President focused on the economy like a laser eh?

[ArlJim78]

then why has he only spent 24 hours this year in economic meetings?
why has he spent more time golfing during his presidency than on the economy?
I mean this guy does nothing but golf and fundraise.
__________________________________________________ __
REPORT: Obama spends more time on golf then the economy (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/19/REPORT-Obama-Spends-Nearly-As-Much-Time-On-The-Economy-As-Dog-Owners-Spend-Walking-Their-Dogs?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Fe ed%29)
“You should know that keeping the economy growing and making sure jobs are available is the first thing I think about when I wake up every morning,” Mr. Obama said (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/obama-i-wake-up-thinking-about-jobs/1#.UAbZj2gudhM) in 2011 to an audience of UPS workers. “It's the last thing I think about when I go to bed each night."
But just how little time Mr. Obama has spent working on the economy can be seen in the data contained in the Government Accountability Institute’s analysis:

Throughout the first 1,257 days of his presidency, Mr. Obama has spent just 412 hours in economic meetings or briefings of any kind

In 2012, so far Obama has spent just 24 total hours in economic meetings of any kind
Assuming a six day, 10-hour workweek, Obama has spent less than 4 percent of his total time in economic meetings or briefings of any kind
There were 773 days (72 percent), excluding Sundays, in which he had no economic meetings
__________________________________________________ ____________
first thing he thinks of in the morning and last thing at night?:lol: :lol: :lol:

[boxcar]

first thing he thinks of in the morning and last thing at night?:lol: :lol: :lol:

I know what the first and last thing is that consumes Obama : It's how he can forever fundamentally transform the face of the America he hates so much.

Boxcar

[lsbets]

While it certainly looks bad politically, the economy is far better off if Obama spends as little time as possible cooking up new ways to **** with it.

[DJofSD]

There was a news item earlier this week that the jobs council has not met for more than 6 months.

That's probably to blame.

[ArlJim78]

While it certainly looks bad politically, the economy is far better off if Obama spends as little time as possible cooking up new ways to **** with it.
exactly right, we're all better off that he does nothing but golf.
It's just that his rhetoric about hard work doesn't match the reality.

[Lefty]

He has had 100 fundraisers. That's more than the last 4 or 5 Presidents COMBINED.

[Tom]

There was a news item earlier this week that the jobs council has not met for more than 6 months.

That's probably to blame.

During that same 6 months, he has attended 100 fund raisers.
Remember the uproar around here when Bush attended a fund raiser?

[mostpost]

The Government Accountability Institute? What the heck is that? Two guys in an office in Tallahassee? I will bet you the GAI has never uttered a bad word about a Republican.

The whole thing is ridiculous; as is most of the stuff you guys post. Obama has been in office 1274 days. IF he has played golf 100 times, that means he has played once every 12.74 days; about once every two weeks.

As for the number and length of economic meetings, does the GAI have access to what is occurring in the White House? Does it know what happens outside the official schedule? The meetings are just the tip of the iceberg. Participants undoubtedly leave the meetings with a long to do list. It is not the president's place to micro manage.

In any case the amount of time the President spends on the economy is not as relevant as the refusal of Republicans to support any measures which might in any way reflect well on the President. In other words, they will keep the economy in the toilet if that means they can regain the White House. The country and its citizens be damned.

[Tom]

In other words, they will keep the economy in the toilet if that means they can regain the White House. The country and its citizens be damned.

The repubs in the House have sent over dozens of bills to try to get things fixed. It is the stonewalling dems in the senate who refuse to vote on them.

Why is that, mostie?
If they are bad bills, why not vote them down and move on.
Maybe they are afraid to go on record with these bills?

Going on 4 years now without a budget.
You drivel about the party of no is totally absurd - it is the DEMS who are doing nothing to help anyone but themselves, the country be damned.

do you know how silly you sound parroting that party-line garbage over and over? When reality shows it to be a lie.:lol:

[Greyfox]

Participants undoubtedly leave the meetings with a long to do list.
.

