Ridersup Sunday 03/04/2012

[Jay Trotter]

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THE RIDERSUP MEMORIAL
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INNER TRACK CHALLENGE

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POST YOUR
SUNDAY , MARCH 4th PLAYS
IN THIS THREAD

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[Jay Trotter]

DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES
TO TACKLE ON THE DERBY TRAIL?

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CONTEST 4

THE HOWARD SARTIN/JIM BRADSHAW MEMORIAL

“ROAD TO THE ROSES”
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BANKROLL BUILDER CHALLENGE

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BEGINS SATURDAY, MARCH 10TH

SEE DETAILS (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89956)

EARN YOUR P.A.C.S. POINTS

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[pktruckdriver]

Early
$2 Pick-4: 4,5 / 7,8 / 1,2,3,4,5,7 / 4,5,7,8
Bets: 96 Total: $192

$2 Pick-4: 1 / 7,8 / 3 / 4,8
Bets: 4 Total: $8


patrick

[buffaloxp]

early p4 3/4
$6 p4= :2: :4: :1: :5: // :7: // :3: :1: :2: :7: // :8: :9: =192
$8 p4= :2: :7: :1: :8: =8
total=200

[Shemp Howard]

Late P4

$8 3,7//6,10//1,7//6,10,13 $192

$1 3/10/1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8/6 $8

[BIG RED]

Early

$10 ... 1 // 2,8 // 6,7,8 // 4,8,9 ... $180

$5 ... 5 // 7,8 // 8 // 8,9 ..............$20

[WarEmblem]

4-MARCH-12
SUNDAY
AQUEDUCT
EARLY-PICK-4

1-2-4-5//3//1-7-8//8-9-10. $5.00=$180.00

1-2-5//3//8//10. $5.00=$15.00

5//3//8//10. $5.00=$5.00

TICKET TOTAL.$200.00

[Indypacer]

Early Pick 4:

$1.00 Pick 4: 1,2,4,5,6 // 2,3,5,7 // 1,2,4,7,8 // 8,9 = $200

[MONEY]

Early
$1.00

1,4,5 // 2,7,8 // 1,3,7,8,9 // 8,9,19 $135.00

$2.00

1,4,5 // 2,7,8 // 1,7,8 // 8 $54.00

$3.00

1 // 2,7,8 // 7 // 8 $9.00

$1.00

1 // 7,8 // 7 // 8 $2.00

[andtheyreoff]

Early Pick 4

$2 Pick 4- 3,4/2,3,7/1,2,3,5/6,8,9,10 Cost-$192
$8 Pick 4- 4/7/1/9 Cost-$8

Total Cost-$200

[ndsc32]

$10 Late Pick 4

1,3,6,7,8 // 9,10 // 1,4 // 7 = $200.

Thanks.

[rgustafson]

$1 late pick four: 2,3,6//3,6,9,10//1,7,8,9,10//1,4,10,12 $192

[scb5679]

Early

$1.00 Pick-4:… 2,3,4,5 // 2,3 // 1,3,4,5,7 // 1/1A,6,8,9,10=200.00

Total $200.00

[toetoe]

@$3:

2,6,8 // 6,8,9,10 // 2,5,7,9 // 1 = $144;




@$2:

2 // 6 // 9 // 1,4,5,6,7,9 = $12.




@$1:

2 // 6,9 // 2,9 // 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 = $44; Total $200. :)

[tiger rose]

LATE
$20 5,8//2//9//12 $40
$10 6,8//6,8,10//9//12 $60
$5 2,3,6,8//6,7,8,9,10//9//12 $100

[Stan717]

Late Pick 4
$1 Pick-4: 2,6,7,8 // 3,7,8,9,10 // 1,2,5,7,9 // 1,12 = $200.00
TOTAL = $200.00

[camourous]

EARLY PICK 4

$4 :1: / :1: :5: :7: :8: / :1: :5: :8: / :3: :8: :9: :10: = $192

[HuggingTheRail]

Early

$1 1,3,4,5 // 2,3,7,8 // 1,5,7 // 6,8,9,10 = $192

$1 1,3,4,5 // 2,7 // 7 // 8 = $8

[Red Knave]

EARLY

$1 - 1, 2, 4, 5 // 2, 7, 8 // 1, 7, 8 // 3, 5, 8, 9, 10 --- $180
$1 - 1 // 3, 5 // 7, 8 // 8, 9, 10 --- $12
$1 - 1 // 7, 8 // 7, 8 // 9, 10 --- $8

[Maumeeriverangler]

$200-- 5 // 5 // 7 // 7

[FunkyMonkey]

late p4
$1
2,3,6,8//3,6,8,9,10//1,4,5,7,9//1,12
$200

[Robert Goren]

$1 tickets 2,3,6,7,8//2,6,9,10//1,7//2,3,5,8,11 ($200)

[dylbert]

Late P4

$10: 3,6 // 3,6,9,10 // 1,7 // 1 = 160

$10: 3 // 3,6,9,10 // 7 // 1 = 40

[jacklantern]

late pick 4

$1
2,3,6,8 // 3,6,8,10 // 1,4,7,8 // 1,4,10
$192

[Milleruszk]

$1.00 - Late

3,6//3,6,8,9,10//1,4,7,9//1,4,7,10,12 = $200.00

[eclecticapper]

$1 Early P4: 1,3 // 1,2,7,8 // 1,5,6,7 // 9,10 = $64

$1 Early P4: 1,3,6 // 1,2,7 // 1,7 // 2,3,4,5,8,9,10 = $126

$1 Early P4: 1,2,3,4,6 // 1,7 // 7 // 9 = $10

[terrygolf1313]

late pick 4

2-3-8-6//3-6-9-10//5-7-9-10//1-2-12

[Enigma]

LATE $12.00 PICK 4

3-8/7-9/5-7/1-10.

