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how cliche
09-11-2012, 11:39 AM
I played in a 300+30 deep stack(12,000)tourney at a local club Saturday. 76 players. Paid out to 7. 30 minute rounds w/extreme level increases made it feel like a turbo. For example, we were down to 9 and the chip leader had 35 big blinds where the short stack had 9. Not a lot of wiggle room for anyone. I had 28.

Chip leader from middle position led out for 3.5x the bb. Folded around to me in the cutoff. I looked down at :10: :10: . I called. Button and blinds folded.

Board comes out :7: :7: :8: rainbow. CL leads out with a large bet, pot sized, 9bb.

You might call it tanking, cuz I took a long time. Typing now what was going through my mind.

My first thought was the most likely hand he had was AK, the 2nd most likely was AQ. Eliminate any 7, also eliminate 88, as he'd check either for value. It's not likely this close to the end & with the chip lead he's raising with :5: :6: or :9: :10: suited. It's possible he leads with :9: :9: . Unlikely he leads with JJ,QQ, KK, AA for the same reason he wouldn't with any 7 or 88. I can't call. I can shove or fold. I thought it might not be smart to come this far just to shove on a read, when I not only could be wrong, but I would be in everest heights of variance if he does turn over AK or AQ. But, I figured if right I'm the 70% favorite and I'd likely be pricing him out.

I decided to do it. I shoved. I was stoked when he didn't snap call. He then also proceeded to tank, but eventually called. He turned over Ace :8: suited diamonds. The very next card was an Ace & I was eliminated in 9th.

lsbets
09-11-2012, 11:19 PM
That's a tough beat. Good shove on your part, but I would have done it preflop.

3.5 x is a large open. If that's his normal raise he's probably a weak player. A strong player would go more like 2.2 at those stack sizes.

Either way, abuse the bubble. With a MP open from a seemingly weak player, reraise all in. You are way ahead of his range with 10s. If he wakes up with JJ-AA, oh well, at least you played to win. What I have found in most of the smaller buy in tourneys is guys aren't calling a shove at bubble time with less than QQ or AKs. Weak players tighten up on the bubble, and that's the time to build a stack to make a deep run. There are a ton of flops you will hate with 10s, and you will be faced with tough decision unless you hit a set.

thaskalos
09-11-2012, 11:49 PM
That's what has soured me on tournaments. You play great to get close to the money...and then one bad beat sends you home empty-handed.

Nothing beats the excitement generated by tournament play, but, from a profit standpoint, give me a cash game anytime.

lsbets
09-12-2012, 12:05 AM
I split it about 50/50 between tournaments and cash. I greatly prefer tournaments - with a start point and a defined end point, they are much more strategic, and most players in tournaments have no clue about overall tournament strategy. Variance is way higher in tournaments, but I enjoy them a lot more. I will say though, that the 2/5 cash game at the Aria in the middle of the day is like printing money.

thaskalos
09-12-2012, 12:11 AM
I split it about 50/50 between tournaments and cash. I greatly prefer tournaments - with a start point and a defined end point, they are much more strategic, and most players in tournaments have no clue about overall tournament strategy. Variance is way higher in tournaments, but I enjoy them a lot more. I will say though, that the 2/5 cash game at the Aria in the middle of the day is like printing money.
Same with the 2-5 at the Elgin Il, casino.

Have played there 6 times over the last 3 weeks...and I am thinking of making it my permanent hangout.

proximity
09-12-2012, 05:57 AM
just returned from a losing 3 day a.c. trip. got crushed at bally's, but rallied somewhat at revel and showboat.

before that i had one bad night-day at a local racino where i just wanted to play for a few hours (lol) after racing. lost with kings 3x vs 10-2 o, q-j o, and a4 s. villians all flopped 2 pair. luckily chopped a pot when i flopped a straight j (10-9) 87 and villian also flopped a straight, but with a flush draw. no diamond coming on the turn or river was the bright spot of the night.

as the sun was coming up i got moved to my last table where i would stay until about 530pm the next afternoon before leaving about $125 short. some crazy action at this table. almost immediately a girl to my left got all in preflop for a little over $100 with a-j and was called by a7. a7 took the lead on the flop, but she rivered a jack. maybe 2 hours later the same girl calls a $30 preflop raise with q-j and immediately pushes all in for about $250 :eek: on a jack high flop. the pre flop raiser, who had about $200 behind, hesitated for a second but then called and flipped over aces but another jack comes on the turn and she wins again. finally she's up to around $700+ and raises aq to $12 and is rereaised to $40 by a guy who has her covered. a-q-x comes on the flop and she immediately goes all in for over $700 :eek: and this time gets felted when the guy snap calls and flips over aces!!

very nice room there at revel, btw, but not a lot of games going when i was there.

how cliche
09-12-2012, 11:28 AM
That's a tough beat. Good shove on your part, but I would have done it preflop.