Yeah sure. The President's Jobs Council has not met in 6 months.:rolleyes:
(also see DJofSD's post above)
(They have had conference calls once a month. But certainly the council is a farce.)

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/19/political-wisdom-jobs-council-sidelined-bain-capitals-first-funds/

[Dave Schwartz]

Mosty,

I heard (over and over again) the anti-Obama commercial where he says, "The private sector is doing fine."

Could you please spin that for me?

Tell me why that is true, please.

[Lefty]

mostie, no way Obama or you can plame Repubs for this mess. He had a Super Majority for 2 years! He could do anything he wanted. This super bad economy is the result. Time to get rid of the party of NO Results .

[highnote]

http://finance.yahoo.com/

I love the way the financial headlines change everyday.

Unfortunately, by the time you view the link above the headlines will have changed, but here are a few:

Forget the Hype, Tech Earnings Are Edging Positive: Karabell

Housing Data Indicate a Market Recovering, Not a Full Recovery: Miller

Economy Is on Track to Grow: Union Pacific CEO

Tomorrow, the headlines might all be negative. LOL

[acorn54]

yes everyone is confused and we have the blind leading the blind
sort of like everyone sees an oncoming train wreck that noone can do anything about.

[Tom]

Tomorrow, the headlines might all be negative. LOL

You mean like:

Obama still President

[mostpost]

The repubs in the House have sent over dozens of bills to try to get things fixed. It is the stonewalling dems in the senate who refuse to vote on them.
I know your definition of get things fixed. Cut taxes on the top 1% and don't make any effort to make sure that they use that money to hire workers. That does not create jobs. Keystone pipeline would not have created jobs. Rescinding needed safety and environmental regulations would not create jobs. Destroying unions does not create jobs. Nothing Republicans do creates jobs.



Why is that, mostie?
If they are bad bills, why not vote them down and move on.
Maybe they are afraid to go on record with these bills?

Going on 4 years now without a budget.
According to wikipedia you are wrong.
The budget for fiscal 2010 was submitted by Obama in February 2009 and passed by Congress July 22, 2009.
The budget for fiscal 2011 was submitted February 1, 2010.
The budget for fiscal 2012 was submitted February 14, 2011.
That is what Obama is required to do. Both were eventually passed by Congress. If it took too much time to pass them, it is because Congress has been has been usurped by a bunch of radicals.
You drivel about the party of no is totally absurd - it is the DEMS who are doing nothing to help anyone but themselves, the country be damned.

do you know how silly you sound parroting that party-line garbage over and over? When reality shows it to be a lie.:lol:
Democrats are offering practical solutions. Solutions which have worked in the past. Supply side does not work. Demand side does. Spend money on infrastructure. Put money in the pockets of workers. They will spend it. Business will prosper.

You have no clue what reality is. Your ideology is not reality.

[Lefty]

mosty, you never learn. Tell Ronald Reagan that. He took a bad economy and turned around. Obama took a bad economy and made it worse. Why didn't he do the things you mentioned when he had a super majority? He not only made things worse he spent trillions doing it. Yet you still think he's right. Most sad.

[Wagergirl]

You guys are aware that wikipedia is not always the best source to quote right?? Any idiot with an internet connection can post on that site and and call it fact.:bang:

[mostpost]

Mosty,

I heard (over and over again) the anti-Obama commercial where he says, "The private sector is doing fine."

Could you please spin that for me?

Tell me why that is true, please.

Fine is probably a bit strong. The private sector has added jobs for 22 straight months. On the other hand, thanks to Republican governors, the public sector has lost jobs in nine of the last eleven,

[Lefty]

Wow, mosty, you just keep on with nonsense. Most of the states with Repub Guvs have less unemployment than the national average.

[NJ Stinks]

The Government Accountability Institute? What the heck is that? Two guys in an office in Tallahassee? I will bet you the GAI has never uttered a bad word about a Republican.

The whole thing is ridiculous; as is most of the stuff you guys post.

