Ray Taulbot visits BIG Sandy

[atlasaxis]

SAT 090812

I play selection(s) to win providing it's 3-1 or greater at pt

R3 - 5
R4 - 1
R6 - 5
R8 - 4
R9 - 5, 10
R10 - 6

Good luck to everyone today!

[atlasaxis]

R6 - 5 & 4

[smokinjoe@bp]

been wondering who is ray taulbot, see these threads and i am just curious.

thanks

[atlasaxis]

Hi Joe,

From the ATM website:

RAY TAULBOT, the former managing editor of American Turf Monthly, is recognized as one of the leading pioneers of modern Thoroughbred handicapping. Pace handicapping has been used by professional handicappers for decades because pace ratings tell them something that speed figures and final times can't - which horses will fade, and which can carry on to win. Ray Taulbot's Pace Calculator makes figuring pace ratings easy because it accurately calculates the combined pace, time and speed of any race.

A native of Texas who was born and raised on the famed X.I.T. Ranch, Taulbot used his tenure at ATM to develop and popularize his ground-breaking pace and speed handicapping strategies.

Over three decades of research and writing, Taulbot educated generations of horseplayers on the importance of analyzing beaten lengths, fractional times, track variants, money management and trainer tactics.

Besides his body of work with the magazine, Taulbot authored several books, including "Positive Factor Handicapping", Ways and Means of Winning" and Thoroughbred Horse Racing: Playing For Profit."

Ray Taulbot's articles still appear each month in the pages of AMERICAN TURF MONTHLY. His theories and views are still applicable and many modern handicappers have used Ray Taulbots theories as a basis of their work today.

http://www.americanturf.com/pace/

Mr Taulbot is no longer with us (1969), but his work still lives on in many cappers. I don't use his manual pace calc (which came out I believe in the early 50's) anymore since the software version came out, and I'm simply posting selections based upon the software output under that heading.

Tom

[smokinjoe@bp]

[QUOTE=atlasaxis]Hi Joe,

From the ATM website:

RAY TAULBOT, the former managing editor of American Turf Monthly, is recognized as one of the leading pioneers of modern Thoroughbred handicapping. Pace handicapping has been used by professional handicappers for decades because pace ratings tell them something that speed figures and final times can't - which horses will fade, and which can carry on to win. Ray Taulbot's Pace Calculator makes figuring pace ratings easy because it accurately calculates the combined pace, time and speed of any race.

A native of Texas who was born and raised on the famed X.I.T. Ranch, Taulbot used his tenure at ATM to develop and popularize his ground-breaking pace and speed handicapping strategies.

Over three decades of research and writing, Taulbot educated generations of horseplayers on the importance of analyzing beaten lengths, fractional times, track variants, money management and trainer tactics.

Besides his body of work with the magazine, Taulbot authored several books, including "Positive Factor Handicapping", Ways and Means of Winning" and Thoroughbred Horse Racing: Playing For Profit."

Ray Taulbot's articles still appear each month in the pages of AMERICAN TURF MONTHLY. His theories and views are still applicable and many modern handicappers have used Ray Taulbots theories as a basis of their work today.

http://www.americanturf.com/pace/

Mr Taulbot is no longer with us (1969), but his work still lives on in many cappers. I don't use his manual pace calc (which came out I believe in the early 50's) anymore since the software version came out, and I'm simply posting selections based upon the software output under that heading.

Tom[/QUOTE

thanks for response i appreciate it.

[LAP_520]

Hi ..

thanks for your posted selections today

however, Mr Montalvo is not getting a dime from me after the stunt he pulled at Saratoga....scratching his mount at the gate because he did not want to follow the trainers directions.

Surprised he is still getting mounts.:ThmbDown:

Race # Horse # Horse name new jockey..
10........... 6...... My Man Dan ....Carlos Montalvo

[atlasaxis]

SAT 090812

I play selection(s) to win providing it's 3-1 or greater at pt

R3 - 5
R4 - 1
R6 - 5, 4
R8 - 4
R9 - 5, 10
R10 - 6

Good luck to everyone today!

Today: 8 selections, $16 wagered, $0 returned, 0 winners

[atlasaxis]

SUN 090912

I play selection(s) to win providing it's 3-1 or greater at pt

R8 - 7
R9 - 3

Good luck to everyone today!

