Parx Stakes Races

[Tom]

The Gallant Bob.

Ca't agree with the talk that this running should get this race graded.
Pretty average bunch of allowance horse IMHO.

Trinny - no respect for this horse. As many times as has run blazing races and won, he was run pig pace races and lost. I don't think this is a very talented horse. I think he may have had a couple of lucky races and nothing more. I see no class at all in this one.

Currency Swap - his 15 minutes of fame are over. No pace excuses for his last. Unless there was some trip or something, he was seriously lacking.

I'm not buying into either of these two's top two figs each - the rest of their numbers tell me they they are not much.

I'll take Lukas's horse - Laurie's Rocket. Looks like a developing horse who has not run piss poor races more often than not. Not much of a race, but I like betting against horse like the top two in here.

[menifee]

The Gallant Bob.

Ca't agree with the talk that this running should get this race graded.
Pretty average bunch of allowance horse IMHO.

Trinny - no respect for this horse. As many times as has run blazing races and won, he was run pig pace races and lost. I don't think this is a very talented horse. I think he may have had a couple of lucky races and nothing more. I see no class at all in this one.

Currency Swap - his 15 minutes of fame are over. No pace excuses for his last. Unless there was some trip or something, he was seriously lacking.

I'm not buying into either of these two's top two figs each - the rest of their numbers tell me they they are not much.

I'll take Lukas's horse - Laurie's Rocket. Looks like a developing horse who has not run piss poor races more often than not. Not much of a race, but I like betting against horse like the top two in here.

Agree that the 3yr old sprinters are weak this year. Wouldn't say their allowance horses, but more G3 quality. The two interesting horses for me are Adirondack King and Il Villano. Both have strong workouts, have run well over the track and look pointed to this race.

[Bobzilla]

Agree that the 3yr old sprinters are weak this year. Wouldn't say their allowance horses, but more G3 quality. The two interesting horses for me are Adirondack King and Il Villano. Both have strong workouts, have run well over the track and look pointed to this race.

Agree with you on Adirondack King and Il Villano being the horses of interest in this race.

AK will probably be my play should Servis elect to run him here rather than tomorrow's 8th. AK ran a respectable 3rd in the Southwest behind Secret Circle back in February. He was burdened by pp12 and a subsequent wide trip in the Rebel the following month. I'm not convinced that routing is what he really wants anyway as he didn't really put any kind of dent into the front runners margins in the Jerome and grass probably isn't his game either as seen in the JW Murphy. He did hint at ability in the OP races, however, and I'm left to think that should there be ability then it might be most evident in shorter races. I watched the video of the N3X race at LRL and it didn't appear that Pimental asked for much until the late stages when AK was moving pretty good, in fact on the turn he was content to let others pass him to his inside, so maybe it was just some maintenance work in preparation for today. Goes from pp6 to pp2 under local rider Elliott, gets blinkers, and returns to home track on which he has performed well. I'm sure Servis would like to win this with the son of 2000 Alabama winner Jostle who he also trained. I'll be interested to see if he elects to give today a shot or wait till tomorrow. All this and Trinniberg will probably win anyways but I'm sure not interested in 9:5 with Trinniberg.

[olddaddy]

Cotillion, A million dollar purse and 4 horse field, thats real crap.

[Tom]

I was looking at Il Villano for a bit...maybe I threw him out too fast.......

Ho3w about that My Miss Aurelia?
4 starts last, and what, 2 or 3 this year?

She bounces off that last one and retires....my two cents.

[cj]

Cotillion, A million dollar purse and 4 horse field, thats real crap.

It isn't the first time, and won't be the last.

[raybo]

Race 11, PA Derby G2 3YO 1 1/8m G2

RS black box- FVIV picks, in graded order, bet any of the top 3 at 4/1 or higher post time odds:

4 - Alpha - M/L 1.8/1
3 - Handsome Mike - M/L 20/1
2 - Casual Trick - 8/1

1- Stefanoatsee
8 - Macho Macho
6 - Golden Ticket
7 - Csaba

Scratched: 5 - Junebugred

[Itamaraca]

PA Derby




:4:, Alpha: not a fan of this one but he should be able to handle these today. Golden Ticket got an inside trip when they last met and got the better of it in terms of trips. Today, Alpha breaks inside of that one and should be able to work out the better trip.

:6:, Golden Ticket: last time was the time to have him (and I did :jump: ) Just don't trust this one; especially with Cohen staying on. One could argue that he got 1st run last time out and that a cutback in distance will work to his advantage. But I think the fact that Alpha breaks inside of him today pretty much takes that advantage away. He can't beat Alpha. I'll use him under in exotics but I'm not counting on him for the 2nd spot.