3.5 x is a large open. If that's his normal raise he's probably a weak player. A strong player would go more like 2.2 at those stack sizes.

Either way, abuse the bubble. With a MP open from a seemingly weak player, reraise all in. You are way ahead of his range with 10s. If he wakes up with JJ-AA, oh well, at least you played to win. What I have found in most of the smaller buy in tourneys is guys aren't calling a shove at bubble time with less than QQ or AKs. Weak players tighten up on the bubble, and that's the time to build a stack to make a deep run. There are a ton of flops you will hate with 10s, and you will be faced with tough decision unless you hit a set.

Everything you wrote is correct, imo.

I need to work on my psychology more than anything. I'm one of those weak players you speak of that gets snug come bubble time, which is contrary to how I get that far at the preliminary tables. It would behoove me to have a more optimistic point of view. I'm often left thinking I'm likely behind, when often I'm not. Your strategy is correct. My mindset prompted the call pre-define his range/shove post weaker play.

lsbets
09-12-2012, 10:38 PM
Everything you wrote is correct, imo.

I need to work on my psychology more than anything. I'm one of those weak players you speak of that gets snug come bubble time, which is contrary to how I get that far at the preliminary tables. It would behoove me to have a more optimistic point of view. I'm often left thinking I'm likely behind, when often I'm not. Your strategy is correct. My mindset prompted the call pre-define his range/shove post weaker play.

Think of it as basic math. If you tighten up near the bubble and end up with a min cash, you cannot cash often enough to turn a profit. But if you accumulate chips at the bubble and go deep you can cash less often and show a profit.

Don't be reckless and shove garbage, but be aggressive and force the other guy to make tough decisions.

If you don't have pokerstove download it. It's free and it's great. Put in a range of hands and see what the ev of your hand is. It can help you get a good feel for a reshoving range near the bubble. If someone is opening 25% of the time, but will only call your shove with a top 10% hand shoving tens is incredibly profitable, even if you will lose more often than not when called. Remember, there is always another tourney the next day.

Hell, I got knocked out of a tourney an hour ago. I opened with 2 black kings and got called by a whale. The flop came kq8 with 2 hearts. I bet, he raised, I shoved, he called with q4 of hearts. Heart on the turn. Oh well, that's poker. I look forward to playing with him again.

proximity
05-07-2013, 01:12 AM
I've been having some tough times away from gambling lately and tried to escape to a.c. for a relaxing vacation last week.

but things started real bad with big losses at the showboat on Thursday night and Friday morning. i took a walk to bally's to clear my head and was having a good session of 2-6 limit when the game got down to four people and broke. there were three open seats in the other 2-6 game and we drew cards for the spots. i drew the low card and got placed on the waiting list. about ten minutes later the bad beat hits on a table about 15 feet away from where i was waiting. everyone in the room gets $775..... except me.:mad:

wiffleball whizz
05-07-2013, 07:23 AM
just returned from a losing 3 day a.c. trip. got crushed at bally's, but rallied somewhat at revel and showboat.

before that i had one bad night-day at a local racino where i just wanted to play for a few hours (lol) after racing. lost with kings 3x vs 10-2 o, q-j o, and a4 s. villians all flopped 2 pair. luckily chopped a pot when i flopped a straight j (10-9) 87 and villian also flopped a straight, but with a flush draw. no diamond coming on the turn or river was the bright spot of the night.

as the sun was coming up i got moved to my last table where i would stay until about 530pm the next afternoon before leaving about $125 short. some crazy action at this table. almost immediately a girl to my left got all in preflop for a little over $100 with a-j and was called by a7. a7 took the lead on the flop, but she rivered a jack. maybe 2 hours later the same girl calls a $30 preflop raise with q-j and immediately pushes all in for about $250 :eek: on a jack high flop. the pre flop raiser, who had about $200 behind, hesitated for a second but then called and flipped over aces but another jack comes on the turn and she wins again. finally she's up to around $700+ and raises aq to $12 and is rereaised to $40 by a guy who has her covered. a-q-x comes on the flop and she immediately goes all in for over $700 :eek: and this time gets felted when the guy snap calls and flips over aces!!

very nice room there at revel, btw, but not a lot of games going when i was there.

And u didn't stop by and say hi to me?????? If you come back down let me know u won't find better 1/2 action then at revel that's for damn sure!!!

wiffleball whizz
05-07-2013, 07:26 AM
I've been having some tough times away from gambling lately and tried to escape to a.c. for a relaxing vacation last week.

but things started real bad with big losses at the showboat on Thursday night and Friday morning. i took a walk to bally's to clear my head and was having a good session of 2-6 limit when the game got down to four people and broke. there were three open seats in the other 2-6 game and we drew cards for the spots. i drew the low card and got placed on the waiting list. about ten minutes later the bad beat hits on a table about 15 feet away from where i was waiting. everyone in the room gets $775..... except me.:mad:

Bad beat was being confirmed around the same time as the race before the oaks.....of course I was at harrahs sitting on a dead table handicapping Abd not playing.....what would I need an extra 775 for....really pisses me off....then get blown out of the oaks derby double I was steaming all night...

proximity
05-08-2013, 03:06 AM
heard paris Hilton was over at harrah's on Saturday. was going to stop by on my way out of town and see if she'd spot me a buy in, but got lost in Absecon instead. fun times!!:)

wiffleball whizz
05-08-2013, 03:21 AM
heard paris Hilton was over at harrah's on Saturday. was going to stop by on my way out of town and see if she'd spot me a buy in, but got lost in Absecon instead. fun times!!:)

She would have if she still owned the Hilton in Ac....

