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cj
02-13-2012, 05:59 PM
I usually like him, but he says that field size has no effect on the percentage of wagering favorites. He still thinks the favorite wins 1/3 of the time. He can't be this dumb, right?

thaskalos
02-13-2012, 06:14 PM
I usually like him, but he says that field size has no effect on the percentage of wagering favorites. He still thinks the favorite wins 1/3 of the time. He can't be this dumb, right?

I used to think that the escalating winning percentage of the favorites was attributed to the shrinking field sizes too...but Dave Schwartz straightened me out.

As it turns out, the fields, on average, have not shrunk as much as one would think.

Dave thinks that the "whales" have more to do with it...and I'm beginning to think that he is right.

cj
02-13-2012, 06:18 PM
I used to think that the escalating winning percentage of the favorites was attributed to the shrinking field sizes too...but Dave Schwartz straightened me out.

As it turns out, the fields, on average, have not shrunk as much as one would think.

Dave thinks that the "whales" have more to do with it...and I'm beginning to think that he is right.

I'm not saying it is the only factor, but it is a factor. And we both know favorites don't win at "only" 33% these days.

cj
02-13-2012, 06:40 PM
I'll keep this pretty simple:

All favorites, the last nearly 250,000 races in my database (mid 2007), 36.06%

Field Size < 7, favorites win 42.20%
Field Size > 7 and < 10, favorites win 36.11%
Field Size > 10, 31.37%

cj
02-13-2012, 06:52 PM
Just to be clear Gus, I wasn't relating the field size as shrinking. I'm just saying field size is a big factor in the percentage of winning favorites.

Average field size:

2007, 8.70
2008, 8.68
2009, 8.73
2010, 8.68
2011, 8.53
2012, 8.70

It doesn't even appear to be shrinking, but certainly is a big variable in favorite success.

I'll send this to him tomorrow. He went off air right after he made his statements.

big frank
02-13-2012, 07:43 PM
what do you expect from know it all perloff. he is always condescending. is anyone else sick of him reading the race conditions ? i know class is important but it doesn't seem to do him any good. how many times have we heard him say figures are not important ? he is in the same league as bayless from espn. i can't listen to both these guys

Shelby
02-13-2012, 08:07 PM
I learn from Rich each and every day that he's on TVG. I tune in on Mondays and Tuesdays specifically just to listen to him. I don't bet, I just learn.

johnhannibalsmith
02-13-2012, 08:24 PM
Compared to that fellow before and after him, it's like listening to Pavarotti versus Bobcat Goldthwait.

thaskalos
02-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Just to be clear Gus, I wasn't relating the field size as shrinking. I'm just saying field size is a big factor in the percentage of winning favorites.

Average field size:

2007, 8.70
2008, 8.68
2009, 8.73
2010, 8.68
2011, 8.53
2012, 8.70

It doesn't even appear to be shrinking, but certainly is a big variable in favorite success.

I'll send this to him tomorrow. He went off air right after he made his statements.
You are right, of course, and that should be obvious to everyone...Perloff included.

The shorter the field...the higher the likelihood of the favorite winning.

But I am still stunned by the average field sizes over the last six years...

I would have never guessed...

big frank
02-13-2012, 08:54 PM
I learn from Rich each and every day that he's on TVG. I tune in on Mondays and Tuesdays specifically just to listen to him. I don't bet, I just learn.
with all due respect , what the heck do you learn from ?

Tee
02-13-2012, 08:59 PM
I'm kinda glad I don't have TVG anymore.

HoofedInTheChest
02-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Thanks for the stats cj, that's good to know.

senortout
02-13-2012, 09:40 PM
I learn from Rich each and every day that he's on TVG. I tune in on Mondays and Tuesdays specifically just to listen to him. I don't bet, I just learn.

Write down the names of the horses he seems to favor, and heavily favor, or 'leaning towards favoring' some such categories and see how well he is actually doing!

(myself, I have no idea, since I don't listen to so-called experts)

report back!

AndyC
02-13-2012, 09:54 PM
I'll keep this pretty simple:

All favorites, the last nearly 250,000 races in my database (mid 2007), 36.06%

Field Size < 7, favorites win 42.20%
Field Size > 7 and < 10, favorites win 36.11%
Field Size > 10, 31.37%

Does your database show whether favorites are more likely to be underplayed or overplayed due to field size?

davew
02-13-2012, 10:05 PM
what exactly did he say?

every race has a wagering favorite 100% of the time.

maddog42
02-13-2012, 10:25 PM
Just to be clear Gus, I wasn't relating the field size as shrinking. I'm just saying field size is a big factor in the percentage of winning favorites.

Average field size:

2007, 8.70
2008, 8.68
2009, 8.73
2010, 8.68
2011, 8.53
2012, 8.70

It doesn't even appear to be shrinking, but certainly is a big variable in favorite success.

I'll send this to him tomorrow. He went off air right after he made his statements.

