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you are beeing quite about what bush did to medicare
if i remember your wife is a nurse or a home care provider
is the changes gona help or hinder her income
under the way that it was i take $960/mo in prescriptions ionly pay a small copay
but under the change lots of my medicine not even availabe will have to pay full cost then the deductible lots of old people will never get to it
the phamicuticles and big boys will get rich dont see how that helops us
if you can tell me where its better let me know
Originally posted by bill
if you can tell me where its better let me know
Foolish Boy... Trickle Down.
two things require faith to be a republican
faith in jesus christ
faith that when the rich get richer, they'll give us some.
Its that 2nd one i struggle with
thanks i needed that
faith in the good lord not sure but sure need it in bush
JustRalph
12-08-2003, 05:03 PM
It's a piece of crap bill and he knows it. He is signing it so he can claim victory on an issue that will go down well in the hinterlands of Florida........... it is terrible legislation and the fact it made it through congress is a joke.........just one more thing......to add to the list of sh#$% coming out of Washington.
give me a good l/s i love them
Originally posted by bill
give me a good l/s
lefty agreeing with you.
It is an awful, awful thing they did. It is the largest entitlement bill to hit in years. It is worthy of Hillary.
I cannot believe Bush signed it. I cannot believe AARP endorsed it.
It was wqrong, it hurts many people, and it is so clearly nothning but an election stunt, I have to ask, where are the viable conservative candidates? I cannot vote for W again, and I cannot vote for any democrate, ever.
What the hell good is the right vote when there never anyone to vote for?
Sad,sad, sad.:(
they sold us out
they were in the medigap insurane buss
now they dont pay for prescriptions
Strange to find Lefty speechless. If he does find the correct spin for this medicare fiasco, maybe he can then start working on explaining the pork that was dished out in washington yesterday by the borrow and spend republicans.
lsbets
12-09-2003, 08:30 AM
Okay, I have said before that I can't stand Bush's domestic policy because he spends like a Dem. But, LJB when you say borrow and spend republicans, you conveniently forget that the Dems would have spent much, much more. Lets be honest here, it is about buying votes, and both parties do it. This bill is bad, but it could have been worse, it could have cost more. Just my opinion.
MikeDee
12-09-2003, 11:56 AM
The known bad news about this bill may be just the tip of the iceberg.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that over 2.7 million Americans will loose their company provided drug coverage from this bill. So if you are retired (or will be retiring) from a company that requires you to sign up for Medicare at age 65 as part of your company's provided health coverage, this bill will cause your drug costs to increase sharply. Prepare to bend over. (And you will, of course, have to provide your own Vaseline).
Lefty
12-09-2003, 12:34 PM
ljb, I'm speechless? Look go through my posts. See how many times i've said Medicare is a terrible social prgm foisted on us by the Democrats. Bush has tried to make it a little better. I'd like to see the damn thing eliminated but reality sets in. Whenever republicans try to change it dems holler and they get all the airtime. Can you imagine what would happen if they actually said they would eliminate it? Dems get elected by scaring "old people" and making promises to minorities they never keep. One good thing to come of this bill is medical savings accts and health accts that kick in next year. This is a big first step.
Knute said any republican that doesn't like this bill should read it first. I haven't read it, have any of you? I'll take Knutes word that this is a big first step.
You Dems should love this bill, but the dissent proves how disengenous you are. It didn't come from a Dem so you don't like it.
I would love to see Medicare completely abandoned and medical and savings accts kick in, but it's too damn late for that, so i'm prepared to say the fact that medical savings accts and health accts are in the bill, is that it's most encouraging. The fact that AARP is supporting it is just killing the Dems.
And now Gore comes out for Dean. It doesn't get any better than this.
lsbets said "Okay, I have said before that I can't stand Bush's domestic policy because he spends like a Dem. But, LJB when you say borrow and spend republicans, you conveniently forget that the Dems would have spent much, much more. "
I am not talking about what the Dems would have or not have done. I am talking about the facts !! The Republicans continued on their "borrow and spend format".
Oh and as an aside here, I don't really care much for the administrations foreign policy also.
Lefty
12-09-2003, 12:43 PM
ljb, just wants to talk about the facts. I guess what the Dems have done in the past just not part of the facts. I don't blame him, if I were a Dem i'd just as soon forget what they have done too.
Get this. During this Presidency we have freed two countries and are in the way to having a democracy in the Middle East! We have the tewrrorists on the run and there have been no more attacks in this country. Despite all that the economy is rolling and amidst all ths turmoild employment was kept under 7%.
What an achievement by a great President.
During the Carter yers interest rates were over 19% unemplyment hit 10% and he didn't even have a war to deal with.
ljb, I don't blame you, leave the Dems out of this: they are too embarrassing.
hey guys you made him mad but i still didnt get answer to my questions to lefty;)
bill
Lefty
12-09-2003, 12:55 PM
Bill, my wife is a casino cashier. And i'm not mad. Just stumbled on the Lefty thread a few mins before I responded. Been busy with databases.
