Pres Debate II: Long Island Edition

[bigmack]

Let me get this straight - Town-hall format favors BO?

This went well.

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[ArlJim78]

I was reading some highlights from the Obama/McCain townhall debate in 2008. There were some real howlers in there from Obama, such as going line by line through the budget looking for waste, that he's more a budget cutter than a big spender, that his plan would create 5 million green jobs, etc. Of course this was back in the day when everyone was enthralled by his "brilliance". I sure hope he rambles on like that tonight pulling stuff out of his ass. McCain was such a weak candidate, didn't hit back effectively at all.

[PaceAdvantage]

I should be at this thing...it's right around the corner from me, relatively speaking...oh well...

Here's the way I see this playing out.

Obama was SO BAD in the last debate, that he is a virtual LOCK to be better this time around.

If Obama is even slightly better this time around than last time (and it's a LOCK that he will be), he will be deemed the victor in the debate. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The mainstream media, initially anyway, had a very hard time declaring the obvious in the first debate, but after a few days, even they couldn't deny what a mess that first debate was for Obama.

Therefore, since it's a LOCK he will be better in round 2, it is also a LOCK that Obama will be declared the winner, or at the very least, a tie, which will count as a win for the Dems.

That's how I see it...I would be absolutely shocked if Romney is able to win this debate in the eyes of the media...

[bigmack]

That's how I see it...I would be absolutely shocked if Romney is able to win this debate in the eyes of the media...
How are you viewing a win - By the percentage of tools in the media or who you thought walked away "the victor" ?

[PaceAdvantage]

How are you viewing a win - By the percentage of tools in the media or who you thought walked away "the victor" ?Good question.

It's all entirely subjective, unless it's the odd blowout as round one was a few weeks ago.

I'll know who won, for me, personally...that doesn't mean squat to the rest of the country though...

[bigmack]

I'll know who won, for me, personally...that doesn't mean squat to the rest of the country though...
Just so's we're clear, that's what we're voting on. YOUR OWN VIEW of who won.

That goes for all you honkeys as well.

[FantasticDan]

If Obama is even slightly better this time around than last time (and it's a LOCK that he will be), he will be deemed the victor in the debate. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The mainstream media, initially anyway, had a very hard time declaring the obvious in the first debate, but after a few days, even they couldn't deny what a mess that first debate was for Obama.
Here we go, more preemptive rationalizing and excuses, just IN CASE the Prez doesn't crash and burn :lol:

As for media reality, didn't most people believe that Biden won the VP debate? I mean, other than the PA Whiners Club and Fox News?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-15-2012/democalypse-2012---v-p--debate--battle-for-the-historical-footnote---joe-biden

:p

[bigmack]

didn't most people believe that Biden won the VP debate? I mean, other than the PA Whiners Club and Fox News?
Ahhhh, yeah, I guess you could say he "won."

Women are flocking to Romney in DROVES since that laughable display.

That's WINNING! :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Here we go, more preemptive rationalizing and excuses, just IN CASE the Prez doesn't crash and burn :lol:

As for media reality, didn't most people believe that Biden won the VP debate? I mean, other than the PA Whiners Club and Fox News?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-15-2012/democalypse-2012---v-p--debate--battle-for-the-historical-footnote---joe-biden

:pWhat rationalizing and excuses? You know for a fact that if Obama steps it up even one notch, he'll be declared the winner...by you...and everyone else in the media that has a vested interest in seeing him reelected.

Biden certainly didn't win the debate based on the negative things Democrats had to say about Romney in the wake of the first Prez debate. They accused him of being rude...of interrupting...of not respecting the moderator...these are all things Biden himself did in droves.

So I'm rather surprised that you, being a Democrat, would say that Biden won. Unless of course you're a hypocrite.

[PaceAdvantage]

I see some wise cracks are already voting in the poll...lol

I had to delete the vote and close the poll...I'll try and remember to open it once the debate begins...or until bigmack reminds me...

[lamboguy]

i think he's going to be worse than the first time.

[fast4522]

What I think we will see tonight is clearly two distinct visions of of how to proceed. The winner will receive the ultimate grade by how many people believe in success of that vision articulated. I intend to listen to the debate, to be completely frank I will say I do not intend to vote for a guy who will only deliver economic growth in the 1.5 % range by failed policy's. I do look forward to revisiting this thread after the debate to cast an honest view of how it went.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I expect him to sing.

[bigmack]

.I'll try and remember to open it once the debate begins...
Don't know if you'll be around but let's go end of debate and then keep it open. :confused:

[Let's Roll]

i think he's going to be worse than the first time.I agree, in fact, he's a LOCK to lose this debate.

[bigmack]

When's the last time you've seen a Presidential nominee on a day of a debate, walkin' around, schleppin' his own suit?

I'm tellin' ya, this guy, Ward Cleaver; has potential to do some decent things in 8 fun filled years.

Yes. I'm a glass entirely full, kinda guy.

[LottaKash]

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"If I can't get this done in the first three years, well, then it'll be a one term presidency"....BO 2008 (paraphrased)

[Greyfox]

If Obama is even slightly better this time around than last time (and it's a LOCK that he will be), he will be deemed the victor in the debate. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The mainstream media, initially anyway, had a very hard time declaring the obvious in the first debate, .

I think that you're right about this.

Any improvement at all in Obama's performance over the last debate will be scored as a win.

In fact the reports by MSM may have already been written and waiting to be filed.
There's a hospitality tent providing free beer for the reporters and a few wobbly pop may detract them from writing a lot afterwards.


http://politicker.com/2012/10/reporters-preparing-to-cover-debate-by-drinking-free-beer/
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — Some of the reporters covering tonight’s presidential debate at Hofstra University in Long Island may be F.W.I.–filing while intoxicated. Anheuser-Busch is apparently a sponsor of tonight’s rhetorical battle and the beer company has set up a “hospitality tent” outside the media filing center where reporters are being treated to free food, brews and souvenir glasses.