:3:, Handsome Mike: my bomb. Ok efforts in the Haskel and Secretariat. Cutting back and returning to dirt. Could surprise at long odds. Win bet if GT 20:1 and exotics

:8:, Macho Macho: fit and appears to be improving; should get a good trip and has the best chance to beat Alpha.

[wonatthewire1]

Looks like the most interesting late race at PARX

7-Smart Bid
4-Shetan
2-Philly Ace
8-Roadhog

[wonatthewire1]

3rd race might produce a long shot on top
1, 12, 4

[olddaddy]

Il play dd's in the 10th :4: with :1: :8:

[ldiatone]

WOW! 14-1 WELL SPELLED from "out of the clouds". any one have the :6:
in the BOB @ parx

[Tom]

Cotillion, A million dollar purse and 4 horse field, thats real crap.

:25 :50 :114+ and a hockey move turning for home.
And she still loses.....:lol::lol:

[Tee]

Who gets the lead here? Csaba blinkers on could find the lead, at 11/1 might be worth a look.

Blinkers or blindfold? :)

Right idea - wrong horse!!

[Itamaraca]

PA Derby




:4:, Alpha: not a fan of this one but he should be able to handle these today. Golden Ticket got an inside trip when they last met and got the better of it in terms of trips. Today, Alpha breaks inside of that one and should be able to work out the better trip.

:6:, Golden Ticket: last time was the time to have him (and I did :jump: ) Just don't trust this one; especially with Cohen staying on. One could argue that he got 1st run last time out and that a cutback in distance will work to his advantage. But I think the fact that Alpha breaks inside of him today pretty much takes that advantage away. He can't beat Alpha. I'll use him under in exotics but I'm not counting on him for the 2nd spot.

:3:, Handsome Mike: my bomb. Ok efforts in the Haskel and Secretariat. Cutting back and returning to dirt. Could surprise at long odds. Win bet if GT 20:1 and exotics

:8:, Macho Macho: fit and appears to be improving; should get a good trip and has the best chance to beat Alpha.


CRUSHerooo :lol:

[ldiatone]

double WOW # :3: HANDSOME MIKE $40.+! in the PA DERBY/. didn;t see that one, any one else

[ldiatone]

CRUSHerooo :lol:


Oh, and I guess the KIARAN juice was only good for SAR
nice one!

[raybo]

Not bad , huh? Who says black boxes don't work?

[PaceAdvantage]

CRUSHerooo :lol:


Oh, and I guess the KIARAN juice was only good for SARRaybo (the black box) beat you, as he had the :3: listed second, while you had him listed third. But then again, you had the top three in your top four, so I guess it all evens out...nice crush.

Congrats to you both...funny how the "black box" and the "black box hater" both had the winner listed...

[Itamaraca]

Raybo (the black box) beat you, as he had the :3: listed second, while you had him listed third. But then again, you had the top three in your top four, so I guess it all evens out...nice crush.

Congrats to you both...funny how the "black box" and the "black box hater" both had the winner listed...

really? how many numbers did it take for Raybo to hit the tri?

I had 4 horses listed; one of which I only used for 3rd (and stated as much). He had 3 on top and 3 on the bottom, in a 7 horse race.

Moreover, I made a single win bet in the race. He made more.

I'd recalculate, if I were you.

How'd the numbers players do on this one? :lol:

P.S. point me to another RAYBO crush. You know I can come up with multiple betters ones.

[PaceAdvantage]

How'd the numbers players do on this one? :lol:Raybo is a numbers player...he did pretty well...which I thought was funny...that you both hit the big winner despite your different style of play.

And you use numbers in your handicapping...how else do you calculate a fat chart without numbers?

[rgustafson]

I guess it depends on whose numbers you were looking at. Cj's fig for Handsome Mike in the Haskell put him right there with Aipha's wood and Travers " midsummer classic" and the Haskell race was against much better competition because let's face it the east cost based three year olds were not anything special compared to I'll Have Another, Bodie meister, Paynter, and now evidently Handsome Mike.

[raybo]

really? how many numbers did it take for Raybo to hit the tri?

I had 4 horses listed; one of which I only used for 3rd (and stated as much). He had 3 on top and 3 on the bottom, in a 7 horse race.

Moreover, I made a single win bet in the race. He made more.

I'd recalculate, if I were you.

How'd the numbers players do on this one? :lol:

P.S. point me to another RAYBO crush. You know I can come up with multiple betters ones.

Ok, let's not turn this into a pissing contest. RS is a "win" program, not a trifecta program. The program selects up to 3 win contenders and we bet all that meet our minimum post time odds. Obviously if I could only bet one of them, the 19/1 horse would have been the choice, wouldn't you think?Check the archives for other "crushes" I've had if you care to, I didn't post the selections in order to grab bragging rights, but as it turned out -----

By the way, I posted Golden Ticket in his last.

