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GOLDEN GATE

Today's Racing Digest

THE OSTERMAN FILES

GOING OVER THE EDGE

He’s taken us to the precipice often in the past but, this time Vic Stauffer went right over the edge.

His call for Thursday’s Hollywood Prevue Stakes was the last straw, not to mention a flagrant violation of the neutrality code

and professional ethics that announcers from coast to coast have lived up to for nearly a century. It went something like, “and Galex

has pulled up. It doesn’t look good for Galex. Darn it”. Darn it? Who is Stauffer, Beaver Cleaver? It probably could have been

worse. He could have said “Rats”, ala Charlie Brown.

Whatever perpetuated Stauffer’s reaction (genuine concern for the horse, sympathy for the connections, sorrow for those who

took 3/1 on Galex or just downright pandering), it was truly a travesty in the annals of announcing. There is no need for commentary

of this sort during the call of a race. Leave the diagnosis of the injury to the professionals, leave potential personal feelings to the

individual. Stay out of it, please. I have never heard any other race caller feel the need to add their two cents to an already bad

situation. However, if someone opts to thrust their opinion on an unsuspecting public, you’d think they could come up with something

better than “darn it”.

Personally, after the Prevue, I took an oath to never listen to another call from the guy. When I’m in control, the TV is now

on “mute” for every Hollywood Park event and it’s turned out to be a very relaxing and enjoyable experience. When races are not

interrupted by someone trying to be “the show”, serious handicappers are able to follow the action as it unfolds rather than rely on

tedious tidbits from a seemingly rabid announcer.

Calling races should be an exercise in journalism where the “who, what, where and when” is reported and not embellished.

Just call the race accurately, that’s all that is being asked.

Some, however, have the skills to do more. Take Michael Wrona, for instance. This fella is an absolute joy and anyone

wishing to compare Wrona with Stauffer only needs to look away from a race and just listen to the call. With Wrona, you know

where every horse is at every point and he rarely, if ever, loses his place or his pace. Stauffer, on the other hand, is always rumbling,

stumbling and bumbling trying to keep up. At crunch time, Wrona doesn’t raise his voice but simply increases the cadence as the

horses near the wire. Stauffer always sounds like he’s risking an aneurysm in the final furlong as his voice soars mega-decibels.

Wrona calls the tight photos with incredible accuracy and rarely with disclaimers. When he doesn’t take a stand (“oh, they’re out of

stride on the line”), there’s a good chance it’s a dead-heat. Stauffer tries to call all the tight ones but there’s always an “I think” or

something else to cover his behind. Still, he blows some outright. And, of course, Wrona is clever and, sometimes, laugh-out-loud

funny. You never hear the same call from him twice, it’s always fresh and suitable for the horses involved. Stauffer attempts to hide

his lack of originality by just screaming at the top of his lungs, no matter what the situation.

Wrona is always reporting while adding informative details about a horse’s history and style or regarding the connections

recent success, or lack thereof. Stauffer generally refers to riders by their first names or nicknames (“traveling well for Chantal”, or

“Go Go” has so-and-so well placed). Wrona uses the last name and, as any journalism school graduate knows, that’s the way you’re

supposed to do it. It’s as if Stauffer wants everybody to know he’s on a first name basis with the riders, even if “the Dominican

Dandy” did fire him as his agent a few years ago. It’s as if he wants everybody to understand he’s the smartest guy in the room just

because he’s the one bellowing into a microphone. The only knock ever heard on Wrona is his insistence on calling the finish of

every horse in the field which tends to tick off some not interested in being told that their best bet of the day straggled home sixth.

However, that’s a “flaw”, if it is one, we can all live with.

No, there is no comparison between Wrona and Stauffer. One is great and the other is, well, pretty-darn bad.

California’s other three announcers all tower over Stauffer as well. Trevor Denman may have lost a few steps over the

decades but he remains a comfort to us all, even if his catch phrases are beginning to wear a little thin. Frank Mirahmadi, the new

voice of Oaklawn Park, is relegated to county-fair duties during the summer locally but he’s accurate, understands his craft and can be

quite entertaining while picking his spots for the occasional impression. Eddie Burgart, of course, is an icon at Los Alamitos. Nobody

calls a Quarterhorse race like he does.

