Belmont Selections

[iceknight]

Post it here whether you like favorites or longshots!

:11: I'll Have Another
:9: Paynter
:5: Dullahan
:1: Street Life or :3: Union Rags

[canleakid]

:11: , :9: , :5: box ex. & tri.

:1: , :2: for the super

[Smarty Cide]

$10 Win Bets, :2: :4: :6: :7: :8: :12:

[beefas]

....$20.00 tri- #:5: #:9: #:4: ..$100.00 win bet on # :4: .. :)

[Figaro]

Pretty new to multi-races wagering. Who can come up with a really inexpensive, but winning Pick 3 or Pick 4 ticket for us here? Too bad Belmont isn't like Woodbine where we now have 20 cent Pick 3 and Pick 4's. :cool:

[sovereign]

10-cent Super:
:2: :10: /:2: :3: :5: :10: :11: /:2: :3: :5: :10: :11: /:2: :3: :5: :10: :11:

$20 Win on :2: :10:
$5 ExBox: :2: :10:
$2 ExKey: :2: /:3: :5: :11:
$2 ExKey: :10: /:3: :5: :11:

[Bettowin]

Post it here whether you like favorites or longshots!

:11: I'll Have Another
:9: Paynter
:5: Dullahan
:1: Street Life or :3: Union Rags

Boxing those 5 in the tri and super. Hope IHA runs out but if not probably cash both tickets and make a little money. Will though bet healthy tri and super with Dullahan and IHA in top two spots and Paynter UR and Street Life in the bottom spots.

Just don't see much in the race beyond these 5.

[Bettowin]

One thing to ponder is if it ends up where a horse freaks and IHA is obviously beat with a couple hundred yards to go will the jockey wrap him up and call it a good run or will he keep him running all out to get 2nd or 3rd? Could see a lot of money being made in the tri and super if that happens.

[Striker]

:5: Dullahan on top of
:11: IHA

[peeptoad]

exacta box :1: :4: :5: :9: :11:
w/s :4:

...or something like that. I only just downloaded the pps.

[fmhealth]

I'm putting a show bet on everyone EXCEPT IHA. If he runs OTM prices could be most generous. This strategy worked in the "Big Brown" Belmont.

Should be an exciting day. Best of luck to all fellow 'cappers!!!

[5k-claim]

:11:
:5:

No box.

Dale Romans is a fantastic representative of trainers to the media. I like him a lot. But he got one of these three races last year, and is (presumably) still getting those free dinners at Malone's as a result. That is a good enough set-up for him for a while. Here, he will have to take second.

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[tzipi]

I gonna have some fun with Street Life over the IHA,DUL, and UNION and DULL over STREET,UNION and IHA.

[MickJ26]

I'll Have Another either wins or finishes out of the super. I can't imagine him running second, third or fourth. Gutierrez won't push a tired horse up the stretch.

[thespaah]

4-5 on I'll have Another is nuts.
It's the kiss of death.
I hope the Colt wins, but I think the 4-5 is a jinx.
JMO....

[thespaah]

It seems that in most years, there are at least two to four horses that are entered in the Belmont where the connection have pointed to the race as THE race to win.
The challenge is to figure out which one of those will win or finish in a placement that the handicapper can make money on the race.

[RXB]

I'll Have Another either wins or finishes out of the super. I can't imagine him running second, third or fourth. Gutierrez won't push a tired horse up the stretch.

Eight of the 11 horses since Affirmed who've tried for the TC in the Belmont have finished either 2nd or 3rd.

[jerry-g]

:5:/:11:-:9:

I'll still be hoping IHA get TC

[MickJ26]

There are no Easy Goers or Empire Makers in this race. There's a steep drop off after I'll Have Another. Either he brings his "A" game and wins or he's tired and finishes up the track. With his form right now, I can't envision I'll Have Another finishing second, third or fourth.

[sovereign]

It seems that in most years, there are at least two to four horses that are entered in the Belmont where the connection have pointed to the race as THE race to win.
The challenge is to figure out which one of those will win or finish in a placement that the handicapper can make money on the race.