[atlasaxis]

WED 091212

I play selection(s) to win providing it's 3-1 or greater at pt

R1 - 4
R3 - 2
R4 - 5
R7 - 11
R8 - 4
R9 - 9

Good luck to everyone today!

[KidCapper]

Good luck on your Belmont plays. Here's to another good run! Cheers!

[atlasaxis]

Good luck on your Belmont plays. Here's to another good run! Cheers!

Thanks KC, getting spanked so far, but the same thing happened at Sar initially! Let's hope today is turnaround day! :)


THURS 091312

Slightly different wagering strategy. I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 3, 1, 4
R2 - 3, 1, 4
R4 - 2, 9, 1
R5 - 7, 6, 1
R6 - 5, 1, 6
R7 - 11, 10, 8
R8 - 2, 5, 11
R9 - 3, 6, 9

Good luck to everyone today!

[atlasaxis]

FRI 091412

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 8, 2, 6
R2 - 4, 6, 2
R3 - 7, 1, 6
R4 - 8, 6, 2
R5 - 4, 1, 5
R6 - 5, 2, 3
R7 - 1, 2-2b, 5
R8 - 8, 3, 5
R9 - 6, 5, 12

Good luck to everyone today!

[atlasaxis]

SAT 091512

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 4, 6, 9


Good luck to everyone today!

[atlasaxis]

R2 - 4, 3, 8
R3 - 9, 6, 3
R4 - 7, 9, 6
R5 - 2, 9, 8
R6 - 3, 9, 8
R7 - 8, 4, 6
R8 - 8, 6. 1
R9 - 2, 6, 3
R10 - 7, 8, 1

Good luck to everyone today!

[Dave Schwartz]

What is "Big Sandy?"

[atlasaxis]

What is "Big Sandy?"

Belmont

[atlasaxis]

SAT 091512

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 4, 6, 9 $18.60
R2 - 4, 3, 8
R3 - 9, 6, 3
R4 - 7, 9, 6
R5 - 2, 9, 8 $12.80
R6 - 3, 9, 8 $17.20
R7 - 8, 4, 6 $10.60
R8 - 8, 6. 1 $28.00
R9 - 2, 6, 3
R10 - 7, 8, 1



Good luck to everyone today!

$40 in, $86.80 back

[reckless]

What is exactly the Ray Taulbot Method?

I know his pace calculator adjusted speed ratings according to the pace of the race. Is that what you do when you handicap and are make your selections?

Thanks atlasaxis.

[atlasaxis]

What is exactly the Ray Taulbot Method?

I know his pace calculator adjusted speed ratings according to the pace of the race. Is that what you do when you handicap and are make your selections?

Thanks atlasaxis.

Hi Reckless,

Yes, I use the software version of the manual pace calc. Here is part of an article written by Doc Howard Sartin:

RAY TAULBOT’S place in handicapping history is secure because he focused NOT on the 2nd call pace and Final Time of the horse itself, but on the 2nd call and final time the horse ran AGAINST. The genius of his Pace Calculator is that with a few movements of your hand it properly analyzes one of horse racing’s few incontrovertible truths:

A WINNING HORSE EITHER SETS OR OVERCOMES THE PACE OF THE RACE IT RUNS AGAINST.

It is this simple yet brilliant concept that many Pace Calculator user’s fail to accept or completely ignore when reading the instruction manual.

NOWHERE in these directions does it EVER mention beaten lengths. It refers to 2nd Call PACE and FINAL TIME of the RACE ITSELF, never the horse. The ability of the HORSE’S PACE and FINAL time is measured against the PACE of THE RACE by the Calculator’s use of the SPEED RATING. This is the key to proper use and the Calculator’s most VITAL Rating.

Taulbot’s definition of Second Call Pace by distance, leaves no room for doubt:

As most of you know, the highlight pace time in a sprint race is the half-mile time, and in a race of a mile or more it is the six-furlong time. So you need these highlight times if you wish to use this latter method, which is the method I always employ in my work.

