If I Wanted America to Fail

[bigmack]

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[sammy the sage]

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/721-executive-orders-is-the-constitution-being-shackled

Some excerpts/thoughts from people smarter than I...

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This order essentially gives the federal government control of local land.

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This order basically allows the government to conscript Americans to carry out work in a supposed time of national emergency under the command of federal authorities. It even gives them the power to move individuals and “stabilize” salaries by setting them themselves.

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Essentially, this order authorizes the seizure of all telecommunications equipment in the United States.

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With all the executive orders that destroy the very core of liberty (and can be enacted with a stroke of the pen), even the most casual observer of politics has to be thinking something appears to be wrong about the direction of the country.

If the lesser of two evils is still evil, then voting Democrat or Republican (if we continue to focus on the false left-right paradigm), will solve nothing and we will continue to accept the notion of failure, since we are used to complacency.

[sammy the sage]

What Big Mack posted is true...but THIS is also true...and helps accomplish the same goal...

""If the lesser of two evils is still evil, then voting Democrat or Republican (if we continue to focus on the false left-right paradigm), will solve nothing and we will continue to accept the notion of failure, since we are used to complacency.""

see previous post....

[Robert Goren]

Strange how the people griping about the power of the government have no problem with it seizing land to build a pipeline. I guess only a matter of the government is seizing what for whom.

[TJDave]

I'd be very interested in knowing more about Free Market America... Who they are and where they get their dough.

How about you, Mr Mack? ;)

[sammy the sage]

I'd be very interested in knowing more about Free Market America... Who they are and where they get their dough.

How about you, Mr Mack? ;)

Why "tease" us...of anybody here...YOU should be able to "find out" the easiest :lol:

[TJDave]

Why "tease" us...of anybody here...YOU should be able to "find out" the easiest :lol:

Why, do I have super powers of which I am unaware?

It's a super pack. Good luck with anyone finding out who's who.

[boxcar]

Ahh....this seems like the perfect thread to post this link. It appears that the Big Gov is preparing to unleash the Forces of Hell upon Americans. Given all that has been going down the last year or so, this story, if true, makes sense and is consistent with all these executive orders and pernicious laws designed to control virtually ever aspect of society. There is a follow-up story to this link, as well, but I have to dig it out again. Also, I don't have any other collaborative sources.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035607_government_checkpoints_Martial_Law.html

Boxcar

[mostpost]

If I wanted America to fail, I'd concentrate all the wealth and power in the hands of a few. I'd stack the deck so a few mega-companies such as Wal Mart could control an industry by underselling its competitors.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd vilify the producers-the workers, by calling them communists and socialists and portraying them as lazy. I would accuse their leaders of stealing from them and exploiting them. I'd try to divide one class of worker from another and I'd spread lies that would stop them from working together against me; their common enemy.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd eliminate all regulations so that my friends were free tIf I wanted America to fail,o make as much money as the wanted without regard for safety, honesty or morality. I'd portray pipelines that are designed to ship oil from Canada to the sea for export as solutions to our energy crisis.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd create financial instrument based on smoke and mirrors and when they came crashing down I would blame the other party for not instituting strong regulations; even though it was I who had the power to institute those regulations.Which I did not do.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd ask the people most able to contribute to pay less and those least able to afford it to pay more. I'd make Social Security participation optional and allow people to invest in the stock market with their Social Security funds. When the market crashed or their investment went bad, I'd say, "Too bad! That's the free market.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd trumpet the free market system even though the period of greatest financial failure in our nations history occurred during the periods of least government intervention. Those being the Robber Baron era in which a few men controlled most industries; The Twenties where a lack of control of the stock market led to the Great Depression; and the the two thousand oughts where once again a lack of control led to the worst recession in our history.

If I wanted America to fail, I would never stop complaining that taxes are too high for one group and too low for another. I'd laugh at the number of people who would fervently agree with me when I identified the groups as the opposite of what a sensible person would think.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd set aside her centuries old policy of "Send me your tired huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and put fences and guard towers and machine guns along our border. I'd treat the immigrants who are here as second class citizens and tell them the Constitution does not apply to them.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd involve her in wars against nations that were no threat to us, and I'd give my friends lucrative contracts to provide substandard facilities, house and amenities to my sons and daughters who
were fighting those wars.

