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fiveouttasix
06-21-2012, 08:58 AM
Cancelled Thursday's card due to extreme heat.

fiveouttasix
06-21-2012, 09:03 AM
expected 96 degrees at Belmont & only 68 degrees at Hollywood...go figure

OTM Al
06-21-2012, 09:09 AM
expected 96 degrees at Belmont & only 68 degrees at Hollywood...go figure

It's nasty out already. Fortunately this will pass by the weekend. Just hope we don't overload ConEd today.

Saratoga_Mike
06-21-2012, 09:11 AM
How could NYRA do this to the bettor? :rolleyes:

Cardus
06-21-2012, 09:12 AM
It's nasty out already. Fortunately this will pass by the weekend. Just hope we don't overload ConEd today.

I guess that we will have to turn off our computers today!

It is a good decision by NYRA. For me, it's not just the temperature by itself, but that it was 20 degrees cooler on Tuesday. Big adjustment for the horses, I suspect.

OTM Al
06-21-2012, 10:30 AM
I guess that we will have to turn off our computers today!

It is a good decision by NYRA. For me, it's not just the temperature by itself, but that it was 20 degrees cooler on Tuesday. Big adjustment for the horses, I suspect.

We got a notice at work yesterday to reduce power. Of course if they really wanted us to do that they could send us home......

I think it's all about adjusting to the temperature. Think that's a big reason why Calder based horses always do so well on their Summit of Speed card. Shippers have to be affected by the sudden oppressive heat and humidity in south Florida they are subject to.

forced89
06-21-2012, 11:11 AM
Why can they race in Texas in the heat and not in NY?

melman
06-21-2012, 11:20 AM
I'll bet the Yanks and Mets are happy they have a scheduled day off today. :)

highnote
06-21-2012, 11:21 AM
They could have moved up the start times to 9:00 AM and been done by noon.

I count 20 other tracks available for betting today. Who cares if nyra runs or not.

The only thing they have been good at running over the past 15 years is themselves into the ground.

Tom
06-21-2012, 11:26 AM
I think the problem for the horses is that they are not acclimated to the heat. It has not been all that hot here lately and the sudden switch can be a negative for them. I Florida and Texas, they have acclimated to hot all the time.

A 9 AM start time is not exactly convenient for those betting......especially if you live in California. As for running themselves into the ground, if that is what happened on Belmont Stakes Day, shovel some more dirt on me.

jerry-g
06-21-2012, 11:27 AM
The supreme s knew this long ago. We're having a heat wave. However,
here in Florida, 90's don't mean too much till they clock over 100.

Perhaps the track doesn't have too much of a first-aid station to
handle all the heat stroke and heat exhaustion that could occur. Is
that where they banned the "Big Gulp"?

MaTH716
06-21-2012, 11:35 AM
They could have moved up the start times to 9:00 AM and been done by noon.

I count 20 other tracks available for betting today. Who cares if nyra runs or not.

The only thing they have been good at running over the past 15 years is themselves into the ground.

Yeah, they are a bunch of horrible bastards. Can you believe canceling on a day when it's only gonna feel like 103? What a bunch of p***ies..........

melman
06-21-2012, 11:50 AM
Looks like Delaware Park is going to race. Under the same brutal conditions. A bad move on there part IMO.

cj
06-21-2012, 11:51 AM
Why can they race in Texas in the heat and not in NY?

Humidity for one, acclimatization for another.

NTamm1215
06-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Why can they race in Texas in the heat and not in NY?

For the same reason Sam Houston cancels when the temperatures are in the 20s.

cj
06-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Looks like Delaware Park is going to race. Under the same brutal conditions. A bad move on there part IMO.

Gotta make sure they hand out the welfare checks.

melman
06-21-2012, 12:02 PM
cj--They can get all that money and still not race today. 95% of there business is at the casino.

castaway01
06-21-2012, 12:03 PM
Looks like Delaware Park is going to race. Under the same brutal conditions. A bad move on there part IMO.

Are they really? That is brutal---hot as hell (or as close as I hope to get to it) out there.

cj
06-21-2012, 12:09 PM
cj--They can get all that money and still not race today. 95% of there business is at the casino.

