This Looks A Tad Aggressive If You Ask Me

[usedtolovetvg]

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/images/ads/5007_600x400_thoroughbred_promo3.jpg

[tbwinner]

Wow!!!

[PaceAdvantage]

Not any different than a car company comparing themselves to other lesser models, right? Naming a competitor in an ad isn't all that unheard of...

[usedtolovetvg]

I never liked slamming the other guy to promote yourself. It isn't any worse than in politics. I like a company to tell me why they are so good, not why the other guy is so bad. Obviously, my way of thinking is not in vogue these days.

[Beachbabe]

I just don't understand why anyone would use a wagering site that charged a fee to make a bet.
I guess Twinspires feels the same.

[redshift1]

Which ADW leads in revenue?

[duncan04]

I never liked slamming the other guy to promote yourself. It isn't any worse than in politics. I like a company to tell me why they are so good, not why the other guy is so bad. Obviously, my way of thinking is not in vogue these days.

Well in a way they are saying why they are good. They don't nickel and dime you for every wager. See nothing wrong with it.

[cj]

I read the title of the thread and bet myself a million dollars this would be about TVG in some way. I won of course, but I only won a mythical a $50,000, 1 to 20.

[Tom]

Speaking of TVG.............is it April already? :D

[Canarsie]

This has been up a couple of weeks there was really no need to comment on it. Don't we see ATT and Verizon go at it all the time? Locally here the cable companies go after Verizon and vice versa. Doesn't Dish Network also do this? This is how the game is played now.

If a person decides that the fee is no big deal let them play there. Maybe they feel some obligation because they show races even though that reasoning is flawed at least to me. Also the beginning fan might not even know better sooner or later some will smarten up.

At least they have the freedom of choice to decide who to wager with. I'm stuck with one in NJ. I recently wrote to the horsemen who took over about offering free programs for Monmouth and more if a customer wagered on that track. Not even a decency of a reply doesn't make me happy.

[Canarsie]

Which ADW leads in revenue?

PDF file for all of 2011. First quarter of 2012 should be out within a month.

http://www.oregon.gov/RACING/docs/Hub_Data/quarterly_hub_handles.pdf

[redshift1]

PDF file for all of 2011. First quarter of 2012 should be out within a month.

http://www.oregon.gov/RACING/docs/Hub_Data/quarterly_hub_handles.pdf


That's Oregon only, I think TVG is number one in total revenue despite their charge per wager. I can't seem to find the national revenue numbers or at least current figures.



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[PaceAdvantage]

That's Oregon only, I think TVG is number one in total revenue despite their charge per wager. I can't seem to find the national revenue numbers or at least current figures.



.All the money flows through Oregon if that's where their hub is based....so those numbers are national...no?

[usedtolovetvg]

All the money flows through Oregon if that's where their hub is based....so those numbers are national...no?

Yes.

[Canarsie]

That's Oregon only, I think TVG is number one in total revenue despite their charge per wager. I can't seem to find the national revenue numbers or at least current figures.



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Seriously don't you think TVG would be stating they are the largest ADW in this great country of ours if it was fact. They recently put up some bs comparison about how Tampa handle is way down and Oaklawn is way up with TVG customers. While true they will only use an example that benefits them just like any other company who uses the same form of advertising. The smart viewer and consumer just have to sift through all of the garbage.

Maybe UTLTVG can comment on this but my guess is 85-90% of their customer base is in California. I could be way off base on this buy as an example why would anyone sign up for them in NY when NYRA gives out rebates. In California you can't even wager at out of state tracks if your in attendance at one of their facilities it gives them a huge edge.

[usedtolovetvg]

Maybe UTLTVG can comment on this but my guess is 85-90% of their customer base is in California.

Your numbers are high but your reasoning is sound. Everyone must know that Betfair is here for one reason and one reason only, and That is Exchange Wagering. Almost all their efforts have been to get that going in CA. The fact that NJ passed EW was a pleasant surprise but we haven't heard much about that in a while. They are confident if EW gets up and going and succeeds in CA that the other States will quickly embrace it. Btw, for those who care and are not myopic, horse racing is not the Grand Prize Betfair is after.

[redshift1]

Seriously don't you think TVG would be stating they are the largest ADW in this great country of ours if it was fact. They recently put up some bs comparison about how Tampa handle is way down and Oaklawn is way up with TVG customers. While true they will only use an example that benefits them just like any other company who uses the same form of advertising. The smart viewer and consumer just have to sift through all of the garbage.