In other words, If I wanted America to fail, I would do just what the Republicans have been doing.


Even though I couldn't afford to hire a pretty boy actor to read my points, I think they are much more accurate than the ones presented by Free Market America.

[mostpost]

Why, do I have super powers of which I am unaware?

It's a super pack. Good luck with anyone finding out who's who.

Open Secrets dot org, has zero information on Free Market America. Thanks obviously to Citizens United.

[lsbets]

I'd give my friends lucrative contracts to provide substandard facilities, house and amenities to my sons and daughters who
were fighting those wars.


I'm not going to bother with the rest of your post, other than it is completely detached from reality, but you really have no clue what you are talking about. My base in Iraq had a contract with KBR (Halliburton). Always had electricity, the AC worked in our tents, and we had one of the bets mess halls I ever ate in, stateside or overseas. Then, because of politics, the contact was taken away from KBR. Everything suffered, from AC that kept going out in the middle of the day, to internet access that didn't like to work, to some of the worst food you could ever eat. All thanks to the political pressure from the assholes you vote for. Thanks mosty. :ThmbDown:

[lsbets]

Open Secrets dot org, has zero information on Free Market America. Thanks obviously to Citizens United.

Yeah, imagine groups of people getting together and pooling their resoures to voice their opinions and have them heard. How un American.

[Tom]

If I wanted America to fail, I'd set aside her centuries old policy of "Send me your tired huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and put fences and guard towers and machine guns along our border. I'd treat the immigrants who are here as second class citizens and tell them the Constitution does not apply to them.

You must be talking about the dems, because the republicans have always celebrated and encouraged LEGAL IMMIGRATION. You try to pass off illegal immigration as the same thing, a common ploy among your ilk. You would spit in the face of those who played by the rules and came here legally and tried to become good citizens - you dishonor all those over the years who have come here and helped us build this great nation. Why are you such a blatant liar and why do you minimize the accomplishments of those who have helped build the greatest nation in history?

What is your major malfunction?

[Tom]

If I wanted America to fail,

You are already doing more than your fair share.

[cj's dad]

From Mostie:

If I wanted America to fail, I'd concentrate all the wealth and power in the hands of a few. I'd stack the deck so a few mega-companies such as Wal Mart could control an industry by underselling its competitors.

I believe it’s known as the free market principle. Definition from investopedia.com:

“A market economy based on supply and demand with little or no government control. A completely free market is an idealized form of a market economy where buyers and sellers are allowed to transact freely (i.e. buy/sell/trade) based on a mutual agreement on price without state intervention in the form of taxes, subsidies or regulation.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd vilify the producers-the workers, by calling them communists and socialists and portraying them as lazy. I would accuse their leaders of stealing from them and exploiting them. I'd try to divide one class of worker from another and I'd spread lies that would stop them from working together against me; their common enemy.

Life in the private sector is so much different than in the government sector, and I think you know that.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd eliminate all regulations so that my friends were free to make as much money as they wanted without regard for safety, honesty or morality. I'd portray pipelines that are designed to ship oil from Canada to the sea for export as solutions to our energy crisis.

Safety regs are in place; a little thing known as OSHA. Honesty and morality cannot be legislated, but then both sides are aware of that. Keystone may not be the definitive answer but it certainly is a start in energy independence.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd create financial instrument based on smoke and mirrors and when they came crashing down I would blame the other party for not instituting strong regulations; even though it was I who had the power to institute those regulations.Which I did not do.

Barney Frank and Chris Dodd ring a bell. Housing prices are now down 30% nationwide.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd ask the people most able to contribute to pay less and those least able to afford it to pay more. I'd make Social Security participation optional and allow people to invest in the stock market with their Social Security funds. When the market crashed or their investment went bad, I'd say, "Too bad! That's the free market.