[mostpost]

I should be at this thing...it's right around the corner from me, relatively speaking...oh well...

Here's the way I see this playing out.

Obama was SO BAD in the last debate, that he is a virtual LOCK to be better this time around.

If Obama is even slightly better this time around than last time (and it's a LOCK that he will be), he will be deemed the victor in the debate. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The mainstream media, initially anyway, had a very hard time declaring the obvious in the first debate, but after a few days, even they couldn't deny what a mess that first debate was for Obama.

Therefore, since it's a LOCK he will be better in round 2, it is also a LOCK that Obama will be declared the winner, or at the very least, a tie, which will count as a win for the Dems.

That's how I see it...I would be absolutely shocked if Romney is able to win this debate in the eyes of the media...

Obama can't just win because he exceeds expectations. He has to win because he performed better tonight than Romney does. I said in the other thread that Obama did not lose the first debate, but that was wrong. I should have said Romney did not win it-Obama lost it. Romney made so many statements that were at odds with what he said previously and Obama never challenged him. Obama never challenged him on 47% or on how he would pay for the tax cuts, he never forced Romney to give specifics. If Obama does not step it up this time he is doomed.

[elysiantraveller]

You have to have draw be a option and maybe slightly obama/romney.

[PaceAdvantage]

Obama can't just win because he exceeds expectations. He has to win because he performed better tonight than Romney does. I said in the other thread that Obama did not lose the first debate, but that was wrong. I should have said Romney did not win it-Obama lost it. Romney made so many statements that were at odds with what he said previously and Obama never challenged him. Obama never challenged him on 47% or on how he would pay for the tax cuts, he never forced Romney to give specifics. If Obama does not step it up this time he is doomed.Is this an example of you feeling all "Harlem Globetrotterish?" :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

Obama can't just win because he exceeds expectations. He has to win because he performed better tonight than Romney does. I said in the other thread that Obama did not lose the first debate, but that was wrong. I should have said Romney did not win it-Obama lost it. Romney made so many statements that were at odds with what he said previously and Obama never challenged him. Obama never challenged him on 47% or on how he would pay for the tax cuts, he never forced Romney to give specifics. If Obama does not step it up this time he is doomed.

:eek: :eek: HOLY :eek: :eek: S#$%! :eek: :eek:

I'm proud of you mosty.

I agree if the debates end in draws from here on out I think Romney wins. Of course I have felt fine about Romney's chances for awhile now. Obama needs a "moment."

[bigmack]

I'm proud of you mosty.
BO does more than look at his shoes and mosty claims - HE STEPPED IT UP BIGTIME! Negating his aforementioned, doom.

PostMosty, like all D's, ALWAYS has an out.

[ElKabong]

I was reading some highlights from the Obama/McCain townhall debate in 2008. There were some real howlers in there from Obama

CSPAN replayed it Sunday. Biggest LIE of the town hall was Obama looking a questioner in the eye of a questioner on health care insurance and said>>>

Under my plan, you will have the same Health Insurance coverage that Senator McCain and I have.

My jaw dropped when I heard that. Forgot how much bullshit Obama flung during the campaign.

[ElKabong]

Obama was SO BAD in the last debate, that he is a virtual LOCK to be better this time around.

If Obama is even slightly better this time around than last time (and it's a LOCK that he will be), he will be deemed the victor in the debate. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The mainstream media, initially anyway,

After the VP debate I think it's clear this is exactly what is in the cards. Obama may get bent over, but he'll be better than last time....Two ways to "report" this >> (1) Obama was improved from the first debate, or (2) Obama won the debate

Either way it will look good for Obama in print.

But, these debates aren't important for dems and pubs, it's important for undecided voters. In that vein, Obama has to be very careful IMO, b/c his base is still calling for him to go on the attack. While Dems will cheer, the undecided voters, as few as they may be, are the key to a Romney win....People that were not sold on Obama's 4 yrs, but on the fence with Romney.....If Obama goes overboard like Biden did, that fence goes away....Romney wins

Should be a fun 90 minutes

[bigmack]

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[newtothegame]

"let's get it on"

[Big Russ]

Let the idiocy begin!

[Valuist]

Somebody tell Obama that community colleges are NOT trade schools.

[ElKabong]

Jeremy is telling himself "I'm in for a kick ass job after tonite!!"

[bigmack]

OK, they're throwing leather early.

Nice, blow FINALLY calling out the auto industry accusation.

Q1: ROMNEY

[Tom]

Obama had no clue what he answering for the first question.
He is sounding more lost as he goes on.

[newtothegame]

Jeremy is telling himself "I'm in for a kick ass job after tonite!!"
"give me your number Mr Romney" lol

[ElKabong]

AAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhh

here comes the attack dog! Dems happy, Undecided and Indy's are turned off.

Loving this!!!

Shut up Rom, let Obie step in the dog poo :)

[Tom]

Obivously who Candy would like to sleep with.

Obama is not even close to answering any direct questions - a pure OBamabot tonight. Worse than last time.

[Big Russ]

Our President is looking like a fool.

[ElKabong]

Obama looks ruffled and "forcing" answers w/ emotion....Dumb Ed is gonna love it, the Undecideds are NOT.

Play it Cool, Mitt.

[badcompany]

God, I hate this format.

[Tom]

Screw 10 years from now - we need relief TODAY, idiot.
Sic 'em Mitt - bring up all the billions lost on green no-jobs so far! :lol:

[Tom]

Our President is looking like a fool.

He Is a fool! :lol:

[bigmack]

This is NOT Mr. Oil, Mr. Gas, Mr. Coal ! :lol:

CLASSIC.

[mostpost]

You guys need to watch the same debate I am watching. It's on all the channels.

