Just Getting Worse for California

[JustRalph]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/13/exodus-california-tax-revenue-plunges-by-22

and Jerry Brown is at the helm.......that should make people feel better

Spectrum Locations Consultants recorded 254 California companies moved some or all of their work and jobs out of state in 2011, 26% more than in 2010 and five times as many as in 2009. According SLC President, Joe Vranich: the “top ten reasons companies are leaving California: 1) Poor rankings in surveys 2) More adversarial toward business 3) Uncontrollable public spending 4) Unfriendly business climate 5) Provable savings elsewhere 6) Most expensive business locations 7) Unfriendly legal environment for business 8) Worst regulatory burden 9) Severe tax treatment 10) Unprecedented energy costs.

[BlueShoe]

And what is the "solution" that Governor Moonbeam and his Marxist cronies have come up with? Yup, you got it, raise taxes. :faint: Drive even more businesses and productive persons with their wealth and skills to other states, thus decreasing revenues even more. Just what the state needs. :rolleyes: :mad: There are going to be several tax raising initiatives on the ballot this election, and you know what? They very likely will be approved by the clueless dolts that comprise much of the California electorate. Remember this; in the 2010 election most of the states rejected Marxism and rolled it back, but California chose to embrace it even further.

[delayjf]

raise taxes.

Most of which will be used to pump up the underfunded Union Pensions.

[cj's dad]

Most of which will be used to pump up the underfunded Union Pensions.

and entitlements for the Mexican Democrats crossing the border daily.

[DJofSD]

While the BLS has reported job growth, California has reported steadily declining tax revenues. I believe it was the WSJ that concluded if there is job growth in CA then it must be the burger flipping kind.

[BlueShoe]

and entitlements for the Mexican Democrats crossing the border daily.

Recent polls indicate that Hispanic voters will vote overwhelmingly Democratic in the upcoming election. In California 37% of the population is Hispanic/Latino. Non Hispanic Whites are now only 40% of the population, Blacks 6%, and Asians 13%. While there are many individual exceptions, voters from racial minorities vote heavily Democratic. Put bluntly, this means that conservative Whites have and are going to be, outvoted. The combined votes of the minorities, aided by blocs of White liberals, are going to continue to vote for far left politicians, thus adding further to California's woes. This is demographics 101, and there is virtually nothing that can be done to change this trend. While there are many areas of California that are still strong Republican conservative strongholds, the overall trend of California politics is ever more to the left, thus worsening the state's many problems even more.

[badcompany]

Recent polls indicate that Hispanic voters will vote overwhelmingly Democratic in the upcoming election. In California 37% of the population is Hispanic/Latino. Non Hispanic Whites are now only 40% of the population, Blacks 6%, and Asians 13%. While there are many individual exceptions, voters from racial minorities vote heavily Democratic. Put bluntly, this means that conservative Whites have and are going to be, outvoted. The combined votes of the minorities, aided by blocs of White liberals, are going to continue to vote for far left politicians, thus adding further to California's woes. This is demographics 101, and there is virtually nothing that can be done to change this trend. While there are many areas of California that are still strong Republican conservative strongholds, the overall trend of California politics is ever more to the left, thus worsening the state's many problems even more.

Sounds like the state needs to be broken in two.

Most of which will be used to pump up the underfunded Union Pensions.

These are the so-called "Sticky Wages" to which Keynes referred. They're sticky because they've been manipulated. To correct this problem, Keynesians must resort to deficit spending (delayed taxation) and money printing which, of course, cause inflation and lower real wages, making everyone poorer.

California is essentially at the end game of Socialism where the government controls everything and chaos ensues.

[GameTheory]

Sounds like the state needs to be broken in two.More like five, but yeah.

[BlueShoe]

Sounds like the state needs to be broken in two.
Or three, or five, or ten. This has been a popular topic for years, often humorous tongue in cheek, sometimes serious. Articles and books have been written and the topic widely discussed on internet forums. California is so immense, so diverse geographically, economically, socially, racially, and politically, that it well could be split into many new states. Have seen a few very creative thoughtful maps drawn to show how the state might logically be divided. All talk aside, it takes an act of Congress to create a new state, and that would mean a logjam over politics; new state would be Red or Blue, how many Congressmen would each get, what party would dominate, etc. Bottom line is not going to happen, although many, including myself, wish it would.

[Robert Goren]

Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.

[badcompany]

Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.

http://www.bigpuddlefilms.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Cwby-laugh4-SM.jpg

[GameTheory]

Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.Yeah, that's why the recalled Gray Davis -- cause it was so great before that.