Those most able to pay are paying the most. SS participation is mandatory and it’s broke. What’s the difference ?

If I wanted America to fail, I'd trumpet the free market system even though the period of greatest financial failure in our nations history occurred during the periods of least government intervention. Those being the Robber Baron era in which a few men controlled most industries.

"Robber Barons": that was what U.S. political and economic commentator Matthew Josephson (1934) called the economic princes of his own day. Today we call them "billionaires." Our capitalist economy--any capitalist economy--throws up such enormous concentrations of wealth: those lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, driven and smart enough to see particular economic opportunities and seize them, foresighted enough to have gathered a large share of the equity of a highly-profitable enterprise into their hands, and well-connected enough to fend off political attempts to curb their wealth (or well-connected enough to make political favors the foundation of their wealth).

The Twenties where a lack of control of the stock market led to the Great Depression;

You are getting desperate.

and the the two thousand oughts where once again a lack of control led to the worst recession in our history.

Yep, Bush did it.

If I wanted America to fail, I would never stop complaining that taxes are too high for one group and too low for another. I'd laugh at the number of people who would fervently agree with me when I identified the groups as the opposite of what a sensible person would think.

Redistribution of wealth must be the answer.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd set aside her centuries old policy of "Send me your tired huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and put fences and guard towers and machine guns along our border. I'd treat the immigrants who are here as second class citizens and tell them the Constitution does not apply to them.

America currently allows more foreign citizens to migrate here legally than any other nation in the world.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd involve her in wars against nations that were no threat to us,

911 come to mind ?

and I'd give my friends lucrative contracts to provide substandard facilities, house and amenities to my sons and daughters who were fighting those wars.

A ridiculous statement.

In other words, If I wanted America to fail, I would do just what the Republicans have been doing.

Mostie, the Republicans are not in charge. Your faux Christian-Marxist is, you remember, one B. Hussein Obama.


Even though I couldn't afford to hire a pretty boy actor to read my points, I think they are much more accurate than the ones presented by Free Market America.

What about Al Franken ??

[TJDave]

Yeah, imagine groups of people getting together and pooling their resoures to voice their opinions and have them heard. How un American.

How would you know?

How would you even know if the group were Americans. ;)

[Robert Goren]

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your post, other than it is completely detached from reality, but you really have no clue what you are talking about. My base in Iraq had a contract with KBR (Halliburton). Always had electricity, the AC worked in our tents, and we had one of the bets mess halls I ever ate in, stateside or overseas. Then, because of politics, the contact was taken away from KBR. Everything suffered, from AC that kept going out in the middle of the day, to internet access that didn't like to work, to some of the worst food you could ever eat. All thanks to the political pressure from the assholes you vote for. Thanks mosty. :ThmbDown:It was taken away from KBR because they were overcharging the USA millions of dollars for your AC etc. They even repaid some of it. They are being sued for the rest. All of which begs the point, You should not have been sent there in the first place. I thank you for your service, I just wish our leaders had put you and your talents had been to better use. You deserved better.

[Greyfox]

If I wanted America to fail, I'd vilify the producers-the workers, by calling them communists and socialists and portraying them as lazy.



Mostie - the rose colored lenses from your days in the Union are fogging clear vision here.
In the United States, only about 11 % of workers are in Unions. A few of them, or more likely their organizers have been accused of socialist leanings.
That means that 89% take jobs that are not unionized.
I've never ever heard any of these workers called communists or socialists.
I don't think that you have either.
Who has ever called that majority of American workers, who work outside the public trough and other unions, communists or socialists?

[lamboguy]

if i truly wanted america to fail, i would keep voting for presidents like BUSH and OBAMA who subscribe to the BILL OF NO RIGHTS and throw in ROMNEY to make it a threesome.