To be fair, there are some folks out there who actually like Stauffer’s erratic, over-the-top style. I just don’t happen to be

one of them. Darn it!!!!!!

Editor’s note: My now 19-year-old was watching tapes of the week’s races from Hollywood Park with me years ago. He must have

been about

Greyfox
12-06-2011, 01:52 AM
I enjoy your race calls Vic. Keep up the good work. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Greyfox

PaceAdvantage
12-06-2011, 02:01 AM
And people think PaceAdvantage.com is tough on announcers... :lol:

Cardus
12-06-2011, 04:04 AM
"Osterman" provides facts to support his conclusion that Vic is a bad announcer. There is no hint of a personal animus in his report.

I agree with "Osterman".

And it is telling that Vic feels the need to post to everyone, "Hey, someone thinks I am awful. Here it is!"

What kind of person does this?

rrpic6
12-06-2011, 06:18 AM
Instead of "darn it" why not blurt out "WTF, that pig Galex broke down and I had big money on him, Gawddammit" This is gambling and its not like there are any patrons live at Hollywood Park, just a few watching on TVG or OTB's. Man up and let it fly!

RR

lamboguy
12-06-2011, 06:25 AM
"Osterman" provides facts to support his conclusion that Vic is a bad announcer. There is no hint of a personal animus in his report.

I agree with "Osterman".

And it is telling that Vic feels the need to post to everyone, "Hey, someone thinks I am awful. Here it is!"

kind of person doesWhat this?i know that i am nothing but a loose racehorse, so what i say takes a back seat to everyone else here.

but to answer your question, its only a person that tries to make a positive out of a negetive that is brave enough to confront an article like this head on.

merry christmas to all including the people here that always look at the glass as being half empty

nijinski
12-06-2011, 06:37 AM
Sounds to me like Osterman had a bad day at the the races . Seriously though he was a bit brutal. Despite his opinion try and keep your head up and turn the page .
I don't fault you for a blurt out at the sight of a horse in distress , I think
thats human. Keep on calling , you can't please everyones tastes and you don't have to .

statepierback
12-06-2011, 07:00 AM
I find Vic's call entertaining and Rona's calls clever but boring.JMTCW

thaskalos
12-06-2011, 07:47 AM
The article is a little "out of balance", IMO.

How do you go, from a semi-funny Beaver Cleaver reference, to taking an oath never to listen to another Stauffer race call again...all in a matter of two short paragraphs?

Like Osterman, I too am partial to the announcers who keep an even tone of voice throughout their race call, and only increase their cadence when the action intensifies...but I cannot agree that Stauffer is an assault to the ear.

At least he doesn't pause awkwardly while searching for words...like some other highly-touted east coast announcer I regularly listen to...:)

andymays
12-06-2011, 07:53 AM
He shouldn't have done the call that way and it was a mistake. Having said that it is absurd to say that he is a terrible race caller. He's better than many others. I like Wrona the best.

Canarsie
12-06-2011, 07:54 AM
If this really bothered Vic he wouldn't have posted it he has "thick" skin. It's a trait only the "GREAT" ones have. I mean what I'm writing, there is no need to suck up to anyone. At least to me he puts Denman to "shame" but that's one mans opinion. After all I like Grunder and the members in that group are in a small minority.

"Osterman" provides facts to support his conclusion that Vic is a bad announcer. There is no hint of a personal animus in his report.

I agree with "Osterman".

And it is telling that Vic feels the need to post to everyone, "Hey, someone thinks I am awful. Here it is!"

What kind of person does this?


Cardus is entitled to his opinion that's what the foundation of our great country was built on. I strongly disagree with him especially with the "posting" part. It's called a pre-emptive strike by bringing it to the forefront himself. What's he supposed to do let someone who doesn't like him cut and paste parts of the article? When I had words with someone here a "disclaimer" was issued I wanted to be fair and also bring it up before him.

Osterman states this.

To be fair, there are some folks out there who actually like Stauffer’s erratic, over-the-top style. I just don’t happen to be
one of them. Darn it!!!!!!


There is no need for a poll but at worst in my dumb as* opinion Vic would garner at bare minimum two thirds of the approval vote. It would probably go way over 80% his name recognition in the industry is high.