Bill
Lefty doesn't answer questions he just spins facts and fumes alot. ;)
Lefty
12-09-2003, 02:48 PM
I have never been presented with a question I did not answer; unlike you and amazin. If the facts scare you or disturb you then you are in the minority as it concerns this president. You Dems starting to panic and it's fun, fun, fun.
Lefty
12-09-2003, 03:59 PM
Bill, if there's a question you think I haven't answered, spit it up.
read first post last sentence
Lefty
12-09-2003, 08:16 PM
Bill, i've already responded. My wife is a casino cashier; has been for 26 yrs. I don't think the Medicare bill will impact her one way or another. What else do you need to know?
now i understand lefty also reads only what he wants to i ask him to tell me where the new is better than what we had
Lefty
12-09-2003, 10:13 PM
The new is better because it contains medical and health savings accounts. Maybe it is you who should read a little closer. I espoused on this, adinfinitum.
lefty the question was where is it better for me i stated my costs now they will go up under the new and some meds will not even be covered
not yanking your chain just trying to follow your thinking
Lefty
12-10-2003, 01:45 AM
Bill, Medicare is a lousy plan and always will be but it's so ingrained into our society that it's impossible to ax it cause the Dems yell bloody murder if Repubs even want to change it imagine the hue and cry if they tried to rid society of this monster. Sadly, it's with us and if you are a senior too, then the damn thing priob not gonna help us much' as only about 1.7 million seniors have a need for the prescription part. But for the younger folk, the medical savings acct part should save some money. And even that savings might be off in the future, but it's a start. As for you and me, don't see any help. I had my wish, we'd go back to the Johnson adm in a time machine and stop the whole mess from happening. Hell, let's go back to Roosevelt and do SS right.
Originally posted by ljb
Strange to find Lefty speechless. If he does find the correct spin for this medicare fiasco, maybe he can then start working on explaining the pork that was dished out in washington yesterday by the borrow and spend republicans.
Let's be fair here. Your precuios liitle demo-whores where in on this, too. Just becasue they stand bloated-boy Teddy up there to spout off, they are in on this too, and no wthey all run out of town for vacation, leaving important legislation dangling in the breeze. Get real-none of these morons are representing anyone vut themselves. The congress of this country is run by traitors to us all. The HMOS start raking in billions next March, the seniors benefits don't kick in until 2006! And the rest of the plan in 2010! Come on, what does Bush have to do, offer to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge before we can all see what he really is?
JesseV!!!
12-10-2003, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Lefty
ljb, just wants to talk about the facts. I guess what the Dems have done in the past just not part of the facts. I don't blame him, if I were a Dem i'd just as soon forget what they have done too.
Get this. During this Presidency we have freed two countries and are in the way to having a democracy in the Middle East!
What??? Iran is the mirror image as to what Iraq will be after we leave...no brainer.
We have the tewrrorists on the run and there have been no more attacks in this country.
They're on the run to Iraq to pick off our soldiers!
Despite all that the economy is rolling and amidst all ths turmoild employment was kept under 7%.
What an achievement by a great President.
That's just plain funny.
During the Carter yers interest rates were over 19% unemplyment hit 10% and he didn't even have a war to deal with.
Jimmy is a great man, just didn't understand the game of diplomacy.
Bush could bring down the price of oil at the drop of a hat. Why doesn't he do that for us?
The ONLY thing great about bush, is his new found wealth!
ljb, I don't blame you, leave the Dems out of this: they are too embarrassing.
This country will be fine again when Dean/Clark takes over. Watch and see.
Lefty, say you're 67 and need a liver transplant. It's going to run 800k. How will you swing that?
Derek2U
12-10-2003, 11:37 PM
Hey when was the last time u guys went out dancing?
Lefty go make me proud & take 2 days off from here --- 48 HRS
and NOT 1 minute less --- and live in the streets, beg for $$,
cup in hand, just 2 make me Happy. Maybe then the words SOCIAL NEED will resoNate. maybe, im not sure .... so Live & GetOut and check whats happening.............. djc
Lefty
12-11-2003, 12:36 AM
Jesse, you're so far wrong I don't know where to start. Jimmy Carter didn't understand diplomacy? Right, he never met a dictator he didn't like. He also didn't understand economics or anything else. So how does that make him a great man?
If I needed a liver transplant how would I swing it? It would be tough. What's your point? But it would be tough no matter who was President, so I guess I don't understand your point at all.
Derek, I don't have to beg in the streets. Nobody does. Some just choose to. I raised 4 kids during the sixties, took some tough grueling minimum pay jobs; even sold Fuller Brush door to door. I never had to beg in the streets cause I was always willing to work at anything to keep the family fed. Wife worked too, and get this; we had to pay for our own babysitters and daycare. People today think the govt should supply them everything and that's a damn shame.
Lefty said " I raised 4 kids during the sixties, took some tough grueling minimum pay jobs; even sold Fuller Brush door to door. I never had to beg in the streets cause I was always willing to work at anything to keep the family fed. Wife worked too, and get this; we had to pay for our own babysitters and daycare. "
Gee Lefty, too bad you couldn't get a job that paid a living wage, wife could have stayed home and raised the kids.
Lefty
12-11-2003, 12:08 PM
Things were tough then. But the tough do what needs to be done and not go whining to the govt to hijack everyone elses money to help them out.
boxcar
12-11-2003, 12:59 PM
Yo-Yo wrote:
Gee Lefty, too bad you couldn't get a job that paid a living wage, wife could have stayed home and raised the kids.
Hey, LJB, I would have thought that the "better", more compassionate liberal approach to get the little lady to stay home with the kids is for Lefty to forgo those non-living wage jobs and the family to go on welfare instead, and on the foodstamp program, and for the wife to keep getting pregnant in order to get on WIC which would complete the family entitlement mode. Now that's really living, isn't it!?
Boxcar
Do- Do wrote:
" Hey, LJB, I would have thought that the "better", more compassionate liberal approach to get the little lady to stay home with the kids is for Lefty to forgo those non-living wage jobs and the family to go on welfare instead, and on the foodstamp program, and for the wife to keep getting pregnant in order to get on WIC which would complete the family entitlement mode. Now that's really living, isn't it!?
Hey Boxcar , thinking was your first mistake. Basically you right wingers are too narrow minded to think clearly.
Lefty,
I raised 5 children during the same time frame. My wife stayed home and raised them. When the going gets tough the tough get going. I worked two and sometimes three jobs. Who's whining?
lsbets
12-11-2003, 01:41 PM
LJB, if I am reading your post correctly, you worked hard, did not complain, did not take a hand out, and are a better man for it. You probably also taught your kids the value of hard work, and I would imagine that they have turned out okay. You could be a poster boy for conservatism. LOL
Originally posted by ljb
Gee Lefty, too bad you couldn't get a job that paid a living wage, wife could have stayed home and raised the kids.
Every now and then, despite trying hard to conceal them, someone's true colors come shining brightly through.
lsbets,
you read my post correctly. What makes you think only conservatives work hard etc?
Lefty
12-11-2003, 02:22 PM
We don't. We are just perplexed that you want your hardearned money to be heavily taxed so that someone else can get a govt. handout and escape the personal responsibilty thaat you and I and a lot of others have accepted.
lsbets
12-11-2003, 02:31 PM
LJB, my post was part compliment, part tongue in cheek. I do not think only conservatives work hard, people of all stripes do, I think only a small percentage of people choose to live off the dole rather than work hard. I was complimenting your choices and work ethic, but then tongue in cheek pointing out that what you have done in your life seems contrary to what you advocate in public policy. The "conservatives" that you rail against would hold you up as an example of what a man can accomplish. I find that humorous, that is what I was saying.
Now, judging by the way that these threads have gone in the past, I will be called a raging right winger, conservative, etc...., but I will say that while I lean conservative, I do believe that a safety net is needed for those who simply cannot take care of themselves (there are some like that) or those who just plain get screwed (there are some of those). But, for most people, I advocate exactly what you did - dig your heels in and get the job done. I think a major problem in our nation today is that we do not teach people to work hard and overcome obstacles. Our politicians would rather buy our votes with programs that have more beurocratic failures than success (I am not saying there are no successes, there are, but way too few) than make the hard choices that make a real difference.
Again though, I compliment you on what you have done, I wish more people made that choice.
ljb,
Serious question...how is one parent working two or three jobs(which means very little time with the kids) better than both parents working and having equal time with the kids?
cj
Good question. I'm kinda old fashioned. If both parents work hard at there jobs, that is the best. But i don't think i said one way was better then the other.
boxcar
12-11-2003, 11:48 PM
This forum's dimly lit bulb dares to writes:
Hey Boxcar , thinking was your first mistake. Basically you right wingers are too narrow minded to think clearly.
Is that right, LJB? But it's obvious to this right-winger that a left-winger like yourself who has such a wide open mind has allowed too much garbage and sewage to seep in over the years as evidenced by your atrocious grammatical and spelling errors that a home-schooled or otherwise privately educated 2nd grader wouldn't dream of making. Good job, LJB. Only you could make so many errors employing so few words.
Our great "thinker" later posted this gem:
Good question. I'm kinda old fashioned. If both parents work hard at there [sic] jobs, that is the best. But i don't think i said one way was better then [sic] the other.
Boxcar
Lefty
12-12-2003, 02:20 AM
lsbets, yes, a safety net for those that really need it but through voluntary charitable contributions and not tax dollars.
JustRalph
12-12-2003, 09:07 AM
http://www.anncoulter.org/
kind of fits with some of the posts in here lately.........
lsbets
12-12-2003, 09:18 AM
Lefty, I agree with you on charity, but the question that I would pose is, what about the times when charity fails or is unable to help? What about the times when they do not have enough money? Do we as a society tell people "Too bad, starve" I don't think many would go for that, and I do not think that is who we want to be as a nation. The issue is determining who really is in need and designing programs that will help those people become independant. Our current "safety net" is a total failure in that regard. Despite what the left would have us believe, entitlements are the largest part of our budget, completely out of the presidents hands, and they do not accomplish what they should. The system needs to be scrapped and redesigned. However, I am realistic enough to know that will never happen. Politics and public policy are not about the truth, they are about winning.
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