Tampa Bay Downs claiming rule

[Casino]

Theres was a horse claimed at Tampa the trainer has told a few people hes wheeling right back and winning at least 2 more times with this horse.

A question was asked why not ship the horse to Gulfstream for a higher purse?His response "once you claimed a horse at Tampa you cant shipped the horse to another track to run until Tampa meet is over"

Does anyone know why.

[cj]

Theres was a horse claimed at Tampa the trainer has told a few people hes wheeling right back and winning at least 2 more times with this horse.

A question was asked why not ship the horse to Gulfstream for a higher purse?His response "once you claimed a horse at Tampa you cant shipped the horse to another track to run until Tampa meet is over"

Does anyone know why.

Lots of tracks have these rules. They are trying to keep the horse population up, not shipped off to other circuits.

[andymays]

Could be that the horse fits the condition book a little better at Tampa.

[Casino]

Thanks,CJ.

Shoot if a trainer claims a horse and he thinks he could win a stake out of town then hes screwed.Doesnt sound fair.

[cj]

Thanks,CJ.

Shoot if a trainer claims a horse and he thinks he could win a stake out of town then hes screwed.Doesnt sound fair.

Stakes races are usually allowed.

[onefast99]

A horse claimed at Tampa may not run at another track outside the state of Florida including Gulfstream Park until the meet at Tampa has concluded. Stakes races may be allowed by the racing secretary by exception. Tampa Bay house rules #1.05(6) and #1.21 (1) (2)

[theiman]

If you claim the horse at TB and run in a stake race at GP are you forced to return to TB?

[DSB]

The rule isn't intended to make you stable the horse at the track. It's intended to make you race the horse at the track you claimed him from for a specified period of time.

Lots of horses are claimed and leave the grounds. They just can't race elsewhere.

My guess is that Gulfstream would not be quick to assign a stall to a horse that is ineligible to race there anyway.

[jeebus1083]

I would think that you CAN race elsewhere, but if you did, you would be barred from competing at Tampa for the rest of the season.

[DSB]

I would think that you CAN race elsewhere, but if you did, you would be barred from competing at Tampa for the rest of the season.

Well you can race elsewhere - there are no criminal statutes that prohibit it - but you can find yourself in hot water with the racing secretary unless you have a good reason for it.

Stakes are always exempted. Another thing they tend to look the other way about is if there are no races that your horse can race in. They can't require that you not race at all, or put your horse in a class where it has no chance. The thing they want to prevent is somebody claiming a horse for, say, $10k and turning around and shipping him to another track for a race he could have run in where he was claimed.

Last year, I had a horse eligible for a starter allowance and the secretary just didn't write them. I asked him to add one, and he refused. So I shipped out of town, where they are run all the time.

Another thing that comes into play is how many horses a guy has who wants to ship out of town. The more horses somebody has, the more they tend to bend the rules to accommodate him.

[tbwinner]

The horse is what's known as "in jail"...meaning it can't race elsewhere for a period following the claim. For example in Illinois if I claim a horse I cannot race elsewhere for 45 days thereafter. The exception as stated above are stakes races.

Now like DSB has said, there are no criminal or governmental laws prohibiting this. However tracks usually have that "mutual agreement" in which they all honor each other's jail rules. Some of them also are state racing boards' rules and will likely fine or even ban you from the state's rules you go against.

[onefast99]

I would think that you CAN race elsewhere, but if you did, you would be barred from competing at Tampa for the rest of the season.
You cannot race elsewhere, the racing secretary will deem the horse ineligible due to Tampas claiming rules. Tampa and GP do not want to share horses either. You can run the horse at Calder when that meet is running at the sametime as Tampa. The rules aren't set in stone and in the event a stakes race is available for a claimer(a rarity)the racing secretary will allow a horse to race elsewhere but the horse cannot race in any races other than the stakes race he was given permission to race in. For those who think they can "bend" the rules you are sadly mistaken as other trainers will look to have the shipped horse excluded from the race.

[Tom]

Good rule for the health of the game.

[DSB]

A correction of a previous post:

My horse wasn't still in jail when I shipped out of state. Apparently the meeting had ended and another started, which relieved the jail requirement.

Nothing really happened at the end of the original meet - racing continued as usual - but for jail purposes it released those horses claimed at the meeting. I had forgotten that the meets had changed.

Every track has its own rules, that is the one where I normally race.

Philly, for example, has a 60 day or end of meet jail period - whichever comes first.

[thespaah]

Well you can race elsewhere - there are no criminal statutes that prohibit it - but you can find yourself in hot water with the racing secretary unless you have a good reason for it.

Stakes are always exempted. Another thing they tend to look the other way about is if there are no races that your horse can race in. They can't require that you not race at all, or put your horse in a class where it has no chance. The thing they want to prevent is somebody claiming a horse for, say, $10k and turning around and shipping him to another track for a race he could have run in where he was claimed.

Last year, I had a horse eligible for a starter allowance and the secretary just didn't write them. I asked him to add one, and he refused. So I shipped out of town, where they are run all the time.

Another thing that comes into play is how many horses a guy has who wants to ship out of town. The more horses somebody has, the more they tend to bend the rules to accommodate him.
With small fields racing at numerous tracks, this rule makes sense.
I think tracks should have the ability to protect the integrity of racing during a particular meet.
I believe Delaware Park has a similar rule.
One item on the handicapping side...When I wager Saratoga, I look for ship-ins. These are usually horses ready to win and the connections are looking to take advantage of the higher purses.
With tracks going with these claiming rules, the frequency of ship ins in the claiming ranks becomes less.

[elhelmete]

Has anyone seen an update on Jerry Jam's legal challenge of the KY rules?