Ever think that Osterman needed more web hits for his body of work and that's why he wrote it? There is no doubt in my mind there's a 99% chance it's the most read piece he has written this year.

Let me close with this that if Vic was really that bad how come there aren't any threads about his race calling before this. If I missed one or two my bad I'll apologize in advance. If there are only a few negative comments it really doesn't count look how many members are registered here. Once again lots came out anti Grunder and Battaglia not just a few.

Uncle Salty
12-06-2011, 07:55 AM
Vic's calls at Hollywood have never struck me as "erratic" or "over the top." Compared to some of the other tracks' announcers I hear, he is very calm and collected. I personally have never heard him "scream at the top of his lungs" but I don't play as often as many of ya'll do...

I did like the one call a couple of years ago, when Talamo was on a horse that stumbled a bit around mid-stretch, lost a couple of lengths, regained his footing and pulled ahead to win. That was a good one. I think it was the 2009 spring meet. There was a little emotion in the voice, but a situation like that warrants it.

fiveouttasix
12-06-2011, 08:23 AM
I for one enjoy Vic's calls...I think the comment "darn it" was from the heart..there has been a rash of breakdowns at Hollywood the last week or so...I was feeling the same way

FenceBored
12-06-2011, 08:33 AM
Vic, have you been using Mr. Osterman's coffee cup to transport post race samples again?

Knowclew
12-06-2011, 09:43 AM
I'll take "Over the top reactions" for $2000 Alex.

While Vic may have spent a little too much time analyzing this breakdown midrace, this guy must have really needed something to write about.
Vic's passion for the horse came out there....human error, I think.

Vic is a solid race caller...just because you like your local guy better, bashing him was out of line.

Osterman asks for a race caller to be a journalist..."just call the race accurately"..then applauds Wrona for being "laugh out loud" funny. Can't have it both ways if you are going to write something like this.

I think race callers are part of the product, the entertainment. They must be informative as well. Vic's humor may be hard to spot at times, as it is rather subtle, but it is there.

Keep it up Vic...can't please all of them all of the time. I think you please most of them.:ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

BetCrazyGirl
12-06-2011, 09:53 AM
Calling races should be an exercise in journalism where the “who, what, where and when” is reported and not embellished.




Stauffer generally refers to riders by their first names or nicknames (“traveling well for Chantal”, or “Go Go” has so-and-so well placed). Wrona uses the last name and, as any journalism school graduate knows, that’s the way you’re




Does the author of this article even know what profession he is writing about. He keeps going back how 'journalist' do their thing but I never knew race track announcers were journalists, guess you learn something everyday. Its almost as if he needs to make sure that all the readers know he is a journalist! But then again with writing a full article on the words 'darn it', he has to make that clear since the writing isn't going to.

I've read some posts on here that are far more intriguing and could pass for 'professionalism' rather then this article that appear slap together in just a minute's time. (That's one reason I like stopping in on Pace Advantage :) )

If someone likes hearing a certain race track announcer or not is all personal opinion/taste anyways, as long they aren't screwing up what horse is what consistently.

speed
12-06-2011, 09:55 AM
Osterman says you stumble and bumble you're way through race calls. He obviously has no clue how difficult it is to eat an italian sub while calling a race, now does he. :D
Have always enjoyed you're calls, keep trucking. Now for you promoting TVG with the Bet Now icon in you're post, HANG HIM. :)

ArlJim78
12-06-2011, 10:20 AM
It would be boring if all announcers followed the same script that "Osterman" would like to hear. I enjoy the individual styles and quirks. That commentary is way over the top.

Spalding No!
12-06-2011, 10:30 AM
Ever think that Osterman needed more web hits for his body of work and that's why he wrote it? There is no doubt in my mind there's a 99% chance it's the most read piece he has written this year.

I would wager that Vic Stauffer is more worried about Osterman's web hits than Osterman himself, now that the latter has written a piece about him.

Hence the need to post this on a message board.

wisconsin
12-06-2011, 10:37 AM
Vic,

Keep up the good work, who cares what others think?