The 2012 stats are obviously misleading. Field size will shrink some as the year goes on. Field size must be going up at a few tracks to offset (some)
the tracks where field size has shrunk.

JustRalph
02-13-2012, 10:43 PM
I'll keep this pretty simple:

All favorites, the last nearly 250,000 races in my database (mid 2007), 36.06%

Field Size < 7, favorites win 42.20%
Field Size > 7 and < 10, favorites win 36.11%
Field Size > 10, 31.37%

I get almost the same results in my databases. I don't have all tracks though. There are some tracks I am sure that are higher. Any outliers?

cj
02-13-2012, 10:45 PM
Does your database show whether favorites are more likely to be underplayed or overplayed due to field size?

I can add ROI to the query, but it will be tomorrow.

cj
02-13-2012, 10:46 PM
what exactly did he say?

every race has a wagering favorite 100% of the time.

He said favorites win 33% of the time, and that field size doesn't matter.

cj
02-13-2012, 10:47 PM
The 2012 stats are obviously misleading. Field size will shrink some as the year goes on. Field size must be going up at a few tracks to offset (some)
the tracks where field size has shrunk.

I'm not so sure. It may drop some, it may not. Tracks cut days last year and it helped, may do it again.

cj
02-13-2012, 10:48 PM
I get almost the same results in my databases. I don't have all tracks though. There are some tracks I am sure that are higher. Any outliers?

I'll have to check. I would think with a big enough sample size it would be fairly constant.

Ocala Mike
02-13-2012, 11:36 PM
What is wrong with my logic? This is a problem in statistical theory, and really has little to do with what we all know about horse racing. PERLOFF IS WRONG because consider two extreme cases.

1. A 2-horse field. One horse is designated the "favorite." Clearly, that horse will win more than 50% of the time, as there is only 1 negative outcome possible.

2. A 100-horse field. One horse is designated the "favorite." Clearly, that horse will win a small minority of the time, as there are 99 negative outcomes possible.

I really don't need to see this confirmed by database analysis.


Ocala Mike

Elliott Sidewater
02-13-2012, 11:55 PM
To my way of thinking, the percentage of winning favorites has gone up as steadily as the amount of dumb money in the pools has decreased. Most of the "tourist money" has dried up except for the 4 or 5 biggest racing days of the year. Even with the convenience of betting from home, most people can't be bothered with horse racing. It's out of sight and out of mind for the most part, except when something bad happens to reinforce its indelibly horrible reputation- like Eight Belles/Go For Wand/Charismatic/Ruffian/Holy Bull/Barbaro breaking down or Amtote insiders hacking into the Breeders Cup pick 6. It's a jalopy, unable to avoid obstacles, a leaded gas clunker coughing and sputtering its way to the junkyard. Will the HBO series Luck revive interest in racing? Hell no - at least 70% of the characters are incorrigible, impossible to like degenerates. I don't know how they came up with Luck; Lost Souls would have been a better title. Judging by the reaction to my continuing interest in racing by friends and co-workers, I think they'd have more respect for me if I spent the money on botox injections. Scorn is hard to take, but pity is even worse.

As for Rich Perloff, he should be ashamed of himself for knowing less than the average contributor to this forum. The more one talks just to fill in the embarrassing silence of televised winter racing, the more likely a gaffe of large proportion is to occur.

thaskalos
02-13-2012, 11:59 PM
To my way of thinking, the percentage of winning favorites has gone up as steadily as the amount of dumb money in the pools has decreased. Most of the "tourist money" has dried up except for the 4 or 5 biggest racing days of the year. Even with the convenience of betting from home, most people can't be bothered with horse racing. It's out of sight and out of mind for the most part, except when something bad happens to reinforce its indelibly horrible reputation- like Eight Belles/Go For Wand/Charismatic/Ruffian/Holy Bull/Barbaro breaking down or Amtote insiders hacking into the Breeders Cup pick 6. It's a jalopy, unable to avoid obstacles, a leaded gas clunker coughing and sputtering its way to the junkyard. Will the HBO series Luck revive interest in racing? Hell no - at least 70% of the characters are incorrigible, impossible to like degenerates. I don't know how they came up with Luck; Lost Souls would have been a better title. Judging by the reaction to my continuing interest in racing by friends and co-workers, I think they'd have more respect for me if I spent the money on botox injections. Scorn is hard to take, but pity is even worse.

As for Rich Perloff, he should be ashamed of himself for knowing less than the average contributor to this forum. The more one talks just to fill in the embarrassing silence of televised winter racing, the more likely a gaffe of large proportion is to occur.

Don't beat around the bush, Elliott; tell us what you REALLY think...:)

Elliott Sidewater
02-14-2012, 12:20 AM
Maybe, like Harry Truman, I just tell the truth and it sounds like hell. Hey, it's really OK, the sun will come up tomorrow and the horses will be running at Parx Casino and Racetrack ;)

Greyfox
02-14-2012, 12:25 AM
What is wrong with my logic? This is a problem in statistical theory, and really has little to do with what we all know about horse racing. PERLOFF IS WRONG because consider two extreme cases.