It should be noted that in today’s improved Racing Form, in ALL Sprint Races through Seven and a half furlongs, the 2nd Call is the Half Mile Time. In Routes from a Mile through a Mile and three-sixteenths, the 2nd Call is the Three Quarter (6 furlong) Time. Don’t let this confuse you when doing races over 7 furlongs or a mile and 3/16ths. Just follow the Taulbot directions as written.

Throughout the Pace Calculator Instruction booklet are guidelines and Angles for selecting contenders. These are guidelines NOT rules. The single most important of those guidelines is THIS:

Consider only the last 3 races in the past performances.

This line alone demonstrates that Taulbot was FAR AHEAD of his time. In my own work, I’ve always suggested using the BEST of the last three lines at a COMPARABLE distance, surface and competition level. Recently, SPORTSTAT, a highly reputable Las Vegas Research Organization did a study proving that using the Best of the LAST THREE races based on the Daily Racing Form Speed Rating PLUS Variant, REGARDLESS of distance, surface or class level, produced only a minus point 04 (-.04) ROI. This figure was FAR better than those coming from the best known Speed Rating with built-in Variant Services, including Beyer, Ragozin and Bloodstock.

While these services did not exist in Taulbot’s day, he was far sighted enough to know that an OBJECTIVE, CONSISTENT means of determining Speed and Variant would remain superior to one made by the ego-driven subjectivity of any individual.

Today the DRF speed rating and variant is based on THREE YEAR BEST times, not record times. This is an improvement that only enhances the viability of Taulbot’s writings.

This is in no way meant to discount the ancillary instructions in the AMER-VAR section for those understanding them and choosing to do so.

In short, the Pace Calculator Instructions tell us to use CALL times, NOT the times of the horse itself, which would include lengths behind. Unfortunately, a lot of people are using the horses own Pace and Final Time. This negates much of the Calculator’s value.

http://www.americanturf.com/pace/sartinarticle.cfm

This is the basis of the Taulbot Methodology and what I use to make my selections.

Hope this helps.
Tom

[reckless]

Tom, thanks a lot.

[atlasaxis]

SUN 091612

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 6, 5, 2
R2 - 1, 2, 6
R3 - 6, 8, 3
R4 - 1, 6, 4
R5 - 12, 8, 2
R6 - 11, 4, 7
R7 - 2, 5, 6
R8 - 10, 8, 11
R9 - 3, 6, 1
R10 - 9, 6, 5

Good luck to everyone today!

[atlasaxis]

Tom, thanks a lot.

You're very welcome reckless. :)

[atlasaxis]

SUN 091612

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 6, 5, 2.......6/2=$16.40; 6/2/5=$75.50
R2 - 1, 2, 6
R3 - 6, 8, 3 $12.80;.....8/3=$146
R4 - 1, 6, 4 NP.....6/1=$12; DD=$37
R5 - 12, 8, 2 $19.20;
R6 - 11, 4, 7 NP.....11/4= $20.40; 11/4/7=$63.50
R7 - 2, 5, 6
R8 - 10, 8, 11
R9 - 3, 6, 1 $9.80; .....1/3=$32.80
R10 - 9, 6, 5 $11.40; .....DD=$56.00; 5/6= $437.50; 5/6/9=$1,826

Good luck to everyone today!

$32.00 in, $53.20 returned

[mabred]

good job!!!

[atlasaxis]

good job!!!

Thnx mabred, I'm trying! :)

[Solid_Gold]

Hi Reckless,

Yes, I use the software version of the manual pace calc. Here is part of an article written by Doc Howard Sartin:

RAY TAULBOT’S place in handicapping history is secure because he focused NOT on the 2nd call pace and Final Time of the horse itself, but on the 2nd call and final time the horse ran AGAINST. The genius of his Pace Calculator is that with a few movements of your hand it properly analyzes one of horse racing’s few incontrovertible truths:

A WINNING HORSE EITHER SETS OR OVERCOMES THE PACE OF THE RACE IT RUNS AGAINST.

It is this simple yet brilliant concept that many Pace Calculator user’s fail to accept or completely ignore when reading the instruction manual.

NOWHERE in these directions does it EVER mention beaten lengths. It refers to 2nd Call PACE and FINAL TIME of the RACE ITSELF, never the horse. The ability of the HORSE’S PACE and FINAL time is measured against the PACE of THE RACE by the Calculator’s use of the SPEED RATING. This is the key to proper use and the Calculator’s most VITAL Rating.

