CBS Caves

[ljb]

Well CBS became suspect when they refused to air the controversial show about Reagan. They then recieved pressure for airing an interview with Michael Jackson. Now they have caved in to the right wing pressure by refusing to air an ad by moveon.org during the Super Bowl.
This is the winning ad in Moveon.org's recent contest. While it is anti-Bush, it is not outrageous and just asks a simple question.
I guess in the future we can call CBS Foxlite.

[PaceAdvantage]

What was the question it asked?

[ljb]

Who is going to pay this trillion dollar deficit ?

[Secretariat]

Stopped watching CBS long ago. The right actually beleives Rather is a liberal. If you want to watch actual news, best watch PBS. Probably best news sohw on TV is NOW on PBS with Bill Moyers. On Friday nights in my viewing area.

Gee, talk about free speech in our country, and yet its ok to use free speech to advertise Pepsi, but not to ask a simple question. Now that's a hypocritical television station.

[Steve 'StatMan']

It is free speech, but no one necessarily has to provide anyone else with the means to mass-distribute it.

[Secretariat]

Thanks Steve. That's perfect. In fact Pravda might use the same argument.

[kenwoodallpromos]

They should air the ad! Answer= your children will pay! I have no children!!

[Steve 'StatMan']

Originally posted by Secretariat
In fact Pravda might use the same argument.

Well, in the U.S. there are other T.V. networks and venues. Plus there are print media, etc. You can even pass out flyers if you want to. No one will arrest you for that, unlike the old USSR.

I'd love to write a horse racing sitcom, but no TV network has to agree to put it on the air.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Steve'StatMan'BTW
It is free speech, but no one necessarily has to provide anyone else with the means to mass-distribute it.

Good point. It's nice to see that all sides get a fair shake around here...maybe off topic ain't so bad after all!

CBS is an independent company and can accept or reject any type of advertising it wishes. I'm sure there are other networks who would be pleased to accept the advertising $$$.

[Tom]

1. The Reagan show tried to pawn off lies as historical fact. It was not beneath Showtime to air it.
2. Anyone who call the Ed Bradley interview news is probably drunk or stupid. . It was notning more than a commercial for the upcoming Wacko-Jacko TV special.
3. To call CBS Foxlike is a true compliment....undeserving, but still, a compliment.
4. Perhaps CBS felt that they did not want to put a bunch of politcal one-sided viewpoints on the same stage as their premier sporting/entertainment event. If I were to try to air an ad that said liberal drink teir bathwater, and they refuses, would you still be arging the same side? I think not.

[ljb]

Tom,
First it was/is not a bunch of political one sided viewpoints. It is a 30 second ad that basically asks who is going to pay the deficit. Second they are going to run a Bush ad.
I did not see the Reagan show. Neither did i ever consider it would be factual.
The Michael Jackson interview was just something i mentiond that CBS caught a little heat for. I also think it was a commercial for the` upcoming tv show.
I did not call CBS Fox like, I called them FOXLITE. Of course I was not attempting to make this a compliment. Fox being the most Biased of all networks.
Aside to PA, Yes there are other networks but, this is the most viewed show in the world. And the commercials are usually something the viewers look forward to seeing.

[Tom]

You say tomotto, I say tomato,
Your biased is my truth.
Leave CBS alone...they bring us Survivor, so they are A-OK. :D

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Secretariat
Thanks Steve. That's perfect. In fact Pravda might use the same argument.

You guys love to pull out Pravda whenever you can. Those old communist references are great when Libs can use them in their effort to show how terrible the Repubs are. Yet some of the great liberal linchpins are based on communist-socialist like idea's. Like re-distribution of wealth? Gun control? State Nannyism? LJB and Secretariat...........you can do better than that........btw, Pravda is still in business, I believe they are on the net.

[Secretariat]

As lbj said,

First it was/is not a bunch of political one sided viewpoints. It a 30 second ad that basically asks who is going to pay the deficit. Second they are going to run a Bush ad. Explain how that is not censorship or a prohibition on free speech. Yes, of course, CBS is a private company and can make those decisions, but we would hope that they would show some equity in those decisions. Otherwise, there is certainly the appearance of a conflcit of interest.