Lukas said before The Preakness that he was aiming for this race and to use The Preakness to get Nakatani accustomed to Optimizer.

[Rapid Grey]

Lukas said before The Preakness that he was aiming for this race and to use The Preakness to get Nakatani accustomed to Optimizer.

fwiw Optimizer had a good gallop out after the Preakness.

For the race I like Dullahan and will use him with the logical horses, for the super I'll use horses like Atigun, Optimizer and Street Life on the bottom.

[menifee]

Dullahan to win. If you get 4-1 or better best value bet of the day for win pools.

Bets (tris):

Dullahan
IHA/UR
ALL

IHA/UR
Dullahan
ALL

[Some_One]

Remember, win odds are not the same as exotic odds, a lot more special money in the win pool on IHA, I'm sure his implied exotic odds will be more like 2-1 which is fair value IMO

[Figaro]

Hopefully, I won't change my mind so here is my 3 horses exacta/trifecta boxes I'm using for Saturday.

:11: I'll Have Another

:8: Guyana Star Dweej

:3: Union Rags

Still contemplating using a 4th. horse for my trifecta, but I want to keep it cheap as possible since I already lost in both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness.

[Jingle]

Rooting in my heart for a Triple Crown Winner but I will bet #9 Paynter, #5 Dullahan, and #3 Union Rags in exactas and Tri's. A $2 Win bet on #11 I'll Have Another will do it for my scrapbook if he wins.

[lamboguy]

i just looked at some pace figures for I'LL HAVE ANOTHER. according to those numbers he has run 3 consecutive races where he has had big improvements every race. this leads me to believe that we have not seen the best of this horse yet.

he has not worked at all over the Belmont surface, but his gallops have been very strong. Doug O'NEIL is trying to bring his best effort on saturday instead of in the morning.

i have a couple of filly's training in Belmont now, and my trainer watches them go while they are on the track, he has seen IHA and all he talks about is how amazed he is with that horse the way he goes every day. if there was ever a horse ready to go a mile and a half, he is textbook for that challenge.

hopefully the weather will be nice and there is a big crowd on hand to watch a great horse perform Saturday.

[turninforhome10]

i just looked at some pace figures for I'LL HAVE ANOTHER. according to those numbers he has run 3 consecutive races where he has had big improvements every race. this leads me to believe that we have not seen the best of this horse yet.

he has not worked at all over the Belmont surface, but his gallops have been very strong. Doug O'NEIL is trying to bring his best effort on saturday instead of in the morning.
If IHA wins off theses strong gallops, maybe we can finally realize that working the hell out of horse to prepare for the big races is pure crap. Having a happy horse that enjoys his training regimen is the deal.

[lamboguy]

If IHA wins off theses strong gallops, maybe we can finally realize that working the hell out of horse to prepare for the big races is pure crap. Having a happy horse that enjoys his training regimen is the deal.you got to love it!

this is how you keep a horse around for a very long time.

[turninforhome10]

you got to love it!

this is how you keep a horse around for a very long time.
Exactly. First really nice animal I worked with was a horse named Braska Blue.
870 QH champ in IA. Trying to get him ready to run was miserable as the horse hated training. To circumvent the whole process, we used him as a pony for the Thoroughbred meet and he loved it. When it came time to race he was fit and happy from taking all the babies to the track. It changed my attitude towards what makes a happy horse. He thrived on feeling important to the whole barn. When he retired he still took his job very seriously as he would coach the young ones being in charge of the baby paddock. It was cool. Happy horses win races.

[BlueChip@DRF]

:3: "The Forgotten One"

[canleakid]

:11: , :9: , :5: box ex. & tri.

:1: , :2: for the super


due to scr. of #11 got to rethink the race

think #5 or #9 will be the "weak" m/l fav. now

[iceknight]

due to scr. of #11 got to rethink the race

think #5 or #9 will be the "weak" m/l fav. now
Well F' that. I feel so upset that I think I will pass the Belmont this year and just bet Los Al quarter horses instead.
On second thoughts, i might play the Brooklyn double with Redeemed, Birdrun and Paynter, Dullahan.