[canleakid]

:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: LATE P-4 :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

ALL $10.00 tickets:

3,6 // 3,7 // 1,7 // 1-10 =$160

6//3//1//1

8//6//9//4

2//3//2//7

3//7//5/12

:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

[jfejr67]

$1.00

3,6 // 3,6,7,9,10 // 1,5,7,8,9 // 1,5,10,12 =$200

[Fwizard]

$1 4,6//3,5,7//1,4,5,7//1,2,7,8,9 (120.00)
$1 4,6//3,5,7//1,4,5//1,2,7,8 (72.00)
$1 4,6//3,5//4,5//1 (8.00)

[pat5336]

$100.00 Pick 4: 1 // 8 // 8 // 9,10 ($200.00)

Total = $200.00

[AlbertButtry]

Late P4


$1....... 2,3,6,10 / 3,7 / 1,4,7,8,9 / 1,4,6,7,12..... 200 total

[TBred17Roan]

Early Pick 4

$5 Pick 4 : :1: :2: :3: :4: :5: :6: /// :2: :6: /// :2: :8: :9: /// :7: ($180)

$10 Pick 4 : :5: /// :6: /// :2: :8: /// :7: ($20)

total $200

[Aner]

EarlyP4

$1 = 1 // 1,2,3,4,7,8 // 1,2,3,4,7,9 // 1,6,8,9,10 = $180

$1 = 1,2,4,5 // 3 // 1,9 // 9,10 = $16

$1 = 1 // 1,3 // 7 // 9,10 = $4

[Gary~G1]

$1... 3,4,7,8 // 3,6,9,10 // 2,5,7,9 // 1,3,10.....192

$1... 3,8 // 3,6 // 5,9 // 1.............................8

Total 200

[cdax]

Early P4

$1.00 = 1,3,4,5 // 2,3,5,7,8 // 1,7 // 4,7,8,9,10 = $200.00

[Immanuel Kant]

Sun Mar 4

EARLY PICK 4

$1.....1, 4, 6 // 2, 3, 5, 7, 8 // 2, 7, 8 // 8, 9, 10 =$135

$4......6 // 2, 3, 5, 7, 8 // 2 // 8, 9, 10 =$60

$5...... 6 // 5 // 7 // 8 =$5

total $200

[maclr11]

$1 P4 1,4/2,3,7,8/1,4,5,7,8/1,1A,6,8,9,10

$200.00

Early P4

[Jay Trotter]

Early Pick 4

$1 P4: 1,3,4,5 // 2,3,7 // 1,4,7 // 8,9,10 ($108)
$5 P4: 1,3 // 3,7 // 1,7 // 8,9 ($80)
$12 P4: 3 // 3 // 1 // 9 ($12)

Total = $200 :cool:

[mrhorseplayer]

Early

$1 5,6//2,3,7,8//4,6,7,8//4,8,9,10 128
$1 1,6//3,8//4,6,7,8//5,7,8,9 64,
$1 1//8//5,7//5,7,8,9 8

total 200

[ten2oneormore]

Late Pick 4

$3---3//1,3,6,9,10//7,9//4,6,9,10=$120
$1---3//1,3,6,9,10//1,2,8,10//4,6,9,10=$80

Total - $200

[highrider]

Early

$1..1//7,8//1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9//1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10...$180
$5..1//7,8//4,5//8..$20..$200 Total

[horses4courses]

$16 1/3,7/1,7,8/8,9 = $192

$1 1/3,7/7,8/8,9 = $8

[Trijack]

Early

2.00: 1,6 // 3,7,8 // 2,4,8 // 8,9,10 (108.00)

2.00: 1,6 // 3,7 // 1,7,8 // 8,9,10 (72.00)

5.00: 1 // 3 // 4,5 // 8,9 (20.00)

Total 200.00

[Gapfire]

Late

$1) 1,3,6,8 // 1,3,6,8,10 // 4,5,7,8,9 // 10,12 =$200

[JETSWIN]

EARLY

$30 2,4//8//2,6//9 = $120

$40 1//8//2,6//9 = $80

[BlazingBy]

Early P4 Sun

$13 - 4,6 / 2 / 7,8 / 8,10 - 104
$5 - 1 / 7,8 / 1,2,3,4 / 8,10 - 80
$1 - 4,6 / 2 / 1,2,3,4 / 5,6 -16

=200 total

[pioneer476]

3/4
Late pick 4

3, 6, 8 // 6, 9, 10 // 1, 7, 9 // 1, 10, 12 = 162

3, 6 // 6, 10 // 1, 7 // 6, 12 = 32

3 // 6 // 1, 7, 9 // 1, 10 = 6

total = 200

[Light]

$1 early

1,3,4,5//2,3,7,8//1,4,5,7,8//8,9 = $160

$2 Early

3//2,3,7,8//1,4,5,7,8//8 = $40

[098poi]

Early

$2 - 1,6,7 // 2,8 // 1,2,5,8 // 3,8,9,10 = $192

[turfeyejoe]

$5 ticket

3,8// 3,6// 1,7// 1

$3 tickets

4// 3,6// 1,7// 1
3,8// 8// 1,7// 1
3,8// 3,6// 9// 1
3,8// 3,6// 1,7// 7,12

$2 tickets

4// 8// 1,7// 1
4// 3,6// 9// 1
4// 3,6// 1,7// 7,12
3,8// 8// 9// 1
3,8// 8// 1,7// 7,12
3,8// 3,6// 9// 7,12
3,8// 3,6// 4,8// 1

Total: $200

[rmath]

Late Pic 4
1.00 : 3,8 // 3 // 1,7 // 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 cost ( 44.00 )
1.00 : 1,2,3,8 // 3,6,7 // 1,5,7,9 // 1,11, 12 cost ( 144.00 )
1.00 : 3,8 // 3 // 5,7 // 1,11,12 cost ( 12.00 )
Total 200.00

[joeprunes]

Late...@$2...2,3,6\\3,8,9,10,\\1,7,9,\\1,12\\....$ 144

.........@$20.........................3\\10\\7\\1, 12\\...$40

.........@$1.............................3\\10\\7\ \1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12\\...$11