[mostpost]

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your post, other than it is completely detached from reality, but you really have no clue what you are talking about. My base in Iraq had a contract with KBR (Halliburton). Always had electricity, the AC worked in our tents, and we had one of the bets mess halls I ever ate in, stateside or overseas. Then, because of politics, the contact was taken away from KBR. Everything suffered, from AC that kept going out in the middle of the day, to internet access that didn't like to work, to some of the worst food you could ever eat. All thanks to the political pressure from the assholes you vote for. Thanks mosty. :ThmbDown:

How then do you explain the sixteen American soldiers who were electrocuted in showers because of faulty wiring? How do you explain 283 fires in five months in facilities built by KBR?
http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/broken_government/articles/entry/960/

How do you explain the numerous complaints from military personnel about a lack of armor, both personal and vehicular at the start of the Iraq war. What about the stories of families buying armor for their relatives in action in Iraq and Afghanistan. Did I imagine those?

As for your personal experiences, they are just that. They are only a small part of the overall picture. Was yours a showcase base? One where all the visiting politicians were sent?

Then there is the question of how these companies were paid.
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/08/30/5990/windfalls-war-kbr-governments-concierge

excerpt.
Though costs were supposed to be limited to $20 a person per day, a State Department Inspector General investigation found personnel were being encouraged to scan their attendance at meals and snacks as many times as possible. A notice in an embassy newsletter read, “more scans = more goodies,” and the Inspector General found people were scanning multiple times, which hid the true cost of the meals. “One person scanned his card 25 times in two days,” the report states. A later Defense Contract Audit Agency report confirmed those findings, saying that headcount inflation could be as high as 36 percent.

Personally I would have no problem with this if the excess were used to benefit the troops. Since it was used to benefit the corporate bottom line I have a big problem.

[mostpost]

Yeah, imagine groups of people getting together and pooling their resoures to voice their opinions and have them heard. How un American.

Corporations are not people!! Secrecy is not Democracy.

[mostpost]

It was taken away from KBR because they were overcharging the USA millions of dollars for your AC etc. They even repaid some of it. They are being sued for the rest. All of which begs the point, You should not have been sent there in the first place. I thank you for your service, I just wish our leaders had put you and your talents had been to better use. You deserved better.

Sued for $100M is what I just read. I echo your thanks to lsbets. He is an honorable man and a patriot. Je's just wrong sometimes.

[boxcar]

if i truly wanted america to fail, i would keep voting for presidents like BUSH and OBAMA who subscribe to the BILL OF NO RIGHTS and throw in ROMNEY to make it a threesome.

:lol: :lol: Yeah, talk about a losing trifecta.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Corporations are not people!! Secrecy is not Democracy.

The SC disagreed.

Also, I don't believe I have ever heard you complain about the BO administration's utter lack of transparency. Another failed campaign promise.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Corporations are not people!!

Yes they are.
They are as much people as unions are.
You do understand unions are a business, right?

[lsbets]

Corporations are not people!! Secrecy is not Democracy.

They are groups of people. As are unions. And both have a right to express their collective opinions. Anyone who wants to deny them that wants to deny freedom.

Why do you hate freedom?

[lsbets]

As for your personal experiences, they are just that. They are only a small part of the overall picture. Was yours a showcase base? One where all the visiting politicians were sent?
.

Showcase base? :lol: My base was so in the middle of nowhere we couldn't even get the B cast from the USO to come. I think we had one USO visit. We had to send soldiers to other bases to see USO shows. My base had one whole battalion on it. Which was really cool for me, because there were only 3 people on the base who outranked me. As long as my company got its shit done, we were left alone.

Yes, the armor issue. :sleeping: You weren't here at the time, so I guess I'll rehash some things that everyone who pays attention already knows. Here ya go:

The body armor with SAPI plates was new. On prior deployments, we always had flack jackets - the same ones they had in Vietnam. At the start of OIF, there was not enough of the new body armor to issue to every soldier (hint - its new, limited supply), so the new body armor was issued to those whose job would put them in the greatest chance of seeing direct combat. Everyone else got the old flack jackets - just like every soldier in Vietnam and the Gulf War had. By the time of OIF II (March 04), every soldier had the new body armor with SAPI plates. Anyone who states otherwise is telling a lie. My base was right on the border of Iraq and Kuwait (made it easy for us to go pick shit up at the port in Kuwait and then deliver it throughout Baghdad) - no one was allowed to cross the border without the SAPI plate body armor. I will state it again - as of March 2004, nobody was allowed to enter Iraq without the new body armor to include SAPI plates. Anyone who tells you any different is telling you a lie. My base was at the only border crossing point, ran the border crossing point, and I was the fourth highest ranking person on the base, there is no one you will find anywhere who knows more about this than me. When I was at the base, I was at every meeting involving operations and security.

