Voter ID

[JustRalph]

http://newsninja2012.com/egg-on-naacp-face-voter-id-challenger-happy-as-a-clam-to-get-free-id-in-pennsylvania/


Amazing how things work

[BlueShoe]

http://newsninja2012.com/egg-on-naacp-face-voter-id-challenger-happy-as-a-clam-to-get-free-id-in-pennsylvania/


Amazing how things work
Yep, but Eric Holder, the NAACP, ACLU, and the Democratic Party will not be convinced. They feel that illegal aliens, criminals, the unregistered, and dead persons should have the right to vote, but only, of course, if they vote Democratic.

[sandpit]

I don't see what the big deal is about this topic. In Kentucky, I've had to show my ID for every election I've ever voted in, and you never hear anybody complaining about it here.

[mostpost]

One person who thought they would have trouble getting an ID does not and you all think that means no one will have trouble. One is not a trend. Your hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny.

[newtothegame]

One person who thought they would have trouble getting an ID does not and you all think that means no one will have trouble. One is not a trend. Your hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny.
Not just "one person"...it was one of the LEAD PLAINTIFFS......
if aq lead plaintiff can get an ID relatively easy...seems to me that a person with less of an interest surely can....:lol:

[bigmack]

One person who thought they would have trouble getting an ID does not and you all think that means no one will have trouble. One is not a trend. Your hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny.
Would you like to see how well your continued position of "there's nothing to see here" stands up to scrutiny? Hold the phone, you've been schooled on this subject innumerably. Don't tell me you're simply stone cold dense or worse yet, purposefully obtuse?

That ain't comfortably numb.

[newtothegame]

Would you like to see how well your continued position of "there's nothing to see here" stands up to scrutiny? Hold the phone, you've been schooled on this subject innumerably. Don't tell me you're simply stone cold dense or worse yet, purposefully obtuse?

That ain't comfortably numb.
damn you Mack (and welcome back)...I will have the floyd in my head the rest of the night....!!!

[sammy the sage]

just BIG brother...amazing how THE right preach's LESS government (which I subscribe to)....yet in THE end....that's what we'll ALL get... :faint:

[newtothegame]

just BIG brother...amazing how THE right preach's LESS government (which I subscribe to)....yet in THE end....that's what we'll ALL get... :faint:
Sammy, you're wrong on this one if I am reading your right. Although we preach less government, no where do we say ignore the laws.
The law is that you have to be a legal citizen to vote. How does one prove citizenship? ID's maybe I am thinking.....:bang:

[mostpost]

Not just "one person"...it was one of the LEAD PLAINTIFFS......
if aq lead plaintiff can get an ID relatively easy...seems to me that a person with less of an interest surely can....:lol:

Just the opposite Mr. doofus, the lead plaintiff should be able to get an ID so those defending the law can prove it is not onerous. Lower profile citizens may not be so lucky.

[Tom]

Lower profile citizens may not be so lucky.

You mean them dumb Black people?
Isn't that the code you guys are using here?
Or is the lazy Latinos you are insulting here?

How is it someone can get to the polls on a specific day, but not get a photo ID any day of the year?

You argument is plain insulting and pathetic.

[PaceAdvantage]

How is it someone can get to the polls on a specific day, but not get a photo ID any day of the year?Great question, and one I asked a week or two ago.

All those nifty volunteers that bus people to the polls should add one more stop to their route...the Voter ID pick-up booth.

[mostpost]

You mean them dumb Black people?
Isn't that the code you guys are using here?
Or is the lazy Latinos you are insulting here?

How is it someone can get to the polls on a specific day, but not get a photo ID any day of the year?

You argument is plain insulting and pathetic.

You are the one bringing up black people and Latinos. Apparently you are not aware that employers are required to give time off to vote. There is no such rule for obtaining ID. Also polling places are always in one's neighborhood. The closest place for me to go for an ID is half an hour away and I drive. It's at least two buses maybe three.

The problem with all these laws is that they are all unnecessary. The number of times a person has been charged with voting in someone else's name is so minuscule as to be invisible. Tom Corbett, now governor of Pennsylvania was asked how many cases he prosecuted for this particular version of voter fraud when he was Attorney General of Pennsylvania. Over six years he prosecuted none. Similar numbers are found all over the country.

I said these laws are unnecessary. They are unnecessary to combat fraud that does not exist. They are very necessary to keep people from voting who may not vote for Republicans.