Good thing u are still alive after being lost in ahhb-seeee-khan...

Before I moved down next to ac I used to stay at those filth box hotels....after a bad night gambling now I just think of that....

Im gonna miss ac when I menace here

wiffleball whizz
06-20-2013, 05:09 AM
I've been having some tough times away from gambling lately and tried to escape to a.c. for a relaxing vacation last week.

but things started real bad with big losses at the showboat on Thursday night and Friday morning. i took a walk to bally's to clear my head and was having a good session of 2-6 limit when the game got down to four people and broke. there were three open seats in the other 2-6 game and we drew cards for the spots. i drew the low card and got placed on the waiting list. about ten minutes later the bad beat hits on a table about 15 feet away from where i was waiting. everyone in the room gets $775..... except me.:mad:

Be careful in the 2-6 game....I love limit and started out there but the rake now is unbearable at all 4 Caesars properties....here's the new rake structure(highway robbery)

$1 at 10
$1 at 20
$1 bad beat at 20
$1 at 30
$1 bad beat at 30
$1 at 40
$1 tip

How can you win....costs u $7 to win a pot....

Basically rake is $7 on $40.......can't beat it

proximity
06-24-2013, 03:06 AM
yeah, I don't like what they did there. too many gimics and promotions with caesars properties. regulars glued to their seats the other day trying to hit half hourly drawings, lol.

hopefully things will pick up at revel. heard you're giving like $2 an hour comps?? and the room is so much nicer.

Robert Goren
06-24-2013, 08:36 AM
A moment back to the idea that losing up to steal as you get close the money spot in tourneys. It is one of worst commonly held ideas in poker. The time loosen up is just after every body is in the money. The small stacks are then looking for any way in the world to move up one spot then. they are easy pickings.
In the original hand, he got his just desserts. The idea of taking on the chip leader with a pair of tens is just before the money is nuts. When you are second in chips, you should avoid the chip leader like he has the plague even after you are in the money. Pick on the disparate small stacks.

DigitalDownsJoe
06-25-2013, 05:25 PM
I disagree about not messing with the big stack. You see he is thinking the same thing as you..He doesnt wanna lose most of his chips on one hand. I am the exact opposite. I dont wanna piss my chips away calling shorties with moderate holdings. I would much rather put the pressure on a big stack who doesnt wanna lose most of his chips. You can really get your stack rolling in spots like this...You have postion on the chip leader(your close 2nd) and a shorty goes all in for 8bb and the chip leader who is very loose raises a bit..You shove with a solid hand(hell i like even suited connectors in the spot)He will likely fold and you win the side pot and have a good shot at winning the whole thing. If he calls then you hope he wins. I would say most people would fold less then queens in this spot. If he calls then its time to get lucky and over double your chips and make you a huge mega stack. Give me 2x everyone else in the tournament in chips then ill start knocking the shorties off :)

wiffleball whizz
07-12-2013, 08:12 AM
Bad beat jackpot is 134k at revel....has never been hit since poker room opened....how you win it by losing with 4 10s or better....

Well in a unprecedented move they are gonna make the qualifier aces full of kings

Nj division of gaming enforcement rules state you can't close a poker room without paying the bad bad off....almost like no carryovers on closing day

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

wiffleball whizz
07-13-2013, 05:15 AM
Tourney tell question (cash game also)

My question is being poker is a copycat game there is sometimg that makes me cringe everytime I see it and I bite my tongue cuz I'm not educating people....

I love/can't stand when players wait till its thier turn to look at there cards they do this because if they look early and strong they may show strength....HOWEVER..............

Does it not occur to these morons that when they wait till its there turn to look they got 9 sets of eyes staring at them?!?!?!?!?.....

These people can't be that stupid.....meanwhile also these idiots are actually staring at the flop as the dealers are putting it out....these cards aren't changing people......look around at the table....if you do your homework by expressions you can eliminate about 5 Out of the other 9 people....

Just some food for thought for the forum here that I see working 200 times a night.....

The number 1 tell I've been noticing is players when trying to steal or bluff when they put there chips out they are "following through".....what I mean is they bet say $34 or $60 and when they realease there chips they are looking like they are letting go a bowling ball.....and I don't mean they are acting strong they are literally betting with a "follow through" and almost like a smiling nice guy gesture........don't confuse this with the "strong is weak" "weak is strong" theory as that isn't as strong as it once was.....people are actually doing false tells with these.......

