I am surprised....no comment on...

[JustRalph]

No comments on Libya deciding they want to go along with the good guys? I think it is a moral victory at best.........I don't think Moammar Gadhafi has ever really recovered from the little bombing Reagan put on his palace a few years back. I don't think he was a big threat, but I believe he also didn't want to end up living in a Rat Hole someday either. If he gives in now, and we discover things later, it is much easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.

[Tom]

Khadaffy probably had flashbacks. Whatever the reson, I think is shows that maybe saner heads are realizing that terrorism is a lot like poking a hornets nest with a stick-you piss them off and kill afew, but they soon unite and come looking for you, and they don't stop.
I hope Pakistan is watching. Handing over Bin Laden would go a long way to showing that they should not be blown to oblivion.Diplomacy foes a long way to bring peace; bombs bring it home.:eek:

[lsbets]

I'm sure the naysayers will say otherwise, but I think his decision was clearly influenced by the capture of Saddam, and more importantly influenced by the fact that we have shown the world that we are not messing around.

[so.cal.fan]

I think you're right lsbets.
I recall the early morning hours of 9/11/01.....it was about 6:30 am here in California.....the twin towers had just been hit, as we watched in horror at the events, a friend called me, who describes herself as a Communist.......she said "well, Diane, you have the right people in office to deal with this".

[boxcar]

I fully expected the Left to be lost for words on this bit of important breaking news. After all, Good News for America is always very bad news for the Left.

This is a tremendous diplomatic coups for the Bush Admin. From what I've heard, thus far, very secret negotiations have been conducted for the last nine months or so among Libya, England and the U.S. I think Isbets is probably right in that the straw that finally broke the camel's back was was the capture of the Rat from his Hole. I have to think that al-Quaddafi just couldn't see himself coming to such an ignominious end.

And while I'm on the topic of good news, there was certainly more of that on the diplomatic front. Baker is back from his little excursion over in Europe, and appears to have all but sealed up a deal to get the Axis of Weasels to forgive Iraq's debt, or at least virtually all of it -- and it doesn't appear that we gave those Saddamites very much in return. But no one can quite say it like the inimitable Neil Cavuto.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/neilcavuto/nc20031220.shtml

And since America is on a roll with Good News, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that unemployment claims have been at their lowest this year, a recent news report said. (Of course, what the Left will say is that this means families will be tossed out on the street to starve to death.)

And, finally, the stock market is exuberatnt and recovering very nicely. It's well out of Bear territory and now has all fours planted firmly in Bull's Land.

I don't know if the Libs can take any more this Good News. I think they're about ready to implode. However, I certainly could stand more Good News. The best news to my ears would be that Dean get's the nomination, which would result in him getting buried alive in a landslide victory by Bush.

Boxcar

[Hosshead]

Speaking of Libya,

When Reagan sent those jets to Libya, it was France that wouldn't let us use their airspace. So it took us an extra half hour to fly around that pile o' grapes, and get to Gadhafi.
Now it's time to get to Bin Laden.
.....think I'll start a rumor he's hiding in France!

[so.cal.fan]

Hoss!
He probably IS HIDING IN FRANCE.........email the white house!

[Tom]

Originally posted by so.cal.fan
Hoss!
He probably IS HIDING IN FRANCE.........email the white house!

He is really Jacques Chirac in disguise!

I heard they trie dto do a movie take off on It's a Wonderful Life based on wha tthe world would be like if France never existed.
Trouble was, it was better that way so the plot never developed.

[so.cal.fan]

LOL
Don't you be drinking any French champagne for New Years, Tom.

[Tom]

Originally posted by so.cal.fan
LOL
Don't you be drinking any French champagne for New Years, Tom.

I prefer beer to champgne.
Long ago, I gave up on class and settled for gusto;)

[Hosshead]

I'm boycotting all Turkish champagne for New Years !!