[badcompany]

Romney is just so much smoother.

[mostpost]

Romney talking about oil production on federal lands, which is not relevant. Oil production is highest in two decades and that is occurring on private lands.

[ElKabong]

"close this plant"

Even when Obie makes points on substance, his style is "too big for the room".

Back n forth, and Obie is hot

Awwesome!

[Tom]

Biden II - go get him, Mitt

[Rookies]

Jeremy is telling himself "I'm in for a kick ass job after tonite!!"

;)

No kidding...

If he was REALLY sharp, that Resume would be in to both parties tomorrow, followed by a personal phone call to both Campaign Chiefs manana.

Kid, it's your 15 minutes in the sun- go get it!

[newtothegame]

toe to toe...!!! lol

[mostpost]

Romney flapping jaws about permits and ignoring production.

[barn32]

Uppercut by Obama; Romney on the ropes...

[badcompany]

You guys need to watch the same debate I am watching. It's on all the channels.

Says the guy who started a thread claiming that Obama won the first debate :lol:

[Tom]

Obama looks looks like a complete jerk- all he has is a big mouth.

$1.86.......huge blow.

[bigmack]

That type of aggression will GREATLY backfire on BO

[newtothegame]

LMFAO...its my turn...that wasnt a question lol

[Big Russ]

They should settle this on a bowling alley.

[ElKabong]

Mitt, stay cool dude. Obie is playing the angry (half) white man, Rom is even keel....if Rom gets ruffled it'll be a win for Baraq

[ElKabong]

LMFAO...its my turn...that wasnt a question lol


When it was Gore >> "it's myyyyyyyyyyyyy turn" LOL

[Tom]

Obama has no clue.....people out of work are not swallowing this line a green BS.

[barn32]

Romney looks like a complete jerk. All he has is a big mouth.

[Valuist]

Romney talking about oil production on federal lands, which is not relevant. Oil production is highest in two decades and that is occurring on private lands.

WTF? Its ALL about public land. Obama has nothing to do with drilling on private land.

[elysiantraveller]

Romney bombing right now...

[badcompany]

Will this fat slob let them talk?

I read on her wiki that she's a vegetarian. Apparently, she thinks a cookie is a vegetable.

[Tom]

Candy is a sap.
It is so obvious she is trying to steer Obama out of trouble.
Not working, though - Obama looks like a Biden-wannabe.

[ElKabong]

poor Candy... her moment of fame is slipping away with this derailed train lol

[bigmack]

BO says - I'm used to being interrupted.

He talked more than Rom last outing.

[mostpost]

Romney interrupting and complaining he is not getting enough time :lol:

[barn32]

Candy lets Romney go past his allotted time. Obviously she's a closet Republican.

[ElKabong]

Romney interrupting and complaining he is not getting enough time :lol:

The CNN clock has Obie having more time on the clock by ~2 minutes after that last exchange (Rom on the clock now)

[Tom]

It is not interrupting when the other guy interrupted YOU first. It is called taking back your time.

[mostpost]

WTF? Its ALL about public land. Obama has nothing to do with drilling on private land.

They don't need permits on private lands? Anyway O said that many permits were going unused so they took them away and are giving them to those who will use them.

[mostpost]

poor Candy... her moment of fame is slipping away with this derailed train lol

Translation: Obama is kicking your guys A$$.

[Tom]

No one is using them.

[sammy the sage]

I'm not watching or listening to THIS joke of a debate...two LIARS telling whoppers...big deal...

the reports/retorts HERE are plenty informative and entertaining :lol:

keep up the good work all... :ThmbUp:

[barn32]

One-two punch by Obama...and then a right cross.

[Tom]

No, it means that is how ridiculous this guy is - he can't look good even with help. :lol:

[mostpost]

Will this fat slob let them talk?

I read on her wiki that she's a vegetarian. Apparently, she thinks a cookie is a vegetable.
Do you feel the same way about Gov. Christie?

[Tom]

One-two punch by Obama...and then a right cross.

That was shadow boxing in his dressing room.

Candy keeps going to Obama for follow up - almost every time.
And Obama keep fumbling.

[barn32]

Obama showing the world he's great at math!

[Valuist]

There's never been a President as ignorant of economics as Obama. Makes even Carter look smart.

[Tom]

Showing the world he is great at lying. His math is backwards..


sketchy deal? - come back with the Obama care bill and Pelosi.....knock this goon out cold.

[Big Russ]

Finally, a Big Bird reference.

[ElKabong]

Romney interrupting and complaining he is not getting enough time :lol:

Time talking so far
Obama 14:56
Romney 12:51

[badcompany]

Do you feel the same way about Gov. Christie?

If Christie claimed to be a Vegetarian, yes. In any event, he needs to lose weight. Happy?

[mostpost]

That was shadow boxing in his dressing room.

Candy keeps going to Obama for follow up - almost every time.
And Obama keep fumbling.Is it lonely there in fantasyland.

[Tom]

Do you feel the same way about Gov. Christie?

But he does his job, and does it well.
He can eat whatever he wants. He is a success.
Candy is a stooge.

[barn32]

Romney is very distinguished looking and a handsome man. He has a very nice tie.

[mostpost]

One-two punch by Obama...and then a right cross.
Float like a butterfly. Sting like a bee. A really big Bee.

[Big Russ]

Time to suck-up to the female vote.

[bigmack]

The foist question from someone without that LONG ISLAND accent.

Next question: Where would you's dump a body?

[Big Russ]

Binders full of women?

[ElKabong]

That was shadow boxing in his dressing room.

Candy keeps going to Obama for follow up - almost every time.
And Obama keep fumbling.

The Obama cheerleader section here is out in force, eh? (that's mosty on the left....)

[Tom]

Yeah, why not a room full of people from all over the country?

[Rookies]

If Christie claimed to be a Vegetarian, yes. In any event, he needs to lose weight. Happy?