I realize the poker forum here doesn't get a lot of play but maybe we can put some life into this

So next time you are battling on the green felt see if you can use these tells to your advantage......best of luck!!!

tucker6
07-13-2013, 04:30 PM
Tourney tell question (cash game also)

My question is being poker is a copycat game there is sometimg that makes me cringe everytime I see it and I bite my tongue cuz I'm not educating people....

I love/can't stand when players wait till its thier turn to look at there cards they do this because if they look early and strong they may show strength....HOWEVER..............

Does it not occur to these morons that when they wait till its there turn to look they got 9 sets of eyes staring at them?!?!?!?!?.....

These people can't be that stupid.....meanwhile also these idiots are actually staring at the flop as the dealers are putting it out....these cards aren't changing people......look around at the table....if you do your homework by expressions you can eliminate about 5 Out of the other 9 people....

Just some food for thought for the forum here that I see working 200 times a night.....

The number 1 tell I've been noticing is players when trying to steal or bluff when they put there chips out they are "following through".....what I mean is they bet say $34 or $60 and when they realease there chips they are looking like they are letting go a bowling ball.....and I don't mean they are acting strong they are literally betting with a "follow through" and almost like a smiling nice guy gesture........don't confuse this with the "strong is weak" "weak is strong" theory as that isn't as strong as it once was.....people are actually doing false tells with these.......

I realize the poker forum here doesn't get a lot of play but maybe we can put some life into this

So next time you are battling on the green felt see if you can use these tells to your advantage......best of luck!!!
I enjoy poker very much but this forum lacks some pizzazz. I agree with every one of your statements, and got a chuckle out of your bowling ball theory. It made me think back to some of my bets and I've done it a few times. Good advice. Seems I need to standardize my chip release. If the dealer sees it, the above average player does as well.

wiffleball whizz
07-13-2013, 06:07 PM
I enjoy poker very much but this forum lacks some pizzazz. I agree with every one of your statements, and got a chuckle out of your bowling ball theory. It made me think back to some of my bets and I've done it a few times. Good advice. Seems I need to standardize my chip release. If the dealer sees it, the above average player does as well.

Hahahaha yes the following through theory is the most deadly one I've been picking up on........OR along the same lines the finger flick....say you bet $65 with 13 red chips u take you index finger and flick the 1 stack of $25 to show that there are 5 chips in the stack Hahahahaha.....just proves the theory that players don't move a muscle when they are strong to give off any kind of info....

Nothing more I like then trying to help horseplayers here be able to pound these filth poker players into the ground!!!!!!

I know of a few poker players on this forum hope we can get some more chatter going on!!!!

And for the record I 100 percent don't use pot odd theorys....there can be 1000 in the pot and it's only 15 to call if I think I'm beat im not paying off....nothing I laugh at more is when you need JK for the nut straight and the bozo calling $90 says as he's making the call I know u got KJ......because you are saying what the guy has and paying off your the dummy!!!!!!

Some of these players make me laugh

thaskalos
07-14-2013, 04:43 AM
Hahahaha yes the following through theory is the most deadly one I've been picking up on........OR along the same lines the finger flick....say you bet $65 with 13 red chips u take you index finger and flick the 1 stack of $25 to show that there are 5 chips in the stack Hahahahaha.....just proves the theory that players don't move a muscle when they are strong to give off any kind of info....

Nothing more I like then trying to help horseplayers here be able to pound these filth poker players into the ground!!!!!!

I know of a few poker players on this forum hope we can get some more chatter going on!!!!

And for the record I 100 percent don't use pot odd theorys....there can be 1000 in the pot and it's only 15 to call if I think I'm beat im not paying off....nothing I laugh at more is when you need JK for the nut straight and the bozo calling $90 says as he's making the call I know u got KJ......because you are saying what the guy has and paying off your the dummy!!!!!!

Some of these players make me laugh

I know that you are exaggerating, Whizz. You have called the hand down to the river...and now you won't call a $15 bet in a $1,000 pot? If the pot grew to $1,000...then it's a sure thing that you called a much bigger bet than $15 on the turn. Where is the sense in that? You'll call, say, a $150 bet on the turn...but you'll fold to a $15 bet on the river? :D

But I really want to comment on the last part of your final sentence. Those guys who call a river bet while announcing that they know their opponent has them beat are just playing games with themselves, so they could feel better in the event that they really are beat. They'll lose the hand...but they'll take pride in the fact that they made the right "read". Anything to salvage some self respect. They don't really "know" that they are beat; they are afraid that they MIGHT be beat. So, what they'll usually do is announce that their opponent has the hand that they fear the most.

thaskalos
07-14-2013, 04:55 AM
I too would love to see this poker forum generate some interest...but that's kind of hard to do with our government's current stance against the online game.

