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so.cal.fan
09-05-2012, 10:19 AM
Road Map to the “Are You Better Off Now Vs. 4 Years Ago” Debate


By Elizabeth MacDonald

Emac's Bottom Line

Published September 04, 2012

FOXBusiness




The same question Ronald Reagan unforgettably asked Jimmy Carter in a 1980 presidential debate is being asked by Republican candidate Mitt Romney today: “Are you better off today than you were four years ago?”

What are the numbers you should keep in your hip pocket going forward? See the numbers at the bottom -- they show this is more like the “are you better off” debate versus “it could’ve been worse recovery.”

But before that, forget the fake “Bush recession” talk, and talk of the President “inheriting” this economic downturn.

The Democrats have been setting economic policy for decades, and controlled both houses of Congress in the last two years of President George W. Bush’s term. Powerful Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, and John Kerry have been around since the Reagan Administration -- and vice president Joe Biden has been in elected office since the Nixon White House.

Both sides are to blame for ramping up the deficit to now $16 trillion. President George W. Bush supported a $170 billion “stimulus” bill, as well as spending billions in taxpayer money on massive government bail-outs of banks and Wall Street houses, automakers like GM, as well as efforts to revivify the housing industry.

President Obama picked up on those moves, while larding on his own $825 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in early 2009.

Another question worth asking now is this: Should the President have focused like a laser beam on jobs and housing, and not health reform? Here are the numbers to hold on to as the “are you better off?” debate rolls forward (the data come from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Dept. of Labor, Treasury Dept., Federal Reserve, and the Dept. of Commerce).

Yes, Better Off Vs. 4 Years Ago:
*GDP up annualized 1.7% so far this year -- but this has been a recovery of downward revisions, historically flat compared to prior recoveries. This one is being called the worst performance in the 11 recessions over the past 60 years.
*Corporate profits up 63% since President Obama was inaugurated
*The Dow is up 57%. The S&P 500 is up 65%. And the Nasdaq Composite is up 99%.
*Core inflation is tame

And now, the negatives (this is before the $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to take effect in January 2013 -- with the Federal Reserve scrambling to put its cushion of printed money at the bottom of this fiscal cliff).

No, Not Better Off Vs. 4 Years Ago:
*$16 trillion deficit - government spending has rocketed to more than 25% of GDP from 21.4%, the largest peacetime expansion of government spending in U.S. history.
*Federal Reserve’s balance sheet has more than tripled.
*Net 316,000 jobs lost – truly a jobless recovery *8.3% jobless rate - 42 months of 8%-plus unemployment versus 6.1% in August 2008, and unemployment below 5% in 2007
*Proportion of the labor force employed now at a 30-year low
*39% drop in median net worth to $77,300 in 2010 from $126,400 (latest data available from the Federal Reserve)
*8% drop in average annual income
*Nearly on-third of mortgages are underwater
*1.5 million homes in or nearing foreclosure
*$2.5 trillion in cash held captive on corporate balance sheets, as execs keep power dry watching D.C.
*US multinational companies increased employment overseas by 2.4 million from 2000 to 2009, even as they cut US workforce by 2.9 million.

On top of all this, since 1999, student loan debt has increased by 511%, while disposable income has increased by only 73%.


Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2012/09/04/road-map-to-are-better-off-now-vs-4-years-ago-debate/#ixzz25bZHYCug

thaskalos
09-05-2012, 11:11 AM
The same question Ronald Reagan unforgettably asked Jimmy Carter in a 1980 presidential debate is being asked by Republican candidate Mitt Romney today: “Are you better off today than you were four years ago?”



It's funny that Romney should be asking voters this question...because it seems that the only people who are better off now than they were 4 years ago, are people like Mitt Romney. :)

ElKabong
09-05-2012, 11:26 AM
It's funny that Romney should be asking voters this question...because it seems that the only people who are better off now than they were 4 years ago, are people like Mitt Romney. :)

You left out government workers, and Solar Power executives that take money from this administration and run.

ElKabong
09-05-2012, 11:31 AM
Back to the original post, makes excellent points. Both partys are to blame. I wish all could see that.

NAFTA and the repeal of Glass Steagal are good examples. Signed off and pimped by Clinton, and the repubs pimped them with equal glee. Both actions have a negative impact we feel today

If Obama had taken the stance of a leader and not a politician, he wouldn't have to revert to negative campaigning. He could have learned at least that much from Reagan.

so.cal.fan
09-05-2012, 02:36 PM
Thanks for reminding us about the repeal of Glass-Steagal, El K.

That was a very bad thing. We are paying dearly for it.

Valuist
09-05-2012, 04:22 PM
Thanks for reminding us about the repeal of Glass-Steagal, El K.

That was a very bad thing. We are paying dearly for it.

Yeah and Obama said he'd punish the banks and all the Dodd-Frank stuff did was cause banks to pass along additional charges to customers. Too big to fail still exists. Until Glass-Steagal is back, we will still have to big to fail for our banks.

PhantomOnTour
09-05-2012, 05:31 PM
Back to the original post, makes excellent points. Both partys are to blame. I wish all could see that.
NAFTA and the repeal of Glass Steagal are good examples. Signed off and pimped by Clinton, and the repubs pimped them with equal glee. Both actions have a negative impact we feel today

If Obama had taken the stance of a leader and not a politician, he wouldn't have to revert to negative campaigning. He could have learned at least that much from Reagan.
Yes !!
they are both despicable, period.

Hell, i am thinking of running for president under the name of Satan, and my motto will be, "Why choose the lesser evil?"

Dave Schwartz
09-05-2012, 05:47 PM
Personally, I do not see this as the question to be addressed, although I can certainly see its validity in the minds of many.

The question is/should be: "Who is the better person to lead our country for the next 4 years?"

(Note that I did not ask, "Who is the BEST person?" because I doubt that it is either of the two candidates.)

acorn54
09-05-2012, 06:39 PM
personally i will not be affected by what happens in the election
i got through all the "recessions", in my lifetime with the same standard of living.
i work in the food industry and unless people stop eating i'll be in good shape.

GameTheory
09-05-2012, 06:47 PM
Hell, i am thinking of running for president under the name of Satan, and my motto will be, "Why choose the lesser evil?"That's awesome.

Tom
09-05-2012, 11:28 PM
I'm down with it!
Go POT.......

ElKabong
09-06-2012, 02:25 AM
I'm down with it!
Go POT.......

See there. Red's the color of a winner.....(POTs campaign slogan...Get your HORNS up!) ;)