Saw him the other night at a Mittens rally.

SCARY big! Has he gained weight since assuming office?

Needs a serious medical intervention or dude won't be around too much longer!

[Tom]

Yeah, he is almost as bloated as Obama's government.

[Tom]

How can that idiot tie contraception into this question?
This will not set well with people of intelligence. The "war on women" is insulting to women who think.

Romney - I will give you a job.
Obama - Here' s a rubber. Go.....yourself! :lol:

[johnhannibalsmith]

This is just hard to watch. The format is terrible, the questions are nothing more than an interruption to these two babbling at one another. Both are trying way too hard to "win" the theater of the debate and neither is saying much worth a shit. I've about had enough of both of them this time around.

[FantasticDan]

Binders full of women?He got the idea from Big
Mack :ThmbUp:

[Big Russ]

Bush's fault.....hahahhahaha

[Tom]

Oh man, Bush is not running, I am!

Dust off this ditz!


Obama whining about time when he is 2 minutes ahead! :lol:

[Big Russ]

Romney is a spy for China? Who knew?

[bigmack]

Yeah, this format bites. Not engaging for anyone.

Stump speech crap.

[barn32]

Point, counter point, uppercut, right jabs. Obama is toying with Romney. Romney looks like a rich fat-cat Republican who just wants to help his buddies.

I'm almost teary-eyed about Obama's performance. It's...magnificent!

[ElKabong]

Oh man, Bush is not running, I am!

Dust off this ditz!


Obama whining about time when he is 2 minutes ahead! :lol:

Make it 3 minutes, now

22:38
19:33

Sheeeyit....,make it 5 minutes now

24:40 (and going on)
19:33

[mostpost]

Point, counter point, uppercut, right jabs. Obama is toying with Romney. Romney looks like a rich fat-cat Republican who just wants to help his buddies.

I'm almost teary-eyed about Obama's performance. It's...magnificent!
It's not that good. It's better. ;)

[barn32]

Make it 3 minutes, now

22:38
19:33Counting minutes and seconds and crying fix!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's a sure sign the guy with the nice tie is losing.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Rookies]

The format sucks alright- for Mittens.

Badly outclassed at the 54 minute mark.

Obama had to up the ante by being agressive, without being angry.

So far- he's succeeded.

[Tom]

Let's play a drinking game.
Every time Obama says Millionaires and billionaires, we all take a drink.
We should all be toasted by 10:30!

[ElKabong]

Counting minutes and seconds and crying fix!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's a sure sign the guy with the nice tie is losing.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Who's crying "fix" ?? The more Baraq talks, the worse he looks :)

[Tom]

Counting minutes and seconds and crying fix!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's a sure sign the guy with the nice tie is losing.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Actually, you might have missed this since you have missed most of reality so far, we are mocking OBAMA for continually whining about getting his fair share of time.

[ElKabong]

The format sucks alright- for Mittens.

Badly outclassed at the 54 minute mark.

Obama had to up the ante by being agressive, without being angry.

So far- he's succeeded.

Obama has the zero EVs of Manitoba locked up. Allsome.

[Tom]

Low blow - Mitt is using the truth against him!:lol:

[Big Russ]

For the first time, I get the feeling that our President is not going to be re-elected.

[newtothegame]

there ya go Mitt, hammer the RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElKabong]

Nice job by Mitt on job creation and the mirage of what's going on now for a non-recovery.

[Tom]

Deport them.

Next question.

[bigmack]

there ya go Mitt, hammer the RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. That stuff cuts through all the crap.

Mitt has been floundering. He's now leveling off.

[barn32]

Romney makes a nice speech and scores some points. I take back what I said about his tie.

[elysiantraveller]

Back to a draw...

[ElKabong]

Illegal immigration - a total non factor for the undecided voters. Mitt, just breeze thru this and let Obie over emote more on this!

[Let's Roll]

For the first time, I get the feeling that our President is not going to be re-elected.
Where you been Big Russ ?

[Tom]

It's not the ones who came through Ellis Island that are the problem, dipstick.

[newtothegame]

Senate and house super majority first two years and didnt do it..........
lmao hit em where it counts mitt...with the TRUTH!

[bigmack]

What are these "gang bangers" BO speaks of? :eek:

[Big Russ]

Been on a 6 month bender. Just ran out of booze.

Where you been Big Russ ?

[Tom]

He totally ignores the fact he had both houses and failed.

[ElKabong]

OBO going on and on on illegal immigration, that +/- line on CNN's s creen is flatlined.......Lotta talk, no points in the bag

[Valuist]

Mr. President check your pension.

Smoke job.

[barn32]

I just noticed something. Obama has big ears.

[ElKabong]

Wwhen Obo tried to break in, the CNN line went down like a rock.

Candy lost control, then tells Romnet to sit down

Obama 30:15
Romney 27:56

[newtothegame]

libya, here we go!!!

[ElKabong]

Libya....this s/b good

[bigmack]

The buck stops.......

[Tom]

Libya.....this will be good.
So far, he has lied about the whole thing.

[ElKabong]

ok Rom, hit him with obama's response of flying west 3 time zones to go to a fund raiser

[Tom]

Undecideds not too bright it appears.....they cannot be buying this line a BS in light of the facts out there. They make no sense with their responses.

They must be tapped directly into mostie! :lol:

[barn32]

I can't quite figure out who has more grey hair. Obama has it all over and Romney's is more focused on the sides.

This is a major concern. A president should have grey hair, but what kind of grey hair?

[bigmack]

Finally, VEGAS!

[ElKabong]

ok Rom, hit him with obama's response of flying west 3 time zones to go to a fund raiser

Zingggggggggggg

[ElKabong]

yeah, THAT's what you do

[Tom]

Now Candy is helping him out with fact checking!