I enjoy playing -- and talking about -- poker very much.

wiffleball whizz
07-14-2013, 04:59 AM
I know that you are exaggerating, Whizz. You have called the hand down to the river...and now you won't call a $15 bet in a $1,000 pot? If the pot grew to $1,000...then it's a sure thing that you called a much bigger bet than $15 on the turn. Where is the sense in that? You'll call, say, a $150 bet on the turn...but you'll fold to a $15 bet on the river? :D

But I really want to comment on the last part of your final sentence. Those guys who call a river bet while announcing that they know their opponent has them beat are just playing games with themselves, so they could feel better in the event that they really are beat. They'll lose the hand...but they'll take pride in the fact that they made the right "read". Anything to salvage some self respect. They don't really "know" that they are beat; they are afraid that they MIGHT be beat. So, what they'll usually do is announce that their opponent has the hand that they fear the most.

Yes thaskalos I maybe should have said if the pot was 1000 and it was 150 to call......I guess what I meant was if the radar goes off I'm beat I'm not scared to Make the big fold......and money in the pot doesn't really affect me....also truth be told its been a long time since I've been hooked up in a massive pot!!!

Also you said they are playing games with themselves....that is so true they just want to make themselves feel better....

We Definitly have to keep this poker section rolling more often...

tucker6
07-14-2013, 08:30 PM
my problem is the lousy player in a $100 game. Basically 7 guys with $100 in the game for the evening. Winner take all. These guys may bet huge on a pair of 7's before the turn or bet heavy with nothing in hopes that a card turns up. No rhyme or reason to their betting strategy, or so it seems. I've learned to let them weed themselves out, as I've found that they can be dangerous to my stack in such a small (friendly) game. I hate being sucked into a hand that I believe has a good chance and then someone springs a $30 bet at a table with a $100 bankroll. If I play and lose, I'm pretty much beat for the evening. How do you guys read the unstable bettor?

_______
07-14-2013, 10:47 PM
my problem is the lousy player in a $100 game. Basically 7 guys with $100 in the game for the evening. Winner take all. These guys may bet huge on a pair of 7's before the turn or bet heavy with nothing in hopes that a card turns up. No rhyme or reason to their betting strategy, or so it seems. I've learned to let them weed themselves out, as I've found that they can be dangerous to my stack in such a small (friendly) game. I hate being sucked into a hand that I believe has a good chance and then someone springs a $30 bet at a table with a $100 bankroll. If I play and lose, I'm pretty much beat for the evening. How do you guys read the unstable bettor?

I'm not sure I understand the problem. If you have a table of loose aggressive players it's an ideal situation to sit back, open with solid cards, maybe trap a little when you have a hand, and enjoy an evening with a better than 1 in 7 chance that you take everything. What more could you want?

On the other hand, I look at 6 players as the point I start loosening up considerably in a single table tournament so if what you're describing is taking place 3 handed then you might be too tight.

It's hard to answer the question without more detail.

I would say that if it's the same 7 players and none of them are ever changing their game, you should be crushing it to the point they stop inviting you.

wiffleball whizz
07-14-2013, 11:17 PM
my problem is the lousy player in a $100 game. Basically 7 guys with $100 in the game for the evening. Winner take all. These guys may bet huge on a pair of 7's before the turn or bet heavy with nothing in hopes that a card turns up. No rhyme or reason to their betting strategy, or so it seems. I've learned to let them weed themselves out, as I've found that they can be dangerous to my stack in such a small (friendly) game. I hate being sucked into a hand that I believe has a good chance and then someone springs a $30 bet at a table with a $100 bankroll. If I play and lose, I'm pretty much beat for the evening. How do you guys read the unstable bettor?

I'm trying to figure out how to deal with the crazy reckless player....my best advice is too you is if this is a no limit game go with the theory "they can't have a good hand everytime" pick your spots...but I understand that once your out your out for the night....I never liked that

When me and the friends used to play we played cash not tourney that way if you got knocked out u didn't have to sit around and watch tv if it's cash you can play all night

For the record I never get the wreck less players money or the drunks money....I can't stand it

thaskalos
07-15-2013, 01:25 AM
my problem is the lousy player in a $100 game. Basically 7 guys with $100 in the game for the evening. Winner take all. These guys may bet huge on a pair of 7's before the turn or bet heavy with nothing in hopes that a card turns up. No rhyme or reason to their betting strategy, or so it seems. I've learned to let them weed themselves out, as I've found that they can be dangerous to my stack in such a small (friendly) game. I hate being sucked into a hand that I believe has a good chance and then someone springs a $30 bet at a table with a $100 bankroll. If I play and lose, I'm pretty much beat for the evening. How do you guys read the unstable bettor?

IMO...the unstable, aggressive player is the most dangerous player at the table...simply because of his unpredictability. He will go all-in preflop with pocket eights in one hand...while smooth calling with pocket aces in the next.

I have found that these types of players thrive in tournament play...because the tournament structure rewards their aggression, while limiting their financial risk to the size of the tournament buy-in.

