Racing still alive and well at the shore

[KingChas]

Monmouth Park 27,532 attendance 6/17/12.
Fathers Day-yes.
No give aways.
The place was packed every bit of 27k+ people in attendance.
Felt like the old days....................... ;)

http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=6094

[the little guy]

Belmont Attendance 12,488

Belmont Handle ( On-track ) 2,060,835

Number of races - 10


Monmouth Attendance 27,532

Monmouth Handle ( On-Track ) 1,084,225

Number of Races - 12

[PhantomOnTour]

What does this thread have to do with Belmont?

[lamboguy]

i was going to post something similar to him too. at least the people showed up to monmouth with a lesser card.

the handle and attendance numbers for Belmont are nothing short of a disgrace either. its really nothing to brag about.

those poor numbers have more to do with the state of the game itself than the race tracks.

Cuomo is claiming that he is going to bring back racing single handed. that remains to be seen.

[jelly]

Monmouth pick-4 takeout 15%


New York pick-4 takeout 24%

[the little guy]

the handle and attendance numbers for Belmont are nothing short of a disgrace either.




Oh boy.

[Tom]

Players go to Belmont.
Picnicers got to Monmouth.

[JBmadera]

Monmouth Park 27,532 attendance 6/17/12.
Fathers Day-yes.
No give aways.
The place was packed every bit of 27k+ people in attendance.
Felt like the old days....................... ;)

http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=6094

Excellent! I'm all for sharing good news......:ThmbUp:

[lamboguy]

Oh boy.
don't worry about it, help is on its way. i plan on showing up to the island on June 27 and plan on helping out the handle there that day.

[acorn54]

there was a short piece in newsday, a long island paper about a brooklyn cabbie who has been going to the new york tracks for the past forty years. he is 53 and he said he is the last generation of race goers, he said the kids in the twenty's and thirties don't come to racetrack.
i think the piece was in newsday the friday before the belmont stakes.

[NTamm1215]

The article forgot to include handle figures for the day. That's probably because they were down 14% from Father's Day 2011.

[KingChas]

Players go to Belmont.
Picnicers got to Monmouth.

Funny Tom,Monmouth Park did have a kind of Saratoga-est atmosphere yesterday.

Can you eat clam chowder,have a few adult beverages, and be a player at the same time?
I can................................. ;)

PS;TLG thanks for the 8 in the 8th at Belmont .Caught your picks on the simulcast screen at Monmouth on way in to betting windows threw a token bet on him..........Nice Fathers Day gift from you..................... :ThmbUp:

[davew]

I suspect something is off about those Monmouth numbers.


If correct, that is less than $40 / attendence in the pools. Were there lots of families with a bunch of little kids running around?

[KingChas]

Were there lots of families with a bunch of little kids running around?

Most definately it was Father's Day.
Lot of newbies the guy next to me was reading the running lines in the program backwards which led him to believing the pp was the finish of the race-helped him with that....I think.... :D

But hey hasn't this been what we have been bitching about for years.
New horseracing players and fans in the future?
Have to start somewhere.
Ya never know.

[iceknight]

Most definately it was Father's Day.
believing the pp was the finish of the race- You mean it is NOT?? :eek:

[Karakiozis]

Belmont Attendance 12,488

Belmont Handle ( On-track ) 2,060,835

Number of races - 10


Monmouth Attendance 27,532

Monmouth Handle ( On-Track ) 1,084,225

Number of Races - 12

TLG Are you bragging about N.Y racing?

[Dahoss9698]

TLG Are you bragging about N.Y racing?

You should go off on one of your Ramon Dominguez tangents. Those were always entertaining.

[duncan04]

Monmouth Park 27,532 attendance 6/17/12.
Fathers Day-yes.
No give aways.
The place was packed every bit of 27k+ people in attendance.
Felt like the old days....................... ;)

http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=6094

Well thats great. Lets see if it keeps up before saying its alive and well.

[KingChas]

Well thats great. Lets see if it keeps up before saying its alive and well.

You are correct,but with 27 thousand people showing up for a regular Sunday card shows that the racetracks are still at least thought of as a place to visit and enjoy.

Let me add my thread was not to diss any other tracks,I enjoy NY racing myself.
I thought the thread would be just a better story than the recent onslaught of threads claiming the death of horseracing in America is near.

