Thoroughbred Players Only

[Pacingguy]

I have a question for people who wager on thoroughbred racing and don't typically wager on harness racing.

There is a form of standardbred racing called monté (also known as Racing Under Saddle). The basic rules of harness racing remains with regards to maintaining the trotting or pacing gait as well as breaking, but instead of sulkys and drivers, there are riders who race the horses on their back.

If I could ask you a favor? Would you kindly watch the first three minutes or so of the video below which shows a monté race in Sweden which is longer than a mile. My question is, if you don't typically wager on harness racing, if this type of racing was conducted in the United States, would you be interested in wagering on these types of races?

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If you would now kindly click on this link (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FDJ5Z2K) and answer a one question survey, I would appreciate it. If you have any comments, you may leave them here.

Thank you.

[sovereign]

I've never seen a camel race using horses instead! But there is still the variable of 'breaking'. I guess that is why thoroughbred players don't gravitate to harness-type races.

[Pacingguy]

With the particular race being shown, it is a long race; at least 2,700 miles, or 1 1/2 miles+. In the United States, it would likely be one mile races which would likely be less than 2:00 minutes. I suspect the long race is what made it seem camel-like. I just took a race randomly as a sample.

Yes, the breaking rule would still be in place.

The riders tend to ride higher than they do in thoroughbred racing because the trotting gait is not particularly comfortable to be sitting in the sulky.

As a FYI, these types of races are extremely popular in France. Over there you have some horses who one week will race with a sulky and the next time like the video; we are talking about top stakes horses as well.

I am just trying to see if these races would gain some interest from thoroughbred players as you don't have the issue of getting boxed in and can race in tight quarters like thoroughbreds (don't need to worry about the width of the sulky).

I thank everyone for their feedback if given.

[cj]

I saw this type of racing live in Mons, Belgium. A few of the races on the card were that style. I didn't particularly care for it, and it didn't seem as popular.

[classhandicapper]

Wow, now I've seen everything.

I probably wouldn't bet on the sport, but I doubt I am indicative of what more casual gamblers would do.

[thaskalos]

I love it...and would wager on it enthusiastically.

The sulkies add too much to the chaos factor in harness racing...and this turns away too many potential fans from the sport.

But I would need past performances with more than six lines per horse... :)

[Turkoman]

Honestly, I wouldn't be interested in wagering on those races. I guess I'm used to watching the Thoroughbreds and their style of running, and also, I like to see them coming out of the gate. By the way, I had never seen a race like the one shown in the video. Thanks for sharing.

Turkoman

[nearco]

Here is the Prix Cornulier, the grand daddy of Trot Monté, worth close to $1m.

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In 2005 Jag de Belouett pulled off the double, winning the Prix Cornulier and the Prix d'Amerique (richest harness race in Europe) in the same year.

[Karakiozis]

YASOU THASKALE POS TA PAS O KARPATHIOS EIMAI.

[DeltaLover]

en eisai o monos karpathios... exei ki alloys edvna

[Skanoochies]

Right. :confused:

[thaskalos]

Right. :confused:
Gia sas pedia...

Ti oraia na vriskomaste pali mazi... :)

Elpizo na pane ola kala...

[appistappis]

its greek to me.

[speed]

Gia sas pedia...

Ti oraia na vriskomaste pali mazi... :)

Elpizo na pane ola kala...
Thankfully i stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[thaskalos]

Sorry guys...

I don't get the chance to use the old language much anymore...

[Vengeance of Rain]

I've never seen anything like it so it was interesting to watch but no, I wouldn't bet on it but then I don't play the quarters or harness either.

Good luck with your survey.

[NJ Stinks]

Not only would I bet on it, I did bet on it at the Hippodrome Vincennes in Paris a couple years ago. There were two Montes races on the 8 race card I went to.

As an aside, the French don't put up with much BS. If a horse breaks, he's disqualified immediately. And they ain't catering to English-speaking people in their PP's or at their racing websites. (Unfortunately, most of my picks were losers in any language! :) )

[PaceAdvantage]

Listening to the race caller, I was immediately reminded of this:

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[Pacingguy]

This race is probably more representative than the initial sample. Also, since Europeans tend to race long distance races, 1 7/8 mile races are not uncommon, they tend to race for endurance instead of speed. In North America, it would likely be a faster flowing race as we tend to stick to the mile distance.

BYW, I love the Turtle Soup reference. :D

[Karakiozis]

en eisai o monos karpathios... exei ki alloys edvna

Yasou, apo pou karpathios ego trakosiaris.

[DeltaLover]

Ena xvrio pio South apo SOYLI!

[Tom]

Pas tout la. :cool:

[Karakiozis]

ARKASA?

[Karakiozis]

Ena xvrio pio South apo SOYLI!


PAIZOUNE TA LAOUTA MAS LYPITAIRA KIAMPASA
EPIREMAS TO TO GAMBRO OPISO TIN ARKASA.

[DeltaLover]

akribos...

[Pacingguy]

Thanks to those who took the time to answer the survey. I thought I'd share the results with everyone. Admittedly, it was a very small sample.

31.6% said they would play monte racing.
15.8% said they would occasionally play such races.
52.6% said they wouldn't wager on it.

[turninforhome10]

Ποια φυλή των αλόγων είναι αυτό;

[Karakiozis]

Ποια φυλή των αλόγων είναι αυτό;


His father was a mudder.

[Sysonby]

That race was actually kind of neat. I'm not sure if I'd bet on it, it would be a whole different set of figures to look at, but I enjoyed watching it.

[toetoe]

Gia sas pedia...

Ti oraia na vriskomaste pali mazi... :)

Elpizo na pane ola kala...



That's easy for you to say.

[toetoe]

His father was a mudder.


What was his muddah ?

[toetoe]

Almost all female drivers, apparently.

I think disadvantageous parking out and advantageous cover are almost non-issues.

[turninforhome10]

His father was a mudder.
Thanks