Renpher Stable

[forced89]

This outfit took a lot of heat from some on this board last year. This year they are off to a great start. 25 starts, 6 wins, 3 seconds and 1 third. Winning percentage of 24%.

[Shemp Howard]

This outfit took a lot of heat from some on this board last year. This year they are off to a great start. 25 starts, 6 wins, 3 seconds and 1 third. Winning percentage of 24%.

The smart money says they finish 2012 under 15% winners with purses won not exceeding expenses charged.

Do wins at Mountaineer really count?

[onefast99]

The smart money says they finish 2012 under 15% winners with purses won not exceeding expenses charged.

Do wins at Mountaineer really count?
We were 5-7 at Mtnr in 2011 one big stakes race win was the reason we made money the other 4 wins we lost about $4000 for the year.

[forced89]

The smart money says they finish 2012 under 15% winners with purses won not exceeding expenses charged.



So far so good. 4 1/2 months into the year Equibase says their Win Percentage is 21% and their 1-2-3 Percentage is 49%. 47 Starts (10-8-5 $152,564).

[Shemp Howard]

Rumor has it Graci is out and the stable has a new trainer.

[forced89]

Rumor has it Graci is out and the stable has a new trainer.

New trainer is R. Oliva

[Saratoga_Mike]

We were 5-7 at Mtnr in 2011 one big stakes race win was the reason we made money the other 4 wins we lost about $4000 for the year.

Nice stats! Who trains for you there?

[Shemp Howard]

Never heard of R.Oliva. The person at Penn who told me Graci was fired said she was being replaced by a fat guy.

Thought maybe David Lupo was back in the fold.

[onefast99]

Nice stats! Who trains for you there?
Scooter Davis, Joe Orseno

[proximity]

Never heard of R.Oliva. The person at Penn who told me Graci was fired said she was being replaced by a fat guy.
.

this is some kind of trick question??????

[tbwinner]

Wow is BOB O really training all his own/Renpher stable horses now???

They had one run tonight run 4th with Renpher as owner, Robert Oliva as trainer(the aforementioned fat guy).

[Beachbabe]

Wow is BOB O really training all his own/Renpher stable horses now???

They had one run tonight run 4th with Renpher as owner, Robert Oliva as trainer(the aforementioned fat guy).

It was only a matter of time. He talked about getting a trainer license a few times.

[TonyK@HSH]

It should be noted that Kim Graci was not 'fired'. Bob had to be happy with her work this year, her stats speak for themselves. Kim will have no trouble filling the vacated stalls.

The change was made because Bob O obtained his trainers license. To Bob there are advantages to train in Pa (like health insurance) as well as decreased expenses.

Good luck Bob O

[Shemp Howard]

So far so good. 4 1/2 months into the year Equibase says their Win Percentage is 21% and their 1-2-3 Percentage is 49%. 47 Starts (10-8-5 $152,564).

Equibase closed the books on 2012 last night.

As predicted this stable finished the year with 13% winners and under 33%
1-2-3. At Pen they were 5th in total starts but only 14th in purses won.

Since the new trainer took over in May, the winning % dipped under 10% with 1-2-3 under 25%. His ave. EPS was $1,700,well under the 10 year average acheived previously. The new trainer was 0-17 with 2yo's (not even a P/S), 3yo's, turf horses, or with any horse shipped out-of-town looking for an easier spot.

Here's wishing all better luck in 2013. I understand the current trainer has decided to offer his services to public clients and has bedded some hard-hitting runners under his shedrow. Sound be an interesting 2013.

[PaceAdvantage]

Sound be an interesting 2013.Especially to you as far as this subject is concerned... :lol:

[Mineshaft]

This outfit took a lot of heat from some on this board last year. This year they are off to a great start. 25 starts, 6 wins, 3 seconds and 1 third. Winning percentage of 24%.





7% win percent in 2013

[Shemp Howard]

7% win percent in 2013

To be expected, running against all the cheaters at Penn.