.........@$5...............................3\\10\\ 7\\1\\...$5....total..$200

[Beachbabe]

LATE PICK FOUR

$2
3,7,8 // 3,6,8 // 5,9 // 4,6,9,10,12 ($180)

$1
3 // 3,6 // 5,9 // 4,6,9,10,12 ($20)


TOTAL
$200

[122425]

$1.00 pic: 3,6,8 // 1,9,10 //1,7,8,9 // 1,9,10,11,12 ($180)

$2.00 pic: 3 // 10 // 7 // 1,9,10,11,12 ($20)

[ezmred]

$3-p4- 2,3,6,//3,6,10,//1,4,7,//4,10,12, =$162

$1-p4- 2,3,6,//3,6,//1,4,//4,10,12, =$36

$1-p4- 6,//3,//1,//4,12, =$2

[098poi]

Early

$2 - 1,6,7 // 2,8 // 1,2,5,8 // 3,8,9,10 = $192

I'm redboard whining here. I rushed to get picks in and was knocked out in the first and I think I meant the 5 instead of the 7. (5 won) That's on looking back at my spreadsheet. Just pisses me of as there is no reason to rush, rush. Oh well we'll see what happens with the other races. No sympathy just venting.

[Zaf]

$1 ... 2,3,6 // 6,7,9,10 // 2,5,7,8,9 // 1,10,12 ... $180

$1 ..... 3 // 3,8 // 1,2,7 // 1,10,12...... $18

$1 .... 3 // 7 // 1,7 // 1 ....... $2

Z

[gaz]

late pick 4


1$ 1,2,3,6,8/3,6,7,10/1,5,7,8,9/ 1= $100


1$ 3,6,8/10/1,5,7,8,9/7,10,12= $45



55$ 3/10/1/1= $55 total =200

[Dahoss9698]

Late

$1
2,6,7,8 // 3,7,8,9 // 1,4,8 // 1,4,7,10

$1
2,6 // 7,8 // 1 // 1,7

[sufan]

late
$200
3,//9,//9,//,1

[parshooter]

Ticket A: $1.00 3,6/9/1,2,5,7,8,9/1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 = $132
Ticket B: $1.00 2/9/1,7,8,9/1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12= $44
Ticket C: $1.00 6/3,6,10/1,7,8,9/1,7 = $24

[FiveWide]

$1: 3 // 10.7 // 1 // 1.12.11.10.6.9 ($12)

$1: 3.2 // 10.3 // 1 // 1.12.11.10.6.9.4 ($28)

$1: 3.6 // 10.3 // 1.8.7 // 1.12.11.10.6.9.4 ($84)

$1: 3.2.6.8 // 10 // 1.8.7 // 1.12.11.10 ($48)

$1: 3.2.6 // 10.7.9 // 1.8.7 // 1 ($27)

Total: $199

-Five

[098poi]

Early
$1.00

1,4,5 // 2,7,8 // 1,3,7,8,9 // 8,9,19 $135.00

$2.00

1,4,5 // 2,7,8 // 1,7,8 // 8 $54.00

$3.00

1 // 2,7,8 // 7 // 8 $9.00

$1.00

1 // 7,8 // 7 // 8 $2.00

OK Enough of my whining. I'm way out but it looks like Money is set for a big score!! I am assuming his last pick is 10 and not 19. Good luck!!!!!

[bucktron]

LATE PICK-4

($1) 2,3,6 // 3,6,9,10 // 2,7,8,9 // 1,2,10,12 = $192

($2) 3 // 9,10 // 2,9 // 1 = $8

[rmath]

Money posted the 8,9, & 19.
How do we know if the last number was a 1 or a 10?

[098poi]

I am not a judge but if you look at his other picks he goes from 1,2,3... etc. I vote he wins.
$13,894.50 WOW!

[rmath]

Which is it 10 or 1A , both were in the race.

[Bobzilla]

03/04/12 LATE P4

$66 P4

2,3,6 // 8 // 7 // 12.... ($198)

[Track Collector]

Late Pick4:

$2 --> 2,3 // 3,10 // 1,5,7,8,9 // 1,7,10,11,12 = $200

[ranchwest]

late late late late late

$1:

2,3,6,8 / 8,9,10 / 1,5,7,8 / 7,10,11,12 == $192

$8:
2 / 10 / 1 / 12 == $8

total == $200

late late late late late

[highrider]

Money posted the 8,9, & 19.
How do we know if the last number was a 1 or a 10?

We all know it,s a 10..Knowbody would post 8,9,1a..Geez!

Congrats Money..Nice hit. :ThmbUp:

[rmath]

I have seen several other tickets posted that had horses out of numerical order.
Check for yourself.

Since there was a 1A in the race. How do you know this was not the horse he meant to post.
I would like a ruling by the judges.

[mudcat]

I just don't see a 10 in that last race.......

[Light]

I would vote for whatever "Money" says he intended. Considering the "9" key is next to the "0" key, I assume he made a typo.

[PaceAdvantage]

Common sense dictates that he meant a 10, not a 1A.

All of his other picks are in numerical order...if it was a 1A, he would have listed it first.

Plus, you can see the 9 is directly to the left of the 0 on your keyboard, so you can easily see where someone might make such a typo.

I have been asked by Jay to weigh in on this, so I have.

[PaceAdvantage]

And why would anyone accidentally type 19 if they meant 1A?

The 9 is nowhere near the A on any keyboard. In fact, it's on opposite ends.

I rule that he clearly meant to type a 10 there. It's pretty much non-debatable.

BUT, if anyone can sway me otherwise, I'm open to hearing your case.

[mudcat]

on every tickit i get from the track window, there is a sign up there on the glass " check your ticket before leaving the window" nuff said. I meant to post my ticket today but forgot to hit the send button, the ticket would have been a winner too. Why would anyone post the wrong number on a ticket??? If you are at the track you don't get paid for mistakes.

