Does Tiger pass Jack?

[Casino]

In a interview this morning with Colin Cowherd Tiger says he hits it further then before,pratices more often now that hes healthy.Hes only 35 turns 36 this month.Has about 40-45 majors if he stays healthy to pass Jack.Does he?IMO Tiger passes Jack and gets 20.

[DRIVEWAY]

In a interview this morning with Colin Cowherd Tiger says he hits it further then before,pratices more often now that hes healthy.Hes only 35 turns 36 this month.Has about 40-45 majors if he stays healthy to pass Jack.Does he?IMO Tiger passes Jack and gets 20.

Jack and Tiger are tied at 14 majors thru age 35. Jack didn't win at age 36. So all Tiger needs is one major this year to take the lead again.

Tiger has from 36 thru 40 to do it. That will be 20 majors. He will need to win 25% of those majors to pass Jack.

Jack had 17 majors at the age of 40. His 18th at age 46 was a real surprise to everyone including Jack. Can't imagine Tiger one behind or tied with Jack at age 46 doing the same. Without knowing the competition he'll be facing in 11 years, the pressure on him will simply be too much to overcome.

If Tiger blanks at age 36 and 37, he'll never catch Jack. He needs to win one in 2012. If he does, it will be exciting going forward.

My guess is that Tiger wins 1 or 2 more. The Masters should give him number 15.

The amazing thing about Jack was that he had as many second place finishes in majors as he had wins. It seemed like his name was on the leaderboard on the back nine on Sunday of every Masters played for 30 years.

Tiger made a mistake by defining his career in terms of number of Majors won. Talking openly about catching Jack was a mistake. He's almost forced to continue playing because of that stated objective. If he plays poorly he will tarnish an otherwise stellar career.

Remember the greatest running back in NFL history doesn't have the most career yardage. Jim Brown simply set a standard of greatness.

In golf Bobby Jones set a similar standard.

[Greyfox]

. If he plays poorly he will tarnish an otherwise stellar career.

Remember the greatest running back in NFL history doesn't have the most career yardage. Jim Brown simply set a standard of greatness.

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Tiger and Jim Brown were "classless" off the playing field.
Tiger can practice all he wants, it's his head that will stop him from succeeding (besides the fact that many good youngsters are coming along.)

[DJofSD]

Tiger can practice all he wants, it's his head that will stop him from succeeding (besides the fact that many good youngsters are coming along.)
I agree the mental aspect will be the determining factor. He's already proven the physical issues are behind him.

He will get another "W". I had originally thought it might come during his tournament but with the weather a huge factor this weekend, I'll just say he'll have another win soon.

He's a lot more relaxed, he's fixed whatever problems he was having with his swing and he's a lot more focused on the "W".

[JustRalph]

He's done. If he gets 4 more majors I will be stunned.

Jack Nicklaus is a class act and one hell of a nice guy.

In that category, Tiger never passes Jack. In the long run, morals and character count for much more

[DJofSD]

JR, I agree however moral and character does not determine how well you play the game, how far you hit the ball and whether or not you can win. There are plenty of political types out there that prove the point for me.

[Marshall Bennett]

The fields are much stronger and competitive than when Jack was playing. That alone makes it really tough on Tiger, even if he was to step up his game. I really don't see him being good enough to make a serious run at it.

[ManU918]

He's done. If he gets 4 more majors I will be stunned.

Jack Nicklaus is a class act and one hell of a nice guy.

In that category, Tiger never passes Jack. In the long run, morals and character count for much more

He's done?... Seems like you don't like him personally. Take away your personal dislike for the guy, then rethink the question... The question is will he pass Jack when it comes to majors, not who is a nicer guy or who has better character.

[Casino]

He's done. If he gets 4 more majors I will be stunned.

Jack Nicklaus is a class act and one hell of a nice guy.

In that category, Tiger never passes Jack. In the long run, morals and character count for much more

JR,what would make you think Jack never cheated on his wife?Whole different world now,no privacy.Back then they didnt have all the bullshit TMZ,DEADSPIN,etc.....Im sure Jack has some skeletons we all do.

[ElKabong]

JR,what would make you think Jack never cheated on his wife?.

Because his wife didn't beat the shit out of him with a 7 iron....that's just one reason.

Tiger doesn't pass Jack.
Tiger isn't the man Jack is, or was.
Jack will be known as a gracious champion, with the Majors record.
Tiger will be remembered for having the shit beaten out of him b/c he couldn't drive away fast enough from a 30 yo 100 lb woman.

[sandpit]

The fields are much stronger and competitive than when Jack was playing. That alone makes it really tough on Tiger, even if he was to step up his game. I really don't see him being good enough to make a serious run at it.

