NTRA once again fails to capitalize on "forward promotion"

[Milkshaker]

This is my annual rant about the NTRA failing to capitalize on "promoting forward" the new season of tourneys right on the heels of the good PR of a handicapper winning $1 million in dramatic fashion at the finals.

I can't be the only one who hears about a million-dollar contest winner and then wants to go check the 2012-13 tourney schedule to figure out "How can I get in on this?"

Not only is there zero info on the NTRA site about the upcoming season's schedule, but this is the notice that greets you when you check out the blank schedule:

"NHC Tour Schedule
Updated: Dec 31, 1969"

True!

[DJofSD]

Not that I'm interested in tournament play, but, this stuff really does make you just shake your head in amazement and disappointment. So simple, so easy but you'd think it was rocket science with the lack of cohesion.

[FunkyMonkey]

agreed on above comments about ntra (maybe it is time somebody else take over the running of the tour). the tour really needs to be better thought out and improvements need to be made (i.e. technological improvements, scheduling improvements and promotional improvements are needed). Potential tourney (tour) players need to know the complete tour schedule well in advance and technological improvements need to be made that provide players with almost real time updates of standings after each available race is run, especially at the finals.

the above is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of missed opportunities and areas for improvements.

problems with the administration and running of the tour are countless.

the main focus of improvements should be directed to eliminating, to the extent possible, potential advantages gained by players with "inside information" about format, scores, selections and timing of events etc...

btw, look for a new format for next years nhc finals.

later

[turninforhome10]

agreed on above comments about ntra (maybe it is time somebody else take over the running of the tour). the tour really needs to be better thought out and improvements need to be made (i.e. technological improvements, scheduling improvements and promotional improvements are needed). Potential tourney (tour) players need to know the complete tour schedule well in advance and technological improvements need to be made that provide players with almost real time updates of standings after each available race is run, especially at the finals.

the above is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of missed opportunities and areas for improvements.

problems with the administration and running of the tour are countless.

the main focus of improvements should be directed to eliminating, to the extent possible, potential advantages gained by players with "inside information" about format, scores, selections and timing of events etc...

btw, look for a new format for next years nhc finals.

later


I was thinking about a idea for a tourney. Car Racing has the 24 hrs of Lemans why not a survivor series requiring players to play a Global racing series starting with SAF in the morning, the UK for lunch, the US for afternoon and Aus at night. All plays would be required to be dropped within 10 mins to post and require players to be present for the entirety. Get the foreign bookmakers on board and offer 3 mil for the winner of International Handicapping champ. The title of World's best would be a big feather in someone's cap.

[DJofSD]

I was thinking about a idea for a tourney. Car Racing has the 24 hrs of Lemans why not a survivor series requiring players to play a Global racing series starting with SAF in the morning, the UK for lunch, the US for afternoon and Aus at night. All plays would be required to be dropped within 10 mins to post and require players to be present for the entirety. Get the foreign bookmakers on board and offer 3 mil for the winner of International Handicapping champ. The title of World's best would be a big feather in someone's cap.
Sponser: 5 Hour Energy

[turninforhome10]

Sponser: 5 Hour Energy

How about Red Bull and use the crossover appeal.

[Rapid Grey]

Forward promotion and existing promotion.

It would have been nice to follow along with the contest contestants and monitor their wagers. Went to the DRF website and the NHC link, couldn't even find the mandatory races. :ThmbDown:

Now that the contest is over I wouldn't mind seeing the picks that Beychok made that led to his victory.....nothing. :ThmbDown:

A lot of the lack of promotion has to be due to budgeting. NTRA and DRF are probably operating with scaled down crews and simply do not have the manpower to provide more information than what they currently do.

[Rapid Grey]

edit to above post:

I do see where the NTRA site had more information on NHC 13 than the DRF site and the mandatory races. They even had a play along contest that I wasn't aware of. :confused:

[Jay Trotter]

I received an email a couple days back to renew my NHC Tour membership which I did. I then wanted to check out the tournament schedule and also found very little information.