[bigmack]

Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.
It's official. You're ignorant, AND definitely have a screw loose.

[BlueShoe]

Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.
California political history is obviously not one of your strong points. California has not had a conservative at the helm since Ronald Reagan was governor, and Ronnie left Sacramento in 1975. George Deukmejian and Pete Wilson were moderates often at odds with conservatives, and as we all know, AaaaNold is a total RINO, a moderate Democrat pretending to be a Republican. In the meantime the State Senate, Assembly and elective offices have been dominated by Democrats. Today, every statewide elective office is held by a Democrat. California is to the rest of the nation as Greece is to the rest of Europe; a poster child for the utter failure of liberalism. At the rate California is sinking into the muck we may soon make Greece almost appear prosperous by comparison.

[delayjf]

The best way to fix CA is to let it fail.

[cj's dad]

The best way to fix CA is to let it fail.

same thing for GM and Chrysler; banks also.

[boxcar]

Won't happen, guys. Libs reward failure and punish success. It's what they do.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren
Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.

What color is the sky in your little world?

[Dave Schwartz]

Of course California is in bad shape. That what happens to state that has been governed by some rich conservative republican for a bunch of years. It is going to take Brown many years to undo the harm that the previous skirt chasing governor did. He can't just wave a magic wand undo all the crazy things Arnold did in one fell swoop.

Rarely do I comment on stuff like this.

This will be no exception because I cannot think of anything to say.

[GameTheory]

I have to believe Robert Goren is just teasing us on this one, trying to get a reaction. He's not that dumb.

[BlueShoe]

I have to believe Robert Goren is just teasing us on this one, trying to get a reaction. He's not that dumb.
Oh really? This is just the liberal kneejerk reaction; blame conservatives for problems they never caused. Say that it is all the fault of Republicans, when in fact it was Democratic ineptness that caused the problems in the first place and then made it worse. All leftists do this, not just RG, it is part of their psyche. If there is one glaring poster child for all the nation to see it is California. The no longer Golden State is the prime example of the utter failure of liberalism. California is firmly in the grasp of the far left, and because of demographic and political reasons given in an earlier post, see little or no chance for a reversal of its problems. California is, in many ways and places, still a wonderful place to live, but the issues it must address and solve are formidable. For those in other states there is a grim warning; it has long been said that so goes California so goes the rest of the nation.

[so.cal.fan]

by drilling for all our natural gas and oil? We have huge quanities of these resources and it seems this would solve the problem or at least add more revenue to avoid more tax hikes.

[DJofSD]

Sure. The revenue from the leases would be substantial. But unless we get rid of the democrats, (1) it will never happen, and (2) they'll rationalize spending, now, all of the projected revenues and then some. OPM is addictive.

[JustRalph]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/27/as-california-collapses-obama-follows-its-lead.html

A little Wonky, but covers the wholesale decline of California pretty well.

This is the kind of crap I am up reading when the insomnia kicks in........

[Robert Goren]

There is one universal truth. Conservatives will never accept the blame of for their actions while they were in charge and will blame their liberal successors when they aren't able fix the the mess they left over night. I have seen this happen many times over the years whether it be on the state level or the national level. Just one time I like to see a conservative say screwed up and I wish my successor luck in cleaning up my mess, but I doubt that will ever happen. What always happens is that they stay quite for a year or two after they office and then pretend that the last year of their administration was the second year of their successors.

[DJofSD]

Again, the detective wants to assess blame. Solve the problem? Not my problem.

[JustRalph]

There is one universal truth. Conservatives will never accept the blame of for their actions while they were in charge and will blame their liberal successors when they aren't able fix the the mess they left over night. I have seen this happen many times over the years whether it be on the state level or the national level. Just one time I like to see a conservative say screwed up and I wish my successor luck in cleaning up my mess, but I doubt that will ever happen. What always happens is that they stay quite for a year or two after they office and then pretend that the last year of their administration was the second year of their successors.

You are joking right? You are blaming California's problems on conservatives?

[Robert Goren]

You are joking right? You are blaming California's problems on conservatives? They had over seven years of Arnold, the hero of conservative movement when he took office and as usual when a conservative falls on his face, the conservatives say he was not a real conservative. That kind of damage control from conservatives is getting old. But that is all they have.

[DJofSD]

Arnold was not a conservative. You want to label him such b/c he had an "R" assigned to him but that is meaningless.

