2016 THE MOVIE

[dartman51]

Has anyone seen it? If you have, what is your take on it? :ThmbUp:

[Actor]

Has anyone seen it? If you have, what is your take on it? :ThmbUp:Flip side of Michael Moore. :lol:

[dartman51]

Flip side of Michael Moore. :lol:

Have you seen it? :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Unlike the MM garbage, this guy is a legitimate pro and this is a legit documentary, not a crockumentary.

He uses a technique alien to MM - facts.

Comparing MM to this film is like comparing the Chipmunks to Pavarotti.

[rastajenk]

Probably not fictitious enough to win an Oscar, though.

[redshift1]

Has anyone seen it? If you have, what is your take on it? :ThmbUp:

See Dinesh D' Souza's publishing history, better yet see his publisher's other offerings. Imagining future events pretty much excludes this movie from the documentary category, fits nicely in the apocalyptic end of life as we know it genera.

Basically if Obama is re-elected the space-time continuum will rupture causing the universe to end.

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[dartman51]

See Dinesh D' Souza's publishing history, better yet see his publisher's other offerings. Imagining future events pretty much excludes this movie from the documentary category, fits nicely in the apocalyptic end of life as we know it genera.

Basically if Obama is re-elected the space-time continuum will rupture causing the universe to end.

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Obviously, you haven't watched the movie, so you just ASSUME what the movie is about, and make asinine, dumbass comments. Go watch the movie, then come back and tell us how it's nothing but a hate Obama movie. Typical liberal, making comments on things you don't know shit about. :ThmbUp:

[dartman51]

Further more, I challenge anyone here to go watch the movie, and then PROVE that any of the FACTS that are presented, are false. I saw THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH, and I promise you, 2016, is 100 times more honest than that piece of garbage. :ThmbUp:

[Greyfox]

I haven't seen the movie.
Here is Dr. Dinesh D'Souza, being interviewed by Glenn Beck (conspiracy theorist). D'Souza made the movie 2016

D'Souza claims Obama holds the view that America must go down for the third World to come up. Obama wants to "reduce America's footprint in the World."

I've said in other threads that Obama sees himself as a citizen of the World first, and America second.

At any rate, watch D'Souza yourself and form your own conclusions:

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[Greyfox]

Here is a second video of Dr. D'Souza speaking at the CPAC convention.

I think that this video is actually more interesting than the one I posted a few minutes ago.

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[redshift1]

Obviously, you haven't watched the movie, so you just ASSUME what the movie is about, and make asinine, dumbass comments. Go watch the movie, then come back and tell us how it's nothing but a hate Obama movie. Typical liberal, making comments on things you don't know shit about. :ThmbUp:

Tell me 2016 does not portray dire consequences if Obama is re-elected.

Or better yet

Explain how Obama's anti-colonial rearing is somehow extrapolated into a weakening of america by manipulation of foreign and domestic policy relegating america to a third world presence.

Or better yet don't because any reasonable person would conclude D'Souza is writing in the same ilk as:


Michelle Malkin
Sean Hannity
Et Al
.

[hcap]

Littlr known fact, Dinesh D' Souza's is the great grandson of John Philip Sousa.

Specialty seems to be the hot air tuba.
Always try to catch his musical offerings. Such a snappy beat. Therefore ANYTHING he writes must also be snappy.

[Tom]

Predictable, the bots parade in to discredit the messenger and ignore the message.

Don't blame them, the message is all too clear.

[Greyfox]

Littlr known fact, Dinesh D' Souza's is the great grandson of John Philip Sousa.

Specialty seems to be the hot air tuba.
Always try to catch his musical offerings. Such a snappy beat. Therefore ANYTHING he writes must also be snappy.

You've got me marching around the breakfast table with that one. :lol:

[hcap]

Just be extra careful if the eggs get up and start doing a two step :lol:

[dartman51]

Predictable, the bots parade in to discredit the messenger and ignore the message.

Don't blame them, the message is all too clear.