1. A 2-horse field. One horse is designated the "favorite." Clearly, that horse will win more than 50% of the time, as there is only 1 negative outcome possible.

2. A 100-horse field. One horse is designated the "favorite." Clearly, that horse will win a small minority of the time, as there are 99 negative outcomes possible.

I really don't need to see this confirmed by database analysis.


Ocala Mike

Exactly! :ThmbUp:

Light
02-14-2012, 12:52 AM
I usually like him, but he says that field size has no effect on the percentage of wagering favorites. He still thinks the favorite wins 1/3 of the time. He can't be this dumb, right?

As a coincidence this topic came up today when a fellow horse player visited me while I was in the middle of work. He said there were fewer "long shots" than before. I said it's because there is more information available today than say 20 years ago, and favorites are winning 42% today to 33% previously. Then he pointed out that the higher percentage of favorites is due to the smaller fields. That obvious fact had escaped me while working and carrying on a conversation. I stood corrected. I think Perloff probably knows better as well.

Shelby
02-14-2012, 09:30 AM
with all due respect , what the heck do you learn from ?

I didn't grow up around racing, so, I learn by listening--and by trial and error.

For example, Rich is very knowledgeable about the conditions of each race and he always gives reasons why a trainer would place their horse in a specific race.

I've never kept track of the horses that he favors so I couldn't tell you if his picks come in or not. I pay attention and digest the information and, in the end, I make my own decisions.

Tom
02-14-2012, 12:40 PM
He mentioned this thread just now.

cj
02-14-2012, 12:48 PM
He mentioned this thread just now.

I didn't hear it, damn. I hope we wasn't too offended, I like the guy. Maybe I was hard, but he is in the public eye and said something that was just flat wrong.

I'm sure I've done the same many times, just not on TV.

redshift1
02-14-2012, 01:14 PM
I didn't hear it, damn. I hope we wasn't too offended, I like the guy. Maybe I was hard, but he is in the public eye and said something that was just flat wrong.

I'm sure I've done the same many times, just not on TV.


He handled it tactfully, said he misspoke, I'm absolutely certain he got some
alerting emails. No aspersions toward this website.

.

thaskalos
02-14-2012, 01:19 PM
Perloff is the cream of the crop at TVG, in my opinion.

duncan04
02-14-2012, 01:20 PM
Pace advantage just got mentioned by Perloff on TVG

pandy
02-14-2012, 01:22 PM
This thread is a little misleading because the discussion Rich was having on TVG yesterday pertained to the percentage of winning favorites in Harness Racing. And the favorites do win at a higher percentage in harness racing than they used to, and it has nothing to do with field size.

JimmyQ
02-14-2012, 01:24 PM
Guy is NOT good. He also stated a couple months ago that takeout doesnt matter either. I think he must have some blackmale pics on someone at the network to keep his gig.

JimmyQ

cj
02-14-2012, 01:26 PM
This thread is a little misleading because the discussion Rich was having on TVG yesterday pertained to the percentage of winning favorites in Harness Racing. And the favorites do win at a higher percentage in harness racing than they used to, and it has nothing to do with field size.

He was also talking about t-breds. There are two different arguments. Nobody said that declining field size is the reason that favorites win at a higher rate. There are many factors in both sports. However, if field size does in fact decline, it is a certainty that the percentage of winning favorites will go up as well.

He also stated that the percentage of winning favorites is 33%. We all know that clearly isn't the case any longer.

thaskalos
02-14-2012, 01:37 PM
Guy is NOT good. He also stated a couple months ago that takeout doesnt matter either. I think he must have some blackmale pics on someone at the network to keep his gig.

JimmyQ
I hope you are joking here...

Nobody on TVG could take over Perloff's spot on mondays and tuesdays and be able to keep anyone's attention for longer than 5 minutes.

Even when I disagree with the guy...I can't help but like him, and his demeanor.

cj
02-14-2012, 01:43 PM
Even when I disagree with the guy...I can't help but like him, and his demeanor.

Exactly...he seems like the kind of guy you could hang out with at the track...he is one of us.

JimmyQ
02-14-2012, 01:50 PM
I hope you are joking here...

Nobody on TVG could take over Perloff's spot on mondays and tuesdays and be able to keep anyone's attention for longer than 5 minutes.

Even when I disagree with the guy...I can't help but like him, and his demeanor.

To each their own but he puts me to sleep faster than a lazy slow sunday afternoon of golf.

JimmyQ

horses4courses
02-14-2012, 01:53 PM
I hope you are joking here...

Nobody on TVG could take over Perloff's spot on mondays and tuesdays and be able to keep anyone's attention for longer than 5 minutes.

Even when I disagree with the guy...I can't help but like him, and his demeanor.