[PaceAdvantage]

on every tickit i get from the track window, there is a sign up there on the glass " check your ticket before leaving the window" nuff said. I meant to post my ticket today but forgot to hit the send button, the ticket would have been a winner too. Why would anyone post the wrong number on a ticket??? If you are at the track you don't get paid for mistakes.Not even a close analogy.

He actually posted a ticket...well before the off time...

If the 4 horse had won the last leg, there is no way anyone would be saying "that 19 was supposed to be a 4."

The evidence is clear. And when the evidence is clear, a fair and proper ruling should be made.

[MONEY]

Common sense dictates that he meant a 10, not a 1A.

All of his other picks are in numerical order...if it was a 1A, he would have listed it first.

Plus, you can see the 9 is directly to the left of the 0 on your keyboard, so you can easily see where someone might make such a typo.

I have been asked by Jay to weigh in on this, so I have.

I meant the #10. I got tired of handicapping & it was time to leave for the track, so I just put the three morning line favorites.

I did not play the pick4 but I did hit the DD & win bets. I cashed the 5th race tickets before I left the track but couldn't find my 4th race win ticket till I got home.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j244/Simulcaster/Big.jpg

[mudcat]

Not even a close analogy.

He actually posted a ticket...well before the off time...

If the 4 horse had won the last leg, there is no way anyone would be saying "that 19 was supposed to be a 4."

The evidence is clear. And when the evidence is clear, a fair and proper ruling should be made.
On this forum you are the boss and what you want goes. I'm just saying the mistake was his, he should have checked the ticket and ,he had plenty of time to do so. I say congratulations to him for your ruling. kinda like the stewards have ruled. next week is a new contest day.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm still leaving the floor open for someone to change my opinion. Sort of like the stewards talking on the phone with the jockeys (even though we all know they don't pay any real attention to what the jockeys have to say...lol)

[mudcat]

I meant the #10. I got tired of handicapping & it was time to leave for the track, so I just put the three morning line favorites.

I did not play the pick4 but I did hit the DD & win bets. I cashed the 5th race tickets before I left the track but couldn't find my 4th race win ticket till I got home.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j244/Simulcaster/Big.jpg
Hey thats a sam houston track, go there often? i'm there almost every weekend, let me know next time you go i'll meet you there and say hello.

[rmath]

I have to agree with Mudcat.
But for what it is worth I and everyone else, has to accept the judges ruling even if we do not agree with it.
If Money ends up winning , it will be a tarnished contest.
Rules are meant to be followed. Period.

[MONEY]

Hey thats a sam houston track, go there often? i'm there almost every weekend, let me know next time you go i'll meet you there and say hello.

I go every day.

[Dahoss9698]

Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously. He obviously made a typo, in a fictional betting contest.

If he wins, the contest is tarnished? Come on guys, lighten up.

[mudcat]

Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously. He obviously made a typo, in a fictional betting contest.

If he wins, the contest is tarnished? Come on guys, lighten up.
" fictional betting contest" is it fictional money that is offered? next person will say "free" contest. .

[098poi]

Stained for sure. Like the Eclipse awards when Zenyatta was horse of the year!:rolleyes:

In other news the late P4 has an even bigger payout. I don't know if anyone hit but I hope they dotted their i's.

[Dahoss9698]

" fictional betting contest" is it fictional money that is offered? next person will say "free" contest. .

Like I said, you're taking it way too serious. He made a mistake. Stevie Wonder can see it was a typo.

Time to move on.

[PaceAdvantage]

I just reviewed every one of Money's Ridersup tickets this year...and in every single case he has listed the numbers in order from low to high.

The one time I saw him choose an entry, he listed it as 1E, and I assume the E stands for "entry."

[rmath]

I thought I was playing for real cash & prizes. Why else would anyone enter if there was nothing to be gained.

If there was not a 1A in the race I could accept a typo, BUT there was a 1A in the race and you say we have to accept his word on the post. What else would he have to say .
An error is the responsibility of the one who made it. He should have to live with his mistake. But then this is my opinion only.

[mudcat]

Like I said, you're taking it way too serious. He made a mistake. Stevie Wonder can see it was a typo.

Time to move on.
I agree, it was a typo.no doubt about that as there was no horse 19, and he meant to put the 10 on the post. just saying there was no 10 in the post, the ticket is no good, as it is typed. stewards have to make a ruleing on that based on the post he made. I don't care if he gets it or not,just so majority of players agree. most of the players on this site are good enough to overcome a $13,000.00 mistake.
i'm done,and moving on...lol

[Dahoss9698]

I thought I was playing for real cash & prizes. Why else would anyone enter if there was nothing to be gained.

If there was not a 1A in the race I could accept a typo, BUT there was a 1A in the race and you say we have to accept his word on the post. What else would he have to say .
An error is the responsibility of the one who made it. He should have to live with his mistake. But then this is my opinion only.

You're acting like the prizes are going to drastically change your life. They are no doubt very generous, but we're not playing for the Mega Millions here.

You're given a fictional amount of money to make a play. He made a winning play. Because we are human, and prone to a typo, shouldn't some common sense be used when looking at typos?

Instead of looking at everyone's tickets looking for mistakes so you can point them out, try and have some fun with the contest, which is what it's supposed to be about.

[PaceAdvantage]

I thought I was playing for real cash & prizes. Why else would anyone enter if there was nothing to be gained.

If there was not a 1A in the race I could accept a typo, BUT there was a 1A in the race and you say we have to accept his word on the post. What else would he have to say .
An error is the responsibility of the one who made it. He should have to live with his mistake. But then this is my opinion only.Why would he list the 1A last and not first? As I've said, I've gone over every one of his past tickets, and they are all listed in order from low to high...every single one...you can easily check this yourself.

Why would he list the 1A at the end of the 8,9 sequence?

8,9,1A?

You yourself state that if there was not a 1A in the race, you could accept a typo.

So given that, can you explain why he would suddenly, and for the first time ever, list a horse out of numerical order?

[Jay Trotter]

Well, we find ourselves in a bit of a situation....