[Saratoga_Mike]

You should go off on one of your Ramon Dominguez tangents. Those were always entertaining.

Come on, you really want the Sage to chime in!

[KingChas]

You mean it is NOT?? :eek:

pp=post position............... :lol:

[castaway01]

I suspect something is off about those Monmouth numbers.


If correct, that is less than $40 / attendence in the pools. Were there lots of families with a bunch of little kids running around?

Yes, Monmouth is one of the few tracks that still has families there on the weekends. I won't argue that's it been an appealing product to bet on this year because to me it hasn't been, but it's nice that 27,000 people actually entered a racetrack on such a beautiful day. To me, it's only a positive for the future, bleak as it may otherwise be for horse racing as everyone will soon remind us.

[Karakiozis]

You should go off on one of your Ramon Dominguez tangents. Those were always entertaining.


You NYRA people can keep Ramon.D. we @ Monmouth have Jersey Joe and the great Brad Thomas.

[MaTH716]

You NYRA people can keep Ramon.D. we @ Monmouth have Jersey Joe and the great Brad Thomas.
Brad Thomas is indeed very good.
On the other hand, your Ramon vs Joe Bravo comparison is no bueno. :ThmbDown:

[gm10]

Monmouth Park 27,532 attendance 6/17/12.
Fathers Day-yes.
No give aways.
The place was packed every bit of 27k+ people in attendance.
Felt like the old days....................... ;)

http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=6094

Good to hear. I visited MTH when the BC was being held there, I thought it was a very nice track.

[Karakiozis]

Brad Thomas is indeed very good.
On the other hand, your Ramon vs Joe Bravo comparison is no bueno. :ThmbDown:


Jersey.Joe is the king @ Monmouth:ThmbUp:

[onefast99]

Jersey.Joe is the king @ Monmouth:ThmbUp:
Once Jersey Joe leaves NJ his win stats take a nose dive.

[Karakiozis]

[QUOTE=onefast99]Once Jersey Joe leaves NJ his win stats take a nose dive.[/QUOTE

True.

[PaceAdvantage]

there was a short piece in newsday, a long island paper about a brooklyn cabbie who has been going to the new york tracks for the past forty years. he is 53 and he said he is the last generation of race goers, he said the kids in the twenty's and thirties don't come to racetrack.
i think the piece was in newsday the friday before the belmont stakes.They've been saying the same thing since the days of Ruffian and beyond...

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

Used to enjoy the trips to Monmouth Park..the last few years before the three day week format it was like a ghost town during the week.

[melman]

They've been saying the same thing since the days of Ruffian and beyond...
And "they" have been right. There are very few tracks left that attrack a crowd. I'm sure that you PA do not dispute the facts posted by JeffP or DeanT showing that total betting on horse racing has dropped year after year after year. In my state of Penna or in Delaware the tracks are open only because of money from slot machines. The parking lots at PARX and Delaware Park are crowded, with casino players. I am not one who says racing will die off but that it will change. It will have to.

[David-LV]

Players go to Belmont.
Picnickers got to Monmouth.

So ??
Is it not the idea to get people out to the track ?
Some picnickers sooner or later become players also.
Monmouth clean race track with good food at reasonable prices.
Belmont not so clean and $4.00 dollar hot dogs on their very limited menu.

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David-LV

[the little guy]

So ??
Is it not the idea to get people out to the track ?
Some picnickers sooner or later become players also.
Monmouth clean race track with good food at reasonable prices.
Belmont not so clean and $4.00 dollar hot dogs on their very limited menu.

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David-LV

Really? Have you been to both tracks recently?

[David-LV]

Brad Thomas is indeed very good.
On the other hand, your Ramon vs Joe Bravo comparison is no bueno. :ThmbDown:

Jersey Joe great turf rider!!!
Ramon not bad either!!!
Either of them will get the job done when sitting on the best horse in a race.

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David-LV

[MaTH716]

So ??
Is it not the idea to get people out to the track ?
Some picnickers sooner or later become players also.
Monmouth clean race track with good food at reasonable prices.
Belmont not so clean and $4.00 dollar hot dogs on their very limited menu.