I can't blame the mental midgets, as it's all they have. They can't prove the message wrong, so they attack the messenger. Just like their Dear Leader.
attack, attack, attack, attack. Same old story. That's why it's so hard to have a reasonable discussion with most of them, with the exception of 1 or 2. They walk through the world with blinders on. Critical thinking is NOT their strong suite. If a black man, has conservative ideas, then he's not really black, and he's considered an Uncle Tom. If a lifelong Democrat suddenly sees the light and becomes a republican, well, he's just an idiot and never really was a true Democrat. A black man can bash Bush all day long, and that's ok. But, if a white man says anything derogatory about Obama, he's a racist. Typical left wing bullshit. :ThmbUp:

[Dahoss9698]

I can't blame the mental midgets, as it's all they have. They can't prove the message wrong, so they attack the messenger. Just like their Dear Leader.
attack, attack, attack, attack. Same old story. That's why it's so hard to have a reasonable discussion with most of them, with the exception of 1 or 2. They walk through the world with blinders on. Critical thinking is NOT their strong suite. If a black man, has conservative ideas, then he's not really black, and he's considered an Uncle Tom. If a lifelong Democrat suddenly sees the light and becomes a republican, well, he's just an idiot and never really was a true Democrat. A black man can bash Bush all day long, and that's ok. But, if a white man says anything derogatory about Obama, he's a racist. Typical left wing bullshit. :ThmbUp:

First off, what's with the thumbs up? Is it like a crazy OCD like Boxcar has where he feels the need to sign off on every post?

Anyway, don't you think it's kind of hard to have a discussion with someone who speaks like you do? It's like it's your way, or no other way. The "suddenly sees the light" comment is very telling. Who wants to have a discussion with someone like that?

The people who view the world differently than you do think their point of view is correct. See how that works?

As for the movie, I haven't seen it, but I'll try to this week. I have to say, based on your descriptions...oh wait,you didn't talk about the movie at all. You just asked if anyone has seen it and then made some remarks about Michael Moore.

So what is your message exactly? :ThmbUp:

[hcap]

Littlr known fact, Dinesh D' Souza's is the great grandson of John Philip Sousa.

Specialty seems to be the hot air tuba.
Always try to catch his musical offerings. Such a snappy beat. Therefore ANYTHING he writes must also be snappy.

Hwy dartman, your using the wrong D'Sousa to convince the unbelievers. Try this on for size. Should get all us stinkin' libs to stand up and salute his grandson Dinny

/Lg3Dz-eMG3g?f


I guess we all are more patriotic and anti-Obama after that.

[dartman51]

First off, what's with the thumbs up? Is it like a crazy OCD like Boxcar has where he feels the need to sign off on every post?

Anyway, don't you think it's kind of hard to have a discussion with someone who speaks like you do? It's like it's your way, or no other way. The "suddenly sees the light" comment is very telling. Who wants to have a discussion with someone like that?

The people who view the world differently than you do think their point of view is correct. See how that works?

As for the movie, I haven't seen it, but I'll try to this week. I have to say, based on your descriptions...oh wait,you didn't talk about the movie at all. You just asked if anyone has seen it and then made some remarks about Michael Moore.

So what is your message exactly? :ThmbUp:

Obviously, your reading comprehension, is not too good either. Where did I mention Michael Moore? Where did I say anything about , "my way or no other way" ?

I was hoping for a discussion on the movie, apparently that was a mistake, not some 3rd grade attempt, at a put down, "speaks the way you do". WTF is that about. Stick to your handicapping, you're a little better at that. :ThmbUp:

[Dahoss9698]

Obviously, your reading comprehension, is not too good either. Where did I mention Michael Moore? Where did I say anything about , "my way or no other way" ?

I was hoping for a discussion on the movie, apparently that was a mistake, not some 3rd grade attempt, at a put down, "speaks the way you do". WTF is that about. Stick to your handicapping, you're a little better at that. :ThmbUp:

My bad, substitute Al Gore for Michael Moore. Everyone else was talking about Michael Moore.

Still, you want a discussion about the movie, but you didn't discuss it at all. What did you like about it? Use your big boy words. What was so good about the movie?

You can play dumb all you want and you're in good company, especially down here in doing it. But yeah, you really did well encouraging discussion here. Your third post in the thread is laced with insults and put downs. Hard to believe no one wants a discussion, huh?

I'd tell you to stick with what you're good at, but so far all I can come up with is putting a thumbs up emoticon at the end of your posts.

[dartman51]

My bad, substitute Al Gore for Michael Moore. Everyone else was talking about Michael Moore.

Still, you want a discussion about the movie, but you didn't discuss it at all. What did you like about it? Use your big boy words. What was so good about the movie?

You can play dumb all you want and you're in good company, especially down here in doing it. But yeah, you really did well encouraging discussion here. Your third post in the thread is laced with insults and put downs. Hard to believe no one wants a discussion, huh?