They usually lack the patience for cash-game play...and will blow buy-in after buy-in when things don't go their way early.

When you find yourself in a cash game against a player like that...sit behind him, and be prepared for a night of high variance...

wiffleball whizz
07-15-2013, 04:03 AM
IMO...the unstable, aggressive player is the most dangerous player at the table...simply because of his unpredictability. He will go all-in preflop with pocket eights in one hand...while smooth calling with pocket aces in the next.

I have found that these types of players thrive in tournament play...because the tournament structure rewards their aggression, while limiting their financial risk to the size of the tournament buy-in.

They usually lack the patience for cash-game play...and will blow buy-in after buy-in when things don't go their way early.

When you find yourself in a cash game against a player like that...sit behind him, and be prepared for a night of high variance...

Thaskalos hit the nail right on the head....never met thaskalos but he really seems like he knows his horses and poker...

As he said a wild unstable player these days is the the absolute most dangerous player there is.....years ago in limit games you wanted this guy around...but in no limit if your a better player then this guy it doesn't do you as much good....

For starters this guy and take your whole stack with 1 swing of the bat....this guy will keep betting and make you fold decent hands....and god forbid the guy gets lucky on you he's gonna send you home early...

Suppose your trying to trap this guy and you flop a set of 3s and he "for once has a hand" then sets your trip 3s to the garbage can....

These players scare the piss outta me in a no limit game....if the game is 20/40 I get the knife and fork out and drool when he's at the table....but in no limit him betting heavy makes it a even playing field....or close to it....the all in/big bet is a huge neutralizer in no limit cards....

The nightmare scenario is poker is a Asian woman who plays in our room(proximity played with this lady) who is ultra aggressive x5 and knows what she is doing......she straddles and bangs it to 30 and steals $28.....she makes gigantic bets but in all the right spots she just plays the game at a level that is over the top....she constantly has the foot on the gas pedal and making the average player have a at best hard decision to make........everytime she makes a big play she makes the other person with what he has left he can't get her off of a hand......and the even more scarier thing is I've been dealing to her now for a year I NEVER know if she has a hand or not.....AND she isn't gonna get her money in bad by making bad calls....she may try and steal and bluff but that's fine but she isn't gonna make a bad call,..

If you can see this lady play she plays an absolute textbook game and she has a graduate degree from Columbia university......you don't want to run into this kind of person in a game and she is the nicest person you ever wanna meet

proximity
07-15-2013, 09:44 PM
I know that you are exaggerating, Whizz. You have called the hand down to the river...and now you won't call a $15 bet in a $1,000 pot? .

reminds me of a hand i was in once at pen w/7-6 suited on the button. i wasn't real deep but it was one of those raised 1-2 racino pots where everyone called. i called and long story short i flopped the top end of an open ended straight draw(5-4-q) and just called (should've just went all in) a turn bet that left me with $9. i said to myself that if i miss the river i'm just gonna take this $9 and go to wendy's. it had been a long day.

anyhow i did miss the river, but the only other player left announced that he'd made a mistake by not looking at my stack and figuring he couldn't bluff me off $9 open folded his 3-2 face up. :D

proximity
07-19-2013, 05:44 AM
Nothing more I like then trying to help horseplayers here be able to pound these filth poker players into the ground!!!!!!


I want to thank you for some of these tips you posted as I was actually successfully able to apply them to my game. was able to turn another card dead night into a nice (and much needed) winning one and silently predicted (without fail) the eventual winner of many contested hands I wasn't in too. :ThmbUp:

RunForTheRoses
07-24-2013, 05:40 PM
Defintely would like to hear more poker stories/bluffs, etc whiff. What do you think are the best games for a small time player, say $300 buy in cash game, $120 or so tourneys in AC?

wiffleball whizz
07-24-2013, 06:00 PM
Defintely would like to hear more poker stories/bluffs, etc whiff. What do you think are the best games for a small time player, say $300 buy in cash game, $120 or so tourneys in AC?

Roses if your in the mid Atlantic area or ac for 300 I good place to play is the tropicana in Atlantic city.....I only say this because revel showboat harrahs Caesars and ballys now offer a 1/2 game with a buy in of 500.....and trop is 300 with terrible play....

I don't suggest playing at borgata because all the poker players with ego play there.....games aren't easy there especially during the week....

My girlfriend was down here for 2 weeks and she likes to play 2/5 so she goes to the borgata and gets her teeth kicked in because she's playing against die hard regs on a tue and weds night....she finally got smart and played 1/2 at revel which is the same buy in as borgata 2/5 with a lot of fish from new York......stay out of borgata at all cost....

I really don't suggest playing at Ceasers ballys harrahs or showboat cuz they rob the players with the extra bad best dollar jackpot...that's a disgrace and hope the poker rooms close from such poor decisions

I got inside word at revel(I would hope sO cuz I work there) that there bad beat is gonna be aces full of kings....and tons of 3 of a kind promotions...they buy in is 500 but not many people buy in from that.....also no matter how much money you bring free rooms are cut and dry....if you play 8 hours between 6:01am and 5:59am you get a free weekday room....10 hours you get a weekend room...also $2 a hour in comp....