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David-LV

What's that mean?
IMO Belmont is beautiful facility and I wish I could make it out there more often. I believe that they have redone the food court on the 3rd floor. There is Mexican option, Pizza, Nathans and a deli type place. And from what I remember they were reasonably priced (Belmont day aside). Now if they could only do something about the Belt Parkway.

[David-LV]

Really? Have you been to both tracks recently?

Yes I have and I much prefer the atmosphere of Monmouth but I really love Belmont's turf racing.

And both Brad Thomas and you really know your stuff.

So like all things we have pluses and minuses for both tracks.

A good coat of paint would not hurt at Belmont either.

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David-LV

[NTamm1215]

So ??
Is it not the idea to get people out to the track ?
Some picnickers sooner or later become players also.
Monmouth clean race track with good food at reasonable prices.
Belmont not so clean and $4.00 dollar hot dogs on their very limited menu.

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David-LV

What part of Belmont is not clean?

[David-LV]

What's that mean?
IMO Belmont is beautiful facility and I wish I could make it out there more often. I believe that they have redone the food court on the 3rd floor. There is Mexican option, Pizza, Nathans and a deli type place. And from what I remember they were reasonably priced (Belmont day aside). Now if they could only do something about the Belt Parkway.

Why should they rape you on food prices on Belmont day, is it not a day to put our best foot forward and try to bring new players into the game?

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David-LV

[PhantomOnTour]

You NYers sure have a chip on your shoulder.

Guy starts a thread about a nice day at Mth and the NY guys get butt hurt for some reason.
Why? :confused:

[David-LV]

What's that mean?
IMO Belmont is beautiful facility and I wish I could make it out there more often. I believe that they have redone the food court on the 3rd floor. There is Mexican option, Pizza, Nathans and a deli type place. And from what I remember they were reasonably priced (Belmont day aside). Now if they could only do something about the Belt Parkway.

Have you been to Aqueduct lately is that not a part of New York Racing also?
The place is falling apart.

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David-LV

[MaTH716]

Why should they rape you on food prices on Belmont day, is it not a day to put our best foot forward and try to bring new players into the game?

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David-LV

It's buisness, supply and demand. When else during the year are they going to get 70k people at the track? Besides there were many options there Belmont day that were fairly priced.
I think they did put their best foot forward. It was a very fun crowd/atmosphere there on Belmont Day. Hopefully some of the people that made it out there on Belmont Day will go back.

So what did you mean about Belmont not being clean?

[Tom]

So ??
Is it not the idea to get people out to the track ?
No, it is to get them to wager.
Some picnickers sooner or later become players also. Name 5.
Monmouth clean race track with good food at reasonable prices.
Belmont not so clean and $4.00 dollar hot dogs on their very limited menu.

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David-LV

Per capita wagering that day....not good.
Too much potato salad?

[the little guy]

Yes I have and I much prefer the atmosphere of Monmouth but I really love Belmont's turf racing.

And both Brad Thomas and you really know your stuff.

So like all things we have pluses and minuses for both tracks.

A good coat of paint would not hurt at Belmont either.

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David-LV


When is recently?

[Tom]

Also, on a big day, the COST to put on the show rise tremendously.
The indicator of was the price too high is did they throw away very many dogs at the end of the day? If they ran out, they were priced too low.
Try $5 next year. Beside, with far people toting picnic baskets than racing forms, I guess the dogs were never going to lure many new faces anyways, unless you pack a terrible lunch and drove them away from your table.

:rolleyes:

[MaTH716]

Have you been to Aqueduct lately is that not a part of New York Racing also?
The place is falling apart.

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David-LV

I haven't been to Aqueduct since the renovation so I can't answer honestly. When I was there before the renovations, obviously there were some issues. But I thought that Equestris Restauraunt was a very nice place to eat and spend the day. I am hoping to make it out there this winter.

[MaTH716]

You NYers sure have a chip on your shoulder.

Guy starts a thread about a nice day at Mth and the NY guys get butt hurt for some reason.
Why? :confused:

No chip, I live 20 minutes from Monmouth, it's a great place to spend the day.
But the poster made a foolish claim about Belmont not being clean and I'm just curious when and where did he see that.

[David-LV]

I haven't been to Aqueduct since the renovation so I can't answer honestly. When I was there before the renovations, obviously there were some issues. But I thought that Equestris Restauraunt was a very nice place to eat and spend the day. I am hoping to make it out there this winter.