I'd tell you to stick with what you're good at, but so far all I can come up with is putting a thumbs up emoticon at the end of your posts.

O.K., try this. Go back and read my FIRST post. 2016 THE MOVIE. Has anyone seen it? If you have, what is your take on it. That is prompting a discussion. I'm sorry if that is above your comprehension. I wasn't touting the movie, or trying to say how great it was. I merely wanted to know if anyone had seen it, and would like to discuss it. All I got was the VERY predictable attacks, obligatory video clips and dumb ass comments about an emoticon that I happen to use. Consider this thread closed. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[Dahoss9698]

I'll try again. If you saw the movie, what did you like about it? Why should we see it?

That's how a discussion starts. Are you just waiting for your pals to come to your rescue here or are you incapable of discussion?

[PaceAdvantage]

I think this D'Souza presents an interesting little theory. I haven't seen the movie, and I have never heard of this guy before this thread. But I watched the two clips posted here of this man.

I don't know why people of BOTH political persuasions have such a hard time at least considering the arguments and theories presented by the other.

I'm a fairly open minded guy, believe it or not. I like to read what the other side of my personally held beliefs has to say. I might learn something.

That's why I recently picked up Christopher Hitchens book "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything"

I am not an atheist...I was raised Roman Catholic. Yet I have no problem reading a book like this. I don't immediately laugh it off and refuse to read it. I'm actually interested in what the guy has to say.

I would think anyone who has any amount of intellectual curiosity would be like this on all types of subjects. Religion, politics, etc...

[TJDave]

Littlr known fact, Dinesh D' Souza's is the great grandson of John Philip Sousa.


Where did you get that? At first glance one would find it hard to believe.

No doubt someone strayed far from the reservation. ;)

[Tom]

I don't know why people of BOTH political persuasions have such a hard time at least considering the arguments and theories presented by the other.

I would watch with an open mind, if it weren't by MM or Al Gorse - two proven liars. Has anyone on the left with credibility done a movie yet?

[Tom]

Well, I was right and I was wrong.

[PaceAdvantage]

I would watch with an open mind, if it weren't by MM or Al Gorse - two proven liars. Has anyone on the left with credibility done a movie yet?I've watched at least two of MM's movies (Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine). Can't remember if I saw Sicko or not...I think I've only seen clips.

[boxcar]

I haven't seen the movie.
Here is Dr. Dinesh D'Souza, being interviewed by Glenn Beck (conspiracy theorist). D'Souza made the movie 2016

D'Souza claims Obama holds the view that America must go down for the third World to come up. Obama wants to "reduce America's footprint in the World."

I've said in other threads that Obama sees himself as a citizen of the World first, and America second.

At any rate, watch D'Souza yourself and form your own conclusions:

nfXinXnhdN8&feature=related

The guy not only has Obama pegged accurately, but this is how the powerful elitists in the world view America as well! America has been in the sights of very rich and powerful people for numerous decades because they need to get this country in line with the socialist nations of the world. This is number one top priority. And I suspect this is why Roberts flip-flopped on Obama-Care. He caved to a tremendous amount of pressure by very powerful people.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Littlr known fact, Dinesh D' Souza's is the great grandson of John Philip Sousa. Where did you get that? At first glance one would find it hard to believe.

No doubt someone strayed far from the reservation. ;)Only a play on names. Have no fear. The reservation is still intact :lol:

Except I notice Chief Foot-in-Mouth Boxcar has just arrived. Now fear :cool:

[mostpost]

I haven't seen the movie.
Here is Dr. Dinesh D'Souza, being interviewed by Glenn Beck (conspiracy theorist). D'Souza made the movie 2016

D'Souza claims Obama holds the view that America must go down for the third World to come up. Obama wants to "reduce America's footprint in the World."

I've said in other threads that Obama sees himself as a citizen of the World first, and America second.

At any rate, watch D'Souza yourself and form your own conclusions:

nfXinXnhdN8&feature=related
My conclusion is that Dinesh D'Souza is certifiable. The Churchill bust was returned because it was given to the Bush Administration. Traditionally such gifts are returned when that administration leaves office.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57481840-503544/churchill-or-bust-british-embassy-says-white-house-was-wrong-sort-of/
excerpt.
But Pfeiffer is refusing to back down. Following the Embassy's statement on Saturday, he updated his original post arguing the bust in the White House today is the original from the 1960s; the one returned at the start of this administration was lent to President George W. Bush by former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and "on January 20, 2009 - Inauguration Day - all of the art lent specifically for President Bush's Oval Office was removed by the curator's office, as is common practice at the end of every presidency," he wrote.