[WeirdWilly]

:9: Paynter to win at minimum 3-1

:3::5::9: exacta box if lowest :3::5: box pays > $16 and :3::5: over :9: pays > $50

[Rapid Grey]

IHA scratching changes some of the dynamics moving Paynter up obviously but also My Adonis who should get the type trip that IHA was to get. Still think Dullahan is the winner though.

[BlueChip@DRF]

:3: "The Forgotten One"

This is bad. Union Rags could easily become the favorite. Union Rags has won at Belmont and it was a G1 (Champagne) to boot. Most notably Point Given and Birdstone have come from that race. I mean, the current favorite has never won on dirt.

6-1 was decent odds, but 5-2 seems very prohibitive.

[BlinkersOn]

Keying 5 (Doolie) in first and second in a superfecta. It could pay good with IHA out.

[sovereign]

Keying 5 (Doolie) in first and second in a superfecta. It could pay good with IHA out.
:5: is the favorite now at 8/5. How is having him on top going to pay good?

[Smarty Cide]

:3: "The Forgotten One"

Union Rags keeps letting me down, prob will again

[WaHoo]

Bel 11th race

I'll Key the #5 over the 9 3 4 1 for tri and super

[Simple Syrup]

I was going :5: :9: exacta box before the scratch, but I don't think there will be value there now. Probably looking more at doubles or P3s now, but I haven't studied the surrounding races well enough.

[nijinski]

Union Rags keeps letting me down, prob will again
I hope not . He looks great . His owner who has spent way two many years in
a wheelchair , who loves this game , is very deserving.

[thespaah]

:9: Paynter to win at minimum 3-1

:3::5::9: exacta box if lowest :3::5: box pays > $16 and :3::5: over :9: pays > $50
I took Paynter at fixed odds of 4-1 on an offshore book.

[thespaah]

Lukas said before The Preakness that he was aiming for this race and to use The Preakness to get Nakatani accustomed to Optimizer.
I gave Optimizer a real good look.
The name rang a bell. And sure enough I dove back into my programs from last August and there it was. Optimizer broke his maiden at The Spa..On grass. They then ran him back in a G2 (T) in which he finished a strong second.
In fact, if I see this horse entered in a turf race it is my hope it's not noticed by the sharper bettors. I'm on him....
As far as Saturday, hmmm...Will be playing him in my exotics.
Lukas is as sly as they come. He still can prep them for the big races.

[bks]

I took Paynter at fixed odds of 4-1 on an offshore book.

He's 7-1 in the early betting. I'm a bit shocked myself, as I believed he posed the biggest threat to IHA.

[sovereign]

After the key scratch I doubt there is value on the main contenders.
So I will just stick with 10-cent supers.

Main box - :2: :3: :5: :9: :10:
Belmont runners super - :1: :2: :3: :8:
Field super #1 - :2: :10: over :2: :10: over ALL over ALL
Field super #2 - :2: :10: over ALL over :2: :10: over ALL

Can't bet everyone!

[PhantomOnTour]

The question is whether this is too much too soon too far for Paynter, or will he get an easy pace trip and roll on home. He's certainly bred for 12f.
Unstoppable U has speed and can keep him company for about 6f, but he should fall away around then.
That's where My Adonis can come into the picture. If the 6f pace was too quick he is in position to move on Paynter first. He's kind of a grinder and may be able to tough out a nice placing.
I will also use Atigun at a price. Should handle the distance and not be too far back at the half way point...if that darned Leparoux gets him going, that is.
I will also use Union Rags and Dullahan in some capacity...

TRI:
:4: :9:
:4: :9: :12:
:3: :4: :5: :9: :12:
WIN:
:12:

Wouldn't it be funny if one of the replaced jocks (Leparoux & Desormeaux on UR and Dullahan) were to win this?