Maybe this extraordinarily-researched article will get Obama off the 1-2 shot that he is. :sleeping:

[dartman51]

You guys are aware that wikipedia is not always the best source to quote right?? Any idiot with an internet connection can post on that site and and call it fact.:bang:

I've told them that here before, but some people never learn. Some will use ANY source, as long as it tells them what they want. :ThmbUp:

[mostpost]

mostie, no way Obama or you can plame Repubs for this mess. He had a Super Majority for 2 years! He could do anything he wanted. This super bad economy is the result. Time to get rid of the party of NO Results .
In the first place, the economy is much better than when Obama took office. It was on the news yesterday that new housing starts were the highest in four years. Unemployment numbers have been going down all but four or five of the last 32 months. Private employment is up.

Obama never had a super majority. At the most the Dems had 59 Senate seats. That lasted about eight months until Kennedy died. The Democrats never had enough votes to overcome a Republican filibuster and Republicans filibustered a record number of bills.

[mostpost]

You guys are aware that wikipedia is not always the best source to quote right?? Any idiot with an internet connection can post on that site and and call it fact.:bang:

That could be true, but in this case it is a fact that Obama submitted his proposed budgets on the dates stated.

[elysiantraveller]

That could be true, but in this case it is a fact that Obama submitted his proposed budgets on the dates stated.

Why do you suppose businesses aren't hiring and expanding? They certainly have the money... whats your take?

[bigmack]

Why do you suppose businesses aren't hiring and expanding? They certainly have the money... whats your take?
He's already answerved that. He believes business & Corp America are out to sabotage his half-white hero.

He also thinks 7.2% and Hawaii...

In the knife drawer that is Pace Advantage (or whatever this place is called) he's one of the dullest.

[ArlJim78]

I was just thinking the other day, remember when presidents used to have cabinet meetings, or when they actually worked with the other party and members of congress? they would meet and hash out the broad strokes for agreements.

what about his blue ribbon debt commission? he blew them off too, all he wanted to hear was that taxes must be raised.

under Obama none of that happens, he doesn't lead, hell he doesn't even want to talk to people or listen. did you see him in the healthcare dog and pony show that they televised a few years ago? he sat up their bored stiff with a glazed look on his face basically smirking and glancing condescendingly at people like Paul Ryan. He's not a leader, he wants to be obeyed, end of story.

when I saw this story I had to post it because they guy is just absent from the scene. he's just too into himself.

he doesn't even go through the motions of holding those stupid phony meetings anymore, like his jobs council. it's all a big sham, he has no interest in taking anyones advice but his own.

Hopefully everyone is now clear on what a "community organizer" is. If that's what you want just drop the pretense and vote for the communist party. let's end the charade and call it like it is.

[Lefty]

In the first place, the economy is much better than when Obama took office. It was on the news yesterday that new housing starts were the highest in four years. Unemployment numbers have been going down all but four or five of the last 32 months. Private employment is up.

Obama never had a super majority. At the most the Dems had 59 Senate seats. That lasted about eight months until Kennedy died. The Democrats never had enough votes to overcome a Republican filibuster and Republicans filibustered a record number of bills.

mosty, you're a sad case. I bet you get tingles up your leg too.

A solar panel plant that had tens of millions of federal funding just closed here in Nevada.. Tell those people things are better. Americans will not fall for the b.s. in the numbers they once did.You can fool em once but I don't think obummer can fool enough of them twice.

[tbwinner]

It was on the news yesterday that new housing starts were the highest in four years.

New housing starts? Who cares! Check out the inventories, and the fact that permits fell too.

[acorn54]

Why do you suppose businesses aren't hiring and expanding? They certainly have the money... whats your take?


imo the reason is that ALL branches of government are inept. each side is too busy trying to make the other side look bad, hardly inspires confidence among businesses to take risks.

[Lefty]

Reagan and Bush proved that if you cut taxes and give enough incentives, those businesses will take the risk. But they're not going to take those risks now when obummer threatens to raise taxes and to put certain industries out of business.