Each President chooses how to decorate the oval office. Too read a political motivation into which statues he chooses to display is ludicrous. In any case there is still a bust of Churchill in the Oval office, one that has been there since 1961.

D'SOuza says that Obama removed the bust because Churchill fought for the continuation of British colonialism. That may be true, but we are long past the time when Great Britain had colonies. Removing the bust would hardly be a significant statement.

Then D'Souza quotes from (I think) Obama's speech in Grant Park after he won the election, "We're going to change America and fix the world." D'Souza claimed that the only way Obama could "fix" the world was by tearing down America. This is so similar to what I hear on this board. That anything that helps the middle class or the poor has to hurt the rich. In both cases it is untrue, but particularly on the world stage. Building up the third world helps the United States by providing more markets for us. D'Souza can not see this.

Obama can. Obama does.

[Greyfox]

Building up the third world helps the United States by providing more markets for us. D'Souza can not see this.

Obama can. Obama does.

Right. That's why so many American jobs have been outsourced overseas, including the recent U.S. Olympic Uniform contract. :rolleyes:

[mostpost]

The guy not only has Obama pegged accurately, but this is how the powerful elitists in the world view America as well! America has been in the sights of very rich and powerful people for numerous decades because they need to get this country in line with the socialist nations of the world. This is number one top priority. And I suspect this is why Roberts flip-flopped on Obama-Care. He caved to a tremendous amount of pressure by very powerful people.

Boxcar
People named George Washington, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin and other framers of the Constitution.

[Shemp Howard]

Is this guy related to Egbert Souse?

"Was I in this bar last night, and did I spend a 20 dollar bill?"
Bartender Shemp Howard: "Yeah!"

Egbert: "Oh, boy, is that a load off my mind. (chuckles) I thought I'd lost it!"

[mostpost]

Right. That's why so many American jobs have been outsourced overseas, including the recent U.S. Olympic Uniform contract. :rolleyes:
A part of the whole thing would have to be restoring tariffs on imports so we can compete on equal footing. Also ending tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas.

[PaceAdvantage]

My conclusion is that Dinesh D'Souza is certifiable. The Churchill bust was returned because it was given to the Bush Administration. Traditionally such gifts are returned when that administration leaves office.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57481840-503544/churchill-or-bust-british-embassy-says-white-house-was-wrong-sort-of/
excerpt.
But Pfeiffer is refusing to back down. Following the Embassy's statement on Saturday, he updated his original post arguing the bust in the White House today is the original from the 1960s; the one returned at the start of this administration was lent to President George W. Bush by former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and "on January 20, 2009 - Inauguration Day - all of the art lent specifically for President Bush's Oval Office was removed by the curator's office, as is common practice at the end of every presidency," he wrote.

Each President chooses how to decorate the oval office. Too read a political motivation into which statues he chooses to display is ludicrous. In any case there is still a bust of Churchill in the Oval office, one that has been there since 1961.

D'SOuza says that Obama removed the bust because Churchill fought for the continuation of British colonialism. That may be true, but we are long past the time when Great Britain had colonies. Removing the bust would hardly be a significant statement.

Then D'Souza quotes from (I think) Obama's speech in Grant Park after he won the election, "We're going to change America and fix the world." D'Souza claimed that the only way Obama could "fix" the world was by tearing down America. This is so similar to what I hear on this board. That anything that helps the middle class or the poor has to hurt the rich. In both cases it is untrue, but particularly on the world stage. Building up the third world helps the United States by providing more markets for us. D'Souza can not see this.

Obama can. Obama does.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/07/28/20120727-churchill.jpg

Is that Obama bowing to the statue of Churchill? :lol:

BTW, your own link states the following:

The British Embassy on Friday confirmed to Mediaite.com that despite caustic pushback from an Obama administration official, conservative Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer was correct when he wrote in his column this week that Mr. Obama "started his presidency by returning to the British Embassy the bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office."So D'Souza IS correct.

What else makes you think he is CERTIFIABLE? You certainly seem to be quite a hyperbolic individual lately. Calling me a racist. Calling D'Souza CERTIFIABLE (INSANE). I don't see any signs of insanity from the two videos of this man I just watched.