I went back to look at the Ridersup Rules but didn't find what I thought was there. I then went to the P.A.I.H.L. Rules and found Rule 9, which basically represents our feelings towards each of these P.A.C.S. Contests:

9. SPIRIT OF THE GAME

· As this is a Free Entry contest, should for any reason a situation arise where the rules don't specifically address the issue, a ruling "in the spirit of the game" shall be made by the moderators, PaceAdvantage or Jay Trotter, in the best interest of all competitors.

***

The way I look at it, we're in a no-win situation whichever way we rule. We're going to have players on both sides of the situation. No "decision" has been made as we take our governance seriously and truly do wish to keep "the spirit of the game" as our guiding light here. So, if you have an opinon, please weigh in with it.

All we ask, is that when the "decision" does come down that we all show respect towards each other and continue to support the efforts of those making this contest possible.

Thanks,

Trotter:ThmbUp:

[TurfRuler]

Since I type as fast as I blink my eyes there have been occassion's when I look at my post or other typing where I have hit a wrong key, that is so near another, I immediately know why it happened. Most of the time I know I've hit the wrong key when I hit it, but there are occassions where I will post a typo. Since there was no 19 in the race you could fairly say that the intent was to hit the 10 and if the results included it as a winner then in all fairness he should be given the winning payout.

Then there was the time I was typing the news from a teletype machine and somehow the characters were changed to print all upper case characters, especially for the numbers. Of course since the news had to go out I would have to deceiper all the words for my nightly news cast.

[FiveWide]

Why would he list the 1A last and not first? As I've said, I've gone over every one of his past tickets, and they are all listed in order from low to high...every single one...you can easily check this yourself.


^^
This for me is key. Most ppl key in their selections the same from week to week. I believe it to be a mis-key since the 9 is next to the 0 on the top row of digits.

If using the 10 keypad as I do then maybe not a typo but then again you couldn't have entered an 'a' or 'e' on the keypad either.


Why would he list the 1A at the end of the 8,9 sequence?

8,9,1A?



I will do this all the time when posting. I formulate my tickets based, in my mind, on a horse's chance of winning. When I post to the forum I just translate my tickets over w/out feeling the need to put in numerical order. Just my style. And if I should be putting them in numerical order I can change too.


So, imo as PA pointed out Money keys in his selections in numerical order and I fully believe there was a mis-key. The 19 should have been 10.

Just offering my 2 cents and would be fine with w/e decision is reached.


-Five

[098poi]

I think the spirit of the game is the best way to handle this. To me that means respecting the integrity of all the players and when they say something we trust them. Money has said what his intention was. I have difficulty believing that he meant 1 or 1a and then seized on this opportunity to become the leader in the contest. (as he rubs his evil hands together)

[mudcat]

9. SPIRIT OF THE GAME

· As this is a Free Entry contest, should for any reason a situation arise where the rules don't specifically address the issue, a ruling "in the spirit of the game" shall be made by the moderators, PaceAdvantage or Jay Trotter,
9. SPIRIT OF THE GAME

· As this is a Free Entry contest, should for any reason a situation arise where the rules don't specifically address the issue, a ruling "in the spirit of the game" shall be made by the moderators, PaceAdvantage or Jay Trotter, in the best interest of all competitors.

make 1 upset or many, that is the question?

[Trijack]

What if 1A had won, would he have stepped forward and said no it was supposed to be 10, I don't think so.

[MONEY]

make 1 upset or many, that is the question?

I'll say it now before the final ruling.
I don't expect to win.
I've been betting at least 15 races a day for 40 years.
That's 219,000 races & over $4,000,000.
I've had many losers over that span, plenty of them came after inquiries.
A long time ago I learned that whether I win or lose there's always another race to bet on.
If the judges rule against me I will not get upset.

[MONEY]

What if 1A had won, would he have stepped forward and said no it was supposed to be 10, I don't think so.
We have never met & don't know me, but you are calling me a liar & a thief.
If the 1a had won there would be no need for a ruling by the judges.

[rmath]

Why should I be responsible For explaining some one elses mistake.
He is the one who made it.
You are right, I have to live with your ruling. Even if I disagree with it.
I entered this contest to test my skills against other players, not against typo errors and rulings by the so called unbiased judges who have the power to change the rules to suit the situation.

[Trijack]

I don't know where you get me calling you a liar and a thief. I said "I don't think so", but you can read whatever you want into it.

[rmath]

True we have never met.
And I have not called you a LIAR or a THIEF.
I only said the same thing as Mudcat said, and that was your ticket did NOT have the number 10 on it.
So if you want to say I am calling you a liar and a thief, you are free to have your own opinion.
This is my first and only contest I will enter on this site!!
I wish everyone well including Money.

[cdax]

I do believe it was just a typo, and unintentionally hit the 9 instead of 0. If we are going to be strict and to the letter how about all the tickets that list "all" in a leg or aren't formatted with the double slashes "//".

Back to the matter at hand, if Money won't get upset if he loses then I say don't give it to him. It's hard enough for me to hit $500 to get ahead of Casino, let alone trying for $4,000 to catch Money. :D

Nice hit. (maybe the bomb in the third leg was a typo also).

Chris

[PaceAdvantage]

What if 1A had won, would he have stepped forward and said no it was supposed to be 10, I don't think so.If the 1A had won and he claimed that's what he meant, then I would have ruled against him.

A 1A instead of a 19 in that position makes no sense and does not follow the pattern he has put forth over this entire contest.

A 10 instead of a 19 in that position makes perfect sense and does follow the pattern he has put forth over this entire contest.

[rmath]

Bravo, I agree that if he does not care if he wins then disqualify the ticket.

[098poi]

True we have never met.
And I have not called you a LIAR or a THIEF.
I only said the same thing as Mudcat said, and that was your ticket did NOT have the number 10 on it.
So if you want to say I am calling you a liar and a thief, you are free to have your own opinion.
This is my first and only contest I will enter on this site!!
I wish everyone well including Money.

rmath I think you are confusing the posts. Money was referring to Trijack's post, and I agree with his interpretation. That's exactly what I thought when I read it. The question for Trijack is not what would Money do, or 098poi or Jesus but what would HE do in that situation. From his post the answer is self evident. I know I would not take credit for a pick that wasn't intended and I'd like to give the others the same benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to have an an opinion on how this should be scored and another to call someone "potentially" dishonest.

