Cardboard coaches.

[Casino]

Reid,Martz,McCarthy,Turner,Sean Payton,Kubiak,Shanahan(when in Denver), these are xbox coaches.
They looked great scoring against the medicore teams in the nfl but once they get punched in the face by a defense they leave the playground.

Its happens every year,the media tells us how good Payton is-last two years he has lost to 2 rookie head coaches,last year Pete Carroll this year Harbaugh.
Shanahan has been lost without Elway he no longer is the genius we once thought he was.Norv Turner amazing he gets hired carries a cardboard doesnt even know his defensive players.
Kubiak was on the verge of getting fired hes thanking manning for not playing this year.
Reid carries the cardboard around calling plays meanwhile Vick his Qb does whatever he wants,so the play Reid called means very little.Plus he hired a O line coach... to coach defense :bang: :bang:
McCarthy who was the offensive corrdinator for Alex Smith in SF and did nothing was a so call genius this year. All year they told us Gb was a all time great :bang: :bang: this year the chiefs got physical and so did the Giants and that was the end of Mike Mccarthy.

Theres Tomlin,Fox,Coughlin,Lovie Smith,Billichick,Harbaugh coaches who dont need xbox players.
Then theres Reid,Mccarthy,Martz,Payton,Shanahan,and Kubiak who would be lost without there weapons.
Cardboard coaches once they go up against a physical team who plays defense and punches them in the mouth they dont punch back.

[Casino]

And before someone posts about Kubiak's team injuries the divsion was wrapped up by midseason.Kubiaks job was on the line this year because of failures in the past with healthy teams.

[Valuist]

I like the xbox analogy. What works in the regular season (pass, pass, pass) doesn't work nearly as well in the postseason. Kind of reminds me of the baseball teams that rely on outscoring their opponents with huge power numbers then they get into the playoffs and lose a number of close games.

Green Bay and New Orleans were flawed and it was exposed. Too one dimensional with porous defenses. I believe New England will be exposed this weekend. The Pats are very similar to the Packers and Saints.

Still need defense and some semblance of a running game to win in the postseason. I know the Giants didn't run well yesterday but they had one huge 23 yard run by Bradshaw before the half that setup Nicks' TD. Running the ball won't get any easier next week; nobody stops the run better than San Fran.

[Casino]

I like the xbox analogy. What works in the regular season (pass, pass, pass) doesn't work nearly as well in the postseason. Kind of reminds me of the baseball teams that rely on outscoring their opponents with huge power numbers then they get into the playoffs and lose a number of close games.

Green Bay and New Orleans were flawed and it was exposed. Too one dimensional with porous defenses. I believe New England will be exposed this weekend. The Pats are very similar to the Packers and Saints.

Still need defense and some semblance of a running game to win in the postseason. I know the Giants didn't run well yesterday but they had one huge 23 yard run by Bradshaw before the half that setup Nicks' TD. Running the ball won't get any easier next week; nobody stops the run better than San Fran.


But Valuist you dont have to be great to stop Flacco agree?

[cj]

Reid,Martz,McCarthy,Turner,Sean Payton,Kubiak,Shanahan(when in Denver), these are xbox coaches.
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McCarthy, Payton, and Shanahan have won Super Bowls, while Reid and Martz came close.

[Robert Goren]

Green Bay's offense was flat yesterday. That was to be expect considering what to their offensive coordinator. I wouldn't read too much into what happened yesterday.

[PhantomOnTour]

Last year we had a final four of:
GB vs Chicago
Pitt vs NY Jets
Those four teams all ranked in the top 6 in total D in the NFL.

Now we have the Ravens and 49ers with top notch defenses, and the Giants, who are playing superb D right now...and then there's the Pats.
They don't block or tackle or play D and i think they're in big trouble.

That sexy passing game and "future ball" some teams play with no defense whatsoever just doesn't work when it comes down to it.
When the Rams and Saints and Colts won their Super Bowls they had D that was ranked in the top 12 or thereabouts.
You gotta be able to run the ball, stop the run, and give your defense some rest.
The old fundamentals of blocking, tackling, and playing D still apply...and they always will imo.

EDIT: oh yeah, and don't turn the ball over !!!

[Casino]

McCarthy, Payton, and Shanahan have won Super Bowls, while Reid and Martz came close.


So because they won a super bowl makes them great coaches,brain billick won a super bowl.

IMO there nothing but glorified offensive coordinators who when up against teams that play defense there phony scheme is exposed.

Didnt Pats slowed down the great show on turf against Rams.Didnt Coughlin punch Brady in the mouth and win the super bowl.

Mccarthy -heavy favorite-exit
Payton- heavy favorite-exit
Martz-against Pats heavy favorite exit
Billichick Moss Brady -heavy favorite exit
Shanahan has been irrevelant for almost a decade
Reid underachieves every year.

All so called geniuses with great offensive scheme during the regular season.

[Valuist]

But Valuist you dont have to be great to stop Flacco agree?