According to Equibase stats, the stable has lost 56 races in a row.

Here's wishing all those still involved a better 2014.

[proximity]

as one of the only remaining pen live racing fans that has no connection to the backstretch i'd sincerely like to thank mr renpher for continuing to support pen racing. his 173 starts this year is the 3rd most at the track and over 30 starts ahead of whoever is 4th.

I will note however that one stable won more races than he did with less than 30 starts. think about that. 6x as many starts and fewer wins. i'm not bringing this up to knock mr renpher's horses or training, but rather his feelings that so much of what has transpired at pen in the last decade is legitimate racing.

the arrival of casino gambling at our humble racino has given penn national management and horsemen an incredible opportunity to promote handicapping and horse betting as legitimate pursuits and thank those fans who kept the flagship property of pen gaming going for so long. instead penn national has done nothing to promote horse betting and in fact continues to be an embarrassment with some of the highest takeouts in north America and the excessively greedy implementation of the recent 10% source market fee that killed opportunities for p.a. players to shop for the best deals. and of course "player rewards" for horseplayers haven't budged an inch from their already anemic levels.

despite all of this it is still my wish that mr renpher and other honest connections at penn national may be able compete in a "normal," mostly juice free racing environment for our slots enhanced purses and that the game may begin to grow and opportunities begin to open up for would be owners in Pennsylvania racing. and instead of sharing backstretch laughs with super trainers about the contents of paceadvantage threads, it is also my wish that the honest connections at penn national would feel the same way about my rights to compete on a fair playing field as I do theirs.

sorry for the long post.

[forced89]

According to Equibase stats, the stable has lost 56 races in a row.

A lot of tough luck and poor horses. Let's hope for better in 2014.

[Mineshaft]

A lot of tough luck and poor horses. Let's hope for better in 2014.






Tough Luck???????

[Shemp Howard]

Tough Luck???????


Sure. When Joe DiMaggio hit in 56 straight he attributed it all to luck. Skill and talent had nothing to do with it.

[proximity]

poor horses..

with his experience mr renpher should be beyond this.

[Mineshaft]

Fresh stock has just come into this stable via the Keeneland sale. Get in while the getting is good.

[Shemp Howard]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're all well-bred, have good looking bodies, are great to be around and have all of their lifetime conditions intact.

Right?

[forced89]

and have all of their lifetime conditions intact.

Right?

When you buy unraced horses they usually have all their conditions intact. Mr Renpher's purchases are no different as far as I can tell.

[Shemp Howard]

When you buy unraced horses they usually have all their conditions intact. Mr Renpher's purchases are no different as far as I can tell.

Who said they were unraced?

The January Keeneland sale was for horses of all ages.

[forced89]

Just look at the catalog pages. At the bottom of each horse Mr Renpher bought is says unraced.

[Mineshaft]

2/51 in 2014

[proximity]

2/51 in 2014

i'm no horseman (just a railbird compulsive gambler) so I could certainly be way off base but I noted that both of the barn's wins came back towards the beginning of the season when the track was closed probably more days than it was open. the timing of the wins is probably just a coincidence but i'll throw this out there anyway:

is it possible he's somehow overtraining these horses???:confused:

[forced89]

Is it bad horses or bad training? Really can't tell as his horses are really bottom of the barrel. Of course he is the one who buys them.

[Mineshaft]

Is it bad horses or bad training? Really can't tell as his horses are really bottom of the barrel. Of course he is the one who buys them.




Probably a little of both.

[Robert Goren]

onefast99, what is your connection to the Renpher Stable?

[Mineshaft]

3 for 66




"Im not as dumb as i look"

[proximity]

I missed the third win? when and where?

congratulations to renpher!!

[PaceAdvantage]

The funny thing is, there are maybe three to four people on this board (MAX) who give even a second thought as to who or what renpher stable is...and this guy Mineshaft (and his 3 stooges pal) has been posting about them nonstop for years...it might be the strangest obsession going on this board...