[MONEY]

True we have never met.
And I have not called you a LIAR or a THIEF.
I only said the same thing as Mudcat said, and that was your ticket did NOT have the number 10 on it.
So if you want to say I am calling you a liar and a thief, you are free to have your own opinion.
This is my first and only contest I will enter on this site!!
I wish everyone well including Money.
I did not quote you, I quoted someone else.
This site offers much more than just contests.
Learn from it, and enjoy all that it has to offer.

Good luck

[PaceAdvantage]

I entered this contest to test my skills against other players, not against typo errors and rulings by the so called unbiased judges who have the power to change the rules to suit the situation.Explain to me my bias. If you do so in a convincing manner, I will allow you to rule on this decision.

Why would I be biased in favor of Money? I have no clue who he is, and have never communicated with him privately in any form that I can remember.

No, what I'm doing is making the obvious decision.

The fact that nobody has put forth a coherent argument as to why I am making the wrong decision convinces me even more that I am making the right move.

Every single ticket (and I've examined all of them) that Money has posted in this year's Ridersup has been posted in a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, etc. fashion...every single one...

[horses4courses]

If it were my call (and I am relieved that it's not), I would side with Money.

I have no ties to the man, and don't know him at all.
Looking at his entry, though, it's clear to me that it was a typo, and that he meant to put in the 10.

If he puts in a wrong number at a self-bet terminal, or an ADW, he might have gotten screwed. On entering #19, though, that number would not have been accepted. He did not enjoy that safety net here.

With over 30 years experience in the race/sports betting, gaming, businesses, I have dealt with quite a few disputes over the years.
The bettor's intentions go a long way in deciding an issue. In this case, I feel that Money's intentions were clear. He made an honest mistake.

I was lucky enough to win the Ridersup contest last year.
If I was in the same situation as Money is now, I feel I would be pleading my case as a player who made a mistake, but was not trying to deceive.

Money should get his $13k+.
Nice hit, sir!

[rmath]

Trijak, seems to be putting the blame on me, saying what if the 1A had won.I say neither the 1A or the 10 was posted on the ticket, so it is a losing ticket.

[PaceAdvantage]

Full disclosure...Money just PM'd me and asked me to take his picks down from this week's contest, as he doesn't want to cause any more trouble...so I have to take back my last comment that I have never communicated with him privately.

I told him he isn't causing any trouble at all...

[MONEY]

I do believe it was just a typo, and unintentionally hit the 9 instead of 0. If we are going to be strict and to the letter how about all the tickets that list "all" in a leg or aren't formatted with the double slashes "//".

Back to the matter at hand, if Money won't get upset if he loses then I say don't give it to him. It's hard enough for me to hit $500 to get ahead of Casino, let alone trying for $4,000 to catch Money. :D

Nice hit. (maybe the bomb in the third leg was a typo also).

Chris

You should read all the posts before you respond.



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[rmath]

Rules are rules. The number 1A or 10 is not listed on the ticket. Period.
Either you take things at face value, as printed or you adjust them as you see fit.
If this means you are biased then so be it.

[Light]

One way to solve this is to put it up for a vote with the players involved. My guess is Money would win

As a result of this, JT should create a new rule. That incoherent numbers and/or tickets will be counted as no bets. Yesterday Shemp posted this which hit 5x for a total of $1250

$5 2,6//4,5,6//1,8,12//5/12 $180


Looks like a Pk5. I figured it out but you could debate it. In the real world,you can plead all you want to the teller but you won't get paid. So both sides have a point. I believe both Shemp and Money typoed ,but so this does not happen again we need a new rule.

[rmath]

On my key board I have a number pad and the 9 is in the top right corner, the 1 is on the lower left corner and the 0 is right below the 1.
This is a response to your earlier post.
I personally only use the number pad when I enter my numbers. I also always
double check my tickets before I send them in.

[Jay Trotter]

This is my first and only contest I will enter on this site!!
I don't understand why you would say this? Are we not offering our very best efforts on behalf of the site and our sponsors?

There are absolutely no hidden agendas or inside games -- in fact most of the work put into these contests is based on "volunteer" efforts and a "love of the game" and nothing more.

I find it hurtful that a single "incident" that hasn't even been decided would cause you to feel that way. A decision has to be made -- one way or the other -- and as I mentioned earlier, I would hope that we could all keep "the spirit of the game" in mind no matter what.

Trotter:ThmbUp:

[PaceAdvantage]

On my key board I have a number pad and the 9 is in the top right corner, the 1 is on the lower left corner and the 0 is right below the 1.
This is a response to your earlier post.
I personally only use the number pad when I enter my numbers. I also always
double check my tickets before I send them in.And an "A" is nowhere to be found...

[rmath]

If Money has requested his ticket be withdrawn, then honor his request and that will put an end to this issue.
I feel sorry for him no matter what the outcome is.

[Dahoss9698]

You should read all the posts before you respond.

Dude, calm down a second and realize that most people agree with you. I think Cdax was siding with you. He just threw a little humor in it.

I don't even know why there is a discussion about this. Rmath and Mudcat appear to be upset because your hit moves them down the leaderboard. There is plenty of time to get it back.

[rmath]

True there are no letters on a NUMBER pad , that is why it is called a number pad, all the letters are on the key pad. I get the idea you are trying to make me out to be the guilty one in this case!

Also to Jay, I have enjoyed playing in the contest and using the web site.
I wish you and all the sponsors good luck. My personal feelings are to avoid any further contest. It is in no way a reflection on you or anyone else connected to this or any other web site.

I do feel that you should honor Moneys request.