[newtothegame]

Reagan and Bush proved that if you cut taxes and give enough incentives, those businesses will take the risk. But they're not going to take those risks now when obummer threatens to raise taxes and to put certain industries out of business.
Lefty, businesses should NOT take risk....I mean after all, they ddn't start those businesses, why should they take risk???? :lol:

[mostpost]

Wow, mosty, you just keep on with nonsense. Most of the states with Repub Guvs have less unemployment than the national average.
The twenty nine states with Republican governors have an average unemployment rate of 7.362. The twenty states with Democratic governors have a rate of 7.385. Hardly a difference worth bragging about. Rhode Island has an independent governor. He was previously a Republican. Rhode Island's rate is 11%

[mostpost]

mosty, you never learn. Tell Ronald Reagan that. He took a bad economy and turned around. Obama took a bad economy and made it worse. Why didn't he do the things you mentioned when he had a super majority? He not only made things worse he spent trillions doing it. Yet you still think he's right. Most sad.

Reagan took an average unemployment rare of 7.175 in 1980 and turned it around to 9.80 in 1982 and even higher in 1983. He took 267,000 jobs created in 1980 and improved that to 2,128,000 jobs lost in 1982. And he did all that while increasing the debt threefold.

And Obama never had a super majority. Try and get at least that straight. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

Fine is probably a bit strong. The private sector has added jobs for 22 straight months. On the other hand, thanks to Republican governors, the public sector has lost jobs in nine of the last eleven,

If only this were true! If only the public sector were run like the private one! If this were the case, what you describe would be called "trimming the fat" in the private sector. And this process makes for stronger, healthier, vibrant and more profitable businesses.

Boxcar

[elysiantraveller]

The twenty nine states with Republican governors have an average unemployment rate of 7.362. The twenty states with Democratic governors have a rate of 7.385. Hardly a difference worth bragging about. Rhode Island has an independent governor. He was previously a Republican. Rhode Island's rate is 11%

Take 2:

Why do you suppose businesses aren't hiring and expanding? They certainly have the money... whats your take?

[mostpost]

Take 2:

Why do you suppose businesses aren't hiring and expanding? They certainly have the money... whats your take?
There is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning; in the reasoning of all conservatives. Businesses do not expand just because they have the money. They don't expand until they have the need. They won't have the need until consumers start buying at a rate greater than the rate at which the business can provide the goods (or services). Consumers will not do that until they have jobs and are confident that they will not be losing those jobs. Of course it is also important that they are being paid enough at those jobs. Every time one of your goofy Republican governors institutes another round of budget cuts, it costs the economy many times than what was saved by eliminating a salary.

[elysiantraveller]

There is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning; in the reasoning of all conservatives. Businesses do not expand just because they have the money. They don't expand until they have the need. They won't have the need until consumers start buying at a rate greater than the rate at which the business can provide the goods (or services). Consumers will not do that until they have jobs and are confident that they will not be losing those jobs. Of course it is also important that they are being paid enough at those jobs. Every time one of your goofy Republican governors institutes another round of budget cuts, it costs the economy many times than what was saved by eliminating a salary.

So why aren't people buying anything?

[mostpost]

If only this were true! If only the public sector were run like the private one! If this were the case, what you describe would be called "trimming the fat" in the private sector. And this process makes for stronger, healthier, vibrant and more profitable businesses.

Boxcar

The idea that government should be run like a business is patently ridiculous. A business is run to make a profit. Government is run to provide services. Government should be run efficiently, but profit or loss should not be a consideration.

If a product line is not profitable, a business will drop that line. If the fire department is not profitable, should we let houses burn down? If the police department is not profitable should we let banks be robbed and people be shot in the streets? If the Department of Children and Family Services is not profitable should we allow children to be neglected and even murdered by their parents? If the Army isn't profitable should we allow Rookies and the rest of the Canadians to invade us and make us say "aboot" and "eh"?

[Saratoga_Mike]

So why aren't people buying anything?