[Mineshaft]

I missed the third win? when and where?

congratulations to renpher!!





May 29 win and was claimed



"Im not as dumb as i look"

[forced89]

3 for 66

$1,114 per start is a little low

[Shemp Howard]

So is 3 for their last 130 starts (per TimeForm).

[PaceAdvantage]

You do realize this is nothing but a personal crusade of yours and 99.5% of everyone else has absolutely no interest in these "General Francisco Franco is still dead"-type Renpher updates...

[Wingtips]

You do realize this is nothing but a personal crusade of yours and 99.5% of everyone else has absolutely no interest in these "General Francisco Franco is still dead"-type Renpher updates...

I'm in the 0.5%. Keep it up, Shemp!

[Mineshaft]

1st half stats of 2014

3/75




"Im not as dumb as i look"

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I'm in the 0.5%
4,593 views and counting
But then again I thought the "General Francisco Franco is still dead" skits were hysterical too.

[proximity]

1st half stats of 2014

3/75


meanwhile that graci girl he had training the horses is 21% at penn national and the young beattie boy is barely out of high school and has more wins (4) in 22 starts than one of the top partnerships in north America.......

[Mineshaft]

meanwhile that graci girl he had training the horses is 21% at penn national and the young beattie boy is barely out of high school and has more wins (4) in 22 starts than one of the top partnerships in north America.......






Disgraceful

[proximity]

Disgraceful

or in this case, disgraciful!!:D

[onefast99]

onefast99, what is your connection to the Renpher Stable?
I have no idea who they are. But good luck to them.

[Mineshaft]

If a horse cant win for 4K claiming would you put the horse in a Starter Handicap her next race?

[Mineshaft]

If a horse cant hit the board 1-2-3 for $7500 would you put the horse in for 30K claiming her next start?

[forced89]

Now 3 for 99 in 2014 but things are looking up. They really are. I think Mr Renpher's horses have been 2nd or 3rd in 9 his last 10 starts. Victories will come in bunches. Just wait and see.

[Shemp Howard]

He's had lot's of bad luck this year. How else do you explain going 1-89 since February 1st?

[Bob O]

In the month of August we have 9 starts. 1 4th, 5 3rds, and 3 2nds. Mostly new stock, including our yearling purchases from last year, now 2yos.

To clear the air:

01) Mineshaft was denied the opportunity to become a partner of Renpher Stable years ago. Many reasons. I really don' t think he wants me to elaborate. Thus the very entertaining threads.

02) Schemp is another long time pal with way too much time on his hands, but I do appreciate the ongoing publicity. Some people request information from Renpher Stable, under the guise of wantign to own shares in a race horse. In reality all they want is to read our daily emails and pass along proprietary information.

03) Our barn was hit with more than our share of issues this year. A real nice Midnight Lute filly was put down due to colic. In a period of 3 months we lost 11 horses. The filly, two claims and the rest retired due to injury. Not many barns can sustain that. We certainly had a hard time rebuilding. Most of the horses we were left with just couldn't get it done. I sacrificed starts, which equates to stats, to accomodate requests from owners. Before we retired a horse I certainly gave it every opportunity. I would have preferred to cut some loose, saving the owner $$ to apply to new stock.

04) The last three claims we made, all have been profitable, though we have no wins to show for it.

Last year I had 16 wins, ranked 29th of 580. This year I have 3. Horrible stat. Certinaly not indicative of the effort of everyone in my barn, not just me. We are far better than the record shows. We are surviving on profitablity. Of the 3 seconds, and 5 thirds this month alone we could have won 4 times but didn't. That's the way it goes.

I'm not going to stop entering because my stats stink. I'll keep entering and we all keep working hard. Eventually we will get our fair share.