The fields may be stronger top to bottom, but Nicklaus faced way better cream of the crop players. Looking at list of the top 20 major winners in the history of the sport, Nicklaus had to square off against Watson, Player, Palmer, Ballesteros, Floyd. Woods has faced 1 that has made the same list: Mickleson.

[Casino]

Because his wife didn't beat the shit out of him with a 7 iron....that's just one reason.

Tiger doesn't pass Jack.
Tiger isn't the man Jack is, or was.
Jack will be known as a gracious champion, with the Majors record.
Tiger will be remembered for having the shit beaten out of him b/c he couldn't drive away fast enough from a 30 yo 100 lb woman.


What???so because Jack didnt get hit with a 9 iron by his wife doesnt mean he didnt cheat.
You dont know Jack from a hole in the wall,believe me 75% of all athletes have affairs,btw im sure we all said the same thing about Joe Pa,nice guy,respectful,honest ,meanwhile he was involved in the cover up.

[Casino]

The fields may be stronger top to bottom, but Nicklaus faced way better cream of the crop players. Looking at list of the top 20 major winners in the history of the sport, Nicklaus had to square off against Watson, Player, Palmer, Ballesteros, Floyd. Woods has faced 1 that has made the same list: Mickleson.

Tiger changed the game period.

[ElKabong]

What???so because Jack didnt get hit with a 9 iron by his wife doesnt mean he didnt cheat.
You dont know Jack from a hole in the wall,believe me 75% of all athletes have affairs,btw im sure we all said the same thing about Joe Pa,nice guy,respectful,honest ,meanwhile he was involved in the cover up.

Yes, I should believe you. Afterall "75% of all athletes have affairs". :rolleyes:

I always thought Joe Paterno was a douche, at least since Dec 1969. But you thought "we all" thought differently, so maybe I was wrong in my opinion :jump:

[WPL]

Tiger may pass Jack. But he won't pass Jill.

He's all over her.

[Striker]

In a interview this morning with Colin Cowherd Tiger says he hits it further then before,pratices more often now that hes healthy.Hes only 35 turns 36 this month.Has about 40-45 majors if he stays healthy to pass Jack.Does he?IMO Tiger passes Jack and gets 20.
A stab in the dark here---He will have some kind of injury occur this year and will sideline him for a decent amount of time. I'll go with his left knee or left achilles tendon, where he has had numerous problems over the years before.

[Casino]

Yes, I should believe you. Afterall "75% of all athletes have affairs". :rolleyes:

I always thought Joe Paterno was a douche, at least since Dec 1969. But you thought "we all" thought differently, so maybe I was wrong in my opinion :jump:


I was being consevative when i said 75%. :rolleyes:

[DJofSD]

I was being consevative when i said 75%. :rolleyes:
The two of you should get a room.

[Canarsie]

He's done. If he gets 4 more majors I will be stunned.

Jack Nicklaus is a class act and one hell of a nice guy.

In that category, Tiger never passes Jack. In the long run, morals and character count for much more
I would be shocked if he gets more than one. Most know how I feel about Tiger but that’s for another day. Today’s golfer has no “scare” factor when going up against Tiger. McIlroy has even stated” I want to go head to head against Tiger”. Five years ago nobody would have even dared to think that let alone state it.





He's done?... Seems like you don't like him personally. Take away your personal dislike for the guy, then rethink the question... The question is will he pass Jack when it comes to majors, not who is a nicer guy or who has better character.


Here’s why I say one maximum. Though never proved so accusations can’t be made Tiger hasn’t been the same about an equal amount of time that his doctor from Canada stopped seeing him. He has also sustained more injuries then the average golfer of the same age. Once again you are innocent until proven guilty but if one chose to put two and two together….you fill in the blanks



While it was a lot harder to get caught when Jack played he did have a private plane to take him home so he's getting the benefit of the doubt from me. Any guy who rushes to get home to spend as much time with his family as possible is a "WINNER" in my book.


Also Europe and Australia has passed the U.S. in producing top talent. A bunch of them have beaten Tiger don’t think for a second they talk among themselves saying stuff like “he’s over the hill, he doesn’t scare me, he’s not dedicated anymore” and so on.

[delayjf]

Tiger changed the game period.

I agree, but the field has caught up to him. One of his biggest advantages was his length. He no longer has that advantage - they all can hit the ball 300+. He's also lost the advantage of youth, and by that I mean his body is catching up with his career. He's been playing golf for so long, all that torque over all those years is starting to take it's toll. I will be surprized if he's able to stay healthy long enough to catch Jack.

[Jay Trotter]

....Im sure Jack has some skeletons we all do.
Casnio, please share a skeleton of your with us! I'm intrigued.

My two cents worth......Tiger will win two more times gauranteed. He is maybe 20% to tie Jack and maybe 10% to get to 19.