You listed the winner also, congrats!!

[Tom]

Nice hit Raybo!

[raybo]

Nice hit Raybo!

Thanks Tom! Just another day at the office, huh?

[cj]

How'd the numbers players do on this one? :lol:



I had to pull my daughter from college after today, but I'm hoping to get her into the community college for the 2nd semester. She may not mind much after the OU game tonight though.

[raybo]

How'd the numbers players do on this one? :lol:



Guess it depends on what numbers you're using, and how you are using them.

[lamboguy]

I guess it depends on whose numbers you were looking at. Cj's fig for Handsome Mike in the Haskell put him right there with Aipha's wood and Travers " midsummer classic" and the Haskell race was against much better competition because let's face it the east cost based three year olds were not anything special compared to I'll Have Another, Bodie meister, Paynter, and now evidently Handsome Mike.
you hit the nail on the head with that one about the west coast 3 year olds holding the edge this year. it won't happen next year based on the way the Saratoga 2 year olds performed this summer.

in the W.Virginia derby the Peter Eurton horse would have won the race with a little different ride too.

[burnsy]

WOW! 14-1 WELL SPELLED from "out of the clouds". any one have the :6:
in the BOB @ parx
i caught the exacta w/ Trinniberg...Well Spelled's last race was sneaky good against older...but i lost the pick 4 on Handsome Mike. Should of listened to the guys on here that liked Handsome Mike....he was not impossible....that costed me good! the 3 yo sprinters are fine...not great but good. What about these 3 yo routers????? A dead heat and then this. both ran like crap after the Travers and i had Alpha and Macho Macho in the pick! I threw Golden Ticket out, fluke like i thought it might of been or they are this bad....lol...its looking pretty ugly for this crop!

[raybo]

i caught the exacta w/ Trinniberg...Well Spelled's last race was sneaky good against older...but i lost the pick 4 on Handsome Mike. Should of listened to the guys on here that liked Handsome Mike....he was not impossible....that costed me good! the 3 yo sprinters are fine...not great but good. What about these 3 yo routers????? A dead heat and then this. both ran like crap after the Travers and i had Alpha and Macho Macho in the pick! I threw Golden Ticket out, fluke like i thought it might of been or they are this bad....lol...its looking pretty ugly for this crop!

I don't think Golden Ticket was a fluke, I didn't pick him in that race just because of his odds/value, he had the numbers. At least he had the numbers I use. This time he didn't rank as high as in that one, but still got the show.

[Tom]

In the Gallant Bob, a hot paced race, the number one closers was the winner on CJ's late pace numbers.

I didn't have it but, the numbers did.

Sometimes, the numbers are smarter than we are!:D

[thaskalos]

Moreover, I made a single win bet in the race. He made more.



Hey...didn't you specify that Handsome Mike had to be 20-1 before your win bet would be made?

He was only 19-1...

[cj]

Hey...didn't you specify that Handsome Mike had to be 20-1 before your win bet would be made?

He was only 19-1...

I was going to post that, but it was too easy. Tough to believe a guy scored out in a race where the horse he said would win didn't hit the board.

"Alpha: not a fan of this one but he should be able to handle these today. Golden Ticket got an inside trip when they last met and got the better of it in terms of trips. Today, Alpha breaks inside of that one and should be able to work out the better trip. "

I do give props to Raybo since he actually spelled out his betting strategy. No redboard there. To me, that is a "crusharoo".

[RXB]

Hey...didn't you specify that Handsome Mike had to be 20-1 before your win bet would be made?

He was only 19-1...

You're STUPID... :bang: :bang: ONLY I AM SMART, you and all others on here are IDIOTS... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I hit SIX 20/1 SHOTS yesterday and would've had two more except for all of those STUPID CHEATING HERDING JOCKS... :bang:

{And on and on and on...}

[thaskalos]

I was going to post that, but it was too easy. Tough to believe a guy scored out in a race where the horse he said would win didn't hit the board.

"Alpha: not a fan of this one but he should be able to handle these today. Golden Ticket got an inside trip when they last met and got the better of it in terms of trips. Today, Alpha breaks inside of that one and should be able to work out the better trip. "

I do give props to Raybo since he actually spelled out his betting strategy. No redboard there. To me, that is a "crusharoo".

I agree.

The "crusharoo" should go to Raybo...while TFM gets an honorable mention on this one.