Now on to vehicle armor. Prior to the Iraq War, humvees and trucks did not have armor. None. Even MP humvees did not have armor, they just didn't have cloth doors. When the insurgency started, soldiers did what soldiers do. They improvised. We bolted steel onto the frames of our humvees and trucks to protect from IEDs. About halfway through my time there, up armor kits were sent into theater, and contractors from KBR (oh no), began installing them on vehicles. I liked my mad max humvee better. I think it looked cooler. But every time we had a vehicle up in Balad, we had the armor put on. Same thing for our trucks. One of the problems with the up armor was the vehicle suspensions could not handle the extra weight. So new vehicles were developed. Shortly after I left, the MRAP began arriving in theater. I have never seen the Army move as fast as it did getting new equipment into the field and into the hands of soldiers as it did during the Iraq War.

Yep, my personal experiences are only that. My personal experiences. And my personal experience knows a hell of a lot more about it than whatever lefty piece of shit piece you will find that says contrary. On what I spoke about above, anything you read to the contrary is a lie.

[acorn54]

if i remember my business law from college correctly there is a corporate veil that can not be pierced and people from the corporation can not be prosecuted for criminal charges.
union organizations have no such veil.

as for america failing i guess if the bulk of the jobs are low wage service sector jobs, where are the local and state governments going to get their revenue from, as well as the federal government. has anyone thought of this?

[mostpost]

From Mostie:

If I wanted America to fail, I'd concentrate all the wealth and power in the hands of a few. I'd stack the deck so a few mega-companies such as Wal Mart could control an industry by underselling its competitors.

I believe it’s known as the free market principle. Definition from investopedia.com:

“A market economy based on supply and demand with little or no government control. A completely free market is an idealized form of a market economy where buyers and sellers are allowed to transact freely (i.e. buy/sell/trade) based on a mutual agreement on price without state intervention in the form of taxes, subsidies or regulation.
The free market is not free if a few of the players control all the power. In an unregulated competitive situation a few will always dominate. That means that many will be pushed out. End of competition. The purpose of government is to make sure the playing field stays level.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd vilify the producers-the workers, by calling them communists and socialists and portraying them as lazy. I would accuse their leaders of stealing from them and exploiting them. I'd try to divide one class of worker from another and I'd spread lies that would stop them from working together against me; their common enemy.

Life in the private sector is so much different than in the government sector, and I think you know that.
It really isn't. I had to do my job just as you had to do yours. I lost count of the number of people who came to work at the post office and either were let go or quit because the job was too tough for them.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd eliminate all regulations so that my friends were free to make as much money as they wanted without regard for safety, honesty or morality. I'd portray pipelines that are designed to ship oil from Canada to the sea for export as solutions to our energy crisis.

Safety regs are in place; a little thing known as OSHA. Honesty and morality cannot be legislated, but then both sides are aware of that. Keystone may not be the definitive answer but it certainly is a start in energy independence.
Safety regs are in place now, but will they be if OSHA is eliminated as has been proposed by a number of Republicans. Honesty and morality cannot be legislated, but the ill-gotten gains of a lack of honesty and morality can be denied.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd create financial instrument based on smoke and mirrors and when they came crashing down I would blame the other party for not instituting strong regulations; even though it was I who had the power to institute those regulations.Which I did not do.

Barney Frank and Chris Dodd ring a bell. Housing prices are now down 30% nationwide.
Republican Party ring a bell? They controlled Congress for six years yet never introduced any legislation to control derivatives, nor to regulate mortgages. Democrats never voted against any of those initiatives, because there were never any to vote against; not even in committee.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd ask the people most able to contribute to pay less and those least able to afford it to pay more. I'd make Social Security participation optional and allow people to invest in the stock market with their Social Security funds. When the market crashed or their investment went bad, I'd say, "Too bad! That's the free market.