[Robert Goren]

Arnold was not a conservative. You want to label him such b/c he had an "R" assigned to him but that is meaningless. You prove my point. As soon as a conservative flops, the conservatives will deny he was ever a conservative. It happens every time.

[DJofSD]

Who flopped? Not me. I never liked Arnold and never thought he was a person to be trusted. It turned out, I was right.

[delayjf]

You prove my point. As soon as a conservative flops, the conservatives will deny he was ever a conservative. It happens every time.

Your right, every time a conservative gets into office and then abandons Conservative principle - they will fail.

[PaceAdvantage]

When was Arnold ever a conservative?

[GameTheory]

When was Arnold ever a conservative?Or considered one? Or touted as one? The governor doesn't have that much power in California anyway, no matter who they are. The unions run the state.

[Tom]

I see why there is only one Law and Order left on TV.

[delayjf]

The unions run the state.

Boy is that ever the truth - CA Law makers in the Unions pocket are attempting to craft laws that will prevent a city, county or other municipality from declaring bankruptsy.

[BlueShoe]

They had over seven years of Arnold, the hero of conservative movement when he took office and as usual when a conservative falls on his face, the conservatives say he was not a real conservative.
AaaaNold was never the hero of California conservatives. In the recall election of 2003 Tom McClintock, a man that I strongly supported, was the conservative wing of the GOP's choice. Using today's political labels, at best AaaaNold would be catagorized as a moderate or Blue Dog Democrat. California today might be a very different place had McClintock, now a Congressman, become governor.

[JustRalph]

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/30/california-by-the-numbers/

Check out some of the numbers on california in this article. Keep voting for those fools :ThmbUp:

Btw, Texas is looking pretty good to me........

[JustRalph]

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/03/go-west-young-man-go-west-unless-youre-into-being-successful/

Go west young man!

[BlueShoe]

When California liberals are presented a never ending stream of articles and studies like the ones posted above and elsewhere about what dire shape the state is in, they react in the manner that we have come to expect from liberals. "Everything is still fine." "Right wing propaganda." "Conservative scare tactics." "That is a far right wing web site (or newspaper, or author, or person), I don't believe a thing it says.", etc, ad nauseum. Denial, attack the messenger and ignore the message, the left never changes. Will be interesting to see what happens if and when California comes crashing down and the lefties are forced to withdraw their heads from the sand, stop believing in Pollyanna and are confronted with reality.

[Steve 'StatMan']

They're very concerned about "saving the planet" 100+ years from now, but won't save their own state in the immediate future. Then again, maybe they think the rest of the nation will do that for them if it ever happens.

[Tom]

Give California to Mexico and let them worry about it.
Why should the rest of us pay for their stupidity.
We DO NOT need 50 states.

[DJofSD]

Give California to Mexico and let them worry about it.
Why should the rest of us pay for their stupidity.
We DO NOT need 50 states.
Hey, let's give New York back to the British then.

[GaryG]

And while we're at it, Tennessee can give Memphis to Mississippi, all except the Sun Records bldg and the statue of Elvis. They would need to be moved.

[Tom]

Hey, let's give New York back to the British then.

Did we ever get NY from the Brits? :rolleyes:
I think NY would not be missed.

[JBmadera]

we're bailing, our last kid is at UC, don't need to get much for our house, gonna miss the weather that's for sure but I literally cannot stand living here - watching the local news makes me sick.

trying to get mrs jb to consider Louisiana. I'd love to get back into the t-bred game and damn those purses for 5k-7.5k claimers look juicy.

[BlueShoe]

We DO NOT need 50 states.
But a certain former community organizer says that we need 57. :confused: :rolleyes:

[johnhannibalsmith]

Time to raise taxes! Or else we MAY have to cut spending!



California's budget deficit has swelled to a projected $16 billion — much larger than had been predicted just months ago — and will force severe cuts to schools and public safety if voters fail to approve tax increases in November, Gov. Jerry Brown said Saturday.

The Democratic governor said the shortfall grew from $9.2 billion in January in part because tax collections have not come in as high as expected and the economy isn't growing as fast as hoped for.


http://news.yahoo.com/california-facing-higher-16-billion-shortfall-213905732--finance.html

[JustRalph]

12 months from now they will be talking recall? 18 if he can tap dance a little

[GaryG]

Cuts to schools and public safety the gov says.... What about social services to the massive number of invaders from south of the border? I enjoyed the time I spent out there and still play the SoCal races on a daily basis. Last visited 5 years ago and will not be going back.

Support Arizona by visiting and spending lots of money there.