PhantomOnTour
12-06-2011, 10:46 AM
Vic,

I am a fan of yours, but it seems to me that this article has gotten to you and you're fishing for compliments.
That being said, I have never held a high profile job like yours and been subject to public criticisms, so maybe I'm out of line.
I apologize if I'm off base here, but imo it's better to let the haters be and never let 'em get a reaction out of you.
Let him know his input is always welcome and move on :ThmbUp:

PaceAdvantage
12-06-2011, 10:51 AM
"Osterman" provides facts to support his conclusion that Vic is a bad announcer. There is no hint of a personal animus in his report.

I agree with "Osterman".

And it is telling that Vic feels the need to post to everyone, "Hey, someone thinks I am awful. Here it is!"

What kind of person does this?
Someone who doesn't take himself as seriously as some would have us believe?

teddy
12-06-2011, 11:10 AM
I was just thinking the other day how great a caller Vic was. Hes different for sure and does get passionate about some of the jockeys he used to book for. I much prefer him to Trevor. Trevor has really missed some calls recently and not even noticed a horse break down. That gets a WTF from me every time. Darn it. I think the gone wrong call is stupid though. Just say hes injured himself or appears to have injured himself and is being pulled up. Even taken a bad step is better than gone wrong.

Wickel
12-06-2011, 01:49 PM
IMO, Vic ranks in the top 3, along with Durkin and Becker. His calls are spot on, with the proper inflection when called for. I can't say the same for someone like Wrona--no excitement, monotone call throughout. Keep doing what you're doing, Vic.

Casino
12-06-2011, 01:56 PM
My top 3

Dooley,Rodamn,Durkin-Vic is solid,hes passionate like most.It was a ugly spill,just like the Chavez spill you could hear it in Durkins voice he was concern.IMO no big deal.

Beachbabe
12-06-2011, 02:05 PM
WOW !!!
I didn't know that what you said was a "flagrant violation of the neutrality code."

Can this guy quote the "code" so that we all know what is or isn't a "violation."

:faint:

FenceBored
12-06-2011, 02:19 PM
WOW !!!
I didn't know that what you said was a "flagrant violation of the neutrality code."

Can this guy quote the "code" so that we all know what is or isn't a "violation."

:faint:

Osterman's Code of Announcer Conduct:
-----------------------------------------------
1. Always use just the jockey's last name. The fact might cause problems if Tyler Baze, Russell Baze, and Vicki Baze are riding in the same race is irrelevant.

2. Don't try to entertain, unless you do it in a way that I personally find amusing. Then it's alright.

3. Don't show any concern when a horse is injured. You aren't qualified to be concerned.

4. Don't raise your voice at me, just talk faster so that by the time they hit the wire it's an unintelligible blur.

5. Hell, if you're going to God damn curse, then really curse God damn it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Did I leave any out?

GameTheory
12-06-2011, 02:20 PM
It does bug me when Osterman-like folks present opinion as fact. He has a standard, which is essentially arbitrary and exists only in his mind, but he presents it as a well-accepted fact and that Vic is knowingly blatantly and flagrantly violating that standard. But I doubt Vic ever was presented with a code of ethics that he had to agree to in order to take the job that including items like "Do not refer to jockeys by their first names". (And it is hardly uncommon for sports announcers to refer to athletes by their first names, although some don't like it.)

He doesn't like Vic's style, but he does like Wrona's. Ok. And he gave us some reasons why, but dishonestly in my opinion. His main beef seems to boil down to Vic's calls being all about Vic, but that's exactly the impression I got about this article -- it was all about how great Osterman is.

Tom
12-06-2011, 03:15 PM
I think Vic is OK....I have more problems with idiots who write horse acing columns. I read very few articles because there are very few good writers.

And this chowder-head ain't one of them.

JustRalph
12-06-2011, 03:56 PM
Vic posted this for fun I am sure.

The guy is over the top for sure.

I was listening to that call on XM radio and I enjoyed it. I think some announcers don't realize that some calls are without video.

I knew right away that it was bad.......... and could feel it.

Vic is one of my favs. I miss playing SoCal racing.

Somehow I think Vic will endure this terrible criticism :lol:

Fingal
12-06-2011, 05:13 PM
I think Vic is OK....I have more problems with idiots who write horse acing columns. I read very few articles because there are very few good writers.

And this chowder-head ain't one of them.
Amen.