Do you even know what insane means? Or racist? Perhaps it's your ignorance and lack of knowledge that is bringing you down. Perhaps I should go easier on you...

[TJDave]

Right. That's why so many American jobs have been outsourced overseas, including the recent U.S. Olympic Uniform contract. :rolleyes:

So, you won't be buying any of those cheap overseas made goods, then? :rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

Go look at the mojo chart for this weekend.

The movie is #8. It was #3 going into the weekend. Lots of people seeking it out, even though it was in many less theater's that others.

There is an interesting number on the chart when it comes to this movie. This number is what studios use to measure success of the plot or subject matter of a movie.

It's the dollars per theater average that normally drops when the movie goes into more theaters. This film went into 922 more theaters this weekend (it's actually been out 7 weeks in limited release) and the dollars per theater count went up to over 5k a theater. That never happens unless it's a blockbuster movie. Documentaries never have it happen. This time it did. Lots of people are interested in this film. The gross is up 400%

This is very interesting. It cost 1.5 mil to make and is closing in on 10 mil in revenue. The subject matter is very interesting to many.

[NJ Stinks]

http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/


This is very interesting. It cost 1.5 mil to make and is closing in on 10 mil in revenue. The subject matter is very interesting to many.

This movie is interesting to the same people that watch FOX News and buy books by Hannity and other leading ;) conservatives.

(I do intend to see it if it ever finds a theater around here. I like to call it intellectual curiosity! :p :) )

[Greyfox]

So, you won't be buying any of those cheap overseas made goods, then? :rolleyes:

Why not?

I own a strap shop in India for adding to the tops of sandals.

I get a kick out of them (and hedge hog spectators, no names mentioned). :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

This movie is interesting to the same people that watch FOX News and buy books by Hannity and other leading ;) conservatives.

(I do intend to see it if it ever finds a theater around here. I like to call it intellectual curiosity! :p :) )Why is everything always a joke to you when it concerns the "other side of the equation?"

Why even bother commenting?

I'm trying to remember a time when you used to be a more substantial contributor...but the memory is fading faster and faster...

[TJDave]

Why not?
I own a strap shop in India for adding to the tops of sandals.


I don't have a problem with that, AT ALL. I own an offshore shop, as well.

I thought you were complaining about outsourcing while feeding at the trough.

As it turns out, we're champions of both.

Oink, Oink. ;)

[Greyfox]

I don't have a problem with that, AT ALL. I own an offshore shop, as well.

I thought you were complaining about outsourcing while feeding at the trough.

As it turns out, we're champions of both.

Oink, Oink. ;)

Feed at the trough? That takes balls.

Complain about outsourcing?

Mostie said that helping other countries helps our market.

So this little piggy went to market. (as bacon)
This little piggy stayed home.
This little piggy had roast beef,
And this little piggy cried,
"Under Obama there went my job and my home!"

[NJ Stinks]

Why is everything always a joke to you when it concerns the "other side of the equation?"

Why even bother commenting?

I'm trying to remember a time when you used to be a more substantial contributor...but the memory is fading faster and faster...

I wasn't joking about who this movie appeals to. I was kidding you with the "intellectual curiosity" quote.

Here's the bottom line, PA. I'm not looking for your approval in any way, shape, or form. It would nice to get along but when I see a post of yours like this one, I can only wonder where the hell you are when righties here are busting lefties for being a "joke".

[PaceAdvantage]

I wasn't joking about who this movie appeals to. I was kidding you with the "intellectual curiosity" quote.

Here's the bottom line, PA. I'm not looking for your approval in any way, shape, or form. It would nice to get along but when I see a post of yours like this one, I can only wonder where the hell you are when righties here are busting lefties for being a "joke".I've defended mostpost, of all people, more than once...then he turns around and calls me a racist. So excuse me if I'm a little gun shy from here on out...

But seriously, I think I've been more than fair over the years. There was as much or more baseless stuff thrown around here about Bush as there has been about Obama (don't tell hcap that, he never agrees with me).

On the one hand, people have written here how Bush and Cheney were behind 9/11, and on the other, people have written that Obama wasn't born in the US, is a closet socialist/Marxist/Muslim who wants to bring America to its very knees. And so on, and so on, and so on...it's a never ending cycle...

Don't act as if I censor people from posting views opposite of my own. Each side claims the other is a "joke."