As for entering $4k horses in starters, my poor buddy Mineshaft doesn't paint the full picture. This horse will be in for $4k once the Handicap Series is over. Why lose her when she can generate good revenue for the partners in short fields? I'm not sure Mineshaft understands the nature of the Series. Races stretch out from 4 1/2, to 5 to 5 1/2 to 6 furlongs. My filly needs the 6 furlongs. She recently rallied to gain 4th at 5/8ths. She earned $1200 for the start. If I ONLY cared about my stats, and I do care about them, I wouldn't have raced her until the 5 1/2 or 6. Problem being the partners would not have an opportunity to gain revenue. I put the horses first, owners second, and myself last. If that impacts my stats so be it. People who know me understand ability versus current stats. Next week I have 4 entries thus far. All the riders agents know me, they see me everyday. I have the top 2 riders on all four of these mounts. Why would they take the calls for a lousy 4% trainer?

Best of luck to all of you.

[Fager Fan]

I guess stables (and owners, trainers, jockeys) are fair game for public discussion, but this seems personal and therefore distasteful to me. Someone getting his jollies from the misfortune of another.

[castaway01]

I guess stables (and owners, trainers, jockeys) are fair game for public discussion, but this seems personal and therefore distasteful to me. Someone getting his jollies from the misfortune of another.

I agree, it's more like stalking and third-grade mocking than anything else. It's not as if the connections have some reason for being ridiculed. Without some average or low-percentage barns, there is no horse racing.

[Mineshaft]

In the month of August we have 9 starts. 1 4th, 5 3rds, and 3 2nds. Mostly new stock, including our yearling purchases from last year, now 2yos.

To clear the air:

01) Mineshaft was denied the opportunity to become a partner of Renpher Stable years ago. Many reasons. I really don' t think he wants me to elaborate. Thus the very entertaining threads.

02) Schemp is another long time pal with way too much time on his hands, but I do appreciate the ongoing publicity. Some people request information from Renpher Stable, under the guise of wantign to own shares in a race horse. In reality all they want is to read our daily emails and pass along proprietary information.

03) Our barn was hit with more than our share of issues this year. A real nice Midnight Lute filly was put down due to colic. In a period of 3 months we lost 11 horses. The filly, two claims and the rest retired due to injury. Not many barns can sustain that. We certainly had a hard time rebuilding. Most of the horses we were left with just couldn't get it done. I sacrificed starts, which equates to stats, to accomodate requests from owners. Before we retired a horse I certainly gave it every opportunity. I would have preferred to cut some loose, saving the owner $$ to apply to new stock.

04) The last three claims we made, all have been profitable, though we have no wins to show for it.

Last year I had 16 wins, ranked 29th of 580. This year I have 3. Horrible stat. Certinaly not indicative of the effort of everyone in my barn, not just me. We are far better than the record shows. We are surviving on profitablity. Of the 3 seconds, and 5 thirds this month alone we could have won 4 times but didn't. That's the way it goes.

I'm not going to stop entering because my stats stink. I'll keep entering and we all keep working hard. Eventually we will get our fair share.

As for entering $4k horses in starters, my poor buddy Mineshaft doesn't paint the full picture. This horse will be in for $4k once the Handicap Series is over. Why lose her when she can generate good revenue for the partners in short fields? I'm not sure Mineshaft understands the nature of the Series. Races stretch out from 4 1/2, to 5 to 5 1/2 to 6 furlongs. My filly needs the 6 furlongs. She recently rallied to gain 4th at 5/8ths. She earned $1200 for the start. If I ONLY cared about my stats, and I do care about them, I wouldn't have raced her until the 5 1/2 or 6. Problem being the partners would not have an opportunity to gain revenue. I put the horses first, owners second, and myself last. If that impacts my stats so be it. People who know me understand ability versus current stats. Next week I have 4 entries thus far. All the riders agents know me, they see me everyday. I have the top 2 riders on all four of these mounts. Why would they take the calls for a lousy 4% trainer?

Best of luck to all of you.




When you going to run that horse you claimed at Monmouth "Trading Secrets"? I sure would like to get 20/1 on that horse.