[newtothegame]

Just the opposite Mr. doofus, the lead plaintiff should be able to get an ID so those defending the law can prove it is not onerous. Lower profile citizens may not be so lucky.
As usual. your backwards again......
Lets see, from an attorney's point of view, "your honor, here is my lead plaintiff who has no shot of getting an id...that's why we are bringing this case",
Or, "Your honor, here is our lead plaintiff, dont worry that she can get an ID easily, we still wish to bring suit"....
Yeah I get your reasoning...lol

[newtothegame]

You are the one bringing up black people and Latinos. Apparently you are not aware that employers are required to give time off to vote. There is no such rule for obtaining ID. Also polling places are always in one's neighborhood. The closest place for me to go for an ID is half an hour away and I drive. It's at least two buses maybe three.

The problem with all these laws is that they are all unnecessary. The number of times a person has been charged with voting in someone else's name is so minuscule as to be invisible. Tom Corbett, now governor of Pennsylvania was asked how many cases he prosecuted for this particular version of voter fraud when he was Attorney General of Pennsylvania. Over six years he prosecuted none. Similar numbers are found all over the country.

I said these laws are unnecessary. They are unnecessary to combat fraud that does not exist. They are very necessary to keep people from voting who may not vote for Republicans.
I have to have an ID to buy cigarettes to prove my age.....
I have to have an ID to buy alcohol to prove my age.....
I have to provide an ID to get into a casino to gamble......
I have to provide an ID when I cash a check.......
I have to provide an ID to buy a car........
Why is it that none of the above (and I am sure there are plenty more examples) are being challenged as "unfair"?????

[Tom]

mostie, you are pathetic.

[JustRalph]

Illegally voting felons may have given Franken the win, in turn giving us Obama care.


Closing in on 200 prosecutions.

" said Ramsey County is still investigating all the names and has asked that more investigators be hired to complete the process. "So far we have charged 28 people with felonies, have 17 more under review and have 182 cases still open," he said. "And there is a good chance we may match or even exceed their numbers."*

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds/#ixzz2492MOPfq

[TJDave]

polling places are always in one's neighborhood.

Agreed, these laws should be unnecessary. I've been asked for ID twice as most times I'm voting in the church around the corner and down the block. Everyone knows most everyone... even the volunteer workers. That's the way it is everywhere, ain't it?

Or should be.

[Let's Roll]

Agreed, these laws should be unnecessary. I've been asked for ID twice as most times I'm voting in the church around the corner and down the block. Everyone knows most everyone... even the volunteer workers. That's the way it is everywhere, ain't it?

Or should be.
Well, it's not that way if you can vote by mail in ballot.If you can register the phony voter by mail, even better.A deceptively simple scam, that's why there are so few prosecutions.Amazing, that it's enabled by the U.S.Postal Service !

[NJ Stinks]

mostie, you are pathetic.

What's pathetic are Republicans doing anything they can to get a low turnout on election day. What a proud party. :rolleyes:

[FantasticDan]

I said these laws are unnecessary. They are unnecessary to combat fraud that does not exist. They are very necessary to keep people from voting who may not vote for Republicans. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

http://www.classwarfareexists.com/study-in-person-voter-fraud-virtually-nonexistent/#axzz249JNAcKT

:bang:

[TJDave]

Amazing, that it's enabled by the U.S.Postal Service !

I'd be amazed if it wasn't. The post office isn't gonna refuse to facilitate an election. The States can do what they want as long as they don't disenfranchise voters. I'd expect if a State registered or sent a ballot to every voter of legal age including aliens the Federal government couldn't do a thing to stop it.

[ArlJim78]

there are exactly zero examples of how voters ID would suppress turnout. zero.
for crying out loud what other country would operate an election without identifying the voter? Not Canada or Mexico I know that. only in the good ole usa do we constantly go for the insanity option.

[dartman51]

For those of you that really believe the fairy tale that there is NO voter fraud, explain 40,000 MORE ballots cast, than there are registered voters.
http://www.minnesotamajority.org/TheIssues/ElectionIntegrity/tabid/188/Default.aspx

or this one.
http://washingtonbus.org/blog/106-voter-turnout

and there are plenty more. But go ahead, bury you head in the sand, and only believe what your marching orders say. :ThmbUp:

[mostpost]

I have to have an ID to buy cigarettes to prove my age.....
I have to have an ID to buy alcohol to prove my age.....
I have to provide an ID to get into a casino to gamble......
I have to provide an ID when I cash a check.......
I have to provide an ID to buy a car........
Why is it that none of the above (and I am sure there are plenty more examples) are being challenged as "unfair"?????