My favorite player, aside from Hale Irwin is Jack Nicklaus. That being said, I always cheered for Tiger to win and move towards breaking the record. I don't "hate" Tiger now, but I certainly don't respect him and no longer cheer for him to win.

I think the players of old had a lot more character and we became much more attached to them than we do with today's cookie cutter golfer. As mentioned in a previous post, Jack had a number of "great" opponents as foils. Tiger has about 50 great players to beat each time out. It is much tougher to notch a major than it ever was for Jack.

That's my rambling thought on the subject....Tiger "can" beat Jack's record but he'll never be the "legend" Jack was.

[DJofSD]

I agree, but the field has caught up to him. One of his biggest advantages was his length. He no longer has that advantage - they all can hit the ball 300+. He's also lost the advantage of youth, and by that I mean his body is catching up with his career. He's been playing golf for so long, all that torque over all those years is starting to take it's toll. I will be surprized if he's able to stay healthy long enough to catch Jack.

http://www.pgatour.com/2011/tournaments/r478/12/02/transcript-woods/index.html

Q. Matt Kuchar was in here and said when he played a practice round with you I guess before the Australian, he realized you were hitting it up with Dustin Johnson. How much length had you lost or in your mind had you lost, and are you back to where you used to be a couple of years ago?

TIGER WOODS: I'm longer than I was a couple years ago, yeah. Yeah. It's hard to say because, I mean, irons you can't really compare because guys have different lofts. My lofts and lengths are clubs are different than most of the guys now. The new standard is different. But driver off the tee, I'm not quite as long as Dustin, but I'm in the ballpark. But I feel like I'm probably with my irons, I'd say probably a half a club shorter than he is. But if it was apples to apples with the lofts and the length of clubs, it might be pretty close.

I'm in the ballpark. I'm not as long as he is. I can't carry the ball as far as he can. My ball flight is a little bit different than that. He hits a draw, but he hits it hot, and he hits it up in the air. I don't quite hit that shot.

Q. Were you losing length off the tee?

TIGER WOODS: Yeah, my mechanics were such that I couldn't put any speed into it. I kept slowing down to get the club in the right position. Now I can go again. I can be aggressive. It was frustrating because all the strength training that I was doing, how in the hell am I hitting it shorter? I should be hitting it further. But now I've got the club in the right position, supplement that with my weight training, all of a sudden the ball is flying, and that's -- it's good and bad. You know, Christ, I hit a wedge on 17 today. That's 150 to the front, I fly it over the green. I didn't hit it hard. Sometimes it's good and bad, I've just got to get used to it.

[thaskalos]

Our society places athletes on such a high pedestal...the vast majority of them are destined to disappoint us.

WE are the ones who build them up as "model citizens"...and then we take great pleasure at tearing them down -- even for "personal" matters which are not of our business.

"What kind of examples are they for our kids", we ask...without realizing that, if our kids have to look to athletes for behavior advice, we might be failing in our roles as parents.

Tiger Woods only showed us that he was a great golfer...

It was WE who expected him to be a great husband as well...

[Canarsie]

Our society places athletes on such a high pedestal...the vast majority of them are destined to disappoint us.

WE are the ones who build them up as "model citizens"...and then we take great pleasure at tearing them down -- even for "personal" matters which are not of our business.

"What kind of examples are they for our kids", we ask...without realizing that, if our kids have to look to athletes for behavior advice, we might be failing in our roles as parents.

Tiger Woods only showed us that he was a great golfer...

It was WE who expected him to be a great husband as well...

You make a very compelling argument that would hold for over 90% of athletes I'm buying in.

But in Tigers case here was a guy who constantly curses when children were near because of a bad shot. While I agree that the role model should be the parents how many young kids will say f**k and reply "well Tiger uses it and your a fan of him".

You will have considerable time to consider to my argument but what if a child stated that to a parent who wasn't prepared? He or she couldn't say "give me an hour to research an appropriate answer".

Also it wasn't one or two affairs he lived the life of a "wild man". If he was single that would be ok but when droves of women have to be paid off to keep quiet something is wrong. Imagine if he didn't have the millions to keep them quiet?

Still America is a forgiving nation I don't see his previous behavior brought up as much as time moves on.

[098poi]

Congratulations to Tiger who just won his first tournament in 2 years!

[Casino]

Congratulations to Tiger who just won his first tournament in 2 years!

He also is healthy for first time in 2 years.THE RED AND BLACK IS BACK ON SUNDAY..

[DJofSD]

TW - Tiger wins!

Like him or not, he is back and he's done what JD, David Duval and others have not been able to do. And America likes its under dogs.

[Canarsie]

TW - Tiger wins!

Like him or not, he is back and he's done what JD, David Duval and others have not been able to do. And America likes its under dogs.

The biggest winner yesterday was the PGA. I would bet ratings probably quadrupled at bare minimum even with football on. Like him or not people turn on golf when he's in contention.