You did tell partners about this claim correct? Is it stabled at Penn or Monmouth?

[Mineshaft]

In the month of August we have 9 starts. 1 4th, 5 3rds, and 3 2nds. Mostly new stock, including our yearling purchases from last year, now 2yos.

To clear the air:

01) Mineshaft was denied the opportunity to become a partner of Renpher Stable years ago. Many reasons. I really don' t think he wants me to elaborate. Thus the very entertaining threads.

02) Schemp is another long time pal with way too much time on his hands, but I do appreciate the ongoing publicity. Some people request information from Renpher Stable, under the guise of wantign to own shares in a race horse. In reality all they want is to read our daily emails and pass along proprietary information.

03) Our barn was hit with more than our share of issues this year. A real nice Midnight Lute filly was put down due to colic. In a period of 3 months we lost 11 horses. The filly, two claims and the rest retired due to injury. Not many barns can sustain that. We certainly had a hard time rebuilding. Most of the horses we were left with just couldn't get it done. I sacrificed starts, which equates to stats, to accomodate requests from owners. Before we retired a horse I certainly gave it every opportunity. I would have preferred to cut some loose, saving the owner $$ to apply to new stock.

04) The last three claims we made, all have been profitable, though we have no wins to show for it.

Last year I had 16 wins, ranked 29th of 580. This year I have 3. Horrible stat. Certinaly not indicative of the effort of everyone in my barn, not just me. We are far better than the record shows. We are surviving on profitablity. Of the 3 seconds, and 5 thirds this month alone we could have won 4 times but didn't. That's the way it goes.

I'm not going to stop entering because my stats stink. I'll keep entering and we all keep working hard. Eventually we will get our fair share.

As for entering $4k horses in starters, my poor buddy Mineshaft doesn't paint the full picture. This horse will be in for $4k once the Handicap Series is over. Why lose her when she can generate good revenue for the partners in short fields? I'm not sure Mineshaft understands the nature of the Series. Races stretch out from 4 1/2, to 5 to 5 1/2 to 6 furlongs. My filly needs the 6 furlongs. She recently rallied to gain 4th at 5/8ths. She earned $1200 for the start. If I ONLY cared about my stats, and I do care about them, I wouldn't have raced her until the 5 1/2 or 6. Problem being the partners would not have an opportunity to gain revenue. I put the horses first, owners second, and myself last. If that impacts my stats so be it. People who know me understand ability versus current stats. Next week I have 4 entries thus far. All the riders agents know me, they see me everyday. I have the top 2 riders on all four of these mounts. Why would they take the calls for a lousy 4% trainer?

Best of luck to all of you.





And theres a bunch i could say about this post you made but out of respect for Pace i wont elaborate and embarrass you.

Best of Luck to you..........

[onefast99]

In the month of August we have 9 starts. 1 4th, 5 3rds, and 3 2nds. Mostly new stock, including our yearling purchases from last year, now 2yos.

To clear the air:

01) Mineshaft was denied the opportunity to become a partner of Renpher Stable years ago. Many reasons. I really don' t think he wants me to elaborate. Thus the very entertaining threads.

02) Schemp is another long time pal with way too much time on his hands, but I do appreciate the ongoing publicity. Some people request information from Renpher Stable, under the guise of wantign to own shares in a race horse. In reality all they want is to read our daily emails and pass along proprietary information.

03) Our barn was hit with more than our share of issues this year. A real nice Midnight Lute filly was put down due to colic. In a period of 3 months we lost 11 horses. The filly, two claims and the rest retired due to injury. Not many barns can sustain that. We certainly had a hard time rebuilding. Most of the horses we were left with just couldn't get it done. I sacrificed starts, which equates to stats, to accomodate requests from owners. Before we retired a horse I certainly gave it every opportunity. I would have preferred to cut some loose, saving the owner $$ to apply to new stock.

04) The last three claims we made, all have been profitable, though we have no wins to show for it.