I like him, too.
He is the only reason I ever watch racing TV on a Mon/Tues - two days when I seldom bet.

Tom
02-14-2012, 02:02 PM
I've mentioned it before, I like to listen to him at noon when I am at lunch. I think he does a good job of bringing the game to people who may not have as much experience - far cry from the three stooges shows TVG features later in the day. I would quaff a few with him at Toga.

All right, I would quaff a few with anyone at Toga.:rolleyes:

Beachbabe
02-14-2012, 03:05 PM
I like him, too.
He is the only reason I ever watch racing TV on a Mon/Tues - two days when I seldom bet.


My sentiments exactly.
I thunk RP is easy to listen to & to understand. He is not a clown with a gimmick like most of the other TVG'ers. I'd rather see him on HRTV where he could at least cover tracks that people really care about.

pandy
02-14-2012, 05:01 PM
I think Rich does a great job and I particularly look forward to his Monday/Tuesday morning shows.

JimmyQ
02-14-2012, 06:20 PM
There is a reason Rich is on monday/tuesday instead of sat-sun. He is not exciting enough or hip enough to keep the younger viewers attn on weekends but certainly does well catering to the 50 yr old plus viewer he gets early in the week. Think we'll ever see rich on the quarters or the late double? I venture to say no way.
JimmyQ

bigmack
02-14-2012, 06:21 PM
Pace advantage just got mentioned by Perloff on TVG
See there, PA. You want free publicity you gots to get more confrontational with media types.

NJ Stinks
02-14-2012, 06:25 PM
Another big fan of Perloff here. I can see why Shelby finds him informative. I do too. And as CJ said earlier - who amongst us is right all the time?

At any rate, Rich tries to explain various facets of racing and race handicapping. How can this be bad even if an occasional error is made? As for Rich's handicapping ability, most here are not going to be swayed by his picks anyway.

In closing, I just wish I was home earlier this afternoon and heard Rich address our concerns! :cool:

cj
02-14-2012, 07:04 PM
See there, PA. You want free publicity you gots to get more confrontational with media types.

He took it well. He admitted his mistake, no big deal. We all make them.

JustRalph
02-14-2012, 07:11 PM
I listen to Perloff on XM sometimes. Just because he has an ongoing dialogue with the players via email. I enjoy that.

Rich, if you read this, remember some are listening on the radio......we can't see the video that you are describing.........you do a great job, but you need to get a little more Vin Scully and less Al Michaels when describing vids..... :lol:

Marshall Bennett
02-14-2012, 07:59 PM
Rich must really have a passion for the game. He has a law degree and is quite accomplished elsewhere. He's almost too intelligent to be doing what he's doing imo. He enjoys interacting with his viewers and is eager to share his knowledge. Sure he makes mistakes, and sometimes his ego interferes with an ability to admit them. I enjoy Rich however, and always watch on Mondays & Tuesdays if I'm home. He's very very good.

JimmyQ
02-14-2012, 10:16 PM
Rich must really have a passion for the game. He has a law degree and is quite accomplished elsewhere. He's almost too intelligent to be doing what he's doing imo. He enjoys interacting with his viewers and is eager to share his knowledge. Sure he makes mistakes, and sometimes his ego interferes with an ability to admit them. I enjoy Rich however, and always watch on Mondays & Tuesdays if I'm home. He's very very good.
To me he has ZERO passion for the game. Openly admits he doesn't watch or follow on his days off. Wait, that's the weekend when all the great racing takes place. This guy gets paid to talk about beulah, parx, turf paradise and many other cheap claimers. Guy is SOOO overrated and i don't understand the love affair with him.

JimmyQ

phattty
02-14-2012, 10:42 PM
sorry, but his days off are weds and thursday...lotsa good stuff happening then..

mark me down as another who likes his style, only 2 days i watch tvg


best show ever was Exactorman and Mr Lucky...tuesday nights, comical and they could cap those cheap trotters and Mountain

JimmyQ
02-14-2012, 10:49 PM
sorry, but his days off are weds and thursday...lotsa good stuff happening then..

mark me down as another who likes his style, only 2 days i watch tvg

Funny i was watching him last week and i was starting to tweet a message about how boring this guy is when my buddy in the room turns to me and said, "my god this is so dry and boring!" i said wow i was just tweeting the same thing. Then again rich nor most of his fan club are on twitter. I bet rich wears pleated pants too.
JimmyQ

johnhannibalsmith
02-15-2012, 12:13 AM
Funny i was watching him last week and i was starting to tweet a message about how boring this guy is when my buddy in the room turns to me and said, "my god this is so dry and boring!" i said wow i was just tweeting the same thing. Then again rich nor most of his fan club are on twitter. I bet rich wears pleated pants too.
JimmyQ

I got to get on this Twitter if I can get up to date information on who is boring on TVG.