I guess I just have a mental image of those contributors who used to be more substantial in nature...and lately, you've been just the opposite of that...

[NJ Stinks]

I've defended mostpost, of all people, more than once...then he turns around and calls me a racist. So excuse me if I'm a little gun shy from here on out...

But seriously, I think I've been more than fair over the years. There was as much or more baseless stuff thrown around here about Bush as there has been about Obama (don't tell hcap that, he never agrees with me).

On the one hand, people have written here how Bush and Cheney were behind 9/11, and on the other, people have written that Obama wasn't born in the US, is a closet socialist/Marxist/Muslim who wants to bring America to its very knees. And so on, and so on, and so on...it's a never ending cycle...

Don't act as if I censor people from posting views opposite of my own. Each side claims the other is a "joke."

I guess I just have a mental image of those contributors who used to be more substantial in nature...and lately, you've been just the opposite of that...

Mostpost was wrong to say you are a racist. Nobody here - including me - defended his opinion and Mostpost apologized. And, yes, I know you have defended Mostpost in the past and I appreciate that you did.

As for the rest of it, there isn't much I can say. I guess I'm running on empty in the substance department. Bigmack has been telling me that ever since I got here. :)

[Tom]

It's a jungle out there, NJ.
Survival of the fittest.
Don't throw stones if the guy you throw them at has rocks. :lol:

[boxcar]

People named George Washington, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin and other framers of the Constitution.

At least Bush's name isn't in there. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[thaskalos]

I've watched at least two of MM's movies (Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine). Can't remember if I saw Sicko or not...I think I've only seen clips.

What did you think of the two Michael Moore movies that you DID see?

[Tom]

I saw BFC and thought what a crock this smear piece was.
MM produces opinion pieces, not documentaries.

[thaskalos]

I saw BFC and thought what a crock this smear piece was.
MM produces opinion pieces, not documentaries.

I have seen BFC, F 9-11 and Sicko...and I liked them all.

I have also done a little research to find out why Michael Moore is considered a "liar" and a "hypocrite" by some...and I have found that most of the criticism he gets is downright laughable.

I mean...come on...

Just because "this country has made the man rich"...does that mean that he doesn't have the right to criticize a wrong when he sees it?

I must say that I found "Sicko" to be his best work...

Very enlightening, I thought...

[Tom]

Just because "this country has made the man rich"...does that mean that he doesn't have the right to criticize a wrong when he sees it?

Of course not, but that is not what a documentary is.
What he put out was an opinion piece.
He has a aright to do that, but not lie about it being a documentary.
Frankly, I was rooting for Charlton Heston to punch his lights out and say something like "I don't need a gun for a punk like you!" :lol:

His being rich is not a concern to me in the least bit. I generally like rich people. If I suck up to them, they might throw me a sheckle or two. I'll take them.

[thaskalos]

His being rich is not a concern to me in the least bit. I generally like rich people. If I suck up to them, they might throw me a sheckle or two. I'll take them.

I can't disagree with you here.

I also have become quite fond of rich people lately.

In fact...I now refuse to go to the track with anyone who isn't "well to do".

People who see me do this think that I am looking for people to borrow from...

Nothing of the sort. I just want to make sure that no one borrows from ME...:)

[PaceAdvantage]

What did you think of the two Michael Moore movies that you DID see?It's been a long time...I believe I came away with the notion that both were mockumentaries, not documentaries....F 9/11 was designed as a hit piece on the Bush administration. I don't believe I consider either a real documentary, because the "other side" wasn't presented in any fair, non-biased light, and there was much manipulation, truth bending and truth breaking.

Other than that, I suppose I found them entertaining as far as movies go...I watched both to completion, so that tells you something.. :lol:

[Greyfox]

Just because "this country has made the man rich"...does that mean that he doesn't have the right to criticize a wrong when he sees it?

...

I find Michael Moore to be quite creative and bright.
To his credit he has used his wits to accumulate a rather large chunk of wealth.
In that regard, he's a living example of doing what he tells others the American system won't let you do.
Walking around looking like a bum among the "Occupiers" presents the impression "Hey, I'm one of you guys."
He isn't. Away from the riff raff he wears tuxedos, dines at quality restaurants, and sips wine that I couldn't afford.
Also, he's a bit strange as while he knocks the health care system, he really doesn't do much about his own personal weight problems and the impact they will have on his own well-being down the road.