Last year I had 16 wins, ranked 29th of 580. This year I have 3. Horrible stat. Certinaly not indicative of the effort of everyone in my barn, not just me. We are far better than the record shows. We are surviving on profitablity. Of the 3 seconds, and 5 thirds this month alone we could have won 4 times but didn't. That's the way it goes.

I'm not going to stop entering because my stats stink. I'll keep entering and we all keep working hard. Eventually we will get our fair share.

As for entering $4k horses in starters, my poor buddy Mineshaft doesn't paint the full picture. This horse will be in for $4k once the Handicap Series is over. Why lose her when she can generate good revenue for the partners in short fields? I'm not sure Mineshaft understands the nature of the Series. Races stretch out from 4 1/2, to 5 to 5 1/2 to 6 furlongs. My filly needs the 6 furlongs. She recently rallied to gain 4th at 5/8ths. She earned $1200 for the start. If I ONLY cared about my stats, and I do care about them, I wouldn't have raced her until the 5 1/2 or 6. Problem being the partners would not have an opportunity to gain revenue. I put the horses first, owners second, and myself last. If that impacts my stats so be it. People who know me understand ability versus current stats. Next week I have 4 entries thus far. All the riders agents know me, they see me everyday. I have the top 2 riders on all four of these mounts. Why would they take the calls for a lousy 4% trainer?

Best of luck to all of you.
No need to explain anything to the forum members you need to explain the ups and downs of syndicate racing to your partners. They are the ones paying the bills and will be the first to let you know how you are doing when you win or lose!

[Bob O]

Partners are informed daily. Sometimes 3-4 times a day. They know why and when every move is made.

[Bob O]

Ask the owner. It's their business

[proximity]

I guess stables (and owners, trainers, jockeys) are fair game for public discussion, but this seems personal and therefore distasteful to me. Someone getting his jollies from the misfortune of another.

a few years back here (in now deleted posts) renpher was "having a laugh by the gap" about the content of paceadvantage threads with a certain super-trainer. it should be noted that since that time said super-trainer's partner has been arrested on federal charges and a subsequent "associate" of said trainer has been suspended for clenbuterol. I don't find that funny.

I don't root against the guy because he supports the program and I believe he races clean. he didn't seem to think that the juice and off the charts trainer win percentages that the racino era ushered in weren't a big problem and I disagree. he seemed to be just another horseman blinded by the shiny new purses while the quality of the game was circling the toilet.

[Stillriledup]

In the month of August we have 9 starts. 1 4th, 5 3rds, and 3 2nds. Mostly new stock, including our yearling purchases from last year, now 2yos.

To clear the air:

01) Mineshaft was denied the opportunity to become a partner of Renpher Stable years ago. Many reasons. I really don' t think he wants me to elaborate. Thus the very entertaining threads.

02) Schemp is another long time pal with way too much time on his hands, but I do appreciate the ongoing publicity. Some people request information from Renpher Stable, under the guise of wantign to own shares in a race horse. In reality all they want is to read our daily emails and pass along proprietary information.

03) Our barn was hit with more than our share of issues this year. A real nice Midnight Lute filly was put down due to colic. In a period of 3 months we lost 11 horses. The filly, two claims and the rest retired due to injury. Not many barns can sustain that. We certainly had a hard time rebuilding. Most of the horses we were left with just couldn't get it done. I sacrificed starts, which equates to stats, to accomodate requests from owners. Before we retired a horse I certainly gave it every opportunity. I would have preferred to cut some loose, saving the owner $$ to apply to new stock.

04) The last three claims we made, all have been profitable, though we have no wins to show for it.

Last year I had 16 wins, ranked 29th of 580. This year I have 3. Horrible stat. Certinaly not indicative of the effort of everyone in my barn, not just me. We are far better than the record shows. We are surviving on profitablity. Of the 3 seconds, and 5 thirds this month alone we could have won 4 times but didn't. That's the way it goes.