[Dahoss2002]

ebx tbx spr 4-5-9-12

[Figaro]

Hopefully, I won't change my mind so here is my 3 horses exacta/trifecta boxes I'm using for Saturday.

:11: I'll Have Another

:8: Guyana Star Dweej

:3: Union Rags

Still contemplating using a 4th. horse for my trifecta, but I want to keep it cheap as possible since I already lost in both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness.

With the scratch of :11: IHA I will have to make some changes to trifecta box.

$1 trifecta box :3::5::8::9:

Total $24

Still trying to figure my other bets for the day. :confused:

[Dahoss2002]

ebx tbx spr 4-5-9-12
expanded superfecta 4-5-9-12/4-5-9-12/2-3-4-5-8-9-12/all
4-5-9-12/4-5-9-12/all/2-3-4-5-8-9-12 Good luck all. 20 wp on9 also

[Thomas Roulston]

LOL @ the horses whose ML odds went down from 50-1 to 30-1 when I'll Have Another was scratched.

And those three - Five Sixteen, Guyana Star Dweej, and Ravelo's Boy - are among five in here who have never even run a 90 BSF, at any distance or on any surface (Atigun and Unstoppable U are the other two); and worse yet, of the five only Guyana Star Dweej has any Solid or Professional chef-de-race representation in their Dosage Profile (although none has a DI above 4.00 - as Dullahan does).

I could see entering an obviously overmatched horse in the Belmont if there was some sort of hope that the distance could move the horse up enough to maybe give it some sort of chance (see Is Sveikatas back in 1995); but considering the pedigrees of all of the above except GSD, that doesn't seem even remotely possible.

[Dean Paul]

Watch for Atigun and My Adonis to outrun their odds. They both have the breeding and connections to at leats make the exotics at a price.

[burnsy]

:5: dullahan,:9: paynter, :6: revelos boy. exacta box. dullahan is obvious. paynter looks like another baffert beast and hes fired every race even if hes short on experience.....the sleeper is revelos boy......probably can run all day and this trainer usually does not ship for nothing. the horse is working like he means it too.

[sovereign]

After the key scratch I doubt there is value on the main contenders.
So I will just stick with 10-cent supers.

Main box - :2: :3: :5: :9: :10:
Belmont runners super - :1: :2: :3: :8:
Field super #1 - :2: :10: over :2: :10: over ALL over ALL
Field super #2 - :2: :10: over ALL over :2: :10: over ALL

Can't bet everyone!

The Belmont Runners super should be :1: :2: :3: :8: :12:

[canleakid]

:9: / :5: ex. box

:1: / :2: / :3: / :4: to fill up the tri. & super slots

[KingChas]

:5: Dullahan-By Default

Token Hunch Wager Exacta Box;
:1: Street Life
:2: Unstoppable U
:3: Union Rags

Only three horses to run over Belmont Strip ,in which only two horses in the field have won on.
Edit********Make that four over the strip-missed the #8.*******

Longshot token bet;
:2: Unstoppable U-throw out the figs-yet to lose-likes Belmont.

[Rwahi1]

:3: Union Rags

:5: Dullahan

[peeptoad]

After the scratch:

exacta box :1: :4: :5: :9:
wps :4:

...assuming Paynter is going to be bet down; if somehow he goes off at 7/2 or better, then I may bet him more heavily.

[Aerocraft67]

Favorites look more or less legitimate here. Only longshot I could muster is :12: , but looks like the shot won't be so long when they go off. I'm dutching :9: and :12: to win and keying them in the exacta and tri with the other chalk. Pretty much agree with the analysis of our host. Of the first and second tier horses, I guess I'm really only against :1: and :10: . So you might do well betting those.

[Shelby]

My mother-in-law "sees" the :2: winning, so I'm putting $5 across on Unstoppable U for her.


As much as I hate to, I'm going to use Union Rags ONE more time and key him in some supers with Atigun, Dullahan, Paynter and My Adonis. Oh and I might slip Optimizer in there...just because I used him the last two times and I don't want to break his losing cycle lol.