Also revel on every last Friday of month has a 10k gaurentee tourney with a buy in of 120 or around that......

Any questions feel free to pm me.....

wiffleball whizz
07-24-2013, 06:11 PM
I want to thank you for some of these tips you posted as I was actually successfully able to apply them to my game. was able to turn another card dead night into a nice (and much needed) winning one and silently predicted (without fail) the eventual winner of many contested hands I wasn't in too. :ThmbUp:

Nice!!!!! Don't know why I didn't see this post till now.....like I said some of these tells aren't 100 percent but they are pretty reliable when applying them the right way

Now im trying to figure out when a player just grabs a handful of chips and puts them down to make a bet what that means.....what I'm starting to gather is that they aren't very strong or weak but prob in the area of having top pair and no kicker.....if they had the nuts they would prob know to the penny how much they wanna bet....

Also one I've been keeping track of is a player that has chips in stacks of 100....or I mean 20 red chip stacks....I'm starting to think when they bet over 100 say 110 or 115 or even 105 they almost all the time have a solid hand because they don't want to "break a 100 stack" if they don't have too....over the last few weeks I've been seeing this more and more.....

And one other one I don't recall saying is the players with card protectors for those here that don't know what they are it's sometimg players put on there cards so the dealer doesn't accidentally take them.....anyway players that use these are almost 100 percent of the time tight close to the vest players....not risk takers and perfect $100 makers.........if your heads up against a card protector player after flop bet $25 if he calls your dead and of he's 50/50 you will take down pot right there!!!!!!

Proximity glad to see you booked a win!!!!

wiffleball whizz
07-26-2013, 06:09 AM
Being I moved from my house outside of AC to my fathers house up in north jersey till I move to md in 2 weeks I've been outside of the poker/ac loop since last Friday......but apparently there is a new thing going on in af poker...

This new trend is going all in and not paying!!!! I kid you not,,..there has been like 6 instances in past week that players were saying call not paying and just walking out and not paying:..

Legally you don't have tO pay....cops can come and if players want to press charges then that can happen but on there own the state police and casino wont press charges on there own...

Crazy crazy crazy

tucker6
07-26-2013, 11:28 AM
This new trend is going all in and not paying!!!! I kid you not,,..there has been like 6 instances in past week that players were saying call not paying and just walking out and not paying:..

Legally you don't have tO pay....cops can come and if players want to press charges then that can happen but on there own the state police and casino wont press charges on there own...

Crazy crazy crazy
trying to understand what you mean here. You can only go all-in to your chip count, and since those chips have been paid for, how does one skip out without paying?? I must be missing something.

wiffleball whizz
07-26-2013, 05:49 PM
trying to understand what you mean here. You can only go all-in to your chip count, and since those chips have been paid for, how does one skip out without paying?? I must be missing something.

Sorry ill try to clarify a little better......Poker is a verbally binding casino game....guy goes all in and the players says call and loses by law there is nothing the casino can do to make you pay....this is why when there is a all in I make all players put money over the betting line.....

The cops can come but the player has to file a complaint....I love when the pit bosses threaten the player with jail.....classic!!!

Also anybody that's plays 1/2 nl please be wary of players that have black chips on table.....in my opinion black chips shouldn't play....can't tell you how many times I see the chips come on and off the game....people wit 100s on table are up to no good

Beachbabe
07-26-2013, 10:12 PM
Sorry ill try to clarify a little better......Poker is a verbally binding casino game....guy goes all in and the players says call and loses by law there is nothing the casino can do to make you pay....this is why when there is a all in I make all players put money over the betting line.....

The cops can come but the player has to file a complaint....I love when the pit bosses threaten the player with jail.....classic!!!

Also anybody that's plays 1/2 nl please be wary of players that have black chips on table.....in my opinion black chips shouldn't play....can't tell you how many times I see the chips come on and off the game....people wit 100s on table are up to no good

I'm with Tucker, here. From what I know, you can only use the chips on the table (which have already been paid for). So if one player goes all in & his stack is, lets say, $1000 , I can call his all in even if my stack is only $500. If there are no other players calling, then the first guy is really only risking $500, because that's the entirety of my stack.
Right ?

tucker6
07-26-2013, 10:21 PM
I'm with Tucker, here. From what I know, you can only use the chips on the table (which have already been paid for). So if one player goes all in & his stack is, lets say, $1000 , I can call his all in even if my stack is only $500. If there are no other players calling, then the first guy is really only risking $500, because that's the entirety of my stack.
Right ?
I'm guessing they play "all in" poker differently in AC than I do with the guys and everywhere else I've played, including Europe. The WSOP uses a similar setup to what we are saying. I'd also say that if people are walking away from tables without repercussion, then it is time for AC to do it the way everyone else does, which is you can only bet to the chips in front of you. No verbal commitment required.