[barn32]

Get'em O. Get'em. Uh-oh, Romney put in his place. Audience applauds. Romney is fumbling badly. Oh my God! This is so....embarrassing.

[ElKabong]

man whatta softball question :confused:

gee, how do we eliminate ak47s

[Valuist]

Get'em O. Get'em. Uh-oh, Romney put in his place. Audience applauds. Romney is fumbling badly. Oh my God! This is so....embarrassing.

As Obama fumbles thru his explanation for lying about Libya? Not sure what you are watching.

[elysiantraveller]

Now Candy is helping him out with fact checking!

That is her job. Romney made a mistake there.

[bigmack]

No guns for mentally ill people?

That's suppression!

[mostpost]

man whatta softball question :confused:

gee, how do we eliminate ak47s

Yeah>. Everybody can't be Edward R. Murrow

[barn32]

Rope a dope.

[ElKabong]

Get'em O. Get'em. Uh-oh, Romney put in his place. Audience applauds. Romney is fumbling badly. Oh my God! This is so....embarrassing.

That was Susan Rice clapping. She went on 5 shows saying it was a demonstration days / weeks after the attack. :cool:

[mostpost]

Is it time to vote that Obama won the debate yet?

[Tom]

That is her job. Romney made a mistake there.

No it is not.
Obama outright lied several times and show did not correct it.
Her job is NOT to add content.

[barn32]

All Obama has to do now is hold him in the clinches and he'll win on points.

[redshift1]

Big change from the first debate.

[newtothegame]

fast and furious jab jab jab

[Tom]

man whatta softball question :confused:

gee, how do we eliminate ak47s

Sell them to Mexico.

[Tom]

All Obama has to do now is hold him in the clinches and he'll win on lies.

ftfy

[horses4courses]

Whose bright idea was it to put a poll on win/loss for this debate?
Oh yeah - thread starter. That explains it.

Here's why it's so ridiculous.
After the first debate, Obama supporters would admit that he lost.
There is no chance in hell that a GOP type will admit defeat in anything when it come to Barack Obama.
You guys have no objectivity or integrity....zero.
You will attempt to lie and cheat and steal your way into the White House.

[mostpost]

fast and furious jab jab jab
Are you referring to the fast and furious that the Inspector General determined neither Holder nor Obama were to blame for

[Tom]

Poor grades in school cause mass killings.
OK, Barry.

[Big Russ]

...and assalt weapons...just couldn't be a complete debate without it...

[newtothegame]

Are you referring to the fast and furious that the Inspector General determined neither Holder nor Obama were to blame for
yep the one which has executive order to prevent any onfo being released on :lol:

[ElKabong]

wow......she tries to end his talk, she lets him keep going

[Tom]

Whose bright idea was it to put a poll on win/loss for this debate?
Oh yeah - thread starter. That explains it.

Here's why it's so ridiculous.
After the first debate, Obama supporters would admit that he lost.
There is no chance in hell that a GOP type will admit defeat in anything when it come to Barack Obama.
You guys have no objectivity or integrity....zero.
You will attempt to lie and cheat and steal your way into the White House.

And you thing the left would answer honestly? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Check out eBay - you need some credibility!

[highnote]

I have only watched bits and pieces of the debate. Romney seems to have won the parts I've watched.

[Big Russ]

can somebody pass me the bourbon please

[Tom]

Big change from the first debate.

Yes, Obama actually answered a couple of questions without looking like an idiot.

See, H4C, I admitted he made some points! No lefties here have done that. :lol:

[mostpost]

I have only watched bits and pieces of the debate. Romney seems to have won the parts I've watched.

That is proof of Horses4Courses theory.

[sandpit]

These questions absolutely suck, but I guess that's the best that the screenwriters could come up with to give to the citizens "chosen" to ask them.

[redshift1]

Whose bright idea was it to put a poll on win/loss for this debate?
Oh yeah - thread starter. That explains it.

Here's why it's so ridiculous.
After the first debate, Obama supporters would admit that he lost.
There is no chance in hell that a GOP type will admit defeat in anything when it come to Barack Obama.
You guys have no objectivity or integrity....zero.
You will attempt to lie and cheat and steal your way into the White House.


Obama seems clearly ahead but what do I know.

[mostpost]

can somebody pass me the bourbon please
None of my business, but drinking does not solve problems and if you are for Romney, you have a big problem.

[bigmack]

You will attempt to lie and cheat and steal your way into the White House.
Let that be the first. Hold the dam. :lol:

[Tom]

That is proof of Horses4Courses theory.

How do you possible come to that conclusion from that post?
Oh, wait, you're mostie - never mind. I understand now.

YOU are exactly the thing he talked about.
I offer as evidence your inane comments about the first debate.

[newtothegame]

Obama has held his own in this debate for sure.....and depending on party you will probably think your guy won.
Point is, Romney held his own, Obama didnt look near as bad in this as in his first.
Romney started slow and came on later...Obama came out swinging (even if sounding like he was all over the place)....
I dont think this debate did anything to change that which was before the debate....

[mostpost]

Yes, Obama actually answered a couple of questions without looking like an idiot.

See, H4C, I admitted he made some points! No lefties here have done that. :lol:
Wrong again. I'm a lefty and I said several times that Obama is making great points.

[horses4courses]

Whether Obama wins this debate, or not, somehow I expect a resounding victory for Romney in this thread's poll.
I'm such a cynic, though. :rolleyes:

[Valuist]

None of my business, but drinking does not solve problems and if you are for Romney, you have a big problem.

Yeah a big problem to solve when he takes his new job in Washington in January.

[Tom]

Well, H4C, that's TWO righties who have given credit to Obama tonight.
Can you please point to anything remotely like that from ANY leftie here?



Waiting........

[bigmack]

BO's ears look wider from behind.

[ElKabong]

Obama> "Candy, those jobs are not coming back"

Needs to be in tv ads in swing states

[ElKabong]

BO's ears look wider from behind.