Depending on how the day fares I also might do another super keying Dullahan with the others I listed above.

Oh and I'm sure I'll put $$ on Ravalo's Boy and Star Dweej (I gotta google and see what that name means)

HAPPY BELMONT DAY!!!!!

[lamboguy]

i know that BAFFERT reguarded PAYNTER as his best horse this year. the horse looks like he has plenty of talent and probably has the best pace number out of anyone in the Belmont Stakes. but the horse comes out of a 2 life allowance race in Baltimore. he may run away and hide this afternoon, but if he does he will do it without my money on him today.

the most logical contenders have plenty of knocks on them, but i see no way get to get around them.

my pick is going to be DULLAHAN, with UNION RAGS to follow.

[Wickel]

Dullahan gets a huge rider change and will be a lot closer to the early pace. He sweeps by the field on the turn and wins going away. I've liked the way Street Life has progress and he's on his home turf. One more thing: the distance can only help. I'm thinking 5-1 exacta. Maybe savers with 5-9 and 5-12.

[WeirdWilly]

My mother-in-law "sees" the :2: winning, so I'm putting $5 across on Unstoppable U for her.

I think she may turn out to be smarter than the rest of us.

I hope everyone keeps hating on Unstoppable U so I can cash today.

Didn't win his "Weak" races with huge Beyers? Didn't need to. Good pattern of workouts, shows it has the leader/winner mentality...

I'm not saying Unstoppable U is my favorite to win, but I believe it is the best bet for a longshot.

[NYPlayer]

For me, the scratch doesn't change who I like. I think Dullihan basically owns the race. There are intriguing others who I'll use in my trifecta:

Dullihan - A case can be made that he's peaked already, but he's been very consistent in his career and the I think the "6 week strategy" will have a payoff here.

Street Life - Up and coming horse from Chad Brown. Needs to improve again, but looks good for that on The Sheets.

Union Rags - Now would be good time to find a part of his former self. His best would crush these.

Paynter. Figures to bounce from his two good figures which were major improvements for him with only 3 weeks between starts.

Atigun - This horse looks too good to pass up using at 30-1.

[HuggingTheRail]

I just bet the tri ($5)

:1: :9: // :1: :3: :5: :9: // :1: :3: :5: :6: :9:

[ManU918]

Going with :4: Atigun... I think the French Strangler might pull this one off.

[mostpost]

And I have bad news.
Those are exactly the horses I picked, in exactly the order I picked them.
My bets will be:
$20 exacta 9 over 5
$10 exacta 9 over 3
$5 exacta 3 over 9
$5 exacta 5 over 9
I may substitute a 3-5-9 exacta box and/or trifecta box
for the last two.

I won't use my Adonis, but I can see him getting in the
picture.

[rastajenk]

The Big Scratch is going to cost me some money. I was going to pass on the race and just try to enjoy the moment. Now I feel compelled to take a small shot.

Ten cent stupors:
Key the :3: over :1: :2: :5: :8: :9: :12:

Part wheel the :1: :2: with :1: :2: :3: :5: :8: :9: with :1: :2: :3: :5: :8: :9: with :1: :2: :3: :5: :8: :9:

$1 tri:
Key the Nine over :3: :4: :5: , just in case Paynter can be a real deal.

$30 total.

[Rookies]

Was going to be my first chance to cash on a TC Winner, having bet the first 2 legs! Very sad, indeed.:(

However, I think I'll take a Box on: Dullihan/ Union Rags/ Paynter/ Street Life.

Like the Jock change to a known Belmont commodity, but the coin flip goes to Dullihan to Win.

GLTA

[FantasticDan]

I hope everyone keeps hating on Unstoppable U so I can cash today.
His ML of 20/1 has currently been beat down to 10/1, so he has his share of supporters..

[Robert Fischer]

The race is Paynter's to lose. How big can he run, and how free will he be in front??
Those decide the race. If paynter doesn't leave the field like Redeemed in the brooklyn, we could see a grind out race.