I'm not going to stop entering because my stats stink. I'll keep entering and we all keep working hard. Eventually we will get our fair share.

As for entering $4k horses in starters, my poor buddy Mineshaft doesn't paint the full picture. This horse will be in for $4k once the Handicap Series is over. Why lose her when she can generate good revenue for the partners in short fields? I'm not sure Mineshaft understands the nature of the Series. Races stretch out from 4 1/2, to 5 to 5 1/2 to 6 furlongs. My filly needs the 6 furlongs. She recently rallied to gain 4th at 5/8ths. She earned $1200 for the start. If I ONLY cared about my stats, and I do care about them, I wouldn't have raced her until the 5 1/2 or 6. Problem being the partners would not have an opportunity to gain revenue. I put the horses first, owners second, and myself last. If that impacts my stats so be it. People who know me understand ability versus current stats. Next week I have 4 entries thus far. All the riders agents know me, they see me everyday. I have the top 2 riders on all four of these mounts. Why would they take the calls for a lousy 4% trainer?

Best of luck to all of you.

Sorry about the bad luck, keep up the good fight.

I don't know your stable or horses, but do you think its possible that you're just racing horses over their heads? A lot of times races are won or lost at the entry box, are you running a lot of 20-1s? Or, are you getting beat at 6-5 all the time.

If you're 20-1, you're probably in the wrong race.

Thanks for the post and the contributions, Gl going forward.

[Shemp Howard]

When you going to run that horse you claimed at Monmouth "Trading Secrets"? I sure would like to get 20/1 on that horse.

You did tell partners about this claim correct? Is it stabled at Penn or Monmouth?

I have an assistant trainer at Monmouth who supples me with 1st hand info on horses at Monmouth for my very selective workout +report e-mail business.

He has the low-down on "Trading Secrets" such as they are.

Send me a PM and I'll fill you in, as compensation for the winners at Mountaineer you own.

[Bob O]

I have an assistant trainer at Monmouth who supples me with 1st hand info on horses at Monmouth for my very selective workout +report e-mail business.

He has the low-down on "Trading Secrets" such as they are.

Send me a PM and I'll fill you in, as compensation for the winners at Mountaineer you own.

Trading Secrets was not claimed by Renpher Stable.

[Mineshaft]

Trading Secrets was not claimed by Renpher Stable.





That is correct the horse was not claimed by Renpher it was claimed by you as the trainer.

[Mineshaft]

If a horse cant win for 4K claiming would you put the horse in a Starter Handicap her next race?




I will ask again if the horse cant win for 4K would you put the horse in a series of Starter Handicaps? Are you really putting the horse first when you do that? Do you have the partners best interests when you do that? Just asking.

[PaceAdvantage]

I will ask again if the horse cant win for 4K would you put the horse in a series of Starter Handicaps? Are you really putting the horse first when you do that? Do you have the partners best interests when you do that? Just asking.You could ask this question of LOTS of trainers...why do you single out this one?

Oh, that's right...all of this dialog could so easily be done privately...but you know that already...

[Mineshaft]

You could ask this question of LOTS of trainers...why do you single out this one?

Oh, that's right...all of this dialog could so easily be done privately...but you know that already...



ive singled out Lukas plenty of times. Remember he ran that Maiden in a Grade 2 at FG this past year?

[Mineshaft]

If you have a horse that cant win a 16K NW-2 Lifetime race do you really think he can win an NW-2 Allowance race? Do you really have partners best interests when you do that? Think about that.

[pele polo]

ive singled out Lukas plenty of times. Remember he ran that Maiden in a Grade 2 at FG this past year?

I also remember Lukas running a maiden in a breeders cup race and winning.

[PaceAdvantage]

If you have a horse that cant win a 16K NW-2 Lifetime race do you really think he can win an NW-2 Allowance race? Do you really have partners best interests when you do that? Think about that.You're wasting your time on here. You should be outside the barn carrying a picket sign...