That's Moochelle's ass you're looking at....

[Tom]

Whether Obama wins this debate, or not, somehow I expect a resounding victory for Romney in this thread's poll.
I'm such a cynic, though. :rolleyes:

There is a reason for that.
The average poster at PA is above average intelligence.

[horses4courses]

Well, H4C, that's TWO righties who have given credit to Obama tonight.
Can you please point to anything remotely like that from ANY leftie here?



Waiting........

I was one of the first to admit that Romney kicked ass in #1.
That's about as much credit as I can bring myself to give the man.

[newtothegame]

OMG he believes in "self reliance" yet the DNC is promoting goverment assistance????? :lol:

[ElKabong]

Obama's going to wind up 4+ minutes more talk time......3rd debate in a row where the admin got more time. No complaint, just fact

[Tom]

Fair shot, fair share, but all he has done in office is fairway.

[Tom]

I was one of the first to admit that Romney kicked ass in #1.
That's about as much credit as I can bring myself to give the man.

Then your accusations here tonight are unfounded, as you yourself are exactly what you accuse us of being. We all pretty much conceded Ryan was not that good......so far, the right is the only side showing any objectivity. Thank you for pointing that out.

[newtothegame]

his grand father fought in WW II ??? if a fact, I didnt know that

[barn32]

Wow, what a debate. It was just great. Romney won obviously, and it looks like I'm going to lose $6000. I won $44,000 in the last election so let's see--after two elections I'll be up $38,000.

Oh well, you can't win em all. On to the next race.

[ElKabong]

Richard Maddow giving Mitt props.....and Obo too obviously but I thought msnbc would be going bonkers

[Tom]

PMSNBC complaining that Romney said the same things he did two week ago.


Duh.

[wisconsin]

PMSNBC complaining that Romney said the same things he did two week ago.


Duh.

Even though Obama said the same things he said 4 years ago :rolleyes:

[ElKabong]

his grand father fought in WW II ??? if a fact, I didnt know that

yeah he was the guy that freed the jews from Auschwitz (oops a campaign gaffe in 2008)

[Big Russ]

None of my business, but drinking does not solve problems and if you are for Romney, you have a big problem.

I'm for whomever will lower my bourbon bill.

[Rookies]

Obama has held his own in this debate for sure.....and depending on party you will probably think your guy won.
Point is, Romney held his own, Obama didnt look near as bad in this as in his first.
Romney started slow and came on later...Obama came out swinging (even if sounding like he was all over the place)....
I dont think this debate did anything to change that which was before the debate....

I agree with your assessment, although Obama outpointed Mittens.

And, there will be an up swing for him, I predict. It may not be as much as Round 1 did for Romney, but should swing Obama into the lead in the majority of swing states outside of N.C.

[ElKabong]

back to cnn, Gergen says Mitt had "two good debates", slight edge today to Obie....said Mitt didn't go backwards

Wwhat want to know is how the undecided voters come out of it with?

[Tom]

And his leg is tingling.

The Tingler......drool is common with him.

[bigmack]

should swing Obama into the lead in the majority of swing states outside of N.C.
:lol:

[wisconsin]

Obama 44 min
Romney 41 min

[horses4courses]

Then your accusations here tonight are unfounded, as you yourself are exactly what you accuse us of being. We all pretty much conceded Ryan was not that good......so far, the right is the only side showing any objectivity. Thank you for pointing that out.

I paid little attention to opinion on the VP debate - here, or anywhere else.
What mattered there for both running mates was that neither screwed up, and that both showed they have what it takes to take over the country, if needed.
The VP debate will be a very distant memory come election day.

[Tom]

The debates are not the issue - the reaction to them is what YOU were talking about.

[highnote]

I thought the debators might start throwing some haymakers during the one testy moment. :D

[wisconsin]

I thought the debators might start throwing some haymakers during the one testy moment. :D

I thought the same thing...

[Tom]

FOX making some good points about the prez alleging he called it a terror attack in the Rose Garden - they why did he go to Vegas and why did he allow Susan Rice to go out and lie all over TV?

Mitt missed a golden opportunity.

[newtothegame]

Thats why I said "toe to toe" earlier......it looked as though they may start swinging lol

[Tom]

Fact checking is coming out that Obama lied a lot.

Oil leases, last year of Bush = 20,000
First three years of OBama = 12,800


That is less, for you left-leaners out there.

[horses4courses]

The debates are not the issue - the reaction to them is what YOU were talking about.
True.
I saw no way tonight that Romney won that debate.
Obama was more aggressive, and scored more points.
However, I realize that few on PA would ever agree with me, short of Romney falling to his knees and kissing the president's boots......

[wisconsin]

Fact checking is coming out that Obama lied a lot.


Business as usual.

[Dahoss9698]

There is a reason for that.
The average poster at PA is above average intelligence.

I was wrong. I was under the impression that it was impossible for you to say something funny, but this post had me laughing out loud.

Thanks!

[ElKabong]

I thought the same thing...

Obama can't defend his record, it's clear he gets angry at anyone that calls him out

The 4th debate...I can't wait!

[Tom]

No question in my mind - I would have destroyed Obama tonight.:cool:
Mitt missed some gaping holes in Obama's replies.

[wisconsin]

True.
I saw no way tonight that Romney won that debate.
Obama was more aggressive, and scored more points.
However, I realize that few on PA would ever agree with me, short of Romney falling to his knees and kissing the president's boots......

And scored more lies, too. Bravo.

[Tom]

I was wrong. I was under the impression that it was impossible for you to say something funny, but this post had me laughing out loud.

Thanks!

It would be higher if not for a few here.
I'll leave it at that.:rolleyes:

[highnote]

Green Party candidates were arrested before the debate.