As to the Reagan thing, Tom, they're movies, they're fiction, they're not history, but an interpretation of history. Like Oliver Stone's movies, or Patton, or The Jessica Lynch Story which had loads of fictional information in it. They're not historically accurate but theme based pieces to arouse patriotism, injustice, or horror in the watcher. Take a course in Intro to Theater or Cinema. Many of those plays Shakespeare wrote were full of people such as Richard III, but we know historically that Richard III did not commit many of those acts. Personally, I didn't see the movie because I'd rather read a book on Reagan and arrive at my own viewpoints, but caving to conservative pundits to remove it from the airways is as ridiculous as not airing Mel Gibson's Christ movie because it might offend some people's sensibilities. No wonder we have nothing to watch but ridiculous reality shows, and reporters are afraid to ask real probing questions, or they'll be sent to the back of the room.

[ceejay]

Here's a link to the ad.
http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/

[Tom]

So where do they get that trillion dollar deficit belonging to Bush idea from?
Maybe they won't air because it is nonsense.
(I think it is because the kids are ugly!):rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

A few points on this ad.

1. Moveon.org accepts money from foreign countries and governments. At least they have been accused of that. Many of these funds are funneled through other names and interests. But the funds actually are from the governments. MoveOn.org refuses to talk about this. They do accept money from George Soros who is a foreigner who has not hidden his agenda to remove Bush.

2. It is against the law for a candidate to accept money from foreign interests in a Federal Election. The Dems get around this by using Moveon.org as a mouth piece.

3. Moveon.org refuses to reveal completely where all their money comes from. They have been accused of receiving money from Saudi and Muslim interests who have masked their giving to Moveon.org Moveon.org needs to settle this issue to gain any credibility. I have seen these allegations on other web sites and I have heard pundits ask about this.......but no answer from Moveon.org has surfaced. At least I haven't seen it.

4. This ad is just an extension of what the Dems plan to use as a part of their Presidential Election campaign in the coming months. Therefore not technically breaking the law, at least breaking the spirit of the law. The French and French Canadien interests have admitted to giving to Moveon.org I for one don't want the French influencing our next Presidential election with money given to Moveon.org

[ljb]

Jr,
The NRP recieves money from mid eastern interests or at least they have been accused of it. Many of these funds have been filtered through other names and interests but they are actually from the governments. The NRP refuses to talk about this they do accept money from Halliburton and CBS.
Mid eastern connections in Canada have admited giving money to the NRP. The Bush family has close ties with the ruling family in Saudi Arabia, home of most of the terroists from 9/11. This probably explains how the rest of the bin laden family was allowed to leave the country after 9/11 while everybody else was grounded. I have seen these statements on other web pages and heard radio commentators talk about it.
The NRP denies all of this.

[ljb]

Come on Tom your smarter then that.
Bush enters office with a budget surplus, three years later trillion dollar deficit. Just whose deficit is it?

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by ljb
The Bush family has close ties with the ruling family in Saudi Arabia, home of most of the terroists from 9/11. This probably explains how the rest of the bin laden family was allowed to leave the country after 9/11 while everybody else was grounded.

Real funny Ass@#$e. Listen..... I assume you are referring to the National Republican Party? CBS and Halliburton give under the "legal" guidelines.....I assume.....because if they didn't we would have heard about their prosecution. That is completely different than foreigners acting as a PAC through moveon.org

You are inferring that President Bush was in Cahoots with the Bin Laden Family and allowed them to leave the U.S. after 9-11?

Yeah...that's right....that probably happen. you are so full of it.

I don't know why I even discuss this crap with you mealy mouthed piece of shit losers. I try to have a real discussion here and you pull this kind of crap. We're done.........as soon as you run out of pablum to spew from the DNC, you turn to mush.

There are some enjoyable Lefty's on this board. They actually discuss things...but not lately. You guys have run them off. You embarrass them........it really sucks ........