Just as one needs to pass a test to have a license, there should also be one to use a keyboard.

cj
12-06-2011, 05:15 PM
Someone who doesn't take himself as seriously as some would have us believe?

He sure took it seriously when he bashed this place on TrackChampion.

Cardus
12-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Amen.

Just as one needs to pass a test to have a license, there should also be one to use a keyboard.

Double Amen to that!

Cardus
12-06-2011, 08:07 PM
He sure took it seriously when he bashed this place on TrackChampion.

That was a "pre-emptive strike", CJ.

Greyfox
12-06-2011, 08:30 PM
Amen.

Just as one needs to pass a test to have a license, there should also be one to use a keyboard.

Who would pass and how many would be left to post here then?:D

andymays
12-06-2011, 08:49 PM
This is a typical overreaction to a mistake made by a flawed person/race caller. As a flawed person myself I hope the people judging Vic apply the same standards to themselves. How about that? ;)

ArlJim78
12-06-2011, 09:03 PM
This is a typical overreaction to a mistake made by a flawed person/race caller. As a flawed person myself I hope the people judging Vic apply the same standards to themselves. How about that? ;)
what was the mistake?

ronsmac
12-06-2011, 09:28 PM
That is a great article and I agree 100% .

GatetoWire
12-06-2011, 09:37 PM
pdpWrDYneCY

dinque
12-06-2011, 10:11 PM
the only thing out of the ordinary is that it added some kindness to the call...that guy is a joke

FenceBored
12-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Vic's exact words:
Oops, something's gone wrong with Galex. Galex has been pulled up out of the race. Galex has gone wrong around the far turn and he's been pulled up out of the race. It looks bad for Galex. Darn it!
-- http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2011/11/24/7/hollywood-prevue-s-gr-3
What's so wrong with that?

And here's the diagnosis:
Galex broke down three furlongs from the wire, and subsequently was euthanized because of severe injuries to his left front leg.
-- http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-park-so-brilliant-holds-win-hollywood-prevue
Maybe Vic was able to see something with those big binocs which Mr. Osterman couldn't see on his tv screen.

proximity
12-06-2011, 10:14 PM
He’s taken us to the precipice often in the past but, this time Vic Stauffer went right over the edge.

His call for Thursday’s Hollywood Prevue Stakes was the last straw, not to mention a flagrant violation of the neutrality code

and professional ethics that announcers from coast to coast have lived up to for nearly a century..............................


:sleeping: long rants about track announcers??

another california player with way too much free time on his hands.

andymays
12-06-2011, 10:15 PM
what was the mistake?

As a race caller you mention who went down or pulled up but you don't give a sound bite to the national media who might want to shut racing down.

proximity
12-06-2011, 10:19 PM
merry christmas to all including the people here that always look at the glass as being half empty

when the glass was a lot fuller in the past how are we supposed to look at it lamboguy?

doesn't mean we don't love the game as much as you do. maybe we're just frustrated that it's lagging ridiculously far below its true potential.

proximity
12-06-2011, 10:33 PM
As a race caller you mention who went down or pulled up but you don't give a sound bite to the national media who might want to shut racing down.


as if any "national media" are actually listening at this point.

the pen racing illuminati would love you.

and if media could and really wanted to shut down a dangerous sport they could start with auto racing.

PaceAdvantage
12-06-2011, 11:38 PM
He sure took it seriously when he bashed this place on TrackChampion.Yes, but he quickly realized the error of his ways... :lol:

Besides, by saying something nice about Vic, I was intentionally trying to rile up Cardus...

I'm always thinking cj...you know that...

craigbraddick
12-06-2011, 11:40 PM
Just an incredible diatribe that defies logical reasoning.

I would pick apart some of the fallacies but it is pointless.

They have codes for race callers in th UK, made up entirely of people who have never done the job.

I think Vic should invite him to the booth to show how it should be done! :D

Craig

cj
12-07-2011, 12:16 AM
As a race caller you mention who went down or pulled up but you don't give a sound bite to the national media who might want to shut racing down.

There have been a lot of breakdowns happening lately at Hollywood, haven't there?

nijinski
12-07-2011, 12:56 AM
There have been a lot of breakdowns happening lately at Hollywood, haven't there?
A lot injuries and some fatalities , Both turf and dirt .
Add the collapse of Irrefutable to that and they seem to have gotten off to
a bad start.

duncan04
12-07-2011, 01:39 AM
As a race caller you mention who went down or pulled up but you don't give a sound bite to the national media who might want to shut racing down.

