Condition Question

[Charlie]

I have a ? regarding the following condition written for a particular race. It states (all ages N/W $250 P/S L/6 or P/S in 2012 $4500 P/C L/S AE N/W 5 PM LT). I don't know what $4500 P/C L/S means and it's driving me crazy. If anyone can explain this to me, it would definitely be appreciated.

[Ray2000]

I'll guess... :)

P/CL/S = Per Claiming Start but I don't see how the 4500 fits in.

non winners 4500 this year in claimers?

[Charlie]

Ray ... thanks for the explanation on the P/C L/S. I don't understand the $4500 either. The condition is used at Monticello. Maybe I should contact the track. Once again. thanks.

[Ray2000]

I see I missed the space between the C and L so maybe it's 4500P/C.. Last start? ...Back to square 1...:)

[HuggingTheRail]

$4500 pace claiming last start? So if they started in that condition last start, they are eligible even if over the N/W conditions? :confused: :confused:

[Tom]

What track, race?

[Charlie]

Tom ... the race I used was the 6th at Monticello on Sept 24th.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Looking at some of the other entries and conditions from other days and the way the condition is structured, the amount used (ie, $4500, $8000, etc) - it appears that perhaps it opens eligibility up to any runner that ran last time at a lower claiming tier. I see in the entries on a few days that I glanced at that those that run for a price universally are in for a tag that appears just higher than the stipulated amount in the condition.

In TB racing, you often see a graduation of claiming price N/C (not considered) for time dated conditions - like NW1y $5,000 ($4,000 or less N/C) - and some places (well, it used to happen) could write conditions that would make a horse eligible for a Nw1y condition through several wins simply by moving up from the bottom price to the upper price, with the wins for lesser tags not considered for purposes of eligibilty. I think that this is a variation on that idea - if you ran below the current level, you are automatically eligible to compete, the other conditions notwithstanding -- but that's just a guess from someone that hasn't watched much Harness in many years since moving away from Saratoga area. :)

Guess for the actual code (PC / LS) - Price Claiming / Last Start

[HuggingTheRail]

Here at the local harness track, Fraser Downs, they have races for $4000 claimers NW$ xxx but you had to have raced for $4500 or less in your last start. This prevents a higher claimer dropping down and scooping a purse. There is little claiming here, and you would frequently see horses running 6th for $8,000 drop down to $4,000 and scoop the purse w/o a claim.

[Stillriledup]

I'll guess... :)

P/CL/S = Per Claiming Start but I don't see how the 4500 fits in.

non winners 4500 this year in claimers?

Maybe it means Purse/Cap last start and you cant drop from a purse that's higher than 4500 even if you fit the other conditions?

I know some tracks have rules so they can avoid the 'big dropper' who creates a bad betting race.

[titans1127]

Purse cap is correct in this instance

[Charlie]

Stillriledup ... I believe that purse/cap may be correct. Thanks for the clarification as it was truly bugging me. Also, thanks to all for your input.

[Tom]

I think people are testing too much theses days.
Writing condition in code like that and explaining what it means if ridiculous.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Huh, I dismissed that purse cap notion right away just because of where it appears in the condition. You'd expect to see that part of the clause at the beginning (for horses which have started for blah blah AND...) or at the end as a catch-all (AND have not started for blah blah).

So, are the horses that meet eligibility by the last clause (the AE component) not subject to the purse cap criteria?

[Charlie]

By the way, I sent an e.mail to Monticello asking for an explanation of the $4500 P/C L/S and have yet received a response. Somewhat disappointed.

[Charlie]

For those interested, I did receive an explanation from Monticello. $4500 P/C (purse cap) means that any horse which raced with a purse of more than $4500 in its L/S (last start) is not eligible. When a horse is entered with an optional claiming tag, the P/C isn't applicable.