Taulbot’s definition of Second Call Pace by distance, leaves no room for doubt:

As most of you know, the highlight pace time in a sprint race is the half-mile time, and in a race of a mile or more it is the six-furlong time. So you need these highlight times if you wish to use this latter method, which is the method I always employ in my work.

It should be noted that in today’s improved Racing Form, in ALL Sprint Races through Seven and a half furlongs, the 2nd Call is the Half Mile Time. In Routes from a Mile through a Mile and three-sixteenths, the 2nd Call is the Three Quarter (6 furlong) Time. Don’t let this confuse you when doing races over 7 furlongs or a mile and 3/16ths. Just follow the Taulbot directions as written.

Throughout the Pace Calculator Instruction booklet are guidelines and Angles for selecting contenders. These are guidelines NOT rules. The single most important of those guidelines is THIS:

Consider only the last 3 races in the past performances.

This line alone demonstrates that Taulbot was FAR AHEAD of his time. In my own work, I’ve always suggested using the BEST of the last three lines at a COMPARABLE distance, surface and competition level. Recently, SPORTSTAT, a highly reputable Las Vegas Research Organization did a study proving that using the Best of the LAST THREE races based on the Daily Racing Form Speed Rating PLUS Variant, REGARDLESS of distance, surface or class level, produced only a minus point 04 (-.04) ROI. This figure was FAR better than those coming from the best known Speed Rating with built-in Variant Services, including Beyer, Ragozin and Bloodstock.

While these services did not exist in Taulbot’s day, he was far sighted enough to know that an OBJECTIVE, CONSISTENT means of determining Speed and Variant would remain superior to one made by the ego-driven subjectivity of any individual.

Today the DRF speed rating and variant is based on THREE YEAR BEST times, not record times. This is an improvement that only enhances the viability of Taulbot’s writings.

This is in no way meant to discount the ancillary instructions in the AMER-VAR section for those understanding them and choosing to do so.

In short, the Pace Calculator Instructions tell us to use CALL times, NOT the times of the horse itself, which would include lengths behind. Unfortunately, a lot of people are using the horses own Pace and Final Time. This negates much of the Calculator’s value.

http://www.americanturf.com/pace/sartinarticle.cfm

This is the basis of the Taulbot Methodology and what I use to make my selections.

Hope this helps.
Tom

Wow Atlas, I tried to use the plastic version back in the late 70's/early 80's. From your explanation, I was using it wrong and finally discarded it.

[Sly7449]

Horses race down the stretch on Belmont Park's main track, nicknamed "Big Sandy" by owners, trainers, jockeys and fans. The main track is the longest dirt racecourse in North American thoroughbred racing — at 11⁄2 miles (2.4 km).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Park

[atlasaxis]

Horses race down the stretch on Belmont Park's main track, nicknamed "Big Sandy" by owners, trainers, jockeys and fans. The main track is the longest dirt racecourse in North American thoroughbred racing — at 11⁄2 miles (2.4 km).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Park

Thank you Sly! :ThmbUp:

[atlasaxis]

WED 091912

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt and in a 60-40 proportion with 60% going to the LONGER odds. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R2 - 8, 5, 7
R3 - 1, 5, 2
R4 - 7, 1, 5
R5 - 13, 15, 12
R6 - 11, 9, 4
R7 - 9, 5, 2
R8 - 7, 3, 6
R9 - 14, 1, 6

Good luck to everyone today!

[marksinger]

Are these Belmont picks for today?

[atlasaxis]

Are these Belmont picks for today?

Yes Mark, this thread is for Belmont only.


FRI 092112

I will be playing the two longest odds horses to win providing they are both 3-1 or greater at pt and in a 60-40 proportion with 60% going to the LONGER odds. If neither of the longest 2 are 3-1 or greater, no play.

R1 - 10, 1, 6
R2 - 3, 5, 4
R3 - 3, 1a, 2
R4 - 7, 1, 2
R5 - 8, 3, 1a
R6 - 10, 8, 3
R7 - 3, 1, 5
R8 - 6, 3, 1
R9 - 9, 1a, 6

Good luck to everyone today!