[Tom]

To be fair, he is not a numbers guy, so I was going to give him a pass as being "close enough" on the numbers. :lol:

[Tom]

So what was Alpha's problem this time?
Did the torrid pace do him in? :rolleyes:

[raybo]

So what was Alpha's problem this time?
Did the torrid pace do him in? :rolleyes:

Although I'm interested in his response to your question, I (for one), don't really care what his problem might have been. If Alpha had been 4/1 or higher at post time I would have had a bet on him, too. And, if he had won, or lost, I would have still made a profit in the race. :lol:

[Dahoss9698]

So what was Alpha's problem this time?
Did the torrid pace do him in? :rolleyes:

He was coming off wins in the Jim Dandy and Travers, so I'm not sure what the "this time" means.

But obviously, he's not very good and never has been. Nearly every "good" 3 year old we had is either injured or retired and this is what we are left with. Frankly, while I didn't have the winner I welcome races where Alpha is the favorite as it opens up great betting opportunities.

[Tom]

Just meant this race, that's all.
I was wondering if he had a trip or something I missed.
Myself, I never expect more than two good races out of anything anymore.

So, is Handsome Mike the new leader of the division?

[raybo]

Just meant this race, that's all.
I was wondering if he had a trip or something I missed.
Myself, I never expect more than two good races out of anything anymore.

So, is Handsome Mike the new leader of the division?

I don't think there is a "leader of the division", all the horses that could have claimed that title are no longer racing, what else is new, huh.

Next time Handsome Mike runs, he might not grade as well as he did in that one, at least for me anyway. I might not even have him as a win contender.

[Dahoss9698]

Just meant this race, that's all.
I was wondering if he had a trip or something I missed.
Myself, I never expect more than two good races out of anything anymore.

So, is Handsome Mike the new leader of the division?

No, he just stunk. Although I take races at Parx with a grain of salt anyway.

It's either Handsome Mike or Willy Beamin :D

[Tom]

I'm going to settle for some JIM Beamin!

[raybo]

No, he just stunk. Although I take races at Parx with a grain of salt anyway.


Mind explaining that statement? Is it because of the quality of races there? Is it because there are so many higher odds winners there, than other tracks? Is it because you just don't like that track, for some reason or other? Etc., etc..

[Dahoss9698]

Mind explaining that statement? Is it because of the quality of races there? Is it because there are so many higher odds winners there, than other tracks? Is it because you just don't like that track, for some reason or other? Etc., etc..

First and foremost, the track has little concern for bettors and their takeout rates and overall racing show this.

From a performance standpoint, I have just seen a number of horses through the years just not run their "A" race at Parx, while doing it other places. Maybe these horses just didn't like to ship, etc, but the surface seems like one you either handle or not. Not to mention the racing is dreadful and there is a lot of nonsense with trainer move ups, high % trainers and whatnot that I'd rather not get into on the board.

[duncan04]

For all I hear about lower takeout it baffles me that people play Parx. Parx doesnt care about racing, its all about the casino there!! :ThmbDown:

[duncan04]

First and foremost, the track has little concern for bettors and their takeout rates and overall racing show this.

From a performance standpoint, I have just seen a number of horses through the years just not run their "A" race at Parx, while doing it other places. Maybe these horses just didn't like to ship, etc, but the surface seems like one you either handle or not. Not to mention the racing is dreadful and there is a lot of nonsense with trainer move ups, high % trainers and whatnot that I'd rather not get into on the board.


Anyone see this article?

It was the first time the Pennsylvania track had hosted a top-level race and McLaughlin was among several trainers who sought out the Parx Racing management to demand why the dirt was not watered during races.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/horse-racing/horse-racing-trainer-leaves-with-questions

[cj]

I know the track has been very slow the last few weeks heading into the big day.

[raybo]

First and foremost, the track has little concern for bettors and their takeout rates and overall racing show this.

From a performance standpoint, I have just seen a number of horses through the years just not run their "A" race at Parx, while doing it other places. Maybe these horses just didn't like to ship, etc, but the surface seems like one you either handle or not. Not to mention the racing is dreadful and there is a lot of nonsense with trainer move ups, high % trainers and whatnot that I'd rather not get into on the board.

Hmmm - sounds a little like Lone Star park!

[reckless]

On a special local TV broadcast of the three stakes at Parx Racino on Saturday, Dick Jerardi mentioned that the owners of Alpha and Golden Ticket each received a $100,000 appearance fee for coming to the Pa Derby, AND that trainers Ken McPeek and Kairan McLaughlin received $50,000 each for their appearances, as well.

[reckless]

For all I hear about lower takeout it baffles me that people play Parx. Parx doesnt care about racing, its all about the casino there!! :ThmbDown:

Duncan, long before the casino came into being, Parx (ne Phila Park/Keystone/Liberty Bell) and their respective managements didn't care about racing or their customers.