I know where they get it, but they have to give some of it to the horsemen. Those guys aren't going to pass up the welfare check for something like concerns about the horses!

Robert Goren
06-21-2012, 12:22 PM
They do this every year. They have a word for when it is hot and humid. That word is summer. As other people have pointed out, they run in worse else where. New Yorkers are such wimps!

cj
06-21-2012, 12:26 PM
They do this every year. They have a word for when it is hot and humid. That word is summer. As other people have pointed out, they run in worse else where. New Yorkers are such wimps!

I'm on the East Coast now, doing some traveling. I live in Oklahoma City. You know, the place that set records for 100+ degree days last year. It was like 60 of them. I know something about heat. That said, I can say this about today...it is freaking hot and humid here today. I wouldn't spend much time outside, it wouldn't be wise. I run most days, and I wouldn't even consider it today.

MickJ26
06-21-2012, 12:29 PM
With the heat index, it's expected to be 105+ and I'm not talking about Beyers.

MaTH716
06-21-2012, 12:30 PM
They do this every year. They have a word for when it is hot and humid. That word is summer. As other people have pointed out, they run in worse else where. New Yorkers are such wimps!

Does anyone remember all the heat (no pun intended) that NYRA got when horses (many of them cheap claimers) were breaking down at Aqueduct over the winter? All the articles leading to the state getting involved.
It's absolutely brutal out there today, could you imagine the negative fallout if any of there were any heat related inncidents.

Saratoga_Mike
06-21-2012, 12:35 PM
I know where they get it, but they have to give some of it to the horsemen. Those guys aren't going to pass up the welfare check for something like concerns about the horses!

That's very unfair. I may agree with you that slots are not a long-term solution for racing, but that doesn't mean the Delaware horsemen don't care about the horses. I'm surprised to see you post such a thing.

turninforhome10
06-21-2012, 12:35 PM
How many people that are complaining about the cancellation, ever to had rescue a horse while they are heat stroking. When running in IA, I would volunteer when not running to stand by 5 full garbage cans of ice water ready to start dumping. A heat stroking horse is very dangerous for everyone involved.
The can completely flip out, hurt themselves or their handlers. It is not pretty at all and in this case completely avoidable.
Here is nice abstract explaining equine heat regulation. The abstract completely coincides with NYRA's decision. Good call. Stay cool and stay safe.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9561690

jerry-g
06-21-2012, 12:36 PM
The WEATHER channel talks about it.

weather channe (http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/heat-builds-northeast-20120618)l

Dahoss9698
06-21-2012, 12:39 PM
They could have moved up the start times to 9:00 AM and been done by noon.

I count 20 other tracks available for betting today. Who cares if nyra runs or not.

The only thing they have been good at running over the past 15 years is themselves into the ground.

Were you crying as you typed this out?

cj
06-21-2012, 12:42 PM
I know where they get it, but they have to give some of it to the horsemen. Those guys aren't going to pass up the welfare check for something like concerns about the horses!

That's very unfair. I may agree with you that slots are not a long-term solution for racing, but that doesn't mean the Delaware horsemen don't care about the horses. I'm surprised to see you post such a thing.

Well, they are running in oppressive heat. Lets see how many scratch.

rastajenk
06-21-2012, 12:42 PM
With the heat index, it's expected to be 105+ and I'm not talking about Beyers.Expect an adjustment to the variant in a few days, cause, you know, the Heat Index Boys will backfit the data to fit their agenda. :p

Tom
06-21-2012, 12:45 PM
They do this every year. They have a word for it. That word is SMART. As other people have pointed out, they run in worse else where when the horses are acclimated to the conditions. New Yorkers are such smart people to recognize what is good for the horses on their grounds!


FTFY

Robert Goren
06-21-2012, 12:57 PM
We had your weather on sun-tues here. Mid 90s and dew points around 70. I will say this much, we probably had more wind (20-30mph from the south) from what I have seen on the internet weather sites. I hope you get our cool down. It is 74 and dew point of 53 here right now(noon). No breeze though.

Beachbabe
06-21-2012, 12:59 PM
Well, they are running in oppressive heat. Lets see how many scratch.