I think that anyone who manages to get their name on the ballot in all 50 states should be included in the debate. (I am not saying that the Green Party is on all the ballots.)

The debates should not be limited to the two main stream candidates.

Third party candidates are probably more of a threat to Obama than Romney .



HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Police say the Green Party candidates for president and vice president have been arrested at the second presidential debate.

Nassau County, N.Y. police say Jill Stein, the Green presidential nominee, and Cheri Honkala, the vice-presidential nominee, were charged with disorderly conduct as they tried to enter the debate site at Hofstra University.

The Green Party says in a statement that Stein and Honkala were walking with supporters toward the Hofstra campus Tuesday afternoon when they were met by uniformed police officers. Stein and Honkala then held an impromptu press conference in which Stein called the debate a "mockery of democracy."

A third person was later charged with disorderly conduct.

[horses4courses]

And scored more lies, too. Bravo.
He had some leeway tonight - Romney used up his lie quota last time.

[Tom]

True.
I saw no way tonight that Romney won that debate.
Obama was more aggressive, and scored more points.
However, I realize that few on PA would ever agree with me, short of Romney falling to his knees and kissing the president's boots......

You use this as an example of how you are objective? :lol::lol::lol:

[horses4courses]

So far, I all wrong about the poll.
Obama has 40% of the 15 votes.
I was thinking there's no way he gets more than half that.
Wow.....

[Tom]

Bobby Jindal.....Obama told to drink up all the Rad Bull he could find! :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

I'm voting Obama in this poll.

[Tom]

So far, I all wrong about the poll.
Obama has 40% of the 15 votes.
I was thinking there's no way he gets more than half that.
Wow.....

You know some of the righties here had to cross over, fair and balanced lot that we are.

[Rookies]

I was wrong. I was under the impression that it was impossible for you to say something funny, but this post had me laughing out loud.

Thanks!

Tom said the 'AVERAGE' PA member (The average poster at PA is above average intelligence.)

This is true. Some of us raise that avg up; and some lower it! :lol:

[wisconsin]

He had some leeway tonight - Romney used up his lie quota last time.

So you admit Obama is a liar? Just want to clarify, because when you insinuate leeway, it sounds like you accept it.

[bigmack]

I'm voting Obama in this poll.
I knew you would. I would have from the first half.

[horses4courses]

Back to the baseball....Verlander pitching another shutout.
Romney mighta come in for the 9th, but Detroit's already been saved. ;)

[Valuist]

I thought Romney should've crushed Obama much harder on Libya. One big coverup and he didn't dwell enough on the fact the administration lied.

[wisconsin]

I thought Romney should've crushed Obama much harder on Libya. One big coverup and he didn't dwell enough on the fact the administration lied.

Missed a great opportunity here.

[Tom]

Soledad and Candy together.....left and right butt cheeks.

God, these two are pathetic.
How did they ever pick that boob to be a moderator?

Last debate, put a Navy Seal in that role.
I DARE you to go over your time!:D

Pretty sad when the moderator goes on to analysis and further defends the president. She failed miserably - end of story.

It will be obvious to intelligent voters, that is all that matters.

[bigmack]

That is her job. Romney made a mistake there.
Show me where BO said Benghazi was terrorism before leaving for Vegas.

CC was wrong.

[Valuist]

Here we go, more preemptive rationalizing and excuses, just IN CASE the Prez doesn't crash and burn :lol:

As for media reality, didn't most people believe that Biden won the VP debate? I mean, other than the PA Whiners Club and Fox News?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-15-2012/democalypse-2012---v-p--debate--battle-for-the-historical-footnote---joe-biden

:p

If your criteria for "winning" is number of interruptions, then Biden clearly won with 96 interruptions. But on any reasonable scale, all Biden did was prove he's the ass we thought he was.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Obama was probably better in this debate, but not in a very meaningful way. I'm sure that he jazzed up his supporters quite a bit, which isn't totally irrelevant by any means, but this debate was so chock full of campaigning that I can't see anyone who actually tuned in with the hope of making a decision on the merit of the debate being any more the wiser from it. They did get in a bit on immigration, which was probably the only thing that might move someone in direction or the other - but if anybody else was basing a decision on tonight's debate, then they are only interested in performances. Some guy on ABC was saying it was "the best Presidential debate EVER!"... I really can't imagine how that could be the case unless you were just an Obama fan that was uplifted from the doldrums of his last performance. Overall, it was just tedious to listen to and utterly unenlightening, but of the two, Obama performed better most of the night.

[wisconsin]

Focus group of previous Obama voters lambasting Obama on Fox, some guy actually said he was sick of his bullshit right on the air! Classic.

[lamboguy]

my prediction is that the line on this election will fall from -$220-$100 favoring democrats to -$150 favoring democrats.

on the surface it looks like Obama won this debate, but i think he will lose votes after this debate.

[elysiantraveller]

Show me where BO said Benghazi was terrorism before leaving for Vegas.

CC was wrong.

He did call it a "act of terror."

That phrase was used... I know its semantics but its correct semantics..

[redshift1]

Focus group of previous Obama voters lambasting Obama on Fox, some guy actually said he was sick of his bullshit right on the air! Classic.


You mean the Billy Mays product endorsement.

[DRIVEWAY]

my prediction is that the line on this election will fall from -$220-$100 favoring democrats to -$150 favoring democrats.

on the surface it looks like Obama won this debate, but i think he will lose votes after this debate.

You probably right. Obama only slowed the bleeding.

This will be an exciting finish.

[mostpost]

Romney leading Obama 14 to 13 in the poll. On this forum that is a landslide for Obama.

[bigmack]

Look at that poll. And some would have us believe this joint is 98% R's.

[maddog42]

Cnn debate poll is reporting Obama won 46-39.

[lamboguy]

You probably right. Obama only slowed the bleeding.