Buying cigarettes is not a right.
Buying alcohol is not a right.
Gambling in a casino is not a right.
Cashing a check is not a right.
Buying a car is not a right.

Voting is a right guaranteed in our Constitution.

[mostpost]

mostie, you are pathetic.
Thank You. That always gives me confidence that I am right. ;)

[PaceAdvantage]

Buying cigarettes is not a right.
Buying alcohol is not a right.
Gambling in a casino is not a right.
Cashing a check is not a right.
Buying a car is not a right.

Voting is a right guaranteed in our Constitution.The left believes that owning a house is a right, right mostie? :lol: (this belief by many lefties is partially what led to the 2008 financial crisis and housing collapse).

...and you have to show ID for that when you sign your papers...

[johnhannibalsmith]

...

Voting is a right guaranteed in our Constitution.

Trying to start a new argument?

[mostpost]

Illegally voting felons may have given Franken the win, in turn giving us Obama care.


Closing in on 200 prosecutions.

" said Ramsey County is still investigating all the names and has asked that more investigators be hired to complete the process. "So far we have charged 28 people with felonies, have 17 more under review and have 182 cases still open," he said. "And there is a good chance we may match or even exceed their numbers."*

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds/#ixzz2492MOPfq
That story is two years old. Come up with something a little more recent.
The story itself says the reason for the difference in numbers between MM and prosecutors was that MM did not have access to non public information regarding felons whose sentences or probation had been reduced.


The story says that MM turned over evidence of felons voting in two Minnesota Counties, Ramsey and Hennepin. Does this mean those are the only two counties they looked at? The two heavily Democratic counties? Where there no felons who voted in the other Minnesota counties?

Also the story implies that the votes were tied and then the felons voted giving the race to Franken. Why do we assume the felons voted for Franken. Maybe they voted for whoever the hell the Republican was.

[newtothegame]

Buying cigarettes is not a right.
Buying alcohol is not a right.
Gambling in a casino is not a right.
Cashing a check is not a right.
Buying a car is not a right.

Voting is a right guaranteed in our Constitution.
you are right mostie....voting is a right...TO LEGAL CITIZENS!
Now how does one prove this??? right back to the good ole ID!!

[rastajenk]

As a poll worker for the last 10 years, representing the R side of the balance, I think showing an ID merely slows down the process; if the voter gets his name and address right, and signs the poll book with a signature that looks like the one already in there, that's good enough for me. That's just the practical, boots-on-the-ground attitude that I have.

Early voting, absentee and provisional voting is a whole other can of worms. If having an ID helps to clean up that part of it, I'm all for it, and to achieve some consistency, well, then I guess you should at least have one with you when you vote in your precinct on Election Day, even if you're not asked to show it.

However, I don't think the ID requirement is an onerous burden, and arguments to the contrary are specious. There's no doubt as to which party has benefited the most from voting controversies, and it's not the R's.

[Tom]

But how did the signature get on file to begin with?
Why wouldn't you need ID to register in the first place?

[ArlJim78]

the only argument offered by the left is that people who oppose them are bad people, therefore they must be right.

those who oppose the president are racist.
those who oppose higher taxes are greedy.
those who want voter ID laws seek to deny another person the right to vote.

and on and on, rinse and repeat.
this is the reason why they are able to contort logic and support the twisted lies and failed policies of their leaders. the other guys are bad people, therefore we must be right!

[Tom]

Jim, the left cannot believe anyone wold not follow the company line, so if disagree, we must be bad people. Beside, they could never defend most of their positions in an intelligent debate anyway, so character assassination is all they have to offer.

Just look at the insulting thing mostie called working people yesterday!
Lower profile citizens!

And he also said they were too stupid to figure out how to get ID - they have to work! :lol: People do not work everyday - they have days off, vacation, sick days, and God forbid they have to figure out how to take two buses to get to an ID place. I guess mostie has trouble counting to two, but most people don't.

Fact is most people probably already have photo ID - anyone with a driver's license does. And if you the the Feds your last name is Sanchez, the will give you one free. Sign you up for food stamps as well!!!!

And how about the Black Panthers that, according to mosite last week, are going house to house to explain things to the "lower profile people?" Why can't they help the small number of them that need to get ID?