Maybe UTLTVG can comment on this but my guess is 85-90% of their customer base is in California. I could be way off base on this buy as an example why would anyone sign up for them in NY when NYRA gives out rebates. In California you can't even wager at out of state tracks if your in attendance at one of their facilities it gives them a huge edge.

Hard to find anything except the Oregon report, oddly enough the TVG website seems to generate more visits per day than Twin Spires who according to the Oregon report if accurate leads in revenue. Probably a function of the TVG Fan Forum (more page views). Although page views on a wagering site should correspond to betting revenue generally speaking.

This site tracks page views per day.

http://www.freewebsitereport.org/

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[Valuist]

I read the title of the thread and bet myself a million dollars this would be about TVG in some way. I won of course, but I only won a mythical a $50,000, 1 to 20.

And in the spirit of this thread, you would've only been able to collect $49,000 due to fees.

[cj]

And in the spirit of this thread, you would've only been able to collect $49,000 due to fees.

I think there is a monthly cap. I don't know if I'd use TVG, because I can't in OK. I may change my user name to apathetictowardstvg and have every post I make henceforth about my lack of interest.

[GatetoWire]

I am surprised that Twin Spires and Xpressbet haven't taken this approach before.
I have used all 3 services and I find it hard to believe that TVG handled $625 million while charging fees for the same service that is free on Twin Spires or Xpressbet.

Are people that dumb or are there a ton of customers who can't use Twin Spires, Xpressbet or another service and have to use TVG?

[usedtolovetvg]

I think there is a monthly cap.

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[cj]

Thanks. I have no feelings one way or the other about TVG.

[edmond1]

Your numbers are high but your reasoning is sound. Everyone must know that Betfair is here for one reason and one reason only, and That is Exchange Wagering. Almost all their efforts have been to get that going in CA. The fact that NJ passed EW was a pleasant surprise but we haven't heard much about that in a while. They are confident if EW gets up and going and succeeds in CA that the other States will quickly embrace it. Btw, for those who care and are not myopic, horse racing is not the Grand Prize Betfair is after.

What are they really after ?

[usedtolovetvg]

The biggest wagering prize in North America. It should be obvious if you think about it.

[PaceAdvantage]

Hard to find anything except the Oregon report, oddly enough the TVG website seems to generate more visits per day than Twin Spires who according to the Oregon report if accurate leads in revenue. Probably a function of the TVG Fan Forum (more page views). Although page views on a wagering site should correspond to betting revenue generally speaking.

This site tracks page views per day.

http://www.freewebsitereport.org/

.I can personally say the stats on that site are way off when it comes to PaceAdvantage. They say 6,600 page views a day. Not even in the same universe.

[usedtolovetvg]

I can personally say the stats on that site are way off when it comes to PaceAdvantage. They say 6,600 page views a day. Not even in the same universe.

How about clicks and not unique viewers?

[Canarsie]

Hard to find anything except the Oregon report, oddly enough the TVG website seems to generate more visits per day than Twin Spires who according to the Oregon report if accurate leads in revenue. Probably a function of the TVG Fan Forum (more page views). Although page views on a wagering site should correspond to betting revenue generally speaking.

This site tracks page views per day.

http://www.freewebsitereport.org/

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Not only their forum but they also had a site called TVG Free that was discontinued around 3-4 months ago. Have no idea how many hits they received but it certainly added to the total.


Concerning betting revenue this probably happened in early 2000 or so. Could be a few years off if so my bad. TVG used to have booths(or something similar) inside some tracks. A few people who saw them said the average deposit was around $50. Have no idea if this was factual once again maybe UTLTVG can add some insight on this I have brain cells diminishing each and every day.

[Canarsie]

I am surprised that Twin Spires and Xpressbet haven't taken this approach before.
I have used all 3 services and I find it hard to believe that TVG handled $625 million while charging fees for the same service that is free on Twin Spires or Xpressbet.

Are people that dumb or are there a ton of customers who can't use Twin Spires, Xpressbet or another service and have to use TVG?

I have a few friends who live in Illinois and they signed up with no fees for life. They are mostly harness guys and got so pissed off about M1 being on tape delay they went back to their former ADW's.

There might be a lot who have that or a similar deal. Add in the person who wagers over $2500 and the only one being stuck is the small player who might not even know better or even care.

Seriously this has been debated numerous times and for the life of me I can't understand why it upsets so many people when it doesn't affect them. If there are four gas stations on a corner and 2 are more expensive do you get out of your car and tell the drivers using them they're getting ripped off? Any posting about something like this or similar? If people want to leave a whole in their wallet why should the average Joe (or gambler) care?