But if Michael Moore wants to be truly credible, he'd do a movie entitled:

"The Velleity of Barack Obama"

From Capper Al's "Word of the Day" thread:

velleity \vuh-LEE-i-tee\, noun:

1. Volition in its weakest form.
2. A mere wish, unaccompanied by an effort to obtain it.

[mostpost]

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/07/28/20120727-churchill.jpg

Is that Obama bowing to the statue of Churchill? :lol:

BTW, your own link states the following:

So D'Souza IS correct.

What else makes you think he is CERTIFIABLE? You certainly seem to be quite a hyperbolic individual lately. Calling me a racist. Calling D'Souza CERTIFIABLE (INSANE). I don't see any signs of insanity from the two videos of this man I just watched.

Do you even know what insane means? Or racist? Perhaps it's your ignorance and lack of knowledge that is bringing you down. Perhaps I should go easier on you...
No one denies that Obama returned a bust of Churchill to the British. What is silly is implying-or saying that he did it because of a deep seated hatred of Churchill or the British people. It was returned because it was a loan to a previous administration. Those types of things are traditionally returned when the new administration takes office. Any attempts to portray that as anti-colonialism borders on irrationality at the least.

[mostpost]

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/07/28/20120727-churchill.jpg

Is that Obama bowing to the statue of Churchill? :lol:

BTW, your own link states the following:

So D'Souza IS correct.

What else makes you think he is CERTIFIABLE? You certainly seem to be quite a hyperbolic individual lately. Calling me a racist. Calling D'Souza CERTIFIABLE (INSANE). I don't see any signs of insanity from the two videos of this man I just watched.

Do you even know what insane means? Or racist? Perhaps it's your ignorance and lack of knowledge that is bringing you down. Perhaps I should go easier on you...
Hyperbolic? You mean like someone saying "Obama hates America" or "liberalism is a disease" I've seen both of those statements here and a lot more. Somehow I missed where you called them hyperbole.

[Tom]

The word you should have used is true.

[PaceAdvantage]

Hyperbolic? You mean like someone saying "Obama hates America" or "liberalism is a disease" I've seen both of those statements here and a lot more. Somehow I missed where you called them hyperbole.Liberalism is a disease if it causes you to view all conservatives as racists. That was the only way I could conceive of you seeing me as such (which you have since taken back, and I appreciate).

As for Obama hating America, I've never said such a thing...I don't believe it to be true. I do believe he is misguided in his beliefs, and that they aren't beneficial for America in the long term.

I'm not perfect...never said I was...if I don't call others out on their hypocrisy, then isn't that what you're here for? :lol:

[Tom]

Why don't some of our resident libs here quote some passages from Obama's book about his Daddy and his dreams, and show how he loves America and has her best interests at heart?

I may buy a copy just to have some new material to post here! :D

[thaskalos]

I'm not perfect...never said I was...if I don't call others out on their hypocrisy, then isn't that what you're here for? :lol:

You are almost perfect PA...and that's good enough, IMO.

In fact, in all the time that I have been here...I have found that only 3 types of people get under your skin.

Liberals, Zenyatta fans, and NYRA critics.

Which also explains why I am always on my best behavior here.

Otherwise...as a liberal, Zenyatta-loving, NYRA critic...what chance for longevity have I got here? :)

[bigmack]

I must say that I found "Sicko" to be his best work...

Very enlightening, I thought...
Unfortunately, Moore is also a con man of a very brazen sort, and never more so than in this film.http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1563758/sicko-heavily-doctored-by-kurt-loder.jhtml

[thaskalos]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1563758/sicko-heavily-doctored-by-kurt-loder.jhtml

My friend...it has been my misfortune to have become an expert of sorts when it comes to the healthcare system in this country.

The two best people that I have ever met in my life have died at a young age...and I have spent a great deal of time in hospitals -- and dealing with health insurances -- while they were dealing with the diseases that claimed their lives.

I can only think of one word to use in my description of the healthcare system in this country...and that word is DEPLORABLE!

The author of this piece that you have provided here claims that Moore "handpicked" the stories that he featured in his film...so, what does this author do?

He proceeds to "handpick" some other stories...in order to refute the points that Moore made.

Michael Moore does it...and he is a con man and a liar.

The author of this piece does it...and he is a responsible journalist.

It makes sense, I guess...

[PaceAdvantage]

You are almost perfect PA...and that's good enough, IMO.