It is very disappointing that you can't look at an archive of past events and know exactly what is on tab for the future.

[parlay]

edit to above post:

I do see where the NTRA site had more information on NHC 13 than the DRF site and the mandatory races. They even had a play along contest that I wasn't aware of. :confused:

I also only found out about this "play along contest" after the fact.
I searched my emails to see if i had somehow missed a notice, nope!
I did get an urgent request to pay up for 2012 though.

[David-LV]

Forward promotion and existing promotion.

It would have been nice to follow along with the contest contestants and monitor their wagers. Went to the DRF website and the NHC link, couldn't even find the mandatory races. :ThmbDown:

Now that the contest is over I wouldn't mind seeing the picks that Beychok made that led to his victory.....nothing. :ThmbDown:

A lot of the lack of promotion has to be due to budgeting. NTRA and DRF are probably operating with scaled down crews and simply do not have the manpower to provide more information than what they currently do.

Budgeting???? They kept $840,000 of the tour money and entry fees.

Gross Revenue
53 NTRA/Sponsor entries $0
144 Member Track Entries (144 * $3333) $479,952
285 Online Entires (285 * $6250) $1,781,250
4500 tour member (4500 * $45) $202,500

Total Revenue $2,463,702

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Grand Prize $1,000,000
2nd $150,000
3rd $80,000
4th $45,000
5th $35,000
6th $25,000
7th $20,000
8th $15,000
9th $12,000
10th $10,000
11th $9,000
12th $8,000
13th $7,000
14th $6,000
15th $5,000
16th $4,000
17th $3,500
18th $3,000
19th $2,500
20th $2,000
21st $1,750
22nd $1,725
23rd $1,700
24th $1,675
25th $1,650
26th $1,625
27th $1,600
28th $1,575
29th $1,550
30th $1,525
31st $1,500
32nd $1,475
33rd $1,450
34th $1,425
35th $1,400
36th $1,375
37th $1,350
38th $1,325
39th $1,300
40th $1,275
41st $1,250
42nd $1,225
43rd $1,200
44th $1,175
45th $1,150
46th $1,125
47th $1,100
48th $1,075
49th $1,050
50th $1,000




DAY BONUSES*
Day 1
1st $2,500
2nd $1,500
3rd $1,000

Total Day 1 Bonus Money: $5,000

Day 2
1st $5,000
2nd $3,000
3rd $2,000

Total Day 2 Bonus Money: $10,000

* All prize amounts are estimated prior to the Jan. 25 Treasure Island Last Chance Tournament and are subject to change.

2011 NHC TOUR BONUSES

1st Place: $75,000
2nd Place: $25,000
3rd Place: $15,000
4th Place: $7,500

Total Available Prize Money: $1,623,600

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Total Revenue: $2,463,702
Prize Money: $1,623,600
Difference: $840,102 buys a lot of anything.

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David-LV

[cj]

Total Revenue: $2,463,702
Prize Money: $1,623,600
Difference: $840,102 buys a lot of anything.



What do you figure for expenses?

[David-LV]

What do you figure for expenses?

That is the problem.
It sure wasn't $840,000, then again what do we count as expenses?
There is zero transparency with these people.
I've made my choice, no tour for me, good luck to them.
I like to know up front were the money goes.

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David-LV

[DJofSD]

I'm sure the hosting facility had some charges.

[David-LV]

I'm sure the hosting facility had some charges.

They made a ton of money with 20% hold on all monies that was bet through their windows by the 500 players and their guests ( announced fact by hosting facility: $250,000 handle on Friday alone), not to mention any other monies wagered in the casino, as well as any other entertainment and food expenses. TI also billed the rooms out at $150+ for each room night, also charging a $20 a night resort fee per room.
And by the way all qualifying spots won at TI contests are comped by the NTRA.
So I guess we won't be holding a benefit for them any time soon.

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David-LV