[kenwoodallpromos]

Since I was on the USS Enterprise when our jets hit Lybia, I think Reagan did want to show big force! Middle East got more quiet when this current action started- notice no big Hate America demonstrations lately?!!

[brdman12]

We have achieved a moral victory in Lybia. It was achieved by using the help of other countries, a long drawn out achievement. We included the international community to help us achieve this goal with patience and a long term goal to rid the world of dangerous military weaponry. We had great motivation for this, and Bush deserves all the credit.
And he deserves the credit in Iraq as well. I just question if our motivation is the same there. Could we have used greater patience and more persuasion to encourage international coperation in Iraq?
Personally, I wish we could help the economies and people of the Americas ( Central and South) and develop their resources and political structures to suit THEIR needs.
I pray for peace. Its a looong term project in Iraq.

[boxcar]

brdman12 wrote:

We have achieved a moral victory in Lybia. It was achieved by using the help of other countries, a long drawn out achievement. We included the international community to help us achieve this goal with patience and a long term goal to rid the world of dangerous military weaponry.

Hmm...you say we had the help of the "internatiional community" and "other countries"? Can you rattle off all the countries that rushed to help us out? I ask 'cause from everything I've read, thus far, the only other country that was in there (right by our side as usual) was Great Britian. If fact, GB appears to have been the critically important key player here initiating contact, etc. As far as the process having been a "long drawn out achievement", this part you have right.

We had great motivation for this, and Bush deserves all the credit.

I suspect, however, that al Quadaffi, in the final analysis, was infinitely more motiviated to cooperate once he saw on CNN what he'd look like once dug out of a rat's hole. (Such grapic portrayals tend to speed along the negotiating processes and are greatly helpful in helping people make smart decisions.)

And he deserves the credit in Iraq as well. I just question if our motivation is the same there. Could we have used greater patience and more persuasion to encourage international coperation in Iraq?

Methinks the question should be turned around, sir. Shouldn't Saddam have done the smart thing and followed the lead of South Africa (and now Libya) by fully cooperating in a transparent manner with the inspectors? Evidently, 10+ years plus 17 U.N. resolutions later equates to "rushing to war" in your eyes? Should we have waited another 10 years and for 34 resolutions to have passed before taking action?

You sound like Blix, Kofi, libs in this country, the mainstream press etc. when in lockstep, they all point to the Libyan agreementl as "proof positive" that WMD disarmament can take place through peaceful negotiations -- "negotiations" being the operative term. Of course, when Libs say this, they're implying that we (as in the U.S.) didn't give negotiations a long enough chance to succeed. Curiously, such meatheads place all the buden and all the responsibility on us for achieving success through "peaceful negotiations", even though by definition "to negotiate" means to "confer with another". Funny how Libs and Socialists have conveniently forgotten this and lay little or no blame on Saddam (who represents the "another" in the above definition) for the war, generally, and for his personal predictament, particularly. From where I sit, Saddam reaped war because his regime sowed nothing but seeds of deception - totally different strategy than what So. Africa and now Libya has taken.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Quadaffy-duck is a terrorist , murderer, and a liar. No matter why his "cooperating" now, we should still kill him as soon as possible. We have allowed this scum to live far too long. In fact, we have allowed Lybia to exist far too long.
Lybia by March, Pakistan by June.
Only no troops, just shock and awe.
Libya can never be trusted and it would be foolish to even attempt it. They played their cards, no it our turn to raise and call.

[Derek2U]

Tom please. Use ur brain & refuse 2 become like Lefty & BoxCar.
Their idea of the universe is the size of Pittsburgh. Its resembles a coffin in size & potential. It's whats wrong with the #43 ...
here the USA is sitting with a RoyalFlush & #43 is not leading.
4get Iraq .... I say make every country PAY us for our protecting
them. Pay in real dineros. Make it part of their budget.

[Tom]

You are an original thinker, I give you that.
Merry Christmas! :D