In fact, in all the time that I have been here...I have found that only 3 types of people get under your skin.

Liberals, Zenyatta fans, and NYRA critics.

Which also explains why I am always on my best behavior here.

Otherwise...as a liberal, Zenyatta-loving, NYRA critic...what chance for longevity have I got here? :)I have no problem with Liberals...I just don't agree with them...lol

I have no problem with Zenyatta fans...unless they claim she was one of the best horses ever to look through a bridle.

And I have no problem with NYRA critics, as long as the criticism is being pointed in the right direction.

Yup, I guess I am perfect...(just kidding)... :lol: :lol:

[bigmack]

Michael Moore does it...and he is a con man and a liar.
If memory serves, the models held up by Moore in Sicko are Canada the UK & Cuba. You don't want to get into an honest debate of those systems over ours. Trust me.

Your personal frustrations with our system notwithstanding, we have much to improve but Sicko was a hack hit piece lacking integrity.

[thaskalos]

If memory serves, the models held up by Moore in Sicko are Canada the UK & Cuba. You don't want to get into an honest debate of those systems over ours. Trust me.

Your personal frustrations with our system notwithstanding, we have much to improve but Sicko was a hack hit piece lacking integrity.

There was one part in the movie Sicko that sticks to my mind.

Moore is talking with a college professor (I think)...in England (I believe. It was a long time since I saw the movie).

He asks him..."Why are the citizens here receiving so many more benefits than what the citizens of the United States are currenly getting."

The professor tells him that the English citizens are quick to show their displeasure when their leaders misuse their power...and shortchange the people. The citizens take to the streets...and entire cities are immobilized.

And then the professor adds:

"In this country...the government is afraid of the people. In the United States...the people are afraid of the government."

[thaskalos]

If memory serves, the models held up by Moore in Sicko are Canada the UK & Cuba. You don't want to get into an honest debate of those systems over ours. Trust me.

Your personal frustrations with our system notwithstanding, we have much to improve but Sicko was a hack hit piece lacking integrity.
Just in case you happen to think that Moore is the only documentary film maker who stretches the truth...

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-anti-obama-film-muddy-facts-072153385--politics.html

[ArlJim78]

Just in case you happen to think that Moore is the only documentary film maker who stretches the truth...

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-anti-obama-film-muddy-facts-072153385--politics.html
you can't be serious. a fact check from the Associated Press?

oh and FYI, Micheal Moore does not make documentaries. They're nothing but flimsy political hitpieces.

[thaskalos]

oh and FYI, Micheal Moore does not make documentaries. They're nothing but flimsy political hitpieces.

And "2016: Obama's America"...is not a "flimsy political hitpiece"?

THIS was your idea of a "documentary"?

[Greyfox]

And "2016: Obama's America"...is not a "flimsy political hitpiece"?

THIS was your idea of a "documentary"?

Have you seen 2016?

[ArlJim78]

the complete movie is showing up on various websites, I'm not sure how long that will last before its taken down.

I just watched the whole thing. Dinesh is a very bright guy and makes a strong argument. Nothing really new in it for me, I've been on to this fraud from the beginning and knew he was trying to weaken the country even before I knew why. when you look at what he calls Obama founding fathers. lol. not a single person in the bunch who wouldn't want to burn down the country. incredible.

Like Dinesh I knew that Obama was not going to do anything about Iran getting nuclear weapons as I'm positive that he is in favor of it.

One observation is that Obama's half brother George, the one who lives in a hut in Kenya, is more rational, less radical, and apparently smarter than his famous brother.

the thought of this guy getting another 4 years is terrifying. as he privately said to Medvedev "this is my last election, afterwards I'll have more flexibility". what a nightmare for the country that we've lost our way so badly that we can no longer recognize good from bad. America has been on the decline, struggling, and we elect a guy who desires to hasten our demise, not to prevent it or turn things around, instead to run it into the ground.

[redshift1]

Ironic twist of fate for the budding filmmaker while researching his next effort:

Marriage 2016 or The Roots of my Ex's Anger

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/dinesh-souza-steps-manhattan-school-tryst-article-1.1187226?localLinksEnabled=false

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[fast4522]

Today, I have this documentary reserved at Redbox down the street. It will have no effect on the way that I vote in November, but I do hope it will effect others who see it between now and then. Such a filthy direction for these United States of America this agenda that some here embrace.