Dullahan will have every opportunity, particularly if Paynter falters.
I am not 100% happy with the way Dullahan reaches out with his stride on the right-front. However he's a giant and he just glides... Always going faster than he looks. If he puts it all together he wins no matter what.

Street Life is the el daffer(sp) (brooklyn/belmont), he probably runs his race, which is not good enough, but if things grind-out and fall apart street life isn't really relatively worse than an el daffer.

Unstoppable U is interesting. He has trouble with his footwork, even when his reigns are jerked he just kinds of swerves out and ends up changing very late, but he has a good tight rhythmic stride nonetheless. He probably quits with the distance, but he is better than I thought. He could improve one day.

Union rags doesn't seem to be in form, but who knows. I don't want to put Paynter and Dullahan on a pedestal and say this is guaranteed to be one for the ages. He could be competitive depending on what kind of trip he gets.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Lukas said before The Preakness that he was aiming for this race and to use The Preakness to get Nakatani accustomed to Optimizer.
I don't recall Lukas ever admitting a mistake, and it's always "part of plan". He's was mumbling something about "horses for courses" today. His ego, IMHO, is why he's 2% in graded stakes. That, and Eugene Klein died.

That being said, I think his pony is live today. Cold super:

:10: Optimizer
:9: Paynter
:4: Atigun
:3: Union Rags

Will need a wheelbarrow for all that dough.... :cool:

[ManU918]

I don't recall Lukas ever admitting a mistake, and it's always "part of plan". He's was mumbling something about "horses for courses" today. His ego, IMHO, is why he's 2% in graded stakes. That, and Eugene Klein died.

That being said, I think his pony is live today. Cold super:

:10: Optimizer
:9: Paynter
:4: Atigun
:3: Union Rags

Will need a wheelbarrow for all that dough.... :cool:

I could be and probably am dead wrong... But this horse has no right being on dirt... Needs to return to the turf asap... With that said he will probably win....GL.

[GaryG]

I don't see any value in the exactas so I am going with a strong win bet on :9: PAYNTER.

[Marshall Bennett]

$20 exacta 1/5
$20 trifecta 1/5/10
$50 Win 1

[PhantomOnTour]

The more i look the more it occurs to me that if Union Rags is right he may blow this field away.

[Robert Goren]

:3: Union Rags. He looks like the best of a mediocre lot.

[JackS]

I tried this Super
Dullahan first
Street Life,Atigun in the second spot to split away from some of the favorites
street Life, Atigun, Paynter , Union Rags in the 3d and 4th slot..... Good Luck to all in a race that doesn't appear to be too tough.

[Producer]

:9: Paynter

:3:UR

:1:Street Life

:4:Attigun

Hoping Dullahan did too much the other morning and flattens out without making a major impact.

[sovereign]

Did anyone see the post parade? The track is deep! The whole hoof disappears beneath the dirt.

[iceknight]

The more i look the more it occurs to me that if Union Rags is right he may blow this field away.
Good luck Phantom..
But i think UR will run a great race, ,but come second.

Paynter or Dullahan first and second or third will be UR.


but my bets are not logical today so here are the final selections:

SH bets on :8: and :12: .. good price.

EX Dullahan/Paynter over
Dullahan/Paynter/Union Rags..

May all horses come home safe!!

[Burls]

:1::3::12: EXB,TBX

[elysiantraveller]

Union Rags.

Longshot play on Unstoppable U...

Can't find any value in this one.

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

:6: Ravelo's Boy

:5: Dullahan

:3: Union Rags

:9: Paynter


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Ravelos Boy is used to running in Florida heat/humidity
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playing 6-5-3-9 cheap super box,
6-5-3 ex box, 6-5 ex,
6-5-3 tri box,
6 to win/place
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-----------:10:---:3:-----:6:------
---------:2::1:---------:5:----
-------------:9:

[iceknight]

Good luck Phantom..
But i think UR will run a great race, ,but come second.