There's too much leverage in the economy as a result of a 25 yr or so debt binge. It started in roughly 1983 and ended 2007/2008. Total debt to GDP is 350%, vs the long-term trend of approx 155%. Total consumer debt to GDP is roughly 90%, compared with the long-term trend of roughly 55%. I'd place the blame mostly on the Fed (namely Greenspan) and it's easy money policies. All that said, I believe a more business friendly president would be helpful.

[Lefty]

mosty, I just heard today's labor stats. 34,000 more unemployed as of last week. No to good, eh what?

Less people employed today that when obummer took office but 5 trillion more in debt. Wow, what a record. It's a recod to be proud of--if you're a Marxist.

[Lefty]

mosty, he got his healthcare bill passed and his stimulus passed. The R's couldn't stop him. That sounds like one hell of a majority to me.

[mostpost]

So why aren't people buying anything?
I answered that in the very post you quoted in #38

[acorn54]

So why aren't people buying anything?

henry ford was once asked by a newsreporter " henry, why do you pay your workers so well?, to which henry ford replied, " i pay my workers well so there is somebody to buy my cars".
years ago, the occupational outlook handbook said the future jobs creation in large part would be low paying service sector jobs, with cashiers, and stock clerks among the largest growth rates.
not much discretionary income among these workers.

[newtothegame]

The twenty nine states with Republican governors have an average unemployment rate of 7.362. The twenty states with Democratic governors have a rate of 7.385. Hardly a difference worth bragging about. Rhode Island has an independent governor. He was previously a Republican. Rhode Island's rate is 11%
WOW, so 49 of the 50 states have an average of under 7.39 %....RI being the lone standout at 11%. Now I may not be a math major, and I am sure someone will show me the flaw here....BUT, RI single handledly brought the national average to over 8%?????
Seems something is missing here in your numbers mosty..... :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

I answered that in the very post you quoted in #38

No you didn't... you said people are afraid of losing their jobs.

Companies are doing better than ever why would people be afraid of losing their jobs?

What you are saying doesn't gel. People are scared of losing their jobs but their companies are doing better than ever. Companies are doing better than ever but aren't hiring. These problems are one and the same...

There is tons of cash in this economy but none of it is being put to use. I want to hear your opinion on why that is.

[newtothegame]

There is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning; in the reasoning of all conservatives. Businesses do not expand just because they have the money. They don't expand until they have the need. They won't have the need until consumers start buying at a rate greater than the rate at which the business can provide the goods (or services). Consumers will not do that until they have jobs and are confident that they will not be losing those jobs. Of course it is also important that they are being paid enough at those jobs. Every time one of your goofy Republican governors institutes another round of budget cuts, it costs the economy many times than what was saved by eliminating a salary.
Actually mosty, it is YOUR freasoning that is flawed. Companies sitting on money is not a good thing for the company. Money NOT invested is wasted. Companies as a general rule do not like sitting on large reserves.
So, as you were asked, why?

[NJ Stinks]

So why aren't people buying anything?

Ely, if you were a cop, a firemen, a public school teacher, or a government employee, would you feel like this is a good time to buy or a good time to save? If you worked for a company that already down-sized a few times or a company that loves to outsource or hire temps, would you feel like this is a good time to buy or a good time to save?

Who exactly are all these consumers that supposed to be buying our way out of this recession if Obama would only get out of the way?

Face it, Ely, greed rules today. Businesses are making money and it ain't trickling down to most employees. Until people wake up and discover unions are not their enemy, nothing is going to change.

This ain't A Christmas Carol. Nobody is going visit Scrooge while he's sleeping. :rolleyes:

[newtothegame]

Ely, if you were a cop, a firemen, a public school teacher, or a government employee, would you feel like this is a good time to buy or a good time to save? If you worked for a company that already down-sized a few times or a company that loves to outsource or hire temps, would you feel like this is a good time to buy or a good time to save?

Who exactly are all these consumers that supposed to be buying our way out of this recession if Obama would only get out of the way?