[Dahoss9698]

I entered this contest to test my skills against other players, not against typo errors and rulings by the so called unbiased judges who have the power to change the rules to suit the situation.

I find this to be interesting. If you truly are interested in testing your skills, you'd realize that the guy made a simple mistake and that his play was a winning one.

Testing your skills means putting the petty stuff aside.

[horses4courses]

I do feel that you should honor Moneys request.

You really want to do the right thing, rmath?

Hmmmm......perhaps you should follow that by declaring to everyone here that any contest winnings you might receive will be donated to one, or more, horse racing charities?

If you really want to take the high road, regardless of the upcoming decision on Money's situation, you do have an out.

[rmath]

Sorry, I missed the humor part.
I thank you for clearing it up.
I respect all the players in this contest.
Money has stated that his ticket be withdrawn and while that is my personal
belief , I am not worried about being bumped down a notch or two.
I only entered to see how I would fair against seasoned contest players.
I wish everyone good luck.

[PaceAdvantage]

I get the idea you are trying to make me out to be the guilty one in this case!I'm not trying to make you out to be anything. I asked people to make the case that the 19 was not supposed to be a 10.

So far, nobody has made that case.

That's all.

It certainly wasn't a ONE (1) since he never has listed a ticket with a 1 being at the end of the line...it certainly wasn't a NINE (9) since he already listed the 9...it certainly wasn't a NINETEEN (19) since there was no 19....

It most probably wasn't a 1A because again, he never has listed a ticket with a 1 being at the end of the line and it's kind of impossible to justify that a 9 was really meant to be the letter A.

It was most probably a TEN (10)...but again, I'll wait a little while longer just in case somebody comes along and tells me why it wasn't meant to be a 10...

[highrider]

If Money has requested his ticket be withdrawn, then honor his request and that will put an end to this issue.
I feel sorry for him no matter what the outcome is.
Lot's of poor sports have crossed my path in life...Your the king.
This is a game that has been played same since it's inception.
Things like this have happened before and common sense ruled the day.
I repeat it's simply a case of sour grapes and Money deserves his score.
For a guy with under 60 post's seems to me making rude noise and kicking up unwanted dust is your specialty.
Lot's of fine sportsmen on this forum
you could take a que from many of them.

[PaceAdvantage]

Someone posted earlier that not only am I biased (how, I don't know), but that I am changing the rules.

Would someone please point out the rule in question that I am changing? The rule regarding disputed tickets? Because I don't see one on the books.

[horses4courses]

Someone posted earlier that not only am I biased (how, I don't know), but that I am changing the rules.

Would someone please point out the rule in question that I am changing? The rule regarding disputed tickets? Because I don't see one on the books.

You're not changing anything, PA.

The fact is, no matter how many rules you have for a contest, you can't possibly cover every situation that may arise.

Common sense prevails here.

[highrider]

Someone posted earlier that not only am I biased (how, I don't know), but that I am changing the rules.

Would someone please point out the rule in question that I am changing? The rule regarding disputed tickets? Because I don't see one on the books.
Your thoughts are exactly where they should be on this matter. :ThmbUp:

[rmath]

I am not the one who made the posting error, Money did.
If this makes me a poor sport then so be it.
I only pointed out the error, as did some others.
So, you are free to say and feel whatever you think about me.

[highrider]

RMATH
I understand..You refuse to see the obvious.
Good luck with That. Bet it makes for a hard life.

[pktruckdriver]

One way to solve this is to put it up for a vote with the players involved. My guess is Money would win

As a result of this, JT should create a new rule. That incoherent numbers and/or tickets will be counted as no bets. Yesterday Shemp posted this which hit 5x for a total of $1250

$5 2,6//4,5,6//1,8,12//5/12 $180


Looks like a Pk5. I figured it out but you could debate it. In the real world,you can plead all you want to the teller but you won't get paid. So both sides have a point. I believe both Shemp and Money typoed ,but so this does not happen again we need a new rule.


This may make me unpopular, but so what, have a POLL, let us users decide, isn't that the way we do things here.

Bossman and Jay, I think are really upstanding people, Bossman has one of the best sites out there, and has always been fair and straight forward, even to me, and with my past history here, that says alot, so let the people decide.

This weekend had it's share of omission's and typo's, and they both had impact on the standings, and if they did not , would we be having this discussusion, of course not, so a ruling is needed and since it seems Bossman is asking for advice then ask in a poll, instead of us getting into a name calling contest, these post's can turn ugly quick, and we have seen it before , let that not be the case here, just a trucker's point of view...

patrick

[BIG RED]

Nice hit Money :ThmbUp:

[rmath]

you say I am missing the obvious, well so are you then.
Look at Moneys ticket and show me where the #10 is.
My life is enjoyable, not so sure about yours.
I have stated several times that I would accept any ruling that comes down.
I do not have to approve of it, and that is my right.
I restate that Money made the error and that his ticket should be withdrawn
so as to end any disputes. You apparently not willing to accept or acknowledge
his request.
I have more respect for him requesting the withdrawal than I do for your opinion.
You are free to your opinion and I am free to mine.
End of discussion.

[highrider]

you say I am missing the obvious, well so are you then.
Look at Moneys ticket and show me where the #10 is.
My life is enjoyable, not so sure about yours.
I have stated several times that I would accept any ruling that comes down.
I do not have to approve of it, and that is my right.
I restate that Money made the error and that his ticket should be withdrawn
so as to end any disputes. You apparently not willing to accept or acknowledge
his request.
I have more respect for him requesting the withdrawal than I do for your opinion.
You are free to your opinion and I am free to mine.
End of discussion.
You could only wish to live my life. 36 years married 3 kids 7 grandkids ..not many complaints.
The only reason Money asked to withdraw his score was because of your persistent unfounded complaining. No other reason.
And Yes..All obvious decisions of the judge are final. As they always have been and should be. :ThmbUp:

[rmath]

For what its worth I have 5 children and 16 grandchildren and I have no complaints. So you enjoy your life and I will enjoy mine.
By the way I only kept answering the posts because guys like you started to attack me personally.
So, if you stop with the insults and personal attacks I am willing to drop the issue.