Ocala Mike
02-15-2012, 12:18 AM
best show ever was Exactorman and Mr Lucky...tuesday nights, comical and they could cap those cheap trotters and Mountain




For the record, I like Rich Perloff, but I LOVED Exactorman and Mr. Lucky. Back in the day, I rescued a stray cat that was hanging around our barn and named him Mr. Lucky. Unfortunately, that turned out to be a misnomer as a coyote got him not long after.

Ocala Mike

lamboguy
02-15-2012, 02:37 AM
For the record, I like Rich Perloff, but I LOVED Exactorman and Mr. Lucky. Back in the day, I rescued a stray cat that was hanging around our barn and named him Mr. Lucky. Unfortunately, that turned out to be a misnomer as a coyote got him not long after.

Ocala Mikesorry about your cat

dinque
02-15-2012, 02:56 AM
if you hate rich perloff i would think you are a losing gambler or a big fan of clowns,,,probably both....perloff, matt c and frank m are the only ones who understand value...and positive equity is everything....this does not include christina, who has a job of moving along the show and does it well....

v j stauffer
02-15-2012, 03:23 AM
Rich must really have a passion for the game. He has a law degree and is quite accomplished elsewhere. He's almost too intelligent to be doing what he's doing imo. He enjoys interacting with his viewers and is eager to share his knowledge. Sure he makes mistakes, and sometimes his ego interferes with an ability to admit them. I enjoy Rich however, and always watch on Mondays & Tuesdays if I'm home. He's very very good.

Rich is also a very accomplished actor and director. Mostly local theatre in the South Bay.

I've seen him a couple of times. Once as the husband in a very funny play called Sylvia. Sylvia is a dog played by a human. Sarah Jessica Parker played the roll on Broadway.

He was also amazing as Antonio Salieri in Amadeus. Not an easy role by any means and he nailed it.

As for his passion for the game. I'd say he's a fan of horse racing in general. But really really loves to handicap.

Personally you'll never meet a nicer guy.

v j stauffer
02-15-2012, 03:28 AM
For the record, I like Rich Perloff, but I LOVED Exactorman and Mr. Lucky. Back in the day, I rescued a stray cat that was hanging around our barn and named him Mr. Lucky. Unfortunately, that turned out to be a misnomer as a coyote got him not long after.

Ocala Mike

The Exactorman and Mr. Lucky show was one of my all time favorites. Brian Wayne and John Nelson both started at TVG as researchers and eventually graduated to producing. Brian produced the The Quarters for many years. Great guys. Both very talented.

JBmadera
02-15-2012, 05:54 AM
I listen to Perloff on XM sometimes. Just because he has an ongoing dialogue with the players via email. I enjoy that.

Rich, if you read this, remember some are listening on the radio......we can't see the video that you are describing.........you do a great job, but you need to get a little more Vin Scully and less Al Michaels when describing vids..... :lol:


Exactly, I normally have TVG on XM (when it is one XM, XM needs to get its act together), Rich does a real good job on Mon/Tues. One of the things I miss about being on track or at the OTB is the interaction with other players. I'm here all day by myself so listening to Rich, Gino and Tom read the emails and discuss the other players thoughts is very entertaining and recreates that on track atmosphere.

phattty
02-15-2012, 07:09 AM
also, as for Rich's amount of knowledge and acumen....Delmar used to feature his pics daily under the nom de plume....Iago's Picks

usedtolovetvg
02-15-2012, 09:13 AM
The Exactorman and Mr. Lucky show was one of my all time favorites. Brian Wayne and John Nelson both started at TVG as researchers and eventually graduated to producing. Brian produced the The Quarters for many years. Great guys. Both very talented.

Just for the record, Exactorman was a Producer/Director from Canada. He Produced the Queen's Plate, Canadian International and every major horse race in Canada for over 20 years before coming to TVG. He was also the Senior Producer at Hockey Night in Canada. He was hired by Ray Brune as TVG's #1 Producer. Both Mr. Lucky and Exactorman were TV people who loved horse racing. One of TVG's problems is their lack of people with any TV knowledge or experience. Tony Allevato hated E-Man and did all he could to get rid of him.

JustRalph
02-15-2012, 05:04 PM
Is Robin Burns still there?





Just for the record, Exactorman was a Producer/Director from Canada. He Produced the Queen's Plate, Canadian International and every major horse race in Canada for over 20 years before coming to TVG. He was also the Senior Producer at Hockey Night in Canada. He was hired by Ray Brune as TVG's #1 Producer. Both Mr. Lucky and Exactorman were TV people who loved horse racing. One of TVG's problems is their lack of people with any TV knowledge or experience. Tony Allevato hated E-Man and did all he could to get rid of him.

usedtolovetvg
02-15-2012, 08:30 PM
gone long time. last i heard he was calling the races at buffalo raceway.

v j stauffer
02-15-2012, 09:53 PM
gone long time. last i heard he was calling the races at buffalo raceway.

Heard he was recently let go from Buffalo. Not sure if true. Hope not. Love RB. IMO greatest harness racing announcer that ever lived. Good guy.

Word to the wise. Don't play golf with him for cash. He can play!!

usedtolovetvg
02-15-2012, 10:25 PM
great guy! suits don't like him... he has an opinion.

phattty
02-15-2012, 10:44 PM
always liked Gorman and Shudt on liberty bell /brandywine circuit

JustRalph
02-15-2012, 11:46 PM
found this

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-robin-burns/14/b42/869

When I was living in Socal we corresponded via email some. He was a class act and he had some great stories about Harness racing from Central Ohio.

I hope he is well.

cj
02-15-2012, 11:55 PM
He was great in Maryland. He did the harness circuit of Rosecroft and FreeState, then moved to thoroughbreds at Laurel/Pimlico. He is a great guy and did a really good job, but harness was his passion.

pele polo
07-31-2012, 06:16 PM
I spent the last few weeks with Rich Perloff, watching him on TVG.

Years ago he got on my nerves.

I later considered him to be a fairly smart guy.

But enough is enough.... he chastises EACH AND EVERY e-mailer. He seems bitter. He harps on the same thing over and over and over again... lead changes, bridgejumping, etc. He's got to change his attitude. No wonder they stuck him on the early days of the week covering Fairmount Park and Suffolk Downs.

thaskalos
07-31-2012, 06:30 PM
I spent the last few weeks with Rich Perloff, watching him on TVG.

Years ago he got on my nerves.

I later considered him to be a fairly smart guy.

But enough is enough.... he chastises EACH AND EVERY e-mailer. He seems bitter. He harps on the same thing over and over and over again... lead changes, bridgejumping, etc. He's got to change his attitude. No wonder they stuck him on the early days of the week covering Fairmount Park and Suffolk Downs.
I happen to watch him too...and I couldn't disagree with you more.

The only e-mailers he "chastises" are the obnoxious ones...who act as if Perloff's job is to agree with their opinions.

Rich Perloff is head and shoulders above the rest of the crew at TVG, IMO...and his manners are impeccable.

pele polo
07-31-2012, 06:43 PM
fair enough...

But if the only e-mailers who chooses are the obnoxious ones, maybe he ought to choose different ones every now and then because perception is often times reality.

thaskalos
07-31-2012, 06:53 PM
fair enough...

But if the only e-mailers who chooses are the obnoxious ones, maybe he ought to choose different ones every now and then because perception is often times reality.

He doesn't choose to read only the obnoxious ones...he reads the useful ones too.

And he is very civil with those who disagree with his points of view...provided that the e-mailers themselves are civil.

Perloff's job is to offer his opinions as clearly and as thoroughly as possible...and in that he succeeds admirably -- whether we agree with those opinions or not.

I disagree with his analysis often...but never with his on-air demeanor.

pele polo
07-31-2012, 07:01 PM
...I disagree with his analysis often...

me too but thats another story...

Marshall Bennett
07-31-2012, 08:08 PM
I consider him the best at TVG. He also has a massive ego. If you rattle it he tends to lash out, whether the emailer is obnoxious or not.
Folks new to the game should watch on Mondays and Tuesdays. He really enjoys educating with even the simple stuff.

pele polo
07-31-2012, 08:20 PM
in true Rich Perloff style...

Well lets dig into this...

Marshall, why is he such a good teacher?... and I'm not saying that in a combatitive way... I just want to know your opinion.

Tom
07-31-2012, 09:29 PM
He would fit well here in OT. :D

KingChas
07-31-2012, 10:27 PM
Rich Perloff is head and shoulders above the rest of the crew at TVG, IMO...and his manners are impeccable.

Richard Perloff is a true handicapper.
No BS to the point, sometimes right, sometimes wrong.
And not afraid to admit it either................... ;)

pandy
07-31-2012, 10:30 PM
I think Rich does a great job overall but particularly on his Monday/Tuesday shows. He is good at making the viewer feel that we are kindred spirits all out at the track together. We feel a sense of camaraderie. This is actually difficult to do and requires a lot of skill. You're talking about taking people spread out all over North America and shrinking them down together into a small space. Easier said than done.

It's like when you see a great performer in a large arena. When I saw Sinatra in the Nassau Col. years ago, there were over 20,000 people there but Sinatra made me feel like I was sitting in a much more intimate setting in a small theater because he had a way of connecting to his audience. I felt the same way when I saw Paul McCartney about 10 years ago.

KingChas
07-31-2012, 10:35 PM
It's like when you see a great performer in a large arena. When I saw Sinatra in the Nassau Col. years ago, there were over 20,000 people there but Sinatra made me feel like I was sitting in a much more intimate setting in a small theater because he had a way of connecting to his audience. I felt the same way when I saw Paul McCartney about 10 years ago.

Well said Pandy,my thought's exactly.
If you have been around this sport long enough, you definately know Perloff is one of us.

Marshall Bennett
08-01-2012, 01:22 AM
in true Rich Perloff style...

Well lets dig into this...

Marshall, why is he such a good teacher?... and I'm not saying that in a combatitive way... I just want to know your opinion.
Teacher? While his time on-air can be educational I never considered him a teacher. An example of what I meant in my post might be lead changes or class definition. While most of us know it all well by now, Rich is willing to take an email on such and explain to those new to horse racing.
You obviously don't like him so nothing I say will change that...not to be "combative" or "combatitive" as you say.

Tom
08-01-2012, 07:33 AM
I think all the TVG shows would improve if they limited them to one talking head.

Most of them are too immature to not act like children when they get together. A couple of them actually seem to know what they are talking about, but would rather play giggles with the other hosts.

thaskalos
08-01-2012, 07:42 AM
I spent Tuesday night betting on Mountaineer while listening to Gino on TVG.

I got a headache for the first time in years...but I don't know whether Mountaineer or Gino was to blame...

Perhaps the combination of the two...

pele polo
08-01-2012, 03:40 PM
I spent Tuesday night betting on Mountaineer while listening to Gino on TVG.

I got a headache for the first time in years...but I don't know whether Mountaineer or Gino was to blame...

Perhaps the combination of the two...

Gino is just ridiculous... I'd take Rich any day of the week

JimG
08-01-2012, 03:45 PM
I spent Tuesday night betting on Mountaineer while listening to Gino on TVG.

I got a headache for the first time in years...but I don't know whether Mountaineer or Gino was to blame...

Perhaps the combination of the two...

If your going to listen to anyone while playing MNR, I would suggest Mark and Nancy.

Jim

Marshall Bennett
08-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Not Nancy Ury I hope. :lol:

pele polo
08-01-2012, 07:18 PM
With all this said... Pari-Mutuels are fueled by people with disagreements, so naturally its rare we agree on much.

v j stauffer
08-01-2012, 11:48 PM
Rich is the special guest on tomorows Santa Rosa handicapping seminar.

Hosted by Frank Mirahmadi and Michael Patricks. 11:45 on the park stage.

lamboguy
08-06-2012, 02:02 PM
its just a television show!

if a guy knew anything, do you really think he would be on the airwaves showing off his stuff?

he'd be at the windows pounding away!

PhantomOnTour
08-06-2012, 02:04 PM
Okay...he's just a callous whiner, and a bit prickly at times.

My bad

cj
08-06-2012, 02:07 PM
its just a television show!

if a guy knew anything, do you really think he would be on the airwaves showing off his stuff?

he'd be at the windows pounding away!

Its not like he can't bet while on the air.

PaceAdvantage
08-06-2012, 02:07 PM
its just a television show!

if a guy knew anything, do you really think he would be on the airwaves showing off his stuff?

he'd be at the windows pounding away!Really? What if he only lost 3-5% on his own personal bets? Would you still consider that he didn't know anything?

Being a 3-5% loser is heads and tails above probably 90+% of the people out there who play this game.

Would he qualify then to be on television and also know something?

He wouldn't be good enough to make a living solely though wagering, but he'd certainly be good enough to be on television hosting a race show.

And why can't he do both? What if he is a 2-5% winner? Why wouldn't he want to both be able to wager and be on television? Whose to say both aren't very doable? I doubt they dissuade people from betting while working as a TV host at TVG...

Charli125
08-06-2012, 02:13 PM
And why can't he do both? What if he is a 2-5% winner? Why wouldn't he want to both be able to wager and be on television? Whose to say both aren't very doable? I doubt they dissuade people from betting while working as a TV host at TVG...

PA is right, most of them do both.

At the end of the day at Keeneland, all of the TVG personalities come upstairs and bet heavily on CA. I've seen several cash tickets that they gave out on air as well. While I'm sure they don't bet everything they give out, it does happen at times.

thaskalos
08-06-2012, 02:14 PM
In my opinion...there is no better gig than to get paid to talk about something that you feel passionate about.

Even if you are a winning bettor...there is nothing wrong with having a regular paycheck coming in...

lamboguy
08-06-2012, 02:41 PM
Really? What if he only lost 3-5% on his own personal bets? Would you still consider that he didn't know anything?

Being a 3-5% loser is heads and tails above probably 90+% of the people out there who play this game.

Would he qualify then to be on television and also know something?

He wouldn't be good enough to make a living solely though wagering, but he'd certainly be good enough to be on television hosting a race show.

And why can't he do both? What if he is a 2-5% winner? Why wouldn't he want to both be able to wager and be on television? Whose to say both aren't very doable? I doubt they dissuade people from betting while working as a TV host at TVG...
if that guy only lost 10% of what he bet i would gladly donate $500 for the next pace advantage contest instead of the $50 i usually give.

pandy
08-06-2012, 02:49 PM
In my opinion...there is no better gig than to get paid to talk about something that you feel passionate about.

Even if you are a winning bettor...there is nothing wrong with having a regular paycheck coming in...


You are correct sir.

tholl
08-06-2012, 03:49 PM
its just a television show!

if a guy knew anything, do you really think he would be on the airwaves showing off his stuff?

he'd be at the windows pounding away!

So basically you are thinking that none of the TVG/HRTV etc presenters consistently make money betting since if they did they would be "pounding away at the windows" and not "showing off their stuff on the airwaves" ??

lamboguy
08-06-2012, 04:02 PM
So basically you are thinking that none of the TVG/HRTV etc presenters consistently make money betting since if they did they would be "pounding away at the windows" and not "showing off their stuff on the airwaves" ??i can't rate HRTV because i never watch that station. i am have no idea if anyone wins or loses on TVG either. i think it is very unlikely that R. Perloff can win based on the fact that he "buys" lots of races in various sequences.

if you can prove me wrong, i will gladly send the house here $500 for the next contest to give away to all the better handicappers here that can win that contest and i will eat plenty of crow like i deserve to.

PaceAdvantage
08-06-2012, 04:12 PM
if that guy only lost 10% of what he bet i would gladly donate $500 for the next pace advantage contest instead of the $50 i usually give.Why are you playing a game you can't possibly win? You really have no clue how he does personally, or what he's REQUIRED to give out on air...

cj
08-06-2012, 04:12 PM
i can't rate HRTV because i never watch that station. i am have no idea if anyone wins or loses on TVG either. i think it is very unlikely that R. Perloff can win based on the fact that he "buys" lots of races in various sequences.

if you can prove me wrong, i will gladly send the house here $500 for the next contest to give away to all the better handicappers here that can win that contest and i will eat plenty of crow like i deserve to.

I have no idea what his ROI is, but he doesn't buy a lot of races.

lamboguy
08-06-2012, 04:20 PM
Why are you playing a game you can't possibly win? You really have no clue how he does personally, or what he's REQUIRED to give out on air...
YOU ARE GOOD!

pele polo
08-06-2012, 04:43 PM
Most of the TVG personalities simply dont have the time to put into it to be as successful as we perceive them to be. They have regular full time jobs, being on TV, and that takes up quite a bit of time. That's my guess. But it's hard to really know what's up Perloff. He can't really expect us to take those 4 x 5 $2 Doubles serious can he?

I'm pretty sure Perloff has hinted more than a few times that he considers the actual betting a liesurely "game" and encourages a lot of the viewers to consider it the same, thats the point I wanted to share.

lamboguy
08-07-2012, 06:00 PM
I have no idea what his ROI is, but he doesn't buy a lot of races.
i just caught him at PID this afternoon. he played 2 horses in the first race that produced a $4.60 winner, and then 5 horses in the second event that produced a $3.60 winner, and the daily double paid $12.60. but i shouldn't complain, its at least a cash and he didn't buy either race.

cj
08-07-2012, 06:24 PM
i just caught him at PID this afternoon. he played 2 horses in the first race that produced a $4.60 winner, and then 5 horses in the second event that produced a $3.60 winner, and the daily double paid $12.60. but i shouldn't complain, its at least a cash and he didn't buy either race.

I did see him use the all at Fairmount today into a P3 pool. It was a terrible bet.

usedtolovetvg
08-07-2012, 06:35 PM
I have no idea what his ROI is, but he doesn't buy a lot of races.

He loves pick 3s for small $6-$12. An occasional P4 for a bit more. Not a big player. Does it for leisure like he says.

lamboguy
08-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Nick Hines goes right to the ALL BUTTON at the spa. what a popular way to handicap on TVG!












!

cj
08-10-2012, 04:58 PM
I did see him use the all at Fairmount today into a P3 pool. It was a terrible bet.

I meant to post this and forgot. To be fair, he ALLed a quarterhorse race which is exactly what somebody had said he does earlier. He doesn't cap the QHs.

duncan04
08-10-2012, 05:07 PM
I meant to post this and forgot. To be fair, he ALLed a quarterhorse race which is exactly what somebody had said he does earlier. He doesn't cap the QHs.

yeah he said he hits the all for QH, Arabian, mule races. Breeds he doesnt follow much.

Canarsie
08-11-2012, 11:24 AM
He loves pick 3s for small $6-$12. An occasional P4 for a bit more. Not a big player. Does it for leisure like he says.

Agree 100% though some of his tickets can be somewhat higher. But he always states this is "fun" for him and its entertainment. He also say he doesn't even look at a DRF on his off days as he persues other interests such as the theater and his love of Shakespeare.

As far as I know he's the only guy on TVG who refuses to handicap harness racing because he states its out of his "element". How can you knock a guy like that?

GaryG
08-11-2012, 12:41 PM
I could understand Hollywood (Betfair) using the TVG talking heads on the RTN feed, but I was surprised to see that, to a lesser degree, they carried over to Del Mar. The first three weeks were Christina and now we are blessed with Rich. It is very low key though and does not require the mute button.