The renovations are great if you play the slot machines, for the horse player not so great, a real toilet.

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David-LV

[David-LV]

No chip, I live 20 minutes from Monmouth, it's a great place to spend the day.
But the poster made a foolish claim about Belmont not being clean and I'm just curious when and where did he see that.

Maybe I used the wrong word, let's change it to it could use some sprucing up. I don't think a paint brush has been in the place in years.

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David-LV

[MaTH716]

The renovations are great if you play the slot machines, for the horse player not so great, a real toilet.

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David-LV

I take it that you were out there recently?
Like I said, I haven't been there since Eskendereya won the Wood and clearly the place needed some work.

[NTamm1215]

Getting 27k people on track is phenomenal. In fact, Monmouth has a long tradition of getting great crowds out to the track.

The problem is the 27k that showed up this year on Father's Day bet almost 80k less than the 27k that showed up last year on Father's Day.

Monmouth is having a dreadful meet. Their total handle through the first 16 days of this meet is down 15% from last year. This is with nearly perfect weather. Attendance is up just over 10% but on-track handle is down almost 8% (which makes you wonder just how made up those attendance numbers are).

[castaway01]

Getting 27k people on track is phenomenal. In fact, Monmouth has a long tradition of getting great crowds out to the track.

The problem is the 27k that showed up this year on Father's Day bet almost 80k less than the 27k that showed up last year on Father's Day.

Monmouth is having a dreadful meet. Their total handle through the first 16 days of this meet is down 15% from last year. This is with nearly perfect weather. Attendance is up just over 10% but on-track handle is down almost 8% (which makes you wonder just how made up those attendance numbers are).

Lots of five- and six-horse fields are the main problem...I think it's a less attractive product this year so people are hanging out and enjoying the weather but not betting as much money. The simulcast crowd is obviously less interested as well.

[David-LV]

Lots of five- and six-horse fields are the main problem...I think it's a less attractive product this year so people are hanging out and enjoying the weather but not betting as much money. The simulcast crowd is obviously less interested as well.

Small fields equals less handle.
Just look what small fields have done to the racing schedule and handle in California.

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David-LV

[MaTH716]

Lots of five- and six-horse fields are the main problem...I think it's a less attractive product this year so people are hanging out and enjoying the weather but not betting as much money. The simulcast crowd is obviously less interested as well.

I think it's more of a quality (lack there of) issue, than a quantity issue.

Friday they ran 10 races, there was 1- 6 horse field (3 scratches) and 1- 5 horse field (1 scratch) but they averaged 7.5 horses a race. Without the scratches they would have averaged near 8 horses a race.

Saturday was a 12 card day, they had 4- 6 horse fields (3 of those races had scratches of 3,2,2). They averaged 7.8 horses per race with the scratches and would have been at 8.25 horses without the scratches.

Sunday was 12 races as well. There was 1- 6 horse field (1 scratch) and 1- 5 horse field (3 scratches). They averaged 7.7 horses with and would have been over 8 horses a race without the scratches.

[alhattab]

Getting 27k people on track is phenomenal. In fact, Monmouth has a long tradition of getting great crowds out to the track.

The problem is the 27k that showed up this year on Father's Day bet almost 80k less than the 27k that showed up last year on Father's Day.

Monmouth is having a dreadful meet. Their total handle through the first 16 days of this meet is down 15% from last year. This is with nearly perfect weather. Attendance is up just over 10% but on-track handle is down almost 8% (which makes you wonder just how made up those attendance numbers are).

NTamm I've been curious about the numbers but haven't seen any reporting of them. What is your source? Thanks much

[David-LV]

NTamm I've been curious about the numbers but haven't seen any reporting of them. What is your source? Thanks much

Just in case that NTamm is not online.

This comes from the Monmouth Park Website:

27,532 Watch Le Bernardin Score in Pegasus Stakes; Inspired Wins Father's Day Fort Monmouth

Sunday, June 17, 2012

http://www.monmouthpark.com/uploadedImages/LeBernardin_PegasusStks_1_300x.jpg (http://www.monmouthpark.com/uploadedImages/LeBernardin_PegasusStks_1_300x.jpg)



Oceanport, N.J. –Le Bernardin dug in down the lane to gamely capture the Grade 3 $100,000 Pegasus Stakes as Inspired posted a front-running score in the $60,000 Fort Monmouth Stakes at Monmouth Park on Sunday before a record Father’s Day crowd of 27,532.