Those most able to pay are paying the most. SS participation is mandatory and it’s broke. What’s the difference ?
They should be paying the most. They have the most. The question being is the most they are paying a sufficient most? In the case of Social Security they are paying the least. Someone earning less than $108,000 is paying 6.2% of his income for Social Security. A person earning $1,080,000 is paying .62%
while someone who makes $10,800,000 a year is only paying .062%. Eliminate the cap and Social Security is solvent in perpetuity.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd trumpet the free market system even though the period of greatest financial failure in our nations history occurred during the periods of least government intervention. Those being the Robber Baron era in which a few men controlled most industries.

"Robber Barons": that was what U.S. political and economic commentator Matthew Josephson (1934) called the economic princes of his own day. Today we call them "billionaires." Our capitalist economy--any capitalist economy--throws up such enormous concentrations of wealth: those lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, driven and smart enough to see particular economic opportunities and seize them, foresighted enough to have gathered a large share of the equity of a highly-profitable enterprise into their hands, and well-connected enough to fend off political attempts to curb their wealth (or well-connected enough to make political favors the foundation of their wealth).
Matthew Josephson was right. Robber Barons then. Robber Barons now.

The Twenties where a lack of control of the stock market led to the Great Depression;

You are getting desperate.
Read a history book. Read about margins and margin calls.

and the the two thousand oughts where once again a lack of control led to the worst recession in our history.

Yep, Bush did it.
Ah! We agree on something. :ThmbUp:

If I wanted America to fail, I would never stop complaining that taxes are too high for one group and too low for another. I'd laugh at the number of people who would fervently agree with me when I identified the groups as the opposite of what a sensible person would think.

Redistribution of wealth must be the answer.
Proper distribution of wealth is the answer. Wealth gained by depriving others of a fair share or not providing a safe workplace is not wealth earned.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd set aside her centuries old policy of "Send me your tired huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and put fences and guard towers and machine guns along our border. I'd treat the immigrants who are here as second class citizens and tell them the Constitution does not apply to them.

America currently allows more foreign citizens to migrate here legally than any other nation in the world.
It's not about numbers. It's about attitudes and treating everyone alike.

If I wanted America to fail, I'd involve her in wars against nations that were no threat to us,

911 come to mind ?
9/11 does come to mind and it also comes to mind tha Iraq was not involved in 9/11 and the Bush administration knew that Iraq wats not involved.

and I'd give my friends lucrative contracts to provide substandard facilities, house and amenities to my sons and daughters who were fighting those wars.

A ridiculous statement.
Read "Fiasco" by Thomas E. Ricks. Read "State of Denial" by Bob Woodward.

In other words, If I wanted America to fail, I would do just what the Republicans have been doing.

Mostie, the Republicans are not in charge. Your faux Christian-Marxist is, you remember, one B. Hussein Obama.
Republicans were in charge post Civil War when the Robber Barons were Robber Baroning. They were in charge in the Twenties during the Great Depression. They were in charge in the aughts leading up to the Great Recession.


Even though I couldn't afford to hire a pretty boy actor to read my points, I think they are much more accurate than the ones presented by Free Market America.

What about Al Franken ??

Did you miss the words "Pretty boy?"
Did you miss the word "Actor?"

ETA: This may not be the greatest post ever presented here, but ain't it purty with all the different colors.

[Greyfox]

Did you miss the words "Pretty boy?"
Did you miss the word "Actor?"



ETA: This may not be the greatest post ever presented here, but ain't it purty with all the different colors.

Who can read that post#30 above without getting a headache trying to decipher Mostie's response??:rolleyes:

[lsbets]

Who can read that post#30 above without getting a headache trying to decipher Mostie's response??:rolleyes:

I thought he had been warned about his colorful language not too long ago.

[NJ Stinks]

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who voted for GWB the second time does not care if this country fails. And if you think GWB's tax cuts should remain in place, you really want this country to fail.