Paynter or Dullahan first and second or third will be UR.


but my bets are not logical today so here are the final selections:

SH bets on :8: and :12: .. good price.

EX Dullahan/Paynter over
Dullahan/Paynter/Union Rags..

May all horses come home safe!!
yeah that's what I get for saving 2 dollars and dissing UR.. lol.

I am happy for UR though! but sad again for paynter and mike smith..

Baffert gets the Silver Triple Crown..

[Producer]

:9: Paynter

:3:UR

:1:Street Life

:4:Attigun

Hoping Dullahan did too much the other morning and flattens out without making a major impact.



Cha-Ching!!!!:ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[depalma113]

:3: Union Rags. He looks like the best of a mediocre lot.

He was the best of a bunch of plodders.

[PhantomOnTour]

The question is whether this is too much too soon too far for Paynter, or will he get an easy pace trip and roll on home. He's certainly bred for 12f.
Unstoppable U has speed and can keep him company for about 6f, but he should fall away around then.
That's where My Adonis can come into the picture. If the 6f pace was too quick he is in position to move on Paynter first. He's kind of a grinder and may be able to tough out a nice placing.
I will also use Atigun at a price. Should handle the distance and not be too far back at the half way point...if that darned Leparoux gets him going, that is.
I will also use Union Rags and Dullahan in some capacity...

TRI:
:4: :9:
:4: :9: :12:
:3: :4: :5: :9: :12:
WIN:
:12:

Wouldn't it be funny if one of the replaced jocks (Leparoux & Desormeaux on UR and Dullahan) were to win this?
Awww for chrissakes...wanna know what my saver bet was?
EX: :3: w :4: :12:

[mostpost]

Once again I made money on all three Triple Crown races. OF Course, by once again I mean for the first time ever. In fact I don't remember winning on any two races in the same year before this. :jump:

[thespaah]

Dullahan was nowhere. Never lifted a hoof.
Was listening to SAt Radio...Both Dave Johnson and Bill Finley said Dullahan belongs on grass. Are they correct?

[WeirdWilly]

:9: Paynter to win at minimum 3-1

:3::5::9: exacta box if lowest :3::5: box pays > $16 and :3::5: over :9: pays > $50

The ticket ended up being :2::3::9: exacta box ($6), :2::5: exacta ($2), :2: win ($5).

Net profit $2.70.

[Robert Fischer]

Dullahan was nowhere. Never lifted a hoof.
Was listening to SAt Radio...Both Dave Johnson and Bill Finley said Dullahan belongs on grass. Are they correct?

The grass stuff looks like an overused cliche IMO. That's the hot thing to say at this moment.

A couple things "grass" racing may benefit; keeping a big horse with a little bit of an imperfect stride healthy, and finding his niche.

Assuming he's healthy as ever, he also had a really uncomfortable trip today eating a lot of dirt, at one point either the horse had enough of the dirt or the rider belatedly tried letting the horse relax behind the kickback (either way it only further hurt his poor positioning), being urged/whipped to stay involved during the first moves(have to watch the race, but on the chart an also-ran like street life picked up the pieces after that 1st move).

Right now he looks like a horse who needs a niche and class relief after a freshening. Would grass keep a big horse like that with a little bit of stride issues healthy? Sure. Develop some consistency and get sharp. There's no reason why he couldn't take a shot on any surface in a grade2+ if he were to get hot again. Right now he is looking a lot like Brilliant Speed.

[Dahoss9698]

The grass stuff looks like an overused cliche IMO. That's the hot thing to say at this moment.


It's the hot thing to say for horses who belong on turf. Look at his PP's. He runs better on grass/synth.

[JackS]

Using my pace figs, it appeared that Dullahan had the "best" chance to win.
Others discounted his chances on legitamate handicapping factors that they used.
It really is a neverending story that all handicappers must face and for those who played Dullahan to win must understand that they didn't make a mistake. We will count this as a dissapointment rather than an error.