12 scratches in 8 thoroughbred races.
4 five-horse fields & 2 six-horse fields after scratches.

cj
06-21-2012, 01:01 PM
12 scratches in 8 thoroughbred races.
4 five-horse fields & 2 six-horse fields after scratches.

So a few care.

BlueShoe
06-21-2012, 02:20 PM
We have had this discussion before, but once again, think that Easterners are a bunch of sissy wimps. We Westerners do not whine about the weather, we race and endure the discomfort, as do the Florida and Texas horsemen. Today is the first day of the California Fair Circuit, and while it will be only in the high 70's today at Pleasanton, many days this summer will be in the 90's with a few over 100. Have been at Fairplex and even Oaktree many a day in the 90's, and an occasional 100 degree day, and still racing went on as scheduled.

jerry-g
06-21-2012, 02:24 PM
I think it is a safety issue. As a nurse once said to me, "Let's error on
the side of caution and not take a chance on killing the patient."
Safety issues have to be at the top of the list for today. They may
be wrong but better to be safe I think.

Saratoga_Mike
06-21-2012, 02:25 PM
But the racing must go on at Pleasanton!

Tom
06-21-2012, 02:26 PM
Yes, and the key here is you have the hot weather more consistently then we do. Your horses are acclimated. When we have long spells of hot weather, we run, too. It has NOT been that warm here lately.

And the races were not cancelled because the people are sissies, but for concern for the horses. So I guess our horses are sissies. :rolleyes:

OTM Al
06-21-2012, 02:28 PM
We have had this discussion before, but once again, think that Easterners are a bunch of sissy wimps. We Westerners do not whine about the weather, we race and endure the discomfort, as do the Florida and Texas horsemen. Today is the first day of the California Fair Circuit, and while it will be only in the high 70's today at Pleasanton, many days this summer will be in the 90's with a few over 100. Have been at Fairplex and even Oaktree many a day in the 90's, and an occasional 100 degree day, and still racing went on as scheduled.

Of course it did because the temps had ramped up normally for that time a year and the horses had gotten used to working, training and running in it gradually. It was mid 70s here just a couple days ago. In August there will many a day in the 90s here and they will run without question. Takes animals time to adjust a bit don't you think?

the little guy
06-21-2012, 02:30 PM
Wait a second....there are people here criticizing NYRA for cancelling today...and they aren't kidding?

Remarkable.

Tom
06-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you ran today, and a horse dropped dead of a heart attack, the NY Times would put out a special edition on the heartless NYRA bastards running animals into the ground.

BlueShoe
06-21-2012, 02:39 PM
Wait a second....there are people here criticizing NYRA for cancelling today...and they aren't kidding?
Even worse, for those of us that will endure TVG that means meaningless British racing and even more chatter from the hosts, since Belmont is one of their "A" tracks. :eek: :rolleyes:

Robert Goren
06-21-2012, 02:55 PM
Wait a second....there are people here criticizing NYRA for cancelling today...and they aren't kidding?

Remarkable.If they would have had the same weather conditions on Belmont Stakes day, would they have canceled?

duncan04
06-21-2012, 02:57 PM
If they would have had the same weather conditions on Belmont Stakes day, would they have canceled?

You are comparing a major stakes day to an average weekday race card? Tracks occasionally cancel due to heat for the safety of all involved.

FantasticDan
06-21-2012, 03:04 PM
Wait a second...there are people here criticizing NYRA for cancelling today..and they aren't kidding? Remarkable.I too am stunned to see a couple horseplayers bitching on a forum that revolves around.. horseplayers bitching :p :D

Robert Goren
06-21-2012, 03:22 PM
You are comparing a major stakes day to an average weekday race card? Tracks occasionally cancel due to heat for the safety of all involved.So the safety of the horses running on a major stakes day doesn't matter? If it is safe to run to on Belmont day, it is safe to run on an average weekday. If it is not safe to run on the average weekday, then it is not safe to run on Belmont day.

iceknight
06-21-2012, 03:25 PM
We have had this discussion before, but once again, think that Easterners are a bunch of sissy wimps.name calling isnt going to get you anywhere. Maybe you should learn English first and look up the word Acclimatization.