This will be an exciting finish.naturally Obama won most of the debate but lost on a few key points, he can't get around Libya, and Romney threw Bush under the bus. there are plenty of democrats looking for a reason to vote for Romney and he gave it to them in spades in this debate by stating the differences between him and Bush. that just might have wrapped up the deal.

[johnhannibalsmith]

... he can't get around Libya,...

This was probably the highlight of the night for him. Nevermind the stupid point everyone is stuck on - so typical of what this process has devolved into - about whether he really said "it was terrorism" in the Rose Garden... Obama took responsibility directly. My people, my presidency, my responsibility - probably the best answer of either candidate all night long and for some people this was probably the only thing said that meant anything - the president doesn't want to be "O'Blamer" - he will step up and readily take responsibility. It, in some small way, actually helps his blaming Bush for everything strategy if he seems willing to take some heat on this one and show he realizes that he is capable of f***ing up, even in election season.

[DRIVEWAY]

naturally Obama won most of the debate but lost on a few key points, he can't get around Libya, and Romney threw Bush under the bus. there are plenty of democrats looking for a reason to vote for Romney and he gave it to them in spades in this debate by stating the differences between him and Bush. that just might have wrapped up the deal.

Yesterday Obama throws a Clinton under the bus and today Romney throws a Bush under the bus.

That bus must be in Ohio.:lol:

[Robert Fischer]

only 51.61% Romney ?

Obama must have trounced him :D

[bigmack]

This was probably the highlight of the night for him. Nevermind the stupid point everyone is stuck on - so typical of what this process has devolved into - about whether he really said "it was terrorism" in the Rose Garden... Obama took responsibility directly. My people, my presidency, my responsibility - probably the best answer of either candidate all night long and for some people this was probably the only thing said that meant anything - the president doesn't want to be "O'Blamer" - he will step up and readily take responsibility.
While you & ely downplay the semantics the way it's going to play out is that he was yappin' all over the place, THE UN, LetterMan, 60 Minutos... That it was a va va video.

By NOW accepting responsibility,he's got some s'plainin to do.

It's not just a moment in a debate. He just opened himself up to things like the letter from the Senate.

DID you know about the explosion of the wall, some time BEFORE, the BG attack? If not, SAY WHAT? If so, SAY WHAT?

[ElKabong]

Anybody watching CNN right now? Amazing internals of their poll

Romney is scoring well over 50% plus in each and every subset. "able to handle the economy", "able to reduce the deficit"....on and on. Some as high as 60% +

Romney is scoring big here.

The sample voted Obama as the winner "of the debate" by 46% to 39%......But what they're finding is, the people sampled are saying they believe Romney is the guy that's best suited for the job

That first debate left a mark

[ElKabong]

Cnn debate poll is reporting Obama won 46-39.

The subsets are going to Romney in a big way...flip over to cnn right now

That tells us people thought Obama "won" a debate on style, but when asked who's best to lead the economy back, Romney is slam dunking Barack

This surprises even me

[pandy]

Great debate. Libs will say Obama won and Conservatives will say Romney won. It doesn't matter, Romney got his most important points across about the economy and he'll be the next President, as I predicted a few months ago. The U6 (real) unemployment rate, established by the U.S. Bureau of Labor, is 14.7%. That's all you really need to know. Independents and moderate democrats will show a big shift from Obama to Romney. Obama won 53% of the popular vote in 2008. He's going to lose 10 to 15% of independents, at least 5% moderate democrats, some of the youth vote, and on top of that the turn out on the Republican side is going to be much stronger.

[johnhannibalsmith]

...

By NOW accepting responsibility,he's got some s'plainin to do.

It's not just a moment in a debate. ...

He had two choices to the question posed. Blather Biden style about how "we no know nada" "flawed intelligence" "state department in charge" and continue on with that game OR say "I'm ultimately in charge" and "I am in charge". Neither poses a great scenario which is why being honest from the gitgo is so important, but the answer that he gave tonight is the RIGHT answer and the better of the two options for both the deeply aware (like most of us here) and those that don't pay a lot of attention but are aware of the reputation as "pass the buck Barack" that want something that resembles a leader to actually be the leader.

[bigmack]

The subsets are going to Romney in a big way...flip over to cnn right now
The numbers are wild. The takeaway for most from CNN is that BO won the debate. The internals are devastating. Romney in a romp.

You're right, that first debate left him too bloody.

Like here. I actually almost voted BO. Simply on the merits of who appeared to be the winner with no bias, and transforming myself into a empty chalkboard headed opinion.

It's was BO winning for a long time. But I voted Romski.

Not because I'm a partisan HACK.

Happy to see many voted against their party. Strike a blow to all those that think there's a high-steppin' group think around this section.

[bigmack]

but the answer that he gave tonight is the RIGHT answer and the better of the two options for both the deeply aware (like most of us here) and those that don't pay a lot of attention but are aware of the reputation as "pass the buck Barack" that want something that resembles a leader to actually be the leader.
Kapish. He now stands tall, at long last, on something.

The bad news? That was the easy part. Might be tough to dodge a host of questions in 3 weeks.

It's a stall-job now til No6.

[elysiantraveller]

I knew you would. I would have from the first half.

Call them like I see them.

I don't think this moves the needle much though...

[jdhanover]

I will generally stay out of this fray (you guys do crack me up at times). But I will comment about polling numbers etc.

The 'sub-polls' will always lag the overall. If President Obama 'won' the debate then expect some movement in the next few days in the sub-polls too. But the sub-polls really don't matter....you make one vote on one guy. The overall polls are more telling (and no one poll is that good; you have to look at them in aggregate throwing out the Repub and Dem tilted ones).

In the end the electorate is pretty evenly split.

[bigmack]

Call them like I see them.

I don't think this moves the needle much though...
As do i. As mentioned, I almost gave it to BO.

As for the needle, it's BEEN moving. And it will continue to move in the same direction.