[Greyfox]

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who voted for GWB the second time does not care if this country fails. And if you think GWB's tax cuts should remain in place, you really want this country to fail.

The spending records of Bush and Obama were poor.
However giving Obama more revenue is not the way to go either.
He's shown absolutely no inclination to cut Government spending and address the National Debt. If anything he's shown that putting America in deeper debt is part of his mission.

The video tape "If I Want America to Fail" addresses what more and more people, rightly or wrongly, are starting to see as his agenda.
How else can some of his policies be explained?
Some people think that Obama is incompetent and in over his head. Maybe.
But the alternative is to believe that he's not incompetent. He knows exactly what he is doing.
He's a man on a mission and doing it right before your very eyes.

[JustRalph]

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who voted for GWB the second time does not care if this country fails. And if you think GWB's tax cuts should remain in place, you really want this country to fail.

A decent alternative could have won many Repub votes. Instead Dems ran a fool like Kerry. Do i have to mention his running mate?

You know, the one who treated his dying wife so well?

You could just get an update by checking todays court reporting on his trial.

I find it almost funny that you would look back and make the comments you made about that election.

[NJ Stinks]

A decent alternative could have won many Repub votes. Instead Dems ran a fool like Kerry. Do i have to mention his running mate?

You know, the one who treated his dying wife so well?

You could just get an update by checking todays court reporting on his trial.

I find it almost funny that you would look back and make the comments you made about that election.

I liked and still like John Kerry. Edwards I never liked.

[lsbets]

I liked and still like John Kerry. Edwards I never liked.

Come on. Liking Biden I get. He seems like a decent guy to go to happy hour with. Probably knows a few good jokes and can tell em well. Barney Frank is entertaining, so I understand that. But Kerry? Even if you like his policy ideas, which you obviously do, he does not seem like a very likeable guy. Even if I agreed with everything he stood for, he still comes across as an arrogant, obnoxious prick. I can't even so John Kerry liking John Kerry.

[NJ Stinks]

Come on. Liking Biden I get. He seems like a decent guy to go to happy hour with. Probably knows a few good jokes and can tell em well. Barney Frank is entertaining, so I understand that. But Kerry? Even if you like his policy ideas, which you obviously do, he does not seem like a very likeable guy. Even if I agreed with everything he stood for, he still comes across as an arrogant, obnoxious prick. I can't even so John Kerry liking John Kerry.

Isbets, I have said I loved Biden and Barney. I only said I liked John Kerry. :)

[mostpost]

Come on. Liking Biden I get. He seems like a decent guy to go to happy hour with. Probably knows a few good jokes and can tell em well. Barney Frank is entertaining, so I understand that. But Kerry? Even if you like his policy ideas, which you obviously do, he does not seem like a very likeable guy. Even if I agreed with everything he stood for, he still comes across as an arrogant, obnoxious prick. I can't even so John Kerry liking John Kerry.
I feel somewhat the same way about George W. Bush as you do about Biden. A likeable guy who doesn't put on airs. Neither of them is a Rhodes scholar. It's just too bad George W. fell in with the wrong crowd. :lol:

[Robert Goren]

I would vote for Romney. If he is elected and returns to the policies of the Bush administration as he says he will, it will not take 8 years for the economy to tank this time. After only 4 years of Obama, the economy is not as strong as it was after 8 years of Clinton. Within the first 2 years of a Romney presidency, a deep long lasting recession will occur. When you crush as much consumer demand as Romney's policies would, there is no way it wouldn't happen. Almost every idea he proposes takes money out of the hands of the consumer.

[Greyfox]

I would vote for Romney. If he is elected and returns to the policies of the Bush administration as he says he will, it will not take 8 years for the economy to tank this time. After only 4 years of Obama, the economy is not as strong as it was after 8 years of Clinton. Within the first 2 years of a Romney presidency, a deep long lasting recession will occur. When you crush as much consumer demand as Romney's policies would, there is no way it wouldn't happen. Almost every idea he proposes takes money out of the hands of the consumer.