[Tom]

Theses bozos are the party that has Al Sharpton on it's primary ballot. Enough said. ;)

[ljb]

Jr seems to be the one that got in a fuss this time. He uses typical Karl Rove tactics of posting lies and accusations about someone. Then when he is fed a dose of his own medicine he resorts to profanity and name calling.

[ljb]

Tom,
Please stop picking on Al Sharpton, he is funny. You could probably learn a few things from him. (in your comedy routine i mean).

[ljb]

Jr,
Lets see now:
Halliburton gives to RNC.....
Halliburton recieves lucrative no bid contracts in Iraq
Cbs gives to RNC.....
New law allows Cbs to increase their monopolistic control of airwaves....
Cbs refuses to air anti-Bush ads during superbowl

Like Lefty says "connect the dots"

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally posted by ljb
Tom,

I did not call CBS Fox like, I called them FOXLITE. Of course I was not attempting to make this a compliment. Fox being the most Biased of all networks.




This post while coming under the name show me the wire is actually from his son JboyJV. ( sorry 'bout the preface):

In response to fox being the most bias network around ljb, i must say that they are the rightest equivalent of cnn, (communist news network) and i find that as far as biase goes cnn takes the cake. At least foxnews has a liberal perspective such as shows like hannety and combs. For those that don't know combs is the liberal.
As far as this whole debate goes i'm happy that cbs is choosing to exercise its right of free speech, or ads in this case, as all americans should be proud of the steps bush is taking to protect us at home. Right now it is of the utmost importance that we have a strong president who puts america and its people before some abstract concept of a world community.

p.s. the democrats don't have a shot at beating W. Just ask anyone who watched the iowa caucass. I thought dean and gephardt were going to attack each other physically and not just verbally.

[ljb]

Glad to hear from you JboyJV.
We must all keep in mind that the networks/cable news stations are really just in the entertainment business. I believe another gentleman clarified this on another thread.
Combs is not a liberal he is a yes man hired by FOX.
If you want to see some spin from both sides I would reccomend CNN's Crossfire.
In the mean time i will include the link to the ad CBS refuses to air so perhaps you or others could make your own decision as to it's fairness.
Moveon's ad (http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/)

[delayjf]

Halliburton is the main reason that I voted for Bush. I can't tell you how many millions I have made investing in that company. Anybody who didn't see this coming is a fool. My only real problem with Clinton was I couldn't invest in Chinese defense companies while he was in office. I'll have to find a way if Hillary gets elected. :)

[Steve 'StatMan']

I watched that ad. I think it is a good thing theyre not airing it during the SuperBowl. The ad depicts childern the age of 6-8 working factory/adult jobs. I understand that current and esp. future generations will be involved in eventually paying off the debt. However, the add could easily be confused with promoting child labor, or suggesting that child labor will be needed to pay off the debt in a very bleak future.

Nothing specific to either party. If this same ad was aired during a different administration, Repub. or Demo. I'm sure either would get concerned. Since there has always been significan debt, it has been an issue for decades, and isn't going to go away in the near future.

It does need to be addressed. As long as there are enemies of this country that are a threat, we will end up having to spend many millions billions of dollars on national defense. That is a grim reality, and not an option. Yes, we need to be certain that the intelligence is outstanding before taking much costly action.

I didn't check the time for the ad, but I read that a 30 second commercial during the Super Bowl will cost $2.3 Million. Maybe that kind of money is better spent elsewhere. Even toward paying off the debt!

And no, I still don't think CBS is preventing free speech, but we've gone into that already. But I do think their website's swipe against CBS and the Bush Administration, as if they are prohibiting free speech, does not reflect well in their ability to change someone's mind from an opposing view. Despite their very valid point.

[Steve 'StatMan']

On the other hand, look at all the free publicity they're getting because their ad isn't being permitted to run. Plenty of word of mouth and discussions.