speed
07-26-2013, 10:37 PM
Sounds like he is saying they are announcing call, losing the hand and instead of pushing their chips forward to pay off the bet they are picking up those chips and walking away. Obviously prior to burning and turning the pot needs to be correct.

tucker6
07-26-2013, 10:42 PM
Sounds like he is saying they are announcing call, losing the hand and instead of pushing their chips forward to pay off the bet they are picking up those chips and walking away. Obviously prior to burning and turning the pot needs to be correct.
That sounds like a dealer and/or other player issue to me. Don't allow the hand to continue until the pot is correct. Now if the other player shows his hand before the short guy meets his pot obligation, then the premature flipper deserves to get the shaft. Poker is a game of patience, and those who turn over their cards too soon deserve a lesser payout IMHO.

I should add that poker should be performed honorably, and so anyone making a verbal commitment is making a commitment period. I'd not allow a player back into the casino that did that, nor into my private group. Your word has to be your obligation.

wiffleball whizz
07-27-2013, 02:12 AM
Sounds like he is saying they are announcing call, losing the hand and instead of pushing their chips forward to pay off the bet they are picking up those chips and walking away. Obviously prior to burning and turning the pot needs to be correct.

Thank you speed this is what I was trying to say.....it's becoming a real popular move....here's another move a scumbag pulled last night I thought he was a good egg but he showed true colors last.....

Guy bets 45 the kid I though had good character says "I'll pay you off" the guy throws his hand over the scumbag sees he beat and mucks hand and don't make the call........"I'll pay u off" isn't technically a call but he saved his $45 and know I know he's a Scummer....

Let's keep this thread going guys!!!

proximity
07-27-2013, 03:13 AM
Don't allow the hand to continue until the pot is correct. Now if the other player shows his hand before the short guy meets his pot obligation, then the premature flipper deserves to get the shaft. Poker is a game of patience, and those who turn over their cards too soon deserve a lesser payout IMHO.


idk if the pmf "deserves the shaft," especially in a.c. where tourists should be able to play in a recreational game w/out having to be angleshot by slimey regs, but yes you are correct...... make these clowns put the chips over the line.

I also agree with ww that blacks shouldn't be on the table in 1-2 and greens should definitely be placed forward.

wiffleball whizz
07-27-2013, 03:24 AM
idk if the pmf "deserves the shaft," especially in a.c. where tourists should be able to play in a recreational game w/out having to be angleshot by slimey regs, but yes you are correct...... make these clowns put the chips over the line.

I also agree with ww that blacks shouldn't be on the table in 1-2 and greens should definitely be placed forward.

I've seen more anglesoots involving $100 chips in 1/2 And $500 chips in 2/5 it's a joke.....ANYTIME a player wants blacks i automatically assume he is gonna try and angle shoot with them.....they are just uncalled for to have on the table...

Here's another thing you should watch out for.....any time a player wants to sit in the 9 seat in a 10 handed game or the 8 seat in a 9 handed table there is a reason for it.......the reason is that's the seat where you can get the biggest advantage from....how valuable is it to see the burn card on ever street in holdem? Any dealer that's not great will expose every burn card.....it's nice to know a ace is one of the cards or anything else......

So if your in a game and you see a player asking to move to those seats be careful......he may be trying to get a unfair advantage

proximity
12-09-2013, 09:34 PM
Be careful in the 2-6 game....I love limit and started out there but the rake now is unbearable at all 4 caesspool properties....here's the new rake structure(highway robbery)


went down to caesspool for a 4 day trip and escaped with a humble $21 profit.

card dead most of the time and sometimes facing up to 4 family members at a table. probably shoulda went to harrah's to avoid this.

chopped all in pre with aces.... villain had the other two aces. :rolleyes: and the next day chopped with ace king..... ace-king on the flop.... villain also had ace-king. :rolleyes: chopped the blinds 2x in an hour with aces and then kings.

played no limit, but while looking at a 2-6 table, i came up with an idea that they reverse this game and make it 6-6-4-2. :D

wiffleball whizz
12-09-2013, 10:16 PM
went down to caesspool for a 4 day trip and escaped with a humble $21 profit.

card dead most of the time and sometimes facing up to 4 family members at a table. probably shoulda went to harrah's to avoid this.

chopped all in pre with aces.... villain had the other two aces. :rolleyes: and the next day chopped with ace king..... ace-king on the flop.... villain also had ace-king. :rolleyes: chopped the blinds 2x in an hour with aces and then kings.

played no limit, but while looking at a 2-6 table, i came up with an idea that they reverse this game and make it 6-6-4-2. :D


For the record at live Sunday-thur If u flop quads you win 500 and everybody wins 50......flop a straight flush win 1000 everybody at table 100.......flop a royal win 10k table gets a grand a piece!!!!