Face it, Ely, greed rules today. Businesses are making money and it ain't trickling down to most employees. Until people wake up and discover unions are not their enemy, nothing is going to change.

This ain't A Christmas Carol. Nobody is going visit Scrooge while he's sleeping. :rolleyes:
Hmmm California (one of the bluest states ) would seem to argue with you.....
What's the count now Mack of cities in CA filing bankruptcy??
And, on the opposite side, Wisconsin seems to be growing again budget wise....and what did they do?

[elysiantraveller]

Ely, if you were a cop, a firemen, a public school teacher, or a government employee, would you feel like this is a good time to buy or a good time to save? If you worked for a company that already down-sized a few times or a company that loves to outsource or hire temps, would you feel like this is a good time to buy or a good time to save?

Who exactly are all these consumers that supposed to be buying our way out of this recession if Obama would only get out of the way?

Face it, Ely, greed rules today. Businesses are making money and it ain't trickling down to most employees. Until people wake up and discover unions are not their enemy, nothing is going to change.

This ain't A Christmas Carol. Nobody is going visit Scrooge while he's sleeping. :rolleyes:

If you remove all the partisan jabs and political perspective out of this post you have the real answer.

That answer is uncertainty and uncertainty usually stems from poor leadership.

[lsbets]

Until people wake up and discover unions are not their enemy, nothing is going to change.


Really?

California cities going broke every other day.

NYC, the most heavily coercive union city in the country, and the unemployment rate is over 10%.

Chicago - more murders there this year than soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

And then there is Detroit. There are third world cities in better shape than Detroit.

The only area with a lot of union workers that is thriving is Washington DC.

Hey, maybe that explains your feelings?

[NJ Stinks]

The only area with a lot of union workers that is thriving is Washington DC.

Hey, maybe that explains your feelings?

What explains my position is all the house foreclosures I see. What explains my position is how employee benefits are going the way of the white buffalo. What explains my position is employers who think outsourcing jobs, hiring part-timers, and temps is SOP.

The vast majority of households are barely getting by with at least two full-time workers in each household. Sooner or later people are going to figure out why unions were so popular in the past.

[newtothegame]

What explains my position is all the house foreclosures I see. What explains my position is how employee benefits are going the way of the white buffalo. What explains my position is employers who think outsourcing jobs, hiring part-timers, and temps is SOP.

The vast majority of households are barely getting by with at least two full-time workers in each household. Sooner or later people are going to figure out why unions were so popular in the past.
All of the above, more reasons not to give this clown in the WH ANOTHER four years......I can't even imagine what it would be like after another four.....
Ohhh wait, maybe all of us will be on food stamps!! :lol:

[Tom]

And then there is Detroit. There are third world cities in better shape than Detroit.

I used to go the Detroit when it was booming......there were STILL third world cities in better shape than Detroit!

[highnote]

I can't find the thread in which I posted some headlines from yesterday's yahoo finance page. There were a lot of positive headlines and the market was up.

Today, the market is down and there are a lot of negative headlines:

"The Little IPO that wasn't"

"The Falling Fortunes of the One Percent"

"Euro vs Dollar -- whose the Ugliest of All?"

"Dive off fiscal cliff could be huge hit to economy"

market sentiment seems to be reflected in the headlines.

[ArlJim78]

Obama Holds First Cabinet Meeting Since January (http://http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-holds-first-cabinet-meeting-january_648993.html)

Today, President Obama convened a meeting of his Cabinet to discuss the ideas he laid out in the State of the Union

what a leader, right on top of things.

[Tom]

What a joke of a man this POS is.
Almost as much of a joke as those who support him.
Who watches over all those little czars?
Or are they just allowed to run loose like bacteria, infecting the country with their poison?

[Lefty]

What about his newest Executive Order? It's A Pip...

[Tom]

Which one, Lefty, the one that benefit racist colleges?
Typical Black Man, to use his own words.
Typical.

[Lefty]

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/obama-issues-racist-executive-order/

This one, Tom