[usedtolovetvg]

Have no idea if this was factual once again maybe UTLTVG can add some insight on this I have brain cells diminishing each and every day.

Sorry my expertise, if you want to call it that, is limited to the internal workings of the Co. The last I knew you could still deposit and withdraw at Los Al. I would think that the same would hold true at the newly named Betfair Hollywood Park. But, this is all supposition based on the few brain cells I have left.

[redshift1]

FWIW I'm trying Xpressbet on the Oaks and Derby days purely for the $125.00 sign-up bonus but will return to TVG if Xpressbet has trouble handling the volume on peak wagering days. I'm less concerned about the .25 levy than being able to wager at post time.

[usedtolovetvg]

There is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts and playing with the one that works best for you at that specific time. As far as I know, they have all had issues.

[GatetoWire]

2 years ago there was an issue on Derby day with Xpressbet.

Last year Xpressbet worked well on Oaks, Derby and on Breeders Cup day. There were no outages at all.

[Kevroc]

Seriously this has been debated numerous times and for the life of me I can't understand why it upsets so many people when it doesn't affect them. If there are four gas stations on a corner and 2 are more expensive do you get out of your car and tell the drivers using them they're getting ripped off? Any posting about something like this or similar? If people want to leave a whole in their wallet why should the average Joe (or gambler) care?

Because I am getting older and older and i'm still one of the youngest horse racing fans I know.

I want people to stay in the game and pass it on to others and keep the game I love going.

[Canarsie]

2 years ago there was an issue on Derby day with Xpressbet.

Last year Xpressbet worked well on Oaks, Derby and on Breeders Cup day. There were no outages at all.


Also was on 4NJBets. The past two years they took almost all of your wagering history to offline servers so they would have increased capacity. Before that I couldn't even get a confirmation of a wager being made no such problems now. Pretty sure almost all of the other ADW's followed suit because there really hasn't been any complaints.

[Canarsie]

Because I am getting older and older and i'm still one of the youngest horse racing fans I know.

I want people to stay in the game and pass it on to others and keep the game I love going.

Seriously how many people among the thousands of members here don't know about the fee? It has been rehashed countless times that's my point. If you want to encourage other people that's an admirable position and I wholeheartedly respect that. But on here its just piling on imo.

But there are people in states that pay high fees so they can ride in the express lanes alone. I never see that discussed as much anywhere on the net.

Btw if I had a choice there is zero chance I would sign up with them unless I had lifetime no fees.

[usedtolovetvg]

Hmm, I wonder if this happened because of us. 2 days after this thread appeared TVG sent a letter to Twinspires. It had been stated that this ad had been running for some time prior to this thread.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2012/04/19/tvg-twinspires-feuding-over-quarter-hog-ad-campaign.aspx

[tbwinner]

Hmm, I wonder if this happened because of us. 2 days after this thread appeared TVG sent a letter to Twinspires. It had been stated that this ad had been running for some time prior to this thread.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2012/04/19/tvg-twinspires-feuding-over-quarter-hog-ad-campaign.aspx

I clicked on this link. The pop-over ad was the Quarter Hog Ad :lol: :lol:

[duncan04]

I clicked on this link. The pop-over ad was the Quarter Hog Ad :lol: :lol:

I noticed that as well and found it humorous. And I love how TVG denies is seeks to collect .25 for each bet placed. I guess they think it's ok to charge $20 to waive the .25 per bet fee. :rolleyes:

[iwearpurple]

Remember what happened to the video stores that charged a monthly fee. As people find out there are those that don't charge for the same services, where do they go? To the one that doesn't charge a fee. Those that continued to charge a fee either changed their policy or failed.

I am not betting on TVG.

[usedtolovetvg]

And if you click on the Paulick Report, the TVG pop-up hits you in the face. I did see some posts critical of TVG that mysteriously disappeared over there. It seems to me Ray is shilling for BF.

[Canarsie]

Hmm, I wonder if this happened because of us. 2 days after this thread appeared TVG sent a letter to Twinspires. It had been stated that this ad had been running for some time prior to this thread.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2012/04/19/tvg-twinspires-feuding-over-quarter-hog-ad-campaign.aspx


Wishful thinking I surmise. Lawyers don't move that quick, the letter has to be delivered not faxed, and a whole other bunch of legal jumbo. I kind of doubt they went into their lawyers office and they didn't have to do some kind of research first. They do take a quarter up to $2500 and then refund it. So its fairly accurate.

They had to know about it as they were all over the place and I block popups. Can't even see any on TT. Mike will be glad to hear I see all of his ads on the tablet.