“Monmouth Park has certainly stamped itself the place to be on Father’s Day,” said Bob Kulina, president of Darby Development LLC, operators of the racetrack. “We are thankful for the great crowd that came out to the races and enjoyed a terrific afternoon of family fun and racing. We can only hope to continue to build on this great success for years to come.”


http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=6094




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David-LV

[NTamm1215]

NTamm I've been curious about the numbers but haven't seen any reporting of them. What is your source? Thanks much

Straight off the Equibase charts and verified through the tote system.

As is often the case, when you're not hearing anything, it's generally not good.

[sammy the sage]

The article forgot to include handle figures for the day. That's probably because they were down 14% from Father's Day 2011.

yep...THIS is THE crucile point :bang:

[onefast99]

Now that school is over I would bet that the crowds and handle increase at MP. 27k is a great number to have at the track. Haskell day may get 50k with the big name horses that are due to race there.

[arno]

I would love to see what the handle was for the last race on Father's Day compared to the first race.
I even wonder how many stayed to see the feature.
At Monmouth they arrive early (1130) and leave early.
Many are gone by the 5th race.


The simulcast players would rather play an early track (Parx, Del) than a later classier circuit (S. Cal). I guess they don't want to drive home in the dark as they want to beat the shore traffic on the Garden State.

Del Mar's thinking the family goes to beach and than can go to track as they have 2 o'clock local post time.

People don't go to the track than the shore so why not get drastic and have first post at noon?

The last few years we used to bet (http://#) the over under on scratches. The figure was usually 20. That has to stop as that's not fair to the handicappers.

Fort Monmouth, the largest employee of county closed. Many moved and there were many in their 60s who went to the trac,k not many 20 year olds are at Monmouth Park.

These observations are made by me who until I moved to Florida last year was a regular at Monmouth.

Regular = 250/300 times a year. And no the handle has not dropped because of my absence.

I wonder if my seat has been taken in first floor telethearte Seat 93.

[NTamm1215]

I would love to see what the handle was for the last race on Father's Day compared to the first race.
I even wonder how many stayed to see the feature.
At Monmouth they arrive early (1130) and leave early.
Many are gone by the 5th race.


The simulcast players would rather play an early track (Parx, Del) than a later classier circuit (S. Cal). I guess they don't want to drive home in the dark as they want to beat the shore traffic on the Garden State.

Del Mar's thinking the family goes to beach and than can go to track as they have 2 o'clock local post time.

People don't go to the track than the shore so why not get drastic and have first post at noon?

The last few years we used to bet (http://#) the over under on scratches. The figure was usually 20. That has to stop as that's not fair to the handicappers.

Fort Monmouth, the largest employee of county closed. Many moved and there were many in their 60s who went to the trac,k not many 20 year olds are at Monmouth Park.

These observations are made by me who until I moved to Florida last year was a regular at Monmouth.

Regular = 250/300 times a year. And no the handle has not dropped because of my absence.

I wonder if my seat has been taken in first floor telethearte Seat 93.

These are the total handle numbers for the 1st and 12th.

Race 1 - Field of 7
WPS - $64,487
Ex - $63,822
Tri - $41,030
Super - $19,610
DD - $38,368

Race 12 - Field of 10
WPS - $114,306
Ex - $85,568
Tri - $56,010
Super - $42,157

I actually think your thoughts are a little backwards. The amount of money in play nationwide for Monmouth's 12th race greatly exceeds that of the 1st. For example, races 2-12 were simulcasted in California, where the first race was run at 9:45 AM.

Del Mar can start at 2:00 because of the relaxed atmosphere. They also compete less with Saratoga starting at that time. It works for them.

[Al Gobbi]

Monmouth does itself no favors by running marathon cards that they don't have enough horses to fill to make it bettable.

[badcompany]

Give credit where it's due. 27k is impressive. Just shows horseracing can still work in small doses as a recreational activity, not so much so as a year 'round gambling vehicle.

[arno]

I was talking on track handle as the thread was
about how impressive their attendance was.