[Mineshaft]

You're wasting your time on here. You should be outside the barn carrying a picket sign...



Penn National a long way from me i think i will pass. Maybe i might claim one of his steeds one day.

[EMD4ME]

Where is Trading Secrets?

[Mineshaft]

Where is Trading Secrets?



Thats a good question. No works since July. Did they claim a cripple?

[PaceAdvantage]

Thats a good question. No works since July. Did they claim a cripple?If you're not in the partnership, why do you care so much whether they did or not?

[Mineshaft]

If you're not in the partnership, why do you care so much whether they did or not?




I was looking to bet the horse when it ran under those connections. Figured i would get a good price. Now with the layoff i might get a better price but may not bet it.

[Mineshaft]

Justifiable Cause breaks the Maiden after being claimed away from Renpher 2 months ago. Amazing what the horse can do when in the right hands.

[Shemp Howard]

Justifiable Cause breaks the Maiden after being claimed away from Renpher 2 months ago. Amazing what the horse can do when in the right hands.

When Updated Daily wins the $100K Smart Halo Stakes next month at Laurel you'll be changing your tune.

[Fager Fan]

Can someone fill me in on who the person with the personal vendetta in this thread? If it's going to be allowed to continue, then let's know the identities of all parties.

[PaceAdvantage]

It doesn't matter. Any more references to this vastly tired subject will be deleted from now on...moderators take note.

[Mineshaft]

So what can we post and not post in this thread? If we can't post then might as
we'll take the thread down.

[Shemp Howard]

Renpher is the best.

[proximity]

has anyone called for a price on the black Columbia brand Falmouth parka?

it's getting cold here in Grantville. :)

[PaceAdvantage]

Renpher is the best.At least this isn't the same old same old... :lol:

I mean really...the way you guys have droned on over YEARS would make one think this topic is worth a Ray Paulick expose...yet...nobody besides you two really seems to care...am I right?

[Mineshaft]

At least this isn't the same old same old... :lol:

I mean really...the way you guys have droned on over YEARS would make one think this topic is worth a Ray Paulick expose...yet...nobody besides you two really seems to care...am I right?




I think more people care than just us two. At least thats what a couple of posters have told me in PM's. I just want to know whats off limits in the thread. Not being a pri ck just want to know whats acceptable.

[EMD4ME]

I vote to keep this thread open, if anyone cares.

[PaceAdvantage]

I think more people care than just us two. At least thats what a couple of posters have told me in PM's. I just want to know whats off limits in the thread. Not being a pri ck just want to know whats acceptable.Your message has been sent and received many, many times.

Why do you persist on repeating yourself over and over and over and over again? Maybe you can answer this simple question.

[proximity]

when the thread started renpher was as hot as a firecracker. now they're struggling though, so let's close the thread? i just lost three poker sessions in a row, maybe i should stop my poker thread too? :faint:

[tucker6]

when the thread started renpher was as hot as a firecracker. now they're struggling though, so let's close the thread? i just lost three poker sessions in a row, maybe i should stop my poker thread too? :faint:
Your poker thread makes me cry. :D

As to this thread, no matter what Renpher Stables has or has not done to others to possibly deserve such treatment, going about it in an anonymous way by insinuating bad acts on the internet isn't taking any moral or ethical high ground. In fact, all of that ground still remains untaken by the accusers.

[proximity]

Your poker thread makes me cry. :D


stay strong tucker!

cards will be in the air again soon!! :D

[Shemp Howard]

has anyone called for a price on the black Columbia brand Falmouth parka?

it's getting cold here in Grantville. :)

$200.00 or free if you take 3% of Formal Ice,

[proximity]

thanks shemp. i couldn't call for the price after my phone was repossessed. i kept betting the red and black. :(

[Shemp Howard]

thanks shemp. i couldn't call for the price after my phone was repossessed. i kept betting the red and black. :(


Red - the blood of angry men!
Black - the dark of ages past!
Red - a world about to dawn!
Black - the night that ends at last!