Anniversorry of ObamaCare

[bigmack]

2 years old. Brace yourself for the "terrible two's."

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/e/e2/e2bb3e62_pelosi-gavel.jpeg

[Let's Roll]

A day that will live in infamy.

[boxcar]

A day that will live in infamy.

In an ABC poll, 2/3 of Americans want ObamaCare to go away and die so that it can provide food for the maggots.

ABC Poll: 67% Want the Supreme Court to Rule Against ObamaCare’s Individual Mandate

Two-thirds of Americans say the U.S. Supreme Court should throw out either the individual mandate in the federal health care law or the law in its entirety, signaling the depth of public disagreement with that element of the Affordable Care Act.

https://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/abc-poll-67-want-the-supreme-court-to-rule-against-obamacares-individual-mandate/

Boxcar

[mostpost]

A day that will live in infamy.
On the one hand you have the attack on Pearl Harbor. Twenty Four Hundred and two American servicemen were killed and One Thousand four hundred and fifty seven were injured. On the other hand you have the passage of a bill designed to provide health insurance coverage for millions who did not previously have any. In your mind the second is as great a tragedy as the first. You need to seriously reevaluate your priorities. :mad: :mad:

[bigmack]

:mad: :mad:
Are those supposed to let us know you're mad about him/her using infamy? :D

First, you should look up the meaning. Then you should ask yourself if anyone could ever use infamy in a sentence and not suffer the wrath of you ignorantly equating one word with one event.

-They further gained lasting infamy for their supposed part in rounding up rebels for the dreaded " bloody assize " .
- Such infamy may not be far off for liam frost.
- The company achieved infamy three years ago when several of its advertisements were banned by hello!
- To have been defeated under such circumstances would have been a source of lasting infamy to any naval officer in the world.
- Nelson: ' i've never heard such infamy.
- Having quickly established his own infamy among the graffiti elite and built a reputation for blazing trails.

[johnhannibalsmith]

On the one hand you have the attack on Pearl Harbor. Twenty Four Hundred and two American servicemen were killed and One Thousand four hundred and fifty seven were injured. On the other hand you have the passage of a bill designed to provide health insurance coverage for millions who did not previously have any. In your mind the second is as great a tragedy as the first. You need to seriously reevaluate your priorities. :mad: :mad:

There are many that see that passage of the bill (particularly the mandate) as a massive erosion of our liberty, a concept that many, many, many more men died for during our history. Your outrage may be tempered if you instead look at how someone that subscribes to that perspective might not find the analogy quite so far off the reservation.

[boxcar]

What would be hilarious about Mosty's post, if he weren't such mind-numbed robot, is that he ignores the fact that 2/3 of Americans want the mandate or the entire bill to go down in infamy. :lol: :lol:

Boxcar
P.S. Mosty, here's a clue: The term "disgrace" is a synonym for "infamy". :rolleyes:

[Lefty]

According to the CBO, now the bill is going to cost twice as much as Obama said it would. And yes, Mosty, when he took away 500,000 from Medicare to try
and keep the damn thing below a trillion,and now it's going to be double, it's not a good thing at all.
Also there's a provision that's still to kick in that will allow business to pay the govt 8% and not provide their employees the healthcare insurance they had been providing. See where it's going?
Hint: SINGLE PAYER!

[ArlJim78]

Obamacare is like a slow motion Pearl Harbor, if it is allowed to move forward.
It would be naive to think that it won't cost people their lives. It will.
Seniors are in the crosshairs because they consume the most.
It will drive up costs while reducing innovation and choices. The meager actual benefits could have been achieved for a fraction of the price without all the disruption to the system. of course then they wouldn't have had a vehicle with which to pass mandates on to the Catholic church. of course Obamacare was all about government control, not about acheiving a better outcome or reducing costs.
Never have more lies been told about a piece of legislation than this one.

[FantasticDan]

According to the CBO, now the bill is going to cost twice as much as Obama said it would.
Bullshit.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/19/447098/gops-distortion-of-affordable-care-acts-new-cbo-estimate-exposes-the-weakness-of-their-arguments-against-reform/

http://factcheck.org/2012/03/gop-misrepresents-cbo/

[lsbets]

On the one hand you have the attack on Pearl Harbor. Twenty Four Hundred and two American servicemen were killed and One Thousand four hundred and fifty seven were injured. On the other hand you have the passage of a bill designed to provide health insurance coverage for millions who did not previously have any. In your mind the second is as great a tragedy as the first. You need to seriously reevaluate your priorities. :mad: :mad:

Both were attacks on liberty. One by a foreign power (leaving it open for the obligatory birther jokes).

[lsbets]

Bullshit.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/19/447098/gops-distortion-of-affordable-care-acts-new-cbo-estimate-exposes-the-weakness-of-their-arguments-against-reform/

http://factcheck.org/2012/03/gop-misrepresents-cbo/

Yes, anything thinkprogress prints is bullshit.