And, for the record, the first place I lived in US was Goleta CA for 3 years.

highnote
06-21-2012, 03:27 PM
Were you crying as you typed this out?


Actually, I was kind of laughing. That last line of mine wasn't too bad. :D

PhantomOnTour
06-21-2012, 03:31 PM
It sucks that they're not racing today, but it doesn't suck as bad as racing today and losing a few horses to the heat.

The NYRA made the right call...as others have already pointed out...the NY Times would have a field day if a horse were injured or put down because of the heat.

Yeah, so some of us wasted our time handicapping the card last night.
Well cry me a river, build yourself a bridge and get over it.

MaTH716
06-21-2012, 03:31 PM
So the safety of the horses running on a major stakes day doesn't matter? If it is safe to run to on Belmont day, it is safe to run on an average weekday. If it is not safe to run on the average weekday, then it is not safe to run on Belmont day.

I would think that there are a lot more moving parts to Belmont Day versus the average raceday (TV, Connections, tourists, etc...) that would have forced them to race.
Just like the BC at Monmouth, Fridays card (maybe even Saturday) would have most likely been cancelled due to the amount of rain if it was a normal raceday.

Canarsie
06-21-2012, 03:32 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you ran today, and a horse dropped dead of a heart attack, the NY Times would put out a special edition on the heartless NYRA bastards running animals into the ground.


Spot on and to think not a single voice of concern for the jockeys truly amazes me.

I am beginning to lose faith in the human race. The mere thought that someone would want to gamble and possibly or PROBABLY cause harm to both the horses and the jockeys astonishes me.

My hunch is NYRA also consulted the jockeys maybe TLG could add something to this.

Let me pose another question to those criticizing NYRA. Would you take your beloved pet out for a half hour walk in this weather or wait till it cools down.

highnote
06-21-2012, 03:33 PM
If they would have had the same weather conditions on Belmont Stakes day, would they have canceled?


Totally agree. I was at Belmont a few years ago -- the Smarty Jones year???

And it was easily as hot as today. In fact, it was so hot no one was sitting in the crappy, fiberglass, overpriced temporary seats nyra installed and I bought because a friend was visiting from out of town. Everyone in the whole section stayed indoors in the air conditioning. Too bad the horses running that day weren't afforded that luxury.

mrhorseplayer
06-21-2012, 03:33 PM
Did Churchill run last week when it was hotter then NY today?

Robert Fischer
06-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Let me pose another question to those criticizing NYRA. Would you take your beloved pet out for a half hour walk in this weather or wait till it cools down.

that's different...
those pets are "part of the family" :bang:

highnote
06-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Did Churchill run last week when it was hotter then NY today?


What would the temperature have to be before CD canceled a running of the KY Derby? I'm sure there is a point at which they would cancel -- but how high?

Saratoga_Mike
06-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Totally agree. I was at Belmont a few years ago -- the Smarty Jones year???

And it was easily as hot as today. In fact, it was so hot no one was sitting in the crappy, fiberglass, overpriced temporary seats nyra installed and I bought because a friend was visiting from out of town. Everyone in the whole section stayed indoors in the air conditioning. Too bad the horses running that day weren't afforded that luxury.

If you really felt this way, why did you attend? Shouldn't you have stayed away in protest?

Robert Fischer
06-21-2012, 03:35 PM
NYRA is considered to be a class act.

Today they were. :ThmbUp:

cj
06-21-2012, 03:37 PM
Did Churchill run last week when it was hotter then NY today?

That doesn't appear to be true to me. The highest temperature in Louisville during racing last week was 90. It has soared to 91 this week.

duncan04
06-21-2012, 03:38 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Its hot and they decided to cancel. There are other tracks running and hopefully Belmont is back running tomorrow.

MaTH716
06-21-2012, 03:49 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Its hot and they decided to cancel. There are other tracks running and hopefully Belmont is back running tomorrow.

Some people just like to bitch. They're probably the same ones who would have been leading the crusade against NYRA if they decided to run and 3 horses dropped dead from heat stroke.

the little guy
06-21-2012, 03:55 PM
Some people just like to bitch. They're probably the same ones who would have been leading the crusade against NYRA if they decided to run and 3 horses dropped dead from heat stroke.


Exactly.