True but New England has to at least be average, and their pass defense, in most metrics (other than INTs) was below average.

yards allowed: 31st (NO was 30th and GB 32nd)
yards/attempt: 29th
QB rating allowed: 86.1 (20th)
sacks: 40 (14th)
interceptions: 23 (2nd)
completion % agnst: 62.4% (23rd)

If NE is able to jump them to a quick 14-0 lead, then Flacco will probably struggle if he's forced to throw 50 times. But I wouldn't be shocked if Flacco had a solid game against them. NE also had better be concerned w/stopping Ray Rice.

[PhantomOnTour]

Shanahan - won 2 Bowls when he had the best RB in football and his D played well
Payton - won the Bowl when his D was tops in turnovers and defensive TD's (and they won the game on a pick six...D)
Mccarthy - won the Bowl with a top 2 ranked D in the NFL.

As great as the Pats O was when they lost to the NYG in the Bowl, it was their D that couldnt get off the field.
As great as the Saints O was this year (set all kinda records!)they turned it over like it was going outta style and their D couldnt stop SF.

[Valuist]

Green Bay's offense was flat yesterday. That was to be expect considering what to their offensive coordinator. I wouldn't read too much into what happened yesterday.

I wouldn't read what happened to the O-C too much. These are professionals.

Green Bay was the best team for the first 12 weeks or so. In the final month of the season, they didn't appear nearly as sharp. Their defense looked horrible against Detroit.

The Giants are peaking now while the Packers are off form. The better team won yesterday and IMO, the game really wasn't close.

[Casino]

I wouldn't read what happened to the O-C too much. These are professionals.

Green Bay was the best team for the first 12 weeks or so. In the final month of the season, they didn't appear nearly as sharp. Their defense looked horrible against Detroit.

The Giants are peaking now while the Packers are off form. The better team won yesterday and IMO, the game really wasn't close.

Wait the o coordinator is McCarthy!

[Robert Goren]

True but New England has to at least be average, and their pass defense, in most metrics (other than INTs) was below average.

yards allowed: 31st (NO was 30th and GB 32nd)
yards/attempt: 29th
QB rating allowed: 86.1 (20th)
sacks: 40 (14th)
interceptions: 23 (2nd)
completion % agnst: 62.4% (23rd)

If NE is able to jump them to a quick 14-0 lead, then Flacco will probably struggle if he's forced to throw 50 times. But I wouldn't be shocked if Flacco had a solid game against them. NE also had better be concerned w/stopping Ray Rice.Ray Rice is the most over hyped running back in the league. A lot of teams including the Texans have stopped him. Even the Jags stopped him during the regular season.

[Robert Goren]

Wait the o coordinator is McCarthy!No, he is not. Joe Philbin is.

[PhantomOnTour]

Ray Rice is the most over hyped running back in the league. A lot of teams including the Texans have stopped him. Even the Jags stopped him during the regular season.
Ray Rice was the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL this year and avg 4.7 yards per carry.
Texans and Jags both have top 10 run defenses.
Rice has run all over the Pats in the playoffs

I can't believe I'm defending a Ravens player :lol:

[Casino]

No, he is not. Joe Philbin is.


Dude you could say whatever you want thats is McCarthy offensive scheme and play calls .Philibin is the assi who is named the o coordinator.

[Robert Goren]

I wouldn't read what happened to the O-C too much. These are professionals.

Green Bay was the best team for the first 12 weeks or so. In the final month of the season, they didn't appear nearly as sharp. Their defense looked horrible against Detroit.

The Giants are peaking now while the Packers are off form. The better team won yesterday and IMO, the game really wasn't close. You must never been close to anyone who has lost an adult child. If you had you know that no amount of "professionalism" can get you through that. It is not the same as having parent die. You do not get over it in a few a days no matter what tasks awaits you. Everyone close to the parent is effected in a very negative way.

[slew101]

McCarthy calls the plays for the Packers. He's done that every year's he's been there. Doesn't matter who is listed as the OC.

Sherm Lewis was Mike Holmgren's OC for years in GB, and never got an NFL head coaching job because everyone knew Holmgren was calling all the plays.

Dude you could say whatever you want thats is McCarthy offensive scheme and play calls .Philibin is the assi who is named the o coordinator.

[Robert Goren]

McCarthy calls the plays for the Packers. He's done that every year's he's been there. Doesn't matter who is listed as the OC.

Sherm Lewis was Mike Holmgren's OC for years in GB, and never got an NFL head coaching job because everyone knew Holmgren was calling all the plays.Philbin is going to be the new head coach of the Dolphins.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/21/2599883/report-miami-dolphins-name-green.html

[KingChas]

Cardboard coaches?
How about Wizard's of OZ coaches?
Brains,Heart, & Courage.

Scarecrow......Shanahan/Ryan Bros/Garrett/Reid/Tomlin(This year destroying QB for playoffs)
Tin Man......... Reid/Garrett/Turner
Cowardly Lion...Fox/Reid/Garrett

Some Triple Crown winners here. ;)

[slew101]

Do the Dolphins know he wasn't calling the plays in GB?

This is a terrible hire for Miami.

When are these teams going to learn just because a coach works with a Hall of Fame quarterback, doesn't make him a head coach?

Philbin is going to be the new head coach of the Dolphins.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/21/2599883/report-miami-dolphins-name-green.html