[ArlJim78]

the reality is that the costs didn't double, it's just that they used every gimmick in the book to make the cost look small in order to pass the bill. for example in the final draft that they sent to the CBO for scoring before the big vote, they included 10 years of the new tax revenue against only 6 years of benefits. bingo! they came out with that magic figure of $50 billion saved over 10 years. that was a giant crock of shit and everyone knew it.

now that we have moved forward a few years that gimmick has expired so a true accounting is getting closer.

as I recall one of the other gimmicks is that they double counted the $500 bllion that they stole from medicare.

In any event, the costs have not begun to take shape yet, and as with every government program will continue to escalate beyond anyones imagination.

[bigmack]

Bullshit.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/19/447098/gops-distortion-of-affordable-care-acts-new-cbo-estimate-exposes-the-weakness-of-their-arguments-against-reform/
So, where did Republicans get their $1.76 trillion cost figure? That’s the gross cost for 11 years ending in 2022. Republicans inappropriately compare that figure to the original estimate of $938 billion for the 10-year period ending in 2019.

11 instead of 10 years and you whine, BS, when BO is running around talking about people saving $8000/yr on gas. :lol:

I get it. You're selective about what you consider bullshit.

[mostpost]

Bullshit.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/19/447098/gops-distortion-of-affordable-care-acts-new-cbo-estimate-exposes-the-weakness-of-their-arguments-against-reform/

http://factcheck.org/2012/03/gop-misrepresents-cbo/
You could have also pointed them to this brilliant analysis. :lol:
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92337 post #5

[mostpost]

Both were attacks on liberty. One by a foreign power (leaving it open for the obligatory birther jokes).

Whatever could he mean by that?? I know. :eek: Obama's not an American. :eek:

[mostpost]

Yes, anything thinkprogress prints is bullshit.

Yet everything they (and Fact Check) printed can be verified by looking at the CBO report and using one's mind. Something many of your comrades have difficulty doing.

[ArlJim78]

here (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/03/21/cbos-estimates-of-obamacare-revisited/)is a good current rundown of the sad state of affairs with regard to Obamacare funding. keep in mind that way back when our best and brightest were off on the future cost of medicare by a tenfold. with Obamacare before the ink was even dry it started to unravel and the con game was exposed.

some of the bulletpoints;



The problems start with some “pay-fors” that were doomed
from the get-go. Just after enactment, the ridiculous paperwork provision that
was going to require all employers to report even the smallest contractual
transactions to the IRS caused such an uproar that it was repealed, with scores
of Democrats joining in the fun of repeal just months after voting to impose the
requirement on businesses. Then the Administration pulled the plug on the
ill-begotten CLASS Act, the voluntary long-term care program that hitched a ride
on Obamacare because CBO said it would reduce the deficit by $70 billion over a
decade. Right there, more than $70 billion of the supposed 10-year deficit
reduction of $123 billion from the original cost estimate is already gone




Next up is double-counting. The law relied heavily on
cuts to the Medicare program to pay for the massive entitlement expansions in
the legislation. But a large part of the Medicare cuts (and payroll tax
increases) is also supposed to pay for future benefits out of the Medicare
Hospital Insurance trust fund. In other words, the savings from the cuts and
taxes is spent twice—once on Obamacare’s entitlements and then again to fill a
hole in the trust fund so that future Medicare claims can be met. The end result
is not deficit reduction, as Obamacare’s apologists claim, but a massive
increase in deficit spending over the long term.




Then there are the scores of implausible assumptions.
The Medicare cuts that are double-counted may not survive long anyway, because
they are so indiscriminate and blunt that the chief actuary of the Medicare
program has warned multiple times that they cannot be relied on. If they are
implemented as written, they will cause severe access problems for seniors, as
declining payment rates from Medicare will drive hospitals and other providers
to stop taking elderly patients.




Further, even CBO admits that there is great uncertainty
surrounding employer and worker responses to the massive entitlement promises in
the law. According to CBO’s recent simulations on employer responses, a family
of four with income at 200 percent of the poverty line in 2016 would get $11,300
more in government assistance for health care inside the exchanges than from
employer-paid health care. That’s a huge amount of money for a family with
$50,000 in annual income. And yet CBO’s original cost estimate showed very few
of those people migrating form employer plans into the exchanges. In one of the
scenarios CBO released last week, it estimates that the cost of the legislation
would go up by $36 billion if just 20 percent of low-wage workers migrated into
the exchanges from employer plans. But what if 40 percent, 60 percent, or 80
percent migrate? The costs of the legislation will balloon.




Finally, there are the omitted costs. CBO admits that a
lot of the costs for administering Obamacare aren’t counted in the original cost
estimate. There’s at least $5 billion to $10 billion in Health and Human
Services (HHS) spending, and another $5 billion to $10 billion for the IRS. Just
this year, HHS asked for an additional $850 million to pay for setting up a
federal backup exchange in 2013. None of these costs are counted in the original
cost estimate. Further, there’s the $300 billion in physician fees. The
Administration scooped up every Medicare cut it could find to pay for Obamacare
and then said it wanted to add new physician fee spending to the deficit without
any offsets. But just because they tried to keep two sets of books doesn’t mean
the deficit won’t go up. It will, as the combined effect of the “doc fix” and
Obamacare is unquestionably an increase in the deficit.