[VetScratch]

Originally posted by kenwoodallpromos
They should air the ad! Answer= your children will pay! I have no children!! Such ads don't give the American public credit for much intelligence. What should be pointed out is the current and imminent cost of the national debt. In 2002, when we went into Afghanistan, interest payments on the national debt exceeded the military budget, and the interest was paid out of your tax dollars. With a record 2003 deficit, followed by a $520-billion deficit in 2004, then a promise to gradually cut the annual deficit to $260-billion over the next five year, we won't need to argue about the justification for wars because we won't be able to afford one. :)

Does everyone want to return to rampant inflation and double-digit prime rates? I hope not.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Actually, many commercials, and most TV shows, aren't really geared toward intelligent people. They pretty much cater to the least common denominator.:D

[Steve 'StatMan']

Hmm. Maybe that's why racing isn't on TV more often. Racing is too smart for the TV Public! Uh oh, does that mean we should try to get horse racing on PBS? :confused: :D

[Secretariat]

As a matter of fact, public television was the first to air the Seabiscuit documentary- that's kind of horse racing isn't it, and that was fantastic. Much better than the movie.

[VetScratch]

Originally posted by Steve'StatMan'BTW
Actually, many commercials, and most TV shows, aren't really geared toward intelligent people. They pretty much cater to the least common denominator.:D Here's the ultimate expression of the Bush TV strategy... use Fox programming to dwarf the economic issues in the upcoming campaign: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4100620/

[Steve 'StatMan']

Wow! In that show, I guess everyone really does want to $*#@ the little guy! :D

With that premise, I'll assume that show has nowhere to go but up. Pun partially intended. :D I sure hope there is a happy ending/moral to this one. Otherwise, like in limbo, how low can you go?

[PaceAdvantage]

How long before the game show in "The Running Man" becomes an all too real television show?

[Tom]

Time to do just that.
Personally, I think go ahead and air it. What harm an it do.
Now, a commercial that CAN do some really serious harm is the one by Frontiernet DSL (I don't know if this is regional or national, but it is real bad) It shows a lady talking on the phone, runnig down cable connections and talking about how she is looking forward to having her Frontiernet DSL phone line. In the background, a baby, just old enough to walk but still in plastic pants, is seen holding a cable in his hand and heading towards the wall outlet for the phone lines. Jaws-type music of danger plays and the camera shifts to the mother, who looks horrified, when all of a sudden, the computer screen comes to life and she yells out, "OH my, did junior hook up the DSL?"
Now that is something I think could easily be copied by small children who are often left with a TV as a babysitter and could have a sad outcome. Our local fishwrapper ran an editorial putting down the commercial as dangerous and bad tatste, and I was really amused (?) to find in the same paper, a full page ad showing the baby with the line in his hand heading to the wall outlet. Must be it is not so bad when YOU are getting paid to run it?

[Steve 'StatMan']

The PETA ad, as I understand it, is ridiculous. Georgeous women telling the sexually frustrated pizza delivery man that eating meat can cause impotence.

Thankfully, the world is still heavily populated by offspring of people who eat meat! Some impotence problem! Good thing they didn't tell my parents, or maybe they wouldn't have even bothered to have sex, and therefore have me. Sheesh.

Although I must admit that, after I enjoy a nice, thick, juicy 20 ounce steak with a huge amounts of french fries and dinner rolls, and a 6-pack of Heineken, I really don't feel the urge to have sex for at least a good 15 minutes after leaving the dinner table. :D

[Tom]

Let's review:
The ad was refused as being controversial.
A farting horse was within CBS's acceptable guidlelines.
As was a monkee hitting on a girl.
And an old man mugging an old woman for a potato chip.
And Janet Jackson's boob.
And glass chards in a popcucle.
And a dog biting a guy in the privates.

OK. I guess I get it. :confused: :confused:

IMHO.....the refursed ad was a brilliantly conceived paradoy statement-the kind of stuff that delivers a message that gets attention. No matter I agree with it or not, it was a brilliant commercial. Like the bear in the woods ad Regean used.
If anything in that ad caused people to be uncomfortable, then they really should re-examine thier support of the current adminsitration. I can live wtih that kind of oppositon everyday.