No one pays attention to California racing.... Something about takeout :rolleyes:

andymays
12-07-2011, 02:27 AM
There have been a lot of breakdowns happening lately at Hollywood, haven't there?

Absolutely. The real story is about the claiming rule change that I believe happened on December first. I can't write about everything but this situation takes the cake.

toetoe
12-07-2011, 02:29 AM
Today's Racing Indigestible has experienced a triple deadheat: fulsome, noisome and nauseous. Time for Osterity measures, maybe ?

Presumably, Mr. Ostermaniac has an editor. Was he passed out drunk too ? Or, as they'd say on TVG, "... as well ?"

Vic, this does not even rise to the level of a Toetoe post. Its publication by you is a good sign. It tells me you are made of sterner stuff. :ThmbUp:

Now, about that 'whacker' business ... :D

toetoe
12-07-2011, 02:36 AM
Does anyone else love the term 'incredible accuracy' as much as I do ? I'm expecting to hear, any day now, a report of a trial featuring a witness so awesome, so wonderful ... well, he's just incredible.



Incredible accuracy. :lol: Kinda like Indigestible Racing Digest ?

Shelby
12-08-2011, 10:00 AM
Vic,

I enjoy listening to you call races. I could be negative and post a caller that I don't enjoy, but I'm not going to do that.

If a horse goes down during a race and the caller doesn't acknowledge it right away, then that caller gets an "F" in my book.

Keep on doing what you do. :ThmbUp:

You know what the stars say, even bad press is good press. :D

Shelby
12-09-2011, 02:41 PM
P.S. Vic, I enjoyed you on TVG today!

toetoe
12-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Vic,

You were not Sam Spear Himself, but you were so much better than the usual drivelers, and Wolf reined in his sycophancy. You guys actually make a decent tag team. While I despise the term "It is what it is," it should not be a dealbreaker, as I'm sure you won't use it ev'ry stinkin' day !!! [:Insert Chris Russo voice.]

You are to be commended for not once saying "as well." LoDuca started the phenomenon, Christina O. and Limpalong Cassidy fanned the flames, and it is now endemic at TVG. Carothers used it four or five times in the same breath the other day --- I $h!t you not. :eek:

I fear I jinxed you in leg 5, as I loved Southern Ridge, as much as you did.

Cardus
12-09-2011, 11:20 PM
Absolutely. The real story is about the claiming rule change that I believe happened on December first. I can't write about everything but this situation takes the cake.

Sure you can, Andy.

I have faith in you!

FenceBored
12-12-2011, 07:32 AM
As I was scanning the headlines at DRF this morning half asleep I was reminded of this section of Osterman's Offal:

Stauffer generally refers to riders by their first names or nicknames (“traveling well for Chantal”, or
“Go Go” has so-and-so well placed). Wrona uses the last name and, as any journalism school graduate knows, that’s the way you’re supposed to do it. It’s as if Stauffer wants everybody to know he’s on a first name basis with the riders, ...

See, the name Dominguez jumped out at me from a headline I didn't read closely and I thought Ramon, only to look at the lead sentence and find out it was the trainer Henry Dominguez they were talking about. Damn those j-school grads.

pandy
12-14-2011, 10:43 AM
This article is a gross over reaction by Osterman and makes him look trite and stupid.

It was good to see Vic on TVG the other day, his analysis is excellent.

horses4courses
12-14-2011, 01:32 PM
There have been a lot of breakdowns happening lately at Hollywood, haven't there?

Yeah, I guess there have been.
Saw another at AQU in R3 today, and have seen a few lately at LRL.
Just no telling, is there?

Greyfox
12-14-2011, 01:46 PM
Yeah, I guess there have been.
Saw another at AQU in R3 today, and have seen a few lately at LRL.
Just no telling, is there?

Penn National last night 6 horses raced in Race 5.
Four broke down or finished without riders.
Two went across the finish line with riders.

big frank
12-14-2011, 11:16 PM
Vic is one of the best race callers period ! He loves the game and it shows. he knows his horses and he is very accurate.