Robert -Here are the home price changes for Lincoln, Nebraska, your listed State since 1992.

1992 4.36%
1993 5.39%
1994 7.60%
1995 4.54%
1996 4.29%
1997 5.83%
1998 4.46%
1999 4.71%
2000 3.17%
2001 3.97%
2002 2.91%
2003 3.87%
2004 5.21%
2005 2.89%
2006 0.92%
2007 -0.53%
2008 0.00%
2009 -1.59%
2010 1.32%
2011 0.46%


Clearly the price of housing rose in your State under Clinton and George Bush. Then there was a marked slowing in George Bush's second term.
With Obama in power there has little if any recovery.
For most of us a house is an investment. It is a nest egg that we can leave as a legacy for our children when we pass on. Under Obama that investment has done virtually nothing.
With respect to housing as an investment , Nebraskans are clearly not one speck better than they were when Obama came to power.
What's more housing prices have continued to fall across the United States for the last 6 months in a row.
Disliking Romney is one thing.
But re-electing a twiddle-dee-dee Mr. Dithers of a President is downright mind boggling.
Don't tell us why you wouldn't elect Romney.
Tell us why you think Obama deserves another chance.
I'd say one reason is that you want more "pain" in the pocket book.
How much more pain do you want?

[elysiantraveller]

Corporations are not people!! Secrecy is not Democracy.

Corporations are people. Thats the law.

"You have to pass it to see whats in it."

Sound familiar?

[Greyfox]

If I wanted America to fail I'd propose that the U.S.P.S. trucks be powered by wind farms.

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[Robert Goren]

Robert -Here are the home price changes for Lincoln, Nebraska, your listed State since 1992.

1992 4.36%
1993 5.39%
1994 7.60%
1995 4.54%
1996 4.29%
1997 5.83%
1998 4.46%
1999 4.71%
2000 3.17%
2001 3.97%
2002 2.91%
2003 3.87%
2004 5.21%
2005 2.89%
2006 0.92%
2007 -0.53%
2008 0.00%
2009 -1.59%
2010 1.32%
2011 0.46%


Clearly the price of housing rose in your State under Clinton and George Bush. Then there was a marked slowing in George Bush's second term.
With Obama in power there has little if any recovery.
For most of us a house is an investment. It is a nest egg that we can leave as a legacy for our children when we pass on. Under Obama that investment has done virtually nothing.
With respect to housing as an investment , Nebraskans are clearly not one speck better than they were when Obama came to power.
What's more housing prices have continued to fall across the United States for the last 6 months in a row.
Disliking Romney is one thing.
But re-electing a twiddle-dee-dee Mr. Dithers of a President is downright mind boggling.
Don't tell us why you wouldn't elect Romney.
Tell us why you think Obama deserves another chance.
I'd say one reason is that you want more "pain" in the pocket book.
How much more pain do you want?Nobody knows about the house inflation of the late 90s and early 2000's than me. My boss drug me to every house he looked at when he looking to buy a house here. The prices were crazy compared to the median income here. They were building houses like crazy for a while. When he was transfered out in late 2004, he had a hell of the time getting his purchase price of early 2001 out of his house. The boom was over. The prices here didn't fall much, the houses just sat on the market. The Lincoln market was over built. The goods news is that the local newspaper reported that home sales were brisk in the first quarter of 2012. I have no idea what they consider brisk or if it is realtor hype. My friends that are still working at the garages are saying that they are no longer barraged with applicants like they were a year or two ago. That has got to be a good sign since a starting booth jockey don't get paid very well. That means somebody someplace around here is hiring and is paying more than minimum wage.
The point is that the economy was getting worse in the late 2008 and look like that for as far one could see that it was going to continue to get worse. The economy has stopped the free fall and slow beginning to improve. It is still not great but even you have to admit that a 2-3% growth in GDP is better than the loss of 6.2% that we had in the last quarter of Bush.
For the record I am living off SS disability and what is left a small 401k that was decimated by medical bills that my empoyer's insurance company refused to pay even though the policy itself said that those bills were covered.