[MONEY]

Nice hit Money :ThmbUp:

Thanks

[highrider]

For what its worth I have 5 children and 16 grandchildren and I have no complaints. So you enjoy your life and I will enjoy mine.
By the way I only kept answering the posts because guys like you started to attack me personally.
So, if you stop with the insults and personal attacks I am willing to drop the issue.
Issue? No issue here.
Guys Like me? Do you mean players that respect the game FOR WHAT IT HAS TO OFFER. The statements I made are facts not insults.
Nothing i said is untrue whatsoever..You should be a politician..OK..That's a insult. :eek: Good Night!

[AlbertButtry]

Nice hit Money........ This was clearly a typo and I have no problem with Pace siding with Money.

[MONEY]

Nice hit Money........ This was clearly a typo and I have no problem with Pace siding with Money.

Thank You

Good Night

[cdax]

Dude, calm down a second and realize that most people agree with you. I think Cdax was siding with you. He just threw a little humor in it.

..................... There is plenty of time to get it back.

Correct.

[Red Knave]

2 things

First, I noticed the typo (yes, I believe it was a typo) on Money's ticket yesterday and I thought to myself "I should PM him about it" but I didn't. I feel bad about that even though I don't believe he would have received my message in time to fix his posting.

Second, one other way we have used to tell whether a post is valid is to say "What would have happened if you tried to make that bet at the track or ADW?". In this case you would have been told, either by the teller or the terminal or the software, that there is no #19. Since you can't make a typo on a real bet then making a typo in your post shouldn't negate your intent. I think the intent was to enter 10, not 19.

[Jay Trotter]

Second, one other way we have used to tell whether a post is valid is to say "What would have happened if you tried to make that bet at the track or ADW?". In this case you would have been told, either by the teller or the terminal or the software, that there is no #19. Since you can't make a typo on a real bet then making a typo in your post shouldn't negate your intent. I think the intent was to enter 10, not 19.
I ran this by my wife "the ultimate decision maker" in my house and your example of betting the ticket at the track is exactly what she said! The teller would have told the bettor that the #19 was invalid and he would have restated that he meant the "10"!

My question to anyone out there who cares to comment is "does anyone doubt his intention" in this case. Personally, I have no doubt he meant to take the #10.

If we don't doubt his actual intention, then in my personal (non-binding) opinion we should allow the play as the "good sports" we surely all are.

[TurfRuler]

If Money has requested his ticket be withdrawn, then honor his request and that will put an end to this issue.
I feel sorry for him no matter what the outcome is.

Where ever former ESPN Racing Board member go, you can count on the dispute of someone's post, then crying that they willl never come back again....

[HARVICK_29]

I DONT PLAY FOR 0NE DAY AND MISS ALL THE FUN LOL



BUT TO PUT MY TWO CENTS IN I THINK JAY IS RIGHT IF YOU WERE AT THE TRACK THEY WOULD OF TOLD YOU THE TICKET WAS INVALID AND YOU WOULD OF MADE THE CHANGE AT THE WINDOW

[HARVICK_29]

I DONT PLAY FOR 0NE DAY AND MISS ALL THE FUN LOL



BUT TO PUT MY TWO CENTS IN I THINK JAY IS RIGHT IF YOU WERE AT THE TRACK THEY WOULD OF TOLD YOU THE TICKET WAS INVALID AND YOU WOULD OF MADE THE CHANGE AT THE WINDOW



JAY'S WIFE IS RIGHT LOL

[tiger rose]

this is what you get for running a great FREE contest forum ? ?
c'mon grow up
are we cappers or carpers ?

give MONEY the MONEY

[mudcat]

JAY'S WIFE IS RIGHT LOL
this FREE contest has nothing to do with any track , the numbers you wanted were to be typed on the entry pages for 3/4/12, there was no 10 typed on the page for his ticket , ticket is no good. my Wife said that was the way it is.lol. I also asked my dog to bark twice for no, he did, ticket no good

[rmath]

My wife said the same thing, there is no 10 on the ticket.
I am glad that you stood up also.
My greatest disappointment is not that the ticket is being allowed but for all the crap that was aimed at me for asking for a ruling by the judges.
I guess that we are in the minority, and I can only wish you good luck and hope that one of us hits good next week.

[Dahoss9698]

Oh boy

[iwearpurple]

My two cents worth.

I did not play yesterday, and knew nothing about this dispute until I just saw it.

Everybody (and I mean everybody knows what Money meant to type). I always try my best to put my entries in these contests in the format requested, but others do not. If you look at the way people post entries in these contests, it has to be a nightmare to score them and keep track of the scores. Let Trotter and PA make the decision. Trust me, they have to make many decisions in these contests every day, but they probably are not of this magnitude. Obviously, they will be adding another rule for situations like this. One can never imagine when starting a contest, what might come up, but you add or change rules as necessary.

Twice, I have listed the wrong number in other contests, but had the correct name of the horse listed. I have gotten proper credit for this, as the rules state.

Surely, we don't want to get to the point where every horses name has to be listed in this contest, do we? Therefore, let common sense dictate the results.

Give Money the credit for the win that he deserves, and lets move on to next week.

[PaceAdvantage]

I've decided to give Money the credit for the win. End of story.

Scorers, please take note.

[horses4courses]

Nice hit, Money!

[mudcat]

congratulation on the nice hit.

[pktruckdriver]

I've decided to give Money the credit for the win. End of story.

Scorers, please take note.


:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :10:


patrick

[rmath]

Congratulations on the big hit.

[Track Collector]

I've decided to give Money the credit for the win. End of story.

Scorers, please take note.

So noted.

I hope to have the up-to-date results posted sometime tonight.


Chris

[Jay Trotter]

The issue has been decided. It was not an easy decision but one that we feel is in the best interests of the contest. Thanks to all who made their feelings known. All opinons were considered with equal weight.

Let the stretch drive begin.

Trotter:ThmbUp: