penn state........

[proximity]

nothing on here about penn state??:confused:

this has to be the biggest scandal in the history of college sports.

[thaskalos]

Shocking revelations.

This is not just a "scandal"...it's a heinous crime!

If these charges are true, then everyone who knew about this and didn't act on it should be fired immediately...and all those involved in a cover-up should go to jail.

Like Jeremy Schaap said, not only will Joe Paterno's legacy be tarnished...it will be shredded.

[llegend39]

I dont think anything will happen to Joe PA He knew of 1 incident,reported it,it was up to those officials(who resigned) to take care of it Joe is bigger then god in Happy Valley I predict he survives

[ManU918]

I dont think anything will happen to Joe PA He knew of 1 incident,reported it,it was up to those officials(who resigned) to take care of it Joe is bigger then god in Happy Valley I predict he survives

Did you read the indictment? If not I suggest you read it before you claim "he reported it". He didn't report nothing to any authorities. Joe Pa knew exactly what was going on and he should be fired immediately. His defensive coordinator sexual assaulted from what we know now 10 kids. The head of finance has been charged with perjury, the AD is being charged with perjury, and for anyone to think its okay that Joe Pa knew about kids getting sexually assaulted and did nothing is wrong. His legacy is gone. How does a guy in his position think what he did was the right thing to do? These are 10 year old little kids that his defensive/ex defensive coordinator was abusing on campus and he knew about it and did nothing. Sandusky had an office at Penn State and until this weekend was allowed on campus. The leader of Penn State is Joe Paterno, if he doesn't step down he will be fired. These are kids who were being abused. Paterno could have taken action and everyone would of applauded him for bringing light to the situation. Instead he swept it under the rug and tried to protect his friend. The board of trustees need to grow a set of balls and do the right thing. The reputation of the whole university is at stake here.

[llegend39]

Did you read the indictment? If not I suggest you read it before you claim "he reported it". He didn't report nothing to any authorities. Joe Pa knew exactly what was going on and he should be fired immediately. His defensive coordinator sexual assaulted from what we know now 10 kids. The head of finance has been charged with perjury, the AD is being charged with perjury, and for anyone to think its okay that Joe Pa knew about kids getting sexually assaulted and did nothing is wrong. His legacy is gone. How does a guy in his position think what he did was the right thing to do? These are 10 year old little kids that his defensive/ex defensive coordinator was abusing on campus and he knew about it and did nothing. Sandusky had an office at Penn State and until this weekend was allowed on campus. The leader of Penn State is Joe Paterno, if he doesn't step down he will be fired. These are kids who were being abused. Paterno could have taken action and everyone would of applauded him for bringing light to the situation. Instead he swept it under the rug and tried to protect his friend. The board of trustees need to grow a set of balls and do the right thing. The reputation of the whole university is at stake here.


one incident on campus 8-9 years the rest occurred through his work at his non-profit charity Where were those people? They didnt see anything?
Id keep Joe

[ManU918]

one incident on campus 8-9 years the rest occurred through his work at his non-profit charity Where were those people? They didnt see anything?
Id keep Joe

Stop replying until you read the 23 page indictment. Here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html

[slew101]

Are you claiming he's at fault because he didn't report it to the police, only to school officials?

The feds have already said Paterno is not implicated in the case.

"Joe Paterno was a witness who cooperated and testified before the grand jury," said Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office. "He's not a suspect."

Stop replying until you read the 23 page indictment. Here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html

[badcompany]

Are you claiming he's at fault because he didn't report it to the police, only to school officials?

The feds have already said Paterno is not implicated in the case.

"Joe Paterno was a witness who cooperated and testified before the grand jury," said Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office. "He's not a suspect."

This was a nine year investigation. What you're seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg. My guess is that Paterno was promised immunity for his cooperation.

The bottom line is that Paterno did nothing even though he knew this guy was a sexual predator who ran a children's charity.

Paterno should resign immediately or be fired.

I agree that this is by far the worst scandal in the history of college sports.

[cj]

Are you claiming he's at fault because he didn't report it to the police, only to school officials?

The feds have already said Paterno is not implicated in the case.

"Joe Paterno was a witness who cooperated and testified before the grand jury," said Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office. "He's not a suspect."

He is no naive kid. If I knew something like that and reported it to school officials, you can be damn sure I would follow up and see what is being done about it. I'm sure I would have went to police in the first place though.

[ManU918]

Are you claiming he's at fault because he didn't report it to the police, only to school officials?

The feds have already said Paterno is not implicated in the case.

"Joe Paterno was a witness who cooperated and testified before the grand jury," said Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office. "He's not a suspect."

So your in work, you walk into the bathroom and there goes one of your co-workers anally raping a 10 year old boy, you go to HR? Lets say you do go to HR and a week later this guy is still working with the company, your not going to call the police because you reported it to HR?

[thaskalos]

A nine-year investigation into allegations of the rape of young children...and Sandusky was only barred from the University on November 6th...2011?

Some learning institution Penn State turned out to be...

[Ocala Mike]

Here's a "take" on it. Guess that's why the place is called "Happy Valley" where everyone sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil even when evil is right under their noses.

http://ology.com/sports/scandal-happy-valley-any-one-person-could-have-stopped-sanduskys-abuse


Ocala Mike

[Canarsie]

So your in work, you walk into the bathroom and there goes one of your co-workers anally raping a 10 year old boy, you go to HR? Lets say you do go to HR and a week later this guy is still working with the company, your not going to call the police because you reported it to HR?


I can't read all this stuff it makes we want to throw up. One thing I have always said is a child "predator" deserves the death sentence they can never be rehabilitated.

But they're reporting nine years? How could they let behavior like this go on nine seconds once they have the facts. Seems to me lots of heads should roll including a bunch of people in enforcement and the legal community.

If I saw an adult abusing a child like that I wouldn't have to report him. They would have to charge me with criminal "assault".

Quite a few decades ago I was in a book store and a mother was hitting and abusing her child right in the store. I went over to her and said " you realize there are child abuse laws in this state and you are violating them". She gave some angry loud response and left in a huff. Till this day I think of that child and hope he turned out ok.

[rastajenk]

Where are the victims, and why is this story breaking now?

[JustRalph]

Where are the victims, and why is this story breaking now?


Read the indictment. They testified to the grand jury. They will again. Joe looks like shit here, no matter how you slice it.

I think he must have obviously hid behind the skirt do AD. So far it's worked for him. The graduate assistant that went directly to Paterno gave graphic detail in his account to Paterno. You can't tell me Paterno doesn't know the campus Chief of Police. He should have made an immediate phone call to Chief of police, then his AD and let it go from there. End of story.

Horsing around? Get real. Theses guys all put children at risk.

In what world does Jim Tressel and others who violated NCAA rules get fired and Jopaw survive this?

[cj]

In what world does Jim Tressel and others who violated NCAA rules get fired and Jopaw survive this?

Exactly, this is bullcrap. I'm not sure if Paterno should be criminally charged, probably not, but he shouldn't keep his job. It is a travesty.

[Canarsie]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Police-say-Joe-Paterno-didnt-do-enough-to-stop-sexual-abuse-scandal-110711

[reckless]

What is the over/under in days-weeks-months before Joe Paterno quits or is fired?

Personally, I think he's gone by the end of the week if not by the end of tomorrow's press conference.

Even if I don't get the exact day he's gone I am pretty sure this is a fait accompli.

Paterno knew of the rape, and other previous deviant acts by Sandusky, and was the lone person in the entire institution that could have done the right thing by having Sandusky arrested immediately.

Kicking it upstairs was not the appropriate course of action for such a serious and criminal action.

[Pace Cap'n]

Note how they conveniently waited until he had the "wins" record to unseal the indictments.

[ElKabong]

so, Joe Paterno said he wasn't about to turn over college football to the likes of Barry Switzer and Jackie Sherrill, but he has no problem letting his DCO sexually abuse boys. Class touch, Joe.

Never have liked Paterno. Never hated him before.....but I do now. This was criminal.

[ElKabong]

Paterno knew of the rape, and other previous deviant acts by Sandusky, and was the lone person in the entire institution that could have done the right thing by having Sandusky arrested immediately.

Kicking it upstairs was not the appropriate course of action for such a serious and criminal action.

This seems familiar doesn't it? Bigtime programs turn their heads to avoid embarrassing scandals. A story per year like this, but this one has a stink to it only rivaled by Baylor's Dave Bliss a few yrs ago.

10 yr old boys sexually assaulted in a shower....Holy shit, how do you NOT report something like that???

[llegend39]

So your in work, you walk into the bathroom and there goes one of your co-workers anally raping a 10 year old boy, you go to HR? Lets say you do go to HR and a week later this guy is still working with the company, your not going to call the police because you reported it to HR?

Why didnt the grad assistant who ACTUALLY WITNESSED IT call the police instead of Joe? The outrage should be towards him Joe got it second hand and did what he was suppose to do I dont get the outrage towards him He wasnt involved in anyway or cover up
A local TV station conducted an informal poll on campus on Monday and the MAJORITY SAID JOE ACTED PROPERLY AND DIDNT THINK HE SHOULD RESIGN!

[judd]

Exactly, this is bullcrap. I'm not sure if Paterno should be criminally charged, probably not, but he shouldn't keep his job. It is a travesty.
joe knew. he was concerned about team record not shower stall time

[Canarsie]

Why didnt the grad assistant who ACTUALLY WITNESSED IT call the police instead of Joe? The outrage should be towards him Joe got it second hand and did what he was suppose to do I dont get the outrage towards him He wasnt involved in anyway or cover up
A local TV station conducted an informal poll on campus on Monday and the MAJORITY SAID JOE ACTED PROPERLY AND DIDNT THINK HE SHOULD RESIGN!


This has to take the "cake" for the most "moronic" post of the year.

Ever hear of the chain of command? It might even be in a rules book they hand out that "improprieties" are to be reported to the person in charge. While the grad assistant did the WRONG thing he was probably afraid of losing his job. What happened to Nixon during Watergate when the public found out he knew? What happened to Jim Tressel?

Why don't they take a national poll and exclude residents of Pennsylvania? It would probably be 90% in favor of Paterno resigning.

[Casino]

This has to take the "cake" for the most "moronic" post of the year.

Ever hear of the chain of command? It might even be in a rules book they hand out that "improprieties" are to be reported to the person in charge. While the grad assistant did the WRONG thing he was probably afraid of losing his job. What happened to Nixon during Watergate when the public found out he knew? What happened to Jim Tressel?

Why don't they take a national poll and exclude residents of Pennsylvania? It would probably be 90% in favor of Paterno resigning.

I live in Florida,Joe Pa wouldve been in handcuffs,its a law if not reported to the police and you are aware of the crime(they dont mess with child abuse in Fl)you are to be arrested period.This was a sexual assualt of a minor screw the AD this is reported to the police.Did Joe PA even follow up with the AD?

[llegend39]

This has to take the "cake" for the most "moronic" post of the year.

Ever hear of the chain of command? It might even be in a rules book they hand out that "improprieties" are to be reported to the person in charge. While the grad assistant did the WRONG thing he was probably afraid of losing his job. What happened to Nixon during Watergate when the public found out he knew? What happened to Jim Tressel?

Why don't they take a national poll and exclude residents of Pennsylvania? It would probably be 90% in favor of Paterno resigning.

Thanks u a-hole Whos the moron?
THE PA AG says he followed the chain command and DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSE TO DO HEs NOT EVEN A TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION
JOE HAS HS OWN CONSCIOUS AND WE ARENT THE PC/MORAL POLICE
I think the people actually on campus who are directly affected and know Joe
represent a better poll then asking whole state And the University heads are all that matters anyway

[ArlJim78]

what a shocker! a local campus poll supports Paterno. gimme a break


Has there ever been a higher fall from grace as this? In my lifetime Joe Pa and the PSU program have always been the gold standard in college sports. What a stain on his legacy and for the school.

[Canarsie]

Thanks u a-hole Whos the moron?
THE PA AG says he followed the chain command and DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSE TO DO HEs NOT EVEN A TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION
JOE HAS HS OWN CONSCIOUS AND WE ARENT THE PC/MORAL POLICE
I think the people actually on campus who are directly affected and know Joe
represent a better poll then asking whole state And the University heads are all that matters anyway

I hate to tell you this but national public opinion does count it's past groundhog day come out of your burrow.

What was he supposed to do? What any decent person would do if this was reported to them. Make 100% sure it is going to be INVESTIGATED!!!

I sure hope you don't have any kids thinking the way you do.

I noticed you conveniently didn't respond about Nixon and Tressel guess the standards for Joe are far DIFFERENT.

How many people on campus actually know Joe? I'm certainly glad I don't he's not the type of person to look up to. After all it's all about the WINS isn't it? Never mind you have someone of your staff who is a child molester and you have KNOWLEDGE of it.

Does this opinion count it comes from Pennsylvania?

Police: Paterno didn't do enough

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Police-say-Joe-Paterno-didnt-do-enough-to-stop-sexual-abuse-scandal-110711

We know there is a difference between moral and legal guilt,” she said. “We’re dealing with legal issues.”

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_paterno_not_regarded_target110711

[llegend39]

But what about the spirit of the law?

If McQueary, a former football player, saw Sandusky having sex with a 10-year-old in a shower at the Lasch Football Building at Penn State, forget about running to the head football coach. How about throwing Sandusky up against the wall and banging him around a little bit, then calling the police?

Were they worried about chain of command at Penn State, or these children?

The assistant actually broke the law Under a PA statute if you see a crime involving a minor,you're suppose to call the police-not your boss,superior etc
Failure to report it to proper authorities is a crime
And as far as Canarsie's argument about the grad assistant worried about losing his job-come on whats more important his job or the kid? He could of got another job,the 10 year old cant get his life back

[badcompany]

As I said before, this is just the tip. You really think the 8 kids named are the only ones this sicko molested/raped? Other stories will begin to surface, and who knows what Paterno really knew about this guy?

Paterno's legacy is toast and so is Penn State's rep.

[cj's dad]

Paterno's lack of involvement is tantamount to aiding and abetting a crime. He is well aware of his importance on the PSU campus. I am sure that had he gone to the campus police, the issue would have been brought to rest fairly quickly.

In short:

Joe must go.

[Casino]

I hate to tell you this but national public opinion does count it's past groundhog day come out of your burrow.

What was he supposed to do? What any decent person would do if this was reported to them. Make 100% sure it is going to be INVESTIGATED!!!

I sure hope you don't have any kids thinking the way you do.

I noticed you conveniently didn't respond about Nixon and Tressel guess the standards for Joe are far DIFFERENT.

How many people on campus actually know Joe? I'm certainly glad I don't he's not the type of person to look up to. After all it's all about the WINS isn't it? Never mind you have someone of your staff who is a child molester and you have KNOWLEDGE of it.

Does this opinion count it comes from Pennsylvania?

Police: Paterno didn't do enough

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Police-say-Joe-Paterno-didnt-do-enough-to-stop-sexual-abuse-scandal-110711

We know there is a difference between moral and legal guilt,” she said. “We’re dealing with legal issues.”

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_paterno_not_regarded_target110711

After knowing what happen in 2002 from the info he recieved form his recievers coach(Mcquery)(he witnessed the kid in the bathroom getting raped) Sandusky was allowed on campus at pratice with kids from his foundation,Paterno knew and didnt report it to police,We are not talking about ahtletes taking money,and different report of command changes when child sexual assualt is involved throw Joe PA in the can and let big papa take care of his ass,along with rest of the aholes involved in the cover up.

[Canarsie]

But what about the spirit of the law?

And as far as Canarsie's argument about the grad assistant worried about losing his job-come on whats more important his job or the kid? He could of got another job,the 10 year old cant get his life back

Aren't you being selective in what I posted? Let me refresh your memory if I may.

While the grad assistant did the WRONG thing he was probably afraid of losing his job.

Did I not say he was wrong in capitol letters?

Now I'm going to fire away it's become open season. Let me start with this.



It's called child molestation everybody involved is GUILTY.

Somebody on the radio had to go to a commercial break this morning stating "I feel like throwing up my kid is 12".


"It is a case about children who have had their innocence stolen from them, in a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others," he said.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16017251/police-official-paterno-didnt-do-enough-to-stop-abuse


The true horror is a reality that remains too raw and disturbing for many of us to confront. Child abusers are not the shadowy bogeymen who lurk where most of us would never tread, waiting to grab unsuspecting strangers as they pass. The vast majority of child sex abuse cases involve a trusted adult, very often a relative, close family friend or another authority figure.

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11312/1188192-192.stm


For Penn State the case is about ethics and the moral responsibility of the university, not simply criminal or civil legal culpability. For a university with the confidence in those moral and ethical dimensions to give its athletic program the motto "Success with honor," honor should be the easy and most consistent part.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/psu-owes-some-answers-1.1229088


Paterno Losing Public Opinion Battle

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/paterno-losing-public-opinion-battle/

patriot News Pennsylvania

OUR VIEW: Penn State's Graham Spanier, Joe Paterno need to leave as result of Jerry Sandusky case. Doing what the law required wasn't enough

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/our_view.html

Centre County judge declares missing prosecutor Ray Gricar dead after 6 years of mystery

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/07/post_221.html

Missing hard drive and laptop I'm not saying anything but it should be investigated by the FBI who have the resources to do it thoroughly most times.

[Grits]

Stop replying until you read the 23 page indictment. Here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html

This is the first time I've ever read a grand jury indictment that included anything like this. The graphically detailed testimony of the repeated sodomizing and raping of children--boys as young as age 10. All done by a grown man. A manipulitive, controlling, predatory bastard disquised as a coach, a caregiver for wayward, needy children. Often in the foster care system.

Reading 23 pages, learning that this went on for so long, and nothing was done by anyone. No one followed the law, nor did they care to. When the law is written to protect children from horrors like this one. The sports program at Penn State, far more important to everyone than the children were.

In reading, there's one thing I now know beyond a shadow of doubt. I don't care how it sounds, I don't care how its received--coming from a woman. If this man harmed my innocent son . . . if he violated him, in the way he did these victims, I'd kill him. I'd go to prison for the rest of my life, but I know, I'd kill him.

:( I should not have read this. These poor innocent children.:(

[cj's dad]

The press conference has been canceled. Word is that JP is stepping down.

[Valuist]

And the pedophile was still allowed to use the Penn St facilities after this? They are really sick. This is a problem in a society where people will address a coach as "Coach Smith or Coach Jones", as if they are a doctor or a clergyman.

[Casino]

And the pedophile was still allowed to use the Penn St facilities after this? They are really sick. This is a problem in a society where people will address a coach as "Coach Smith or Coach Jones", as if they are a doctor or a clergyman.

Hes married:bang: :bang: he was bringing boys down to his basement,WTF his wife didnt know any of this was going on?

[badcompany]

There was a 1998 report filed by Penn State Police. So, Paterno's story about first finding out about Sandusky in 2002 was a lie.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html
"Two months ago, state police at Rockview in Centre County began calling witnesses to a May 1998 report by Penn State University police detailing an earlier allegation of inappropriate contact against Sandusky by another boy. "

[Valuist]

Just heard another theory: Penn State was protecting Sandusky because he had recruiting dirt on them. That would be horrific; choosing to protect a pedophile so recruiting infractions would not be levied against them.

What is the delay? Fire all their asses now.

[Casino]

Just heard another theory: Penn State was protecting Sandusky because he had recruiting dirt on them. That would be horrific; choosing to protect a pedophile so recruiting infractions would not be levied against them.

What is the delay? Fire all their asses now.

fire there asses put them in jail with big bubba,

the DA of the case is running for governor of the state of Penn,this is her shining moment,how ironic how this news is breaking right around elections.

[Grits]

Hes married:bang: :bang: he was bringing boys down to his basement,WTF his wife didnt know any of this was going on?

A finished basement bedroom no less. The explanation will be interesting regarding HOW, for this many years, this wife did not know of her husband's sexual deviance involving young boys, going on under her own roof.

Sandusky gets out of the bed in the middle of the night, again and again. She sleeps through it all, for years? She never wakes up, she never gets out of the bed, goes to the den or the kitchen, finds he's in neither room? She doesn't wonder, "well, what's going on? Where'd he go?

. . . Call his name? "Jerry, where are you, are you alright?"

She knows the child is their guest, her husband brought him home for dinner and to spend the night with them for God's sake.

NO woman is this stupid, gentlemen. I'm serious, NO woman on earth is this stupid. There are, though, some who will turn a blind eye because they don't want their nice and comfortable lifestyle to be knocked off its foundation. Still, no one can claim a lack of knowledge of something this physically and mentally heinous.

[iceknight]

News about the grand jury investigation became public in March 2011, when it was already 18 months old. However, Sandusky had access to campus (Football locker rooms) even as late as last week (in Oct 2011).

What is worse is Sandusky's book's title. Yuck.

"In his 2000 autobiography, “Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story,” he says he decided to leave after he “came to the realization I was not destined to become the head football coach at Penn State."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html

[PhantomOnTour]

I suspect Sandusky will soon try to take his own life.
I hope he is unsuccessful so that he may face justice.

Disgusting

[Rookies]

Being married to a woman from N.E. Pa for almost 40 years, I watched nothing BUT PSU for 30 years easily... as did all of the wife's family and all the families in the area. Her uncle graduated from engineering from PSU, her niece as well. Joe Pa was the Patron Saint of these people and I remember Sandusky prominently on the sidelines during every game and Bowl appearance.

I am told that due to the enormous financial influence of the football team, Joe Pa had a bigger house than the President of the University.

Ergo...

There is no chance that Paterno was not aware of this situation and what he says... goes on that campus and has for decades. What he did was 'cut bait' here by only reporting Sandusky here, rather than taking it further to the police AND immediately firing Sandusky and expelling him from campus.

He did nothing of the sort.

I agree with Grits too. It's all downhill and where the F was Sandusky's wife here ? Foster children ? The creepy charity angle with young kids, too ?

IMHO, people like Sandusky should get the DEATH PENALTY, IF THEY ARE FORTUNATE! :mad: :ThmbDown:

Believe me, I was cheering and raising a glass when that bastard Catholic priest from Beantown was shivved in prison when they finally caught up to him decades later.

And the rich & powerful that protected Sandusky at PSU- including Paterno ? Shouldn't last 24 hours.

ALL should go, immediately!:mad:

[judd]

I suspect Sandusky will soon try to take his own life.
I hope he is unsuccessful so that he may face justice.

Disgusting

put him in prison, the big black dudes will take care of him

[Hanover1]

When several young men begin to lawyer up, PSU can start printing I.O.U.vouchers by the dozens. Everyone, EVERYONE, all the way to the top, needs replaced ASAP. The whole faculty involved. This is gonna cost tens of millions, and rightly so. Paterno failed bigtime, and so did his boss, and so on and so on. University Prez needs to go as well....ALL OF THEM. You can't replace the stolen lives of anyone here.....

[JustRalph]

put him in prison, the big black dudes will take care of him

How quaint a notion. You almost speak in caricature

[Canarsie]

When several young men begin to lawyer up, PSU can start printing I.O.U.vouchers by the dozens. Everyone, EVERYONE, all the way to the top, needs replaced ASAP. The whole faculty involved. This is gonna cost tens of millions, and rightly so. Paterno failed bigtime, and so did his boss, and so on and so on. University Prez needs to go as well....ALL OF THEM. You can't replace the stolen lives of anyone here.....

I'm glad you changed your "tune" I give you props for doing so.

One caller on a radio station had a hard core idea that hasn't been discussed. he said "they should give up the football program".

It's food for though I never considered that. It might be a bit harsh but in actuality it may be the only way to regain some "respect".

[cj's dad]

I'm glad you changed your "tune" I give you props for doing so.

One caller on a radio station had a hard core idea that hasn't been discussed. he said "they should give up the football program".

It's food for though I never considered that. It might be a bit harsh but in actuality it may be the only way to regain some "respect".

I was just talking about this a few minutes ago with some friends. The "right" thing to do would be to cancel the rest of the year, though that will NEVER happen.

[Rookies]

I was just talking about this a few minutes ago with some friends. The "right" thing to do would be to cancel the rest of the year, though that will NEVER happen.

EXCELLENT idea, D! :ThmbUp:

At least, as far from the PSU side... doesn't balance the ledger in any way, shape or form, however.

[cj's dad]

EXCELLENT idea, D! :ThmbUp:

At least, as far from the PSU side... doesn't balance the ledger in any way, shape or form, however.

If this program is to ever recover from this, the first step had better be a big one.

[Valuist]

I was just talking about this a few minutes ago with some friends. The "right" thing to do would be to cancel the rest of the year, though that will NEVER happen.

I agree. The damage control has been non-existant so far. I can't imagine Paterno is still the head coach by the end of the week.

If not the regular season definitely cancel any bowl appearance.

[Grits]

Students have gathered outside of Coach Paterno's home all afternoon in support of him. (Good luck with this, and the same, wherever else they choose to gather.)

Meanwhile Sandusky's hearing that was scheduled for tomorrow/Wednesday has now been put off until December 7th.

Wonder what the reason for the delay could be?

[Rookies]

Meanwhile Sandusky's hearing that was scheduled for tomorrow/Wednesday has now been put off until December 7th.

Wonder what the reason for the delay could be?

Uhhhhh...

1) NO 12= Nebraska;
2) NO 19 @ OSU
3) N0 26 @ Wisconsin

END OF SEASON...

[bigmack]

P State taking a play from the The Catholic Book of Handling Pedophilia.

How many Bishops or Priests faced consequences of knowing full well what was happening for decades and doing NOTHING? How 'bout none?

[Rookies]

http://www.timesleader.com/news/NYT-Report-Board-of-trustees-readying-to-oust-JoePa.html

Be surprised if he lasted until Friday.

[JustRalph]

I spoke with a party this morning who has a kid at Penn State (1st year) . There are kids talking about transferring ? Rumor's that many football players are talking about moving.........?

[badcompany]

I spoke with a party this morning who has a kid at Penn State (1st year) . There are kids talking about transferring ? Rumor's that many football players are talking about moving.........?

Can't say I blame them.

When this thing runs its course, the school's rep will be severely damaged. The kids who are there, now, will be tarnished with a broad brush for something that isn't at all their fault.

[newtothegame]

Absolutely terrible situation there at Happy valley.
EVERYONE with ANY knowledge needs to be gone immediately from the college.
Only area I slightly disagree with most here is the football program. Those young men didnt commit a crime. Why take away their football season? Now I do understand from the college standpoint as that is a major source of funds for them. So let the NCAA step in and take ALL revenue and (not that it will help in the least from a traumatic standpoint) but give it to the court system so it can at least go the the vicxtims in this. Point being, Penn State should in NO way benefit from any games. But, I would not take away the football program as the kids who are on that team didnt do anything wrong. I would let them finish the season and then go from there. Immediate interim coaching staff.
My heart goes out to those victims in this.
And Joe Pa......DONE. Not that my opinion matters, but lost all respect for him with this news!

[PaceAdvantage]

put him in prison, the big black dudes will take care of himWhat the f**k is wrong with you?

Normally, I'd remove shit like this, but I think I'll leave this up so everyone can see your true colors.

[judd]

let me rephrase-put him in prison, dont think he will enjoy the showers this time

[Grits]

All I can see, all I can hear, is what the night janitor witnessed, what he told his supervisor he saw. The smallest child, with has hands above him, up against the wall of a shower. The slapping sound.

These poor, poor children, now young men, they will never, ever get over this.:(:(:(

[Canarsie]

I was just talking about this a few minutes ago with some friends. The "right" thing to do would be to cancel the rest of the year, though that will NEVER happen.

Your far smarter than me that's why I mentioned the radio. Don't think I could have come up with this on my own never really thought of sports ramifications. One thing I believe in is giving appropriate props when I hear or read something.

[Canarsie]

Absolutely terrible situation there at Happy valley.
EVERYONE with ANY knowledge needs to be gone immediately from the college.
Only area I slightly disagree with most here is the football program. Those young men didnt commit a crime. Why take away their football season? Now I do understand from the college standpoint as that is a major source of funds for them. So let the NCAA step in and take ALL revenue and (not that it will help in the least from a traumatic standpoint) but give it to the court system so it can at least go the the vicxtims in this. Point being, Penn State should in NO way benefit from any games. But, I would not take away the football program as the kids who are on that team didnt do anything wrong. I would let them finish the season and then go from there. Immediate interim coaching staff.
My heart goes out to those victims in this.
And Joe Pa......DONE. Not that my opinion matters, but lost all respect for him with this news!

This is a very valid point not one athlete on the team had anything to do with this but then again this is a scandal of "epic" magnitude.

For once the NCAA could do the right thing here if they cancel football. Guarantee scholarships for every player for up to six years because some get redshirted. Penn State should have to pay for this in my opinion. Give players the "option" of transferring without a waiting period to play for another school in any sport.

Can you imagine when a young adult (athlete or non athlete) is asked a simple question like "where did you go to school"? and he or she answers Penn State. While they did absolutely nothing wrong the look on the persons face asking the question will probably be very painful for decades to come.

[Canarsie]

In reading, there's one thing I now know beyond a shadow of doubt. I don't care how it sounds, I don't care how its received--coming from a woman. If this man harmed my innocent son . . . if he violated him, in the way he did these victims, I'd kill him. I'd go to prison for the rest of my life, but I know, I'd kill him.

:( I should not have read this. These poor innocent children.:(

Grits I''m certain 99% of America feels exactly the same way you do.

There isn't a jury comprised of twelve individuals anywhere in this country that would convict you. A big THANK YOU for saying exactly what most people would do.

[Rookies]

Grits I''m certain 99% of America feels exactly the same way you do.

There isn't a jury comprised of twelve individuals anywhere in this country that would convict you. A big THANK YOU for saying exactly what most people would do.

As Grits and I share a common situation, I certainly have read her view and sympathize. I'd simply rather not post mine; even in the unlikely eventuality that my statement would come back to me.

On second thought, I'd personally send that person straight to hell if it ever happened to my son.

[llegend39]

Being reported on various news outlets that Joe Pa will continue as coach thru the end of the year and then retire

[cj]

Being reported on various news outlets that Joe Pa will continue as coach thru the end of the year and then retire

He should not be given that option. That is just sad. He covered up for a child molester. That is the end of the story.

[rastajenk]

Uhhhhh...

1) NO 12= Nebraska;
2) NO 19 @ OSU
3) N0 26 @ Wisconsin

END OF SEASON...You missed one. The inaugural Big 10 + 2 championship game is the following week...Dec 3, I guess. And as the Nits are in first place in their division, albeit with some tough games to go, they could be in a position to play on.

[lamboguy]

paterno just announced he is retiring at the end of this season. kind of a rotten scandal for this great man to leave his legacy.

[ArlJim78]

Disgraceful, he should resign immediately.

[ArlJim78]

paterno just announced he is retiring at the end of this season. kind of a rotten scandal for this great man to leave his legacy.
great man? not anymore.
what he allowed to go on far overshadows his football career achievements.

[elysiantraveller]

He should coach thru Saturday and step down on Sunday.

[lamboguy]

great man? not anymore.
what he allowed to go on far overshadows his football career achievements.
you are right

[thaskalos]

Being reported on various news outlets that Joe Pa will continue as coach thru the end of the year and then retire
This shows where the priorities lie in these "learning" institutions...

"Paterno did his part by telling his 'boss'..."

Joe Paterno has a boss in name only!

HE was the man most capable of putting a stop to this, and instead, chose to turn his back on it...refusing to protect innocent children from a sexual predator who was allowed to roam free in the campus for years to come.

When you are called upon to help children in situations such as this, and you fail to do so...leaving the children helpless in the hands of the worst of men...you are not an "educator", you are not a "coach"...you don't even qualify to be called a "human being"...

Penn State is looking to protect a man, who wouldn't protect 10-year old children from a child rapist...

Disgusting...

[cj]

This shows where the priorities lie in these "learning" institutions...

Paterno did his part by telling his "boss"...

Joe Paterno has a boss in name only!

He was the man most capable of putting a stop to this, and instead, chose to turn his back on it...refusing to protect innocent children from a sexual predator who was allowed to roam free in the campus for years to come.

When you are called upon to help children in situations such as this, and you fail to do so...leaving the children helpless in the hands of the worst of men...you are not an "educator", you are not a "coach"...you don't even qualify to be called a human being...

Penn State is looking to protect a man, who wouldn't protect 10-year old children from a child rapist...

Pathetic...

I agree with all of this.

However, this is what Paterno has announced. The school has not yet decided I don't believe. I think he is playing that card hoping it will be enough. It shows like many in positions of power, Paterno thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants.

[Ocala Mike]

Where is the NCAA in all of this? They should be conducting an immediate, full-scale investigation of the entire Penn State program. Death penalty,anyone?


Ocala Mike

[llegend39]

Holtz was interviewed on ESPN this morning and when asked if Joe should be allowed to coach on Saturday he replied:
Yes It is his job to coach It is his responsibility to coach He has a responsibility to his team, the fans, and the university. They are in the middle of a championship season.

[elysiantraveller]

This shows where the priorities lie in these "learning" institutions...

"Paterno did his part by telling his 'boss'..."

Joe Paterno has a boss in name only!

HE was the man most capable of putting a stop to this, and instead, chose to turn his back on it...refusing to protect innocent children from a sexual predator who was allowed to roam free in the campus for years to come.

When you are called upon to help children in situations such as this, and you fail to do so...leaving the children helpless in the hands of the worst of men...you are not an "educator", you are not a "coach"...you don't even qualify to be called a "human being"...

Penn State is looking to protect a man, who wouldn't protect 10-year old children from a child rapist...

Disgusting...

Mike McQueary is a pretty big dude... I would say he was the man most capable of putting a stop to it.

The fact is the whole thing is f%^*ing sad... it only took one person, one voice, to be a hero and no one stepped up....

Like I said above they should be allowed to coach their seniors on Saturday and have their keys taken away from them when they leave... all of them.

[cj's dad]

Penn State University is a total disgrace. To allow this man to complete this season is absolutely disgusting.

And to the PSU students who rallied in SUPPORT OF JP outside of his home yesterday evening, may you all go to hell.

[elysiantraveller]

Penn State University is a total disgrace. To allow this man to complete this season is absolutely disgusting.

And to the PSU students who rallied in SUPPORT OF JP outside of his home yesterday evening, may you all go to hell.

The Board of Trustees is still in talks. His announcement was a solo move on his part but he may be gone by the end of the day who knows.

[cj's dad]

dJvWaady_Ys

Disgusting !

[Canarsie]

He should coach thru Saturday and step down on Sunday.

Why? Again props I heard this on the radio. Is there any reason one of the children and families should be subjected to seeing his face on national television even one more week? I don't want to hear they can turn the channel that's not the point.


Today a 46 year old caller was talking how it happened to him and how it has ruined his life. You could tell it was legitimate tears were coming to my eyes and as soon as he hung up the host said "we need to go break NOW". You could tell that he was affected too and he's a professional.

Nobody should even attend a press conference of his it will be all "propaganda".

[Canarsie]

Holtz was interviewed on ESPN this morning and when asked if Joe should be allowed to coach on Saturday he replied:
Yes It is his job to coach It is his responsibility to coach He has a responsibility to his team, the fans, and the university. They are in the middle of a championship season.

It is his responsibility to the university and residents of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.


Holtz comments sickens me (if true) even if thye were friends for probably 40 years minimum. Why didn't somebody ask him "what would you want to do with Paterno if this was one of your grandchildren god forbid". I guarantee the answer would be entirely different.

[badcompany]

Mike McQueary is a pretty big dude... I would say he was the man most capable of putting a stop to it.

The fact is the whole thing is f%^*ing sad... it only took one person, one voice, to be a hero and no one stepped up....

Like I said above they should be allowed to coach their seniors on Saturday and have their keys taken away from them when they leave... all of them.

The rest of Penn State's season should be cancelled, immediately.

Sure, it sucks for the players, but, too bad. This is a major scandal that is just beginning to unfold, and it directly involves the wide receivers coach and the head coach.

[toussaud]

m actually kinda sympathetic for the Grad Assistant. I knowing everyone says they would do X to the dude raping the child, but realistically put yourself in the dudes shoes. you are a Grad Assistant, an aspiring coach. you walk in the shower and see your boss and a man you have known your entire life, raping a child.

of course, no one wants you to be raping the child but at the same time, as much as everyone bitches, the avg person, and i know this form experience, is going to look out for number 1 before antyhing else.

so what does he do? he tells the bosses boss what he saw. he probably figures at that point, swift and decisive action will be taken, and he still has a career. I mean, you have to figure everyone is pretty much anti child rape right? surely someone who has more clought can do something with this and can stand up to him, and it's not like he wasn't butt ****ing the kid or anything.

so a month later, WTF do you do when you find out that no one seems to give a **** if the child was raped or not?


everyone is quick to say they would do this or do that, but keep in mind, going against a man with that type of background and persistence, is tantamount to putting a scarlet letter on your head.


I mean, as a young man, it's not like he turned a blind eye to the situation, he tried, but he did so in a way that made sure he still had a career.


Had any higher up at penn state had any balls, he would not be a scapegoat

[Grits]

The language of your post and your opinion are, both, disgusting. Or is it, simply, that you're this stupid?

If you truly believe the average person (in this case, another male) who would witness such a horror as this would be concerned about looking out only for himself, you are sadly mistaken.

Every man I can call a friend . . . had they walked into that locker room and seen what this man was doing to a 10 year old child? :(

Without thought--moving on pure rage and gut instinct, most would've gotten the child out of the way, and turned to beat this sorry SOB to a pulp. He wouldn't have been able to lift his common, sorry, predatory self off the tile floor. This is what a coma does--it renders one, still and lifeless, for a good, long while. Sometimes, one NEVER recovers. Which would've, indeed, been fortunate for this man's victims.

Its a real shame what your experience has been.

of course, no one wants you to be raping the child but at the same time, as much as everyone bitches, the avg person, and i know this form experience, is going to look out for number 1 before antyhing else.

so what does he do? he tells the bosses boss what he saw. he probably figures at that point, swift and decisive action will be taken, and he still has a career. I mean, you have to figure everyone is pretty much anti child rape right? surely someone who has more clought can do something with this and can stand up to him, and it's not like he wasn't butt ****ing the kid or anything.

so a month later, WTF do you do when you find out that no one seems to give a **** if the child was raped or not?

[Canarsie]

I would like to ask one question.

If you were walking in a public park and saw this going on in the bushes or wherever you could actually see it what would you do? The only hesitation I MIGHT have would be to call 911 and then do whatever is in my power to stop such a heinous act.

Everybody who knew about this even third hand is GUILTY as sin. No one should be ABSOLVED.

[melman]

While I agree with Grits and Canarsie and am just as upset and mad about this lets be real. There are many many cases of a woman being beaten and raped in a public area and NO ONE did anything. Not even a call to the police. I think one of the most famous or infamous of these was the one in New York known as the Kitty Genovese case. Well over twenty people had to hear her screams for help and the beating and sex act being done on her. And yes even with a child in a public park it can go unreported. My longtime neighbor was the locaL chief of police and he told me that that exact thing happens far more often than people would like to think. Let me be clear I DO NOT condone the "do nothings" but it does happen and far to often. It is also estimated by groups that should know that for every ONE case of child abuse there are TEN that go unreported. I do not know the number of cases that the abuse took the form of a child rape. Also in some locations there is a "don't snitch" to the police. No matter what the crime. I am in NO WAY defending anyone at Penn State when I say this. It is a crying shame but far to many people will say "I don't want to get involved".

[toussaud]

The language of your post and your opinion are, both, disgusting. Or is it, simply, that you're this stupid?

If you truly believe the average person (in this case, another male) who would witness such a horror as this would be concerned about looking out only for himself, you are sadly mistaken.

Every man I can call a friend . . . had they walked into that locker room and seen what this man was doing to a 10 year old child? :(

Without thought--moving on pure rage and gut instinct, most would've gotten the child out of the way, and turned to beat this sorry SOB to a pulp. He wouldn't have been able to lift his common, sorry, predatory self off the tile floor. This is what a coma does--it renders one, still and lifeless, for a good, long while. Sometimes, one NEVER recovers. Which would've, indeed, been fortunate for this man's victims.

Its a real shame what your experience has been.
Every man I can call a friend . . . had they walked into that locker room and seen what this man was doing to a 10 year old child? :(


this was not his just his boss. this want t just a pillar of the society in happy valley. this was a man who he has known his entire life, he walked in raping a 10 year old child. Yes I believe very many people will do the exact same thing he did in that exact same situation under those exact same circumstances.

I don't think what he did.. let me rephrase this. of course the obvious thing to do is to get it to stop. but I understand why he did what he did under the circumstances. and had someone above him taken action we wouldn't' be here now.


While I agree with Grits and Canarsie and am just as upset and mad about this lets be real. There are many many cases of a woman being beaten and raped in a public area and NO ONE did anything. Not even a call to the police. I think one of the most famous or infamous of these was the one in New York known as the Kitty Genovese case. Well over twenty people had to hear her screams for help and the beating and sex act being done on her. And yes even with a child in a public park it can go unreported. My longtime neighbor was the locaL chief of police and he told me that that exact thing happens far more often than people would like to think. Let me be clear I DO NOT condone the "do nothings" but it does happen and far to often. It is also estimated by groups that should know that for every ONE case of child abuse there are TEN that go unreported. I do not know the number of cases that the abuse took the form of a child rape. Also in some locations there is a "don't snitch" to the police. No matter what the crime. I am in NO WAY defending anyone at Penn State when I say this. It is a crying shame but far to many people will say "I don't want to get involved".


"While I agree, in this instance, I don't think he was "doing nothing" because he didn't care, I'm just being brutally honest about the fact that he was a 28 year old graduate assistant looking for a promotion (a grad assistant and only be such for 2 years), and going straight up against the word against your boss and one of the most famous men in the state of Pennsylvania, is tantamount to career suicide. this isn't law and order where the witness always does the right thing regardless of the personal consequences. A man who obviously and like most want to strive to do the right thing while at the same time protecting his career at the same time.

Also, hell, the guy was basically eavesdropped on earlier and basically admitted on the phone that he was taking showers with boys and hugging them in the shower and wouldn't even agree to not doing it anymore, and this guy is supposed to just go tell the cops guns blazing like that's going to solve everything and everyone is going to believe him against the man that built penn state defenses for the last 40 years.

I believe, well, i Mean i wish he would have stopped it obviously but calling the cops at that very moment I don't agree with per say. It think he should have stopped it and took the boy and took him home with him and got him out of harm. but I think he made the correct assessment to get paterno involved because Paterno had enough clout to get something done if it was true (and it was). I'm sure he figured, like all sane people do,t that paterno would have launched in investigation, found out that he did in fact rape the child, then with the full weight of penn state, gone after the guy, which would have been more than a phone call after "seeing someone in an compromised position" could have ever brought.

[ArlJim78]

Okay but it's different being a passerby type of witness in public, and thinking to not get involved. Maybe you're in fear for your own safety so you choose to look the other way and not say anything.

But in this case it was a place of work, a school where you have everyday type relations with these people for years, all the while doing nothing? I don't think so.

[cj's dad]

What an arrogant POS bastard Paterno is. He TELLS the university that HE will step down at the end of the season.

Go to hell Joe, it's not your call; how dare you dictate when you will leave.

May those innocent young children and their families bury PSU in lawsuits that last for years and cost the university a small fortune, And, BTW, where is the Univ. on this? Strangely silent, to say the least.

And those piece of shit students chanting outside his home last night ? GO TO HELL.

And JP saying "Let's beat Nebraska" R U kidding me ?

[toussaud]

about what.. maybe 2 years ago now.. i had a late night craving for some taco bell, and i was leaving a friends house, who didn't stay in the best of neighborhoods,. and stopped by the taco bell/KFC, right as this group of guys had taken this dude out of KFC and started beating the living crap out of him. he was getting beat bad. very bad/.

I was not stupid enough to try to stop it but i did call 911.

But in this case it was a place of work, a school where you have everyday type relations with these people for years, all the while doing nothing? I don't think so.

I mean, what is he, realistic sly supposed to do? what is he supposed to do that the children families have not already done? it's not like he has never been investigated by anyone. that's part of the problem. the man was the pedophile telfon don. the man had been going around messing with kids for years, been questioned by the police, wired, spyed on, caught in the act, and no one ever did antyihng beucase he was a super awseome defensive coach.



an interesting side note, one of the 2 guys that interviewed him in 98 when he was caught having a shower with a boy, was found dead, an apparent "suicide" and his laptop and hard drive were found in 2 different places. things that make you go humm.


and this guy is just supposed to come out gung ho. I really don't get all the blame for the guy

[cj's dad]

The arrogance continues. Now JP is telling the Board of Trustees what to do.

"At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can."
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-11-09/joe-paterno-statement-on-retirement#ixzz1dFiKrzX9

[Canarsie]

While I agree with Grits and Canarsie and am just as upset and mad about this lets be real. There are many many cases of a woman being beaten and raped in a public area and NO ONE did anything. Not even a call to the police. I think one of the most famous or infamous of these was the one in New York known as the Kitty Genovese case. Well over twenty people had to hear her screams for help and the beating and sex act being done on her. And yes even with a child in a public park it can go unreported. My longtime neighbor was the locaL chief of police and he told me that that exact thing happens far more often than people would like to think. Let me be clear I DO NOT condone the "do nothings" but it does happen and far to often. It is also estimated by groups that should know that for every ONE case of child abuse there are TEN that go unreported. I do not know the number of cases that the abuse took the form of a child rape. Also in some locations there is a "don't snitch" to the police. No matter what the crime. I am in NO WAY defending anyone at Penn State when I say this. It is a crying shame but far to many people will say "I don't want to get involved".

I was a NYC resident when the Kitty Genovese attacked happened but fairly young. It was basically sensationalized by the many newspapers that were still around in 1964. Here's a link to what really happened almost everybody knows a newspaper makes a retraction on page sixty five or thereabouts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

I will agree that most go unreported but it's also a different era now. Almost anything a person does can be photographed with a phone. It's really hard to get a free pass anymore.

It's a more open society now making it easier for people to come forward with information. When this goes to trial it might have coverup implications similar to Watergate just on a smaller scale.

[melman]

ArlJim---At a middle school (grades 7 thru 9) less than 3 miles from my home an asst principal was finally arrested and taken off to jail. He had child porn on boh his school computer (not the one owned by the school but his own that he had brought in) in addition he had invited young boys to his home for "extra work" on weekends. He was finally turned in by the parents of a young boy who had told them about this. It was estimated that this had been going on for years. At a middle school. Please believe me I do not condone such things. I think the Penn State president and Joe Paterno should resign or be fired. My point is this does happen far to often. Do you think that the other teachers at that middle school had no idea concerning that asst principal?

[newtothegame]

about what.. maybe 2 years ago now.. i had a late night craving for some taco bell, and i was leaving a friends house, who didn't stay in the best of neighborhoods,. and stopped by the taco bell/KFC, right as this group of guys had taken this dude out of KFC and started beating the living crap out of him. he was getting beat bad. very bad/.

I was not stupid enough to try to stop it but i did call 911.



I mean, what is he, realistic sly supposed to do? what is he supposed to do that the children families have not already done? it's not like he has never been investigated by anyone. that's part of the problem. the man was the pedophile telfon don. the man had been going around messing with kids for years, been questioned by the police, wired, spyed on, caught in the act, and no one ever did antyihng beucase he was a super awseome defensive coach.



an interesting side note, one of the 2 guys that interviewed him in 98 when he was caught having a shower with a boy, was found dead, an apparent "suicide" and his laptop and hard drive were found in 2 different places. things that make you go humm.


and this guy is just supposed to come out gung ho. I really don't get all the blame for the guy

BIG DIFFERENCE...you said you called 911...where did the grad assistance call the authorities?

[toussaud]

Yes it is a big difference between the situation, and the exact circumstance. me calling 911 in the comfort of my car while 1 block away from the scene of a crime where i know neither party is 100% different from telling the man that you worshiped your entire life and so has everyone else, is messing with little boys, and then when you find out that everyone basically know hes messing with little boys, including the police and no one is doing anything about it

[Canarsie]

ArlJim---At a middle school (grades 7 thru 9) less than 3 miles from my home an asst principal was finally arrested and taken off to jail. He had child porn on boh his school computer (not the one owned by the school but his own that he had brought in) in addition he had invited young boys to his home for "extra work" on weekends. He was finally turned in by the parents of a young boy who had told them about this. It was estimated that this had been going on for years. At a middle school. Please believe me I do not condone such things. I think the Penn State president and Joe Paterno should resign or be fired. My point is this does happen far to often. Do you think that the other teachers at that middle school had no idea concerning that asst principal?

You might be right but some could have reported him anonymously and nobody would ever no. Just because there's no press on it doesn't mean someone didn't do the right thing.

[toussaud]

About a year ago there, my 11th grade journalism teacher was arrested for sexual misconduct at school with another boy.

Now, i mean... I'm not going to lie... we all kinda knew he was not straight, just to put it out there. This was a given. But he never struck me as the pedophile type. I mean he seemed pretty normal.. just..well.. to be blunt, gay.

And it turns out he wasn't. Charges were dropped 2 months later. Story was made up by a kid trying to get back at him for something. But the damage was done, I don't think he works there anymore. Even if he could, I don't think it would be comfortable.


That's kinda the flip side to these types of stories and why even if you think yoh ave a guy dead to rights, get your facts straight, take your time, do it riht and if he's guilty nail the guy.

[toussaud]

uh oh

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-investigate-penn-states-handling-sexual-misconduct-alleg

[goforgin]

In less than a month, the Big Ten holds it's inaugural championship game in Indianapolis. The trophy, well you guessed it, the Joe 'Paterno Trophy'. Actually called the Stagg-Paterno Trophy. Too late to call the engraver? You're on the Big Ten board, general counsel, what do you do?

[toussaud]

as of like 1 mintue ago he has been fired.

[Valuist]

as of like 1 mintue ago he has been fired.

:ThmbUp:

Glad to see it

[LottaKash]

as of like 1 mintue ago he has been fired.

I think that is a good call on a man that made a bad call....

best,

[newtothegame]

About a year ago there, my 11th grade journalism teacher was arrested for sexual misconduct at school with another boy.

Now, i mean... I'm not going to lie... we all kinda knew he was not straight, just to put it out there. This was a given. But he never struck me as the pedophile type. I mean he seemed pretty normal.. just..well.. to be blunt, gay.

And it turns out he wasn't. Charges were dropped 2 months later. Story was made up by a kid trying to get back at him for something. But the damage was done, I don't think he works there anymore. Even if he could, I don't think it would be comfortable.


That's kinda the flip side to these types of stories and why even if you think yoh ave a guy dead to rights, get your facts straight, take your time, do it riht and if he's guilty nail the guy.
Not even remotely close......in the PSU case, A coach walked IN AND WITNESSED IT! There is no one tryuing to "get back at him". It's a freaking 10 year old kid!

And on another note...In my OPINION. JOE PA is responsible for EVERY KID IT HAPPENED TO AFTER HE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT and chose to only report it to school officials. Personally, I hope he can't sleep another night peacefully.
EVERY kid that this happened to by Sandusky AFTER Joe and school officials knew, should press civil charges against PSU and Joe Pa and everyone else who "knew"!

[Valuist]

Can ESPN possibly show Paterno without bringing up his win total? It is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

That would be a kin to saying, "Well Mr. Simpson, we think you killed those two people, but those 2003 rush yards were so impressive, we'll let you go."

[thaskalos]

I don't think he was "doing nothing" because he didn't care, I'm just being brutally honest about the fact that he was a 28 year old graduate assistant looking for a promotion (a grad assistant and only be such for 2 years), and going straight up against the word against your boss and one of the most famous men in the state of Pennsylvania, is tantamount to career suicide. this isn't law and order where the witness always does the right thing regardless of the personal consequences. A man who obviously and like most want to strive to do the right thing while at the same time protecting his career at the same time.

Let me see if I understand you here...

A 28 year old ex-footbal player walks into the locker room showers after hours, and sees a 10-year old child pinned up against the wall and raped by a 58 year old man -- who happens to be Jerry Sandusky...the football team's ex-defensive coordinator.

Both Sandusky and the 10-year old boy see the "graduate assistant" as he goes into the showers, and he, no doubt, gets a good look at the horrific scene unfolding in front of him.

Can you imagine the pain and anguish that must have been portrayed on the face of this child...with his arms up against the wall as he has being "attacked" as he was?

And what does this ex-football player do?

Turns his back and walks out, leaving the child exactly where he was...and goes and calls his own father -- so he can ask him what to do.

And even after "reporting" this incident, and seeing that nothing was done about it for many years, he happily accepts a job as a wide receivers coach in the same university...no doubt consulting regularly with this "monster", who was allowed to roam free and continue his "undercover" work...as if he was untouchable.

And you say that you feel sorry for this poor "graduate assistant"...who was only trying to get his career off the ground?

This is what we have to stoop to in order to advance our careers?

[newtothegame]

Let me see if I understand you here...

A 28 year old ex-footbal player walks into the locker room showers after hours, and sees a 10-year old child pinned up against the wall and raped by a 58 year old man -- who happens to be Jerry Sandusky...the football team's ex-defensive coordinator.

Both Sandusky and the 10-year old boy see the "graduate assistant" as he goes into the showers, and he, no doubt, gets a good look at the horrific scene unfolding in front of him.

Can you imagine the pain and anguish that must have been portrayed on the face of this child...with his arms up against the wall as he has being "attacked" as he was?

And what does this ex-football player do?

Turns his back and walks out, leaving the child exactly where he was...and goes and calls his own father -- so he can ask him what to do.

And even after "reporting" this incident, and seeing that nothing was done about it for many years, he happily accepts a job as a wide receivers coach in the same university...no doubt consulting regularly with this "monster", who was allowed to roam free and continue his "undercover" work...as if he was untouchable.

And you say that you feel sorry for this poor "graduate assistant"...who was only trying to get his career off the ground?

This is what we have to stoop to in order to advance our careers?

well said :ThmbUp:

[Rookies]

Before Joe Pa forced the hand of the PSU trustees tonight, he said this within his "resignation" speech:

" With the benefit of hind sight, I'd wish I done more."

Really, Joe?

With our 20-20 hindsight, could he have done anything LESS about this horrific serious of crimes?

In fact, and as further indictments and huge lawsuits against PSU will claim, did you Paterno et al simply attempt to stonewall the discovery and prevention of these crimes through their almost total silence ? Here was a guy who taught important values for decades, setting high bars for his athletes. But, with the most important life test of all, he was a sad, abject failure who appears to have been covering for his own legacy, rather than doing the only right thing!:ThmbDown:

There are so many villains here, in addition to that monster Sandusky, it's hard to add them all up. From that Grad Assistant, through Janitors, Paterno, the Athletic Director, PSU's President, it appears to be a conspiracy of silence, where virtually nobody thought to press claims with outside police sources.

I listened to American Sports Talk Radio most of the day to and from work. From Cowherd to Patrick, from Rome to the local Buffalo guys, there was a universal savaging of Paternoand his abysmal lack of decision making. Also prominent was the concept that Paterno should never get to call the resignation tune here; nor should PSU be focussed on even continuing to play football again this year.Several mentioned that this would simply be a glory day of sickening honouring of Joe Pa. And judging from the extraordinarily foolish and insensitive reactions of the student body, THAT is exactly what it shall be.

In the end, there is the vast majority of public opinion audience on one side and the smaller one (completely out of touch with the devastated and marginalized lives of the victims) at State College.

The whole thing is a titanic like disaster, without any precedent in sports history.

[toussaud]

Let me see if I understand you here...

A 28 year old ex-footbal player walks into the locker room showers after hours, and sees a 10-year old child pinned up against the wall and raped by a 58 year old man -- who happens to be Jerry Sandusky...the football team's ex-defensive coordinator.

Both Sandusky and the 10-year old boy see the "graduate assistant" as he goes into the showers, and he, no doubt, gets a good look at the horrific scene unfolding in front of him.

Can you imagine the pain and anguish that must have been portrayed on the face of this child...with his arms up against the wall as he has being "attacked" as he was?

And what does this ex-football player do?

Turns his back and walks out, leaving the child exactly where he was...and goes and calls his own father -- so he can ask him what to do.

And even after "reporting" this incident, and seeing that nothing was done about it for many years, he happily accepts a job as a wide receivers coach in the same university...no doubt consulting regularly with this "monster", who was allowed to roam free and continue his "undercover" work...as if he was untouchable.

And you say that you feel sorry for this poor "graduate assistant"...who was only trying to get his career off the ground?

This is what we have to stoop to in order to advance our careers?


also keep in mind, and this seems to be lost on everyone, that there were reports going back to 1989 about him touching boys. at least 3 of them. nothing was ever done. hell 5 years earlier on the phone he basically admitted guilt, and nothing was ever done.

the 2002 incident was the 3rd or 4th time that someone had made it known to someone in authority that he was fooling around with kids. hell one of the times came from 2 police officers.

that entire village of happy valley turned a blind eye to what went on. do not try to blame this one one guy.

hell, he tells his coach that his assistant is raping boys, and the coach doesn't even tell the guy not to come to the campus anymore. that should tell you all you need to know.


there is nothing you can do when the entire city is in on the cover up.


I do believe yes, he should have physically stopped the rape. but you guys, thinking that he should have called the police.. hell they did that 5 years ago. there was a nice circle of people in that city that knew what was going on and kept things on the hush hush for a very long time.


and do not twist my words to make it sound like i think the guy only gave a shit about himself. OF course he wanted to do the right thing, but this salutation is alot more complex than "OMG he could have stopped a rape"

t]his man was terrorizing kids for decades, well before this. and it was obviously going to take more than the word of a grad assistant tot ake him down. that's all i am trying to say. Hell 2 policeman weren't enough to take him down

[thaskalos]

If your experience is that this is understandable behavior...then you and I have lived very different lives friend...

[toussaud]

do not confuse acceptable with understandable

i did not say it was right. i said i could understand his thought process. i can easily see how he came to the conclusions that he came to, and I don't think they are wrong in the sense that he was trying to do right and at the same time, trying to help the kid.

I mean, the guys motives were obviously in the right place, he told his dad and his dad told him to tell joe pa and he did.

the only thing think he did wrong was not breaking up the rape he saw. for that i think he should, and eventually will be punished. there is no excuse for that shit, even if it's your dad you find doing it.


but this "OMG he didn't call the cops" crowd is just too much. the cops, the state welfare department, all knew about this shit in some way for years and did nothing about it.

[thaskalos]

do not confuse acceptable with understandable


I am not confusing the two...that's why I said "understandable" instead of "acceptable".

I am just suggesting that you save your sympathy for those a little more worthy of it...

[ElKabong]

2 things..

first, I wished he had stayed on as coach until the end of the year. Reason? Those last 3 weeks would have been an absolute LIVING HELL for Paterno. Angry fans on the road, angry journalists in the weekly pressers.

It would have worn him down. Deservedly so. Quitting lets him experience less misery. Not more. Right now he's insulated and surrounded by hangers on and sycophants and students that live for football saturdays. He doesn't realize, right now, that 99% of America thinks he's a living breathing piece of shit.

second, PSU needs to have their program put down, ASAP. What SMU did pales in comparison to this complete horror show. "Lack of Instutional Control" was what the ncaa said was the reason SMU was put down....If this isn't the definition of Lack of Institutional Control, i don't know what is.

1970, Kent State had a tragedy happen on campus, it's what 90% of people think of when they think of Kent State.....that was 40 yrs ago.....40 yrs ago from now people will remember Penn State for one thing> being a Pedophile Rape Farm... a member of the coaching staff rapes a kid in a shower on campus, the crime is completely swept under the rug by the Head Coach and AD.

Paterno makes me sick.

[Grits]

Thaskalos wrote: Can you imagine the pain and anguish that must have been portrayed on the face of this child...with his arms up against the wall as he has being "attacked" as he was?

Thask, this is what has me so shaken. For my life, I cannot understand how grown men, parents themselves, could ban together to hide this, to protect their school at such a cost--that this kind of harm could be carried out for years.

The small size of these children, particularly the 10 year old in the shower. Seeing this beast (he's not human) on the news, seeing how tall he is, how big an individual he is, very fit. He looks to be, at least, 6ft.4, 185 lbs. From the grand jury's report, knowing what he did to them, how he forced himself on them. Because of his towering size and strength, the pain these small boys must have endured had to unbearable. He was controlling and manipulative. When they tried to move from his advances, he tightened his grip on their legs or their shoulders. These poor children, they had no chance, none at all.:(

This is the average height and weight of boys 10 to 13 years old.

10 years old--51 inches, 4ft.3--70.4 lbs

11 years old--52 inches, 4ft.4--77 lbs

12 -13 years old--58 to 62 inches, about 5ft.--85 to 100 lbs

My own son is 4ft.7, he weighs only 100lbs. The 10 year old in the shower being raped was even smaller.

I don't understand why he's not in jail, instead of out on only 75K bond. I don't understand how any man, any human being could do these things to a child.

[Grits]

Again, Elkabong--you're one wise, perceptive man. As is Thask, and several others. I just find it so subhuman that men let this happen. They let this go on, and on, and on.

[PhantomOnTour]

I started reading the indictment and soon stopped.
It's enough to make you want to cry.

[toussaud]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jack_mccallum/11/08/sandusky/index.html

[thaskalos]

Thask, this is what has me so shaken. For my life, I cannot understand how grown men, parents themselves, could ban together to hide this, to protect their school at such a cost--that this kind of harm could be carried out for years.

The small size of these children, particularly the 10 year old in the shower. Seeing this beast (he's not human) on the news, seeing how tall he is, how big an individual he is, very fit. He looks to be, at least, 6ft.4, 185 lbs. From the grand jury's report, knowing what he did to them, how he forced himself on them. Because of his towering size and strength, the pain these small boys must have endured had to unbearable. He was controlling and manipulative. When they tried to move from his advances, he tightened his grip on their legs or their shoulders. These poor children, they had no chance, none at all.:(

This is the average height and weight of boys 10 to 13 years old.

10 years old--51 inches, 4ft.3--70.4 lbs

11 years old--52 inches, 4ft.4--77 lbs

12 -13 years old--58 to 62 inches, about 5ft.--85 to 100 lbs

My own son is 4ft.7, he weighs only 100lbs. The 10 year old in the shower being raped was even smaller.

I don't understand why he's not in jail, instead of out on only 75K bond. I don't understand how any man, any human being could do these things to a child.
My own son is 12 years old Grits, and I feel exactly as you do.

To think that men like these are entrusted with our kids, in any capacity, is incomprehensible...

[toussaud]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=4

[iceknight]

Paterno fired and STUPID students (hundreds or maybe 1000's) of them doing crazy stuff and rioting..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q0XC2ScUp-E

the nutjobs (probably 1000-2000) out of an enrollment of 43000... but they still ruined it for everyone by flipping media trucks etc

[turninforhome10]

I have lived with this idea for a while. There are two things in life that a person can take away from someone that can never be given back to them. Their life and their innocence. Take away either one with malice aforethought and the death penalty should be instituted. I am the father of a beautiful 7 yo little girl and the idea that anyone should destroy her innocence should draw only the harshest penalties i.e death.
I work for Penn State at the Medical Center and the mood has been varied. I actually heard someone say that Joe Pa should be allowed to stay as the are having a good season. Huh? I prefer the idea that Sandusky should be given a gun and sent into a soundproof room and do the right thing.

[iceknight]

I have lived with this idea for a while. There are two things in life that a person can take away from someone that can never be given back to them. Their life and their innocence. Take away either one with malice aforethought and the death penalty should be instituted. I am the father of a beautiful 7 yo little girl and the idea that anyone should destroy her innocence should draw only the harshest penalties i.e death.
I work for Penn State at the Medical Center and the mood has been varied. I actually heard someone say that Joe Pa should be allowed to stay as the are having a good season. Huh? I prefer the idea that Sandusky should be given a gun and sent into a soundproof room and do the right thing.


I disagree with the idea of giving Sandusky a choice. I think there are proper treatment methods at State penitentiary locations for Sandusky. Regards Joepa, I am appalled at how he and others used the word horsing around and insulted horses as well as made it seem like child rape/abuse was nothing. Perhaps JoePA and the other four involved can be sent to a jail to be "horsed around" by other hardened prisoners.

[judd]

play joes house number (was on tv)


803

[llegend39]

Absolutely the WORST decision in the history of major college athletics
He should have been allowed to coach the rest of the season and then retire
He gave Penn St 61 years for god sakes

What a gutless , spineless bunch of weasels the board of trustee are. The fire him by phone? PHONE! Give me a F-IN break

Im glad to see the student body feel the outrage I do
They are planning a Friday nite into Sat morning pep rally for Joe
They are trying to figure out a way to "sneak" him in.
Id love to see the fans boycott the game
Id love to see the players refuse to take the field and forfeit the game
I hope they go 0-100
I hope not 1 high school kid wants to play there
I hope no major college wants them on their schedule
I hope there comes a time when they cant get a game with Beaver High

[rastajenk]

I am reminded of when Ohio State had to fire Woody Hayes. Of course, the circumstances were completely different, but what is similar is the understanding that no one is bigger than the institution. Ohio State acted swiftly, they didn't form a committee and try to weigh in factors that had nothing to do with the incident, they did what they had to do, regardless of public opinion. I think Penn State's board did the right thing. I also think that the fellow they sent up front to make the announcement did a great job under incredible pressure. No one would feel comfortable firing a legend.

[Valuist]

Absolutely the WORST decision in the history of major college athletics
He should have been allowed to coach the rest of the season and then retire
He gave Penn St 61 years for god sakes

What a gutless , spineless bunch of weasels the board of trustee are. The fire him by phone? PHONE! Give me a F-IN break

Im glad to see the student body feel the outrage I do
They are planning a Friday nite into Sat morning pep rally for Joe
They are trying to figure out a way to "sneak" him in.
Id love to see the fans boycott the game
Id love to see the players refuse to take the field and forfeit the game
I hope they go 0-100
I hope not 1 high school kid wants to play there
I hope no major college wants them on their schedule
I hope there comes a time when they cant get a game with Beaver High


This is arguably the dumbest post in the history of Pace Advantage. Congratulations.

[KingChas]

Paterno fired and STUPID students (hundreds or maybe 1000's) of them doing crazy stuff and rioting..



PSU just keeps fumbling the ball on this situation.

Do you think people of supposedly higher intelligence maybe could have announced this at 10:00 AM today instead of 10:00 PM on hump day when the students were probable already juiced up?
Authorities-(police) could have been alerted- (prepared).

I would not call that a riot,I have seen riots. ;)

[rastajenk]

This is arguably the dumbest post in the history of Pace Advantage. Congratulations.Agreed.

But judd's a close second. After his black dudes in jail comment earlier, he gets Joe's house number wrong...in large font.

[Dave Schwartz]

I am the father of a molested child. When my daughter was 28 months old she was molested by a baby sitter's 11-yr old son.

We discovered it because she had developed behavioral problems and we took her to Children's Behavioral Services. During the intake, the social worker said, "Your daughter has all the earmarks of an abused child. May we examine her?"

Of course, the examine turned out positive.

An investigation ensued. I was the most likely candidate, followed by our 15 year old son, followed by the only two other males that had ever been alone with her.

When we figured out who it was, I went to the mother and told her, very calmly, what her son had done. She denied it. I recall saying to her, "Look, this is not a discussion or debate. I, frankly, do not care about your son. I am interested in my daughter. If you have a brain in your head you will stop denying his involvement and get him help."

Long story short - Over the coming 18 months, the boy was arrested (it is the law) and my daughter spent a lot of time in counseling. The therapist - a wonderful woman - advised us that probably at ages 7-9 she would have more problems. She was right.

Eventually, she was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. Now a 27-year old adult, she still suffers from this condition, though she denies it. It has seriously hampered her ability to have a normal life.

The perpetrator and his family did not fair anywhere near as well. At age 18, he shot and killed his estranged father who had been molesting him. The boy, himself, was killed at age 23. His older sister (by 1 year), who the investigation showed was forced to sleep in the same bed with her brother from age 7 to 12, committed suicide in her mid-20s. The mother committed suicide about two years after that.

The consequences of a molestation can be far-reaching. It is a heinous crime. Where did this vicious cycle begin? Near as I could tell, it began with the father he molested his son but it probably began in his youth when (if?) he was molested himself. After that, the dominoes fell.

Truly, when the incident occurred with my daughter, I was not even thinking of revenge. I had (as I told the mother) "bigger fish to fry." I told her that her son was her responsibility, not mine. She was not up to it. Perhaps she had not been "up to" protecting her son from his father either.

I still hold that the 11-year old boy who did this was as much a victim as the girl he abused.


How do you suppose the boys Sandusky molested are doing? Do you suppose that even one of them has an "abnormal" life? Perhaps at least one of them has been robbed of his ability to lead a normal life? Do you suppose that the cycle of abuse has continued? Do you suppose that even one of those boys is now a molester himself?

I would imagine that the answer to all of those questions is "yes."


In Nevada ( and other states around the nation) there is a law that says that any educator or professional who is aware of child abuse, sexual or otherwise, MUST report it to the authorities IMMEDIATELY. That does not mean tell SOMEONE it means tell the police. It is THE LAW.

How much better off would "Sandusky's boys" be today if this had been done IMMEDIATELY? How many more children have been abused at the hands of the ABUSED? And how many of the 2nd generation abusers have now become 3rd generation abusers?

Please, do not tell me that it is too bad that "all this" has tarnished Joe Paterno's legacy. Lives have been shattered; will continue to be shattered. Paterno helped create this legacy by not doing the right thing at the right time.

Just my opinion.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[lsbets]

What a gutless , spineless bunch of weasels

That would be an accurate description of Joe and the rest of the staff. They did nothing to stop children from being abused. I don't care how many games he's won or coached, that does not make him a great man. He had a chance to be a great man, to stop the abuse of children by someone he knew and trusted. Instead he did his best to look the other way. Paterno is a gutless, spineless weasel.

[ArlJim78]

The decision to fire Paterno is not surprising or gutless. It was simply the only course of action that could be taken. Put yourselves in the shoes of those trustees for a moment, and tell me you wouldn't have done the same.

Yes it's sad that a legend who all of us most likely admired has to go out like this, but there are bigger issues here than a coaches reputation or winning against Nebraska. Getting rid of Paterno is only the first step on a long road for PSU to get this scandal behind them.

[MONEY]

Absolutely the WORST decision in the history of major college athletics
He should have been allowed to coach the rest of the season and then retire
He gave Penn St 61 years for god sakes

What a gutless , spineless bunch of weasels the board of trustee are. The fire him by phone? PHONE! Give me a F-IN break



The Joe Paterno firing is a joke.

I'm pretty sure that Paterno has a clause in his contract that guarantees him an amount of money should he get fired.

If he resigns he gets nothing.

The firing is nothing more than a hidden payoff.

[cj]

The Joe Paterno firing is a joke.

I'm pretty sure that Paterno has a clause in his contract that guarantees him an amount of money should he get fired.

If he resigns he gets nothing.

The firing is nothing more than a hidden payoff.

I really, really don't think Joe Paterno needs any money at this point in his life. This firing definitely tarnishes his legacy even more than it already was. Resigning wasn't going to save his reputation, but it would have been one small step in the right direction. Instead he comes across as the stubborn old man, too dumb to admit he did something very wrong here.

[Valuist]

I can't believe Sandusky's bail was only $100,000. Given the charges, he should've been held without bail.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_released_on_bail_judg.html

[Cardus]

Agreed.

But judd's a close second. After his black dudes in jail comment earlier, he gets Joe's house number wrong...in large font.

And this in a thread with Toussaud's usual brilliance.

[Robert Fischer]

aside from the horrific crimes (if that is possible)


this case is interesting because of the power of the wording or semantics of the indictment.

the wording is damning to Paterno.

the mass media is also currently flooded with "facts" that Paterno was told of a boy being molested.

in the same indictment Paterno (and IIRC his athletic director as well) deny that he was told of molestation or rape.

[riskman]

This entire incident and all those involved is grotesque. The arrogance displayed by Penn State by protecting these individuals is beyond belief. It is as if nothing happened as long as you keep winning football games and the money just keeps rolling in the school.Whomever had knowledge of these incidents past and present should be punished to the full extent of the law both criminally and financially.

[Canarsie]

All I can ask is why? Whoever is running the insane asylum should be patient #1.


http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7215664/penn-state-nittany-lions-mike-mcqueary-coach-weekend

[cj]

All I can ask is why? Whoever is running the insane asylum should be patient #1.


http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7215664/penn-state-nittany-lions-mike-mcqueary-coach-weekend

That is ridiculous. I have to believe that will change before Saturday.

The more that comes out, the more one thing is painfully obvious. Everyone know, and they knew it all.

[Grits]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html?hp

Their precious, iconic coach, fired. One student laments, "this isn't fair." Well, son, where's the fairness that was accorded these victims of the past decade? Where were you when they were being raped? Most likely, you were still playing T ball, or flag football, at home while your parent's looked on.

At home, I might add, where you apparently, left your sense of right from wrong, along with your damn brain.

This IS grotesque--not only Sandusky, the animal that he is, but also the president, and all others involved in the coverup. Those who've been spoken of in the ten pages of this thread.

Now, the students--they pour into the street to riot, they think its their right to VENT their anger, to destroy property. They further embarrass their university by showing what they're made of. What their priority is--and that would be football Saturday.

They, too, are not interested in the children who were victims.

[Valuist]

How likely will Sandusky be to bolt the country? He already posted the 10k for the 100K bail. He will face hell in jail. I bet he is looking to flee. Its an absolute crime that there even is bail for him.

[Ocala Mike]

Grits and Dave Schwartz have it right. Everything going forward now should be about the victims of this abuse, not the reputations of Joe Pa or Penn State.

Where is the NCAA in all this? Probably worried about some college kid getting a free tattoo in return for a jersey.

I hope the Penn State foorball team, if allowed to complete the season, do the right thing by dedicating their remaining games to the young men whose lives have been ruined by a pervert and his enablers, and not to denizens of Happy Valley.

Ocala Mike

[Ocala Mike]

How likely will Sandusky be to bolt the country? He already posted the 10k for the 100K bail. He will face hell in jail. I bet he is looking to flee. Its an absolute crime that there even is bail for him.

Agree; bail was way too low. Should go directly from Penn State to State Pen.


Ocala Mike

[Grits]

Having gone, just now, to Penn State's (public) FB page--something that had not occurred to me, there are hundreds, probably a thousand comments or more on this nightmare. In the first of fifty comments I read (one post that contained over 490 comments) is the note of ONE woman, a Penn State graduate. The entire piece should go in the New York Times as a guest editorial.

Meanwhile, I hope on Saturday, Mr.McQueary, you enjoy your home game. Obviously, you've had no problem living with yourself for the past decade, I'm sure you won't have on Saturday either. ESPN got this one right, as did this women on FB..:faint:

The one who REALLY should get raked over the coals or FIRED or JAILED or JUDGED or VILIFIED or RUN OUT OF PENNSYLVANIA is that red headed idiot Mike McQueary...

My hang up isn’t on JoePa, Sandusky, Spanier, or any of those fools who would actually call themselves men and/or fathers who cared about NOTHING but the potential scandal and fallout and decided to sweep it under the rug.

My hang-up is on the 28 year old graduate assistant who walked away from a 10 year old boy being raped by a grown man. He walked away, also saying that he believed both Sandusky and the boy saw him. I do not even want to imagine what that 10 year old kid was thinking as McQueary walked away and called his father.

“He was distraught.”
“He saw something horrifying.”
“He didn’t know what to do.”

I wonder if his reaction would be different if, say, he looked up and saw Sandusky beating this same kid with a bat. I would bet that he would’ve screamed bloody hell and tried to wrestle him to the ground. But because of the vile, sexual, and evil nature of what was taking place, he was stunned. But not stunned enough to not call his own father to figure out what he should do. May I offer his age again: he was 28 at the time.

If I sound judgmental, it’s because I am. Even if you’re stunned to paralysis, after about 10 minutes, once you realize you just witnessed a child rape, how do you NOT call the police? Or have some kind of thought resembling, “God, I hope that kid’s alright.”

I think my favorite response on Twitter was something like, “As a 104lb grandmother, there’s no way I wouldn’t have done everything to get that kid safe.”

McQueary was former football PENN STATE FOOTBALL player, someone who had been bred to fearlessly throw himself in the path of other beastly men with brute strength to get a first down....he was a grown man, saw an act of sexual violence upon a child, and…what? WALKED AWAY!! That’s too scary to confront??? REALLY??

And to add insult to injury AT NO point since 2002 did McQueary EVER ask why the police were not notified.....or that it should have been HIM the EYE witness who should’ve notified the police ? Why do we accept HE did the right thing going to Joe and having JOE go to School officials?

Is sexual violence so removed from the consciences of male athletes and coaches that when it does happen, there’s no tool available in their system to dismantle the situation? But something tells me that rape and sport culture, especially football, are not strangers. What are we teaching young men? In college culture, if a woman is raped, she was either asking for it or lying. If it’s a child, walk away.

If there’s one thing I know about college football, coming from Penn State there are families who schedule weddings around college football games, there’s no such thing as doing the minimum. Staff and athletes have mantras of honor, excellence, and going beyond, teamwork, brotherhood, achievement. Strength. No pain. Give it your all.

But when in the face of sexual violence, when the opportunity to save a young child comes, Mike McQueary walked away and made a call for help to help HIMSELF not that poor kid....let me repeat it...Mike McQueary LEFT. He left. And the call of help was to help himself deal with what he saw and figure out what to do while that boy was left alone with a monster.

So, Mike McQueary, even if you never broke any law, even if everyone says you tried to do the right thing, even if Penn State somehow redeems itself in many many years from now, even if Spanier, Paterno, and others find ways to save face, there is one person that matters in this story and there’s no way to hide from your memory. For all the years of studying routes and back-up plans, defense and offense, for all the lifetimes spent studying plays, recovering fumbles, and coming back from adversity, you have to live with this basic truth for the rest of your life: you left that boy to deal with his nightmare alone.

[Canarsie]

How likely will Sandusky be to bolt the country? He already posted the 10k for the 100K bail. He will face hell in jail. I bet he is looking to flee. Its an absolute crime that there even is bail for him.

He can still get out probably but I read in an article that he had to turn in his passport when arraigned.

[toussaud]

shit just got very real, as if it wasn't already



Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. Mark Madden actually tried to break this story back in April, and no one listened, now it's gone viral



http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11



http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area


this is much bigger than one guy being a sexual preadtor. This is beyond horrific, and goes to show the level/power that the football team welded over the entire community

[keilan]

I am the father of a molested child. When my daughter was 28 months old she was molested by a baby sitter's 11-yr old son.

We discovered it because she had developed behavioral problems and we took her to Children's Behavioral Services. During the intake, the social worker said, "Your daughter has all the earmarks of an abused child. May we examine her?"

Of course, the examine turned out positive.

An investigation ensued. I was the most likely candidate, followed by our 15 year old son, followed by the only two other males that had ever been alone with her.

When we figured out who it was, I went to the mother and told her, very calmly, what her son had done. She denied it. I recall saying to her, "Look, this is not a discussion or debate. I, frankly, do not care about your son. I am interested in my daughter. If you have a brain in your head you will stop denying his involvement and get him help."

Long story short - Over the coming 18 months, the boy was arrested (it is the law) and my daughter spent a lot of time in counseling. The therapist - a wonderful woman - advised us that probably at ages 7-9 she would have more problems. She was right.

Eventually, she was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. Now a 27-year old adult, she still suffers from this condition, though she denies it. It has seriously hampered her ability to have a normal life.

The perpetrator and his family did not fair anywhere near as well. At age 18, he shot and killed his estranged father who had been molesting him. The boy, himself, was killed at age 23. His older sister (by 1 year), who the investigation showed was forced to sleep in the same bed with her brother from age 7 to 12, committed suicide in her mid-20s. The mother committed suicide about two years after that.

The consequences of a molestation can be far-reaching. It is a heinous crime. Where did this vicious cycle begin? Near as I could tell, it began with the father he molested his son but it probably began in his youth when (if?) he was molested himself. After that, the dominoes fell.

Truly, when the incident occurred with my daughter, I was not even thinking of revenge. I had (as I told the mother) "bigger fish to fry." I told her that her son was her responsibility, not mine. She was not up to it. Perhaps she had not been "up to" protecting her son from his father either.

I still hold that the 11-year old boy who did this was as much a victim as the girl he abused.


How do you suppose the boys Sandusky molested are doing? Do you suppose that even one of them has an "abnormal" life? Perhaps at least one of them has been robbed of his ability to lead a normal life? Do you suppose that the cycle of abuse has continued? Do you suppose that even one of those boys is now a molester himself?

I would imagine that the answer to all of those questions is "yes."


In Nevada ( and other states around the nation) there is a law that says that any educator or professional who is aware of child abuse, sexual or otherwise, MUST report it to the authorities IMMEDIATELY. That does not mean tell SOMEONE it means tell the police. It is THE LAW.

How much better off would "Sandusky's boys" be today if this had been done IMMEDIATELY? How many more children have been abused at the hands of the ABUSED? And how many of the 2nd generation abusers have now become 3rd generation abusers?

Please, do not tell me that it is too bad that "all this" has tarnished Joe Paterno's legacy. Lives have been shattered; will continue to be shattered. Paterno helped create this legacy by not doing the right thing at the right time.

Just my opinion.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

Thanks for sharing your family's story Dave! I think many of us know of such incidents in our own family. My niece was molested by a babysitter and struggles with it each day. My older brother repressed his experience up until he was 40 yo and hasn't lived a normal life since - probably explains a lot of things up to that point! The girl I've loved since childhood was molested by her father as a child and then raped in her late teens........

These are just the people that are closest to me that I mention, other men and women have told me their horrific stories. My faith in humanity has been tested and incidents like those at Penn State happen around us all the time.

All of these victims are educated, hold or held high paying jobs but remain silent. Both my brother and this girl I loved shared their experience with me but are really uncertain about all the details -my brothers grown children both have asked me about what they suspected about their father because he wouldn't share his hurt with them. I think his wife told them once he was hurt when he was young and they were trying to make sense of it.

This girl/women has developed coping mechanisms (personality disorder) to protect herself so she can function enough to get through life. Up until her 40's she was the most beautiful women in any room. Last year she described her life to me as a series of "ugly little black boxes" hidden away where no one can see.

Many years had passed by the time they told me. Less then ten people combined know of these three victims stories....Silence has protected the guilty!

I'll stop now..........

[Canarsie]

Special thanks to Dave and keilan for sharing their stories and showing how many people get encompassed in a situation like this. I know it had to be a very hard thing to do.

I also would like to say while this situation is horrific beyond comparison it has restored my faith in humanity when it comes to sports. Since this broke on a national scale (this as a board we knew ahead of most) nine out of ten callers to sports shows have been about how disgraceful Penn States behavior is and haven't talked about regular sports.

The more I think about McQueary there is so much more to his story I don't know what to make of it. Something fishy has to be going on or he has many more incidents to tell of.

To the people who attacked a car throwing stones, rocks, and anything else. Please take a hike and leave this great country of ours and take up residence elsewhere.

[Rookies]

Absolutely the WORST decision in the history of major college athletics
He should have been allowed to coach the rest of the season and then retire
He gave Penn St 61 years for god sakes

What a gutless , spineless bunch of weasels the board of trustee are. The fire him by phone? PHONE! Give me a F-IN break

Im glad to see the student body feel the outrage I do
They are planning a Friday nite into Sat morning pep rally for Joe
They are trying to figure out a way to "sneak" him in.
Id love to see the fans boycott the game...

THIS STORY IS NOT ABOUT A ****ING FOOTBALL GAME & ITS HC!:mad:

*I don't care if it's Pop Warner or Vince Freaking Lombardi or someone who won 10,000 sports' games.

*It's about 8 and counting, defenceless boys being abused for a long period of time by a serial, pedophile, predator!

*It's about a HC, who being in charge of a $ 50 million profit per year business, made the executive decision to aid and abet the perpetrator to protect the Biz and his OWN reputation.

*It is a criminal conspiracy to downplay events, cover up situations and bury victims without assistance or remorse and to prevent evidence because of the ungodly, perverse power of a sport.

* As every day unfolds new damning charges, there should not be a single PSU Coach/Trainer/University Official connected to this event and prior to the one identified in 2002/ 2003- left in their jobs! Obviously, they should never be on the gd football field Saturday or this year, perhaps given their culpability- ever again.

*Most should be (at a minimum) charged for failure to disclose a child abuse. This is a stipulation in place here in Ontario and one where there is a legal requirement to follow up to ensure that the authorities ( i.e. police- NOT the University) has made a proper determination.

* PSU should have their Championship banners hung at half mast- FOREVER!

[badcompany]

Just when you think it can't get worse, there's a rumour that Sandusky's foundation was pimping out young boys to rich donors.

The rumor comes from a guy, Mark Madden, who was way out ahead of this story. Here's a piece he wrote last April:

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

[Marlin]

By the letter of the law JoePa and McQueery did no wrong. JoePa is old, wealthy enough to go away. McQueery's number is much larger. The trustees can either write the check or let him coach. Pretty sad they elect to allow him to coach. The evil allowed to continue by these men and more is nauseating. How can we have a system that protects these two individuals? Not only does it protect them, but apparently gets them paid as well. Sick, Sick, Sick!

[rastajenk]

That link from Badcompany is remarkable. On target, from start to finish.

[Marlin]

On ESPN scroll PSU player says "we are going to play for Joe". This has to be the Twilight Zone. Ridiculous. Just how strong is football right now? Is football the most important thing in America currently?

[Horseplayersbet.com]

Those PSU students that we are seeing rallying round Paterno have to be either idiots or suffering from major cognitive dissonance.

They are an embarrassment, and I think this fact will dawn on most of them over time.

[toussaud]

I'm hearing that the game against nebraska if not he rest of the season could be forfeited.

[badcompany]

Those PSU students that we are seeing rallying round Paterno have to be either idiots or suffering from major cognitive dissonance.

They are an embarrassment, and I think this fact will dawn on most of them over time.

I think it's a combination of being in denial and living in the biosphere that is Penn State.

I'm gonna give these kids a pass. They're basically collateral damage for something that's not their fault.

This just shows that when push comes to shove, we're all in the hands of fate.

[castaway01]

Those PSU students that we are seeing rallying round Paterno have to be either idiots or suffering from major cognitive dissonance.

They are an embarrassment, and I think this fact will dawn on most of them over time.

Agreed...if most of us covered up child abuse to protect our company (school), we'd be in jail, yet these people are rioting because Paterno just lost his JOB. He should be happy that's all he's lost. He ruled out there for 30 years, and somewhere along the line he lost what was important.

[iceknight]

I can't believe Sandusky's bail was only $100,000. Given the charges, he should've been held without bail.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_released_on_bail_judg.html

Sandusky was seen the local Dick's Sporting Goods yesterday it seems (zip code 16803).. Innocent until proven guilty. yuckkkk

[proximity]

Just when you think it can't get worse, there's a rumour that Sandusky's foundation was pimping out young boys to rich donors.



possible illuminati connection?

[Zippy Chippy]

What a sick f*ck Sandusky is. I wish they could execute people like that.

[rastajenk]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Notre Dame replaced Penn St in the B I G.? I know that sounds pretty silly at first flash. I get the feeling that the Nits' pain and shame is just beginning, to the point that other member institutions won't be able to continue doing business with them without feeling pressure from their own bigtime donors and supporters. Kind of like the divestiture movements regarding South Africa and Israel of a few years ago. If the story gets bigger and broader, which sure seems likely, Penn St will become even a bigger pariah. The conference or the NCAA could use the "lack of institutional control" path if it wants to, but basically it could become simply bad business to schedule them. And if you can't use them for football revenue, what good are they?

After they get the boot, the Irish suddenly sense the timing is right. Just a thought. :cool:

[toussaud]

looking at 461 years in prison

didn't pay one cent of bail money.

[bigmack]

MIGHTY forthright of D.Schwartz & keilen to share their personal stories. Shows the depth to which these heinous acts can affect people and the dreadful cycle they can trigger.

May justice fall hard on this scum.

QyHEDPmRLv0

[Robert Goren]

My guess that there will be a lot of one time Husker fans this saturday. I actually feel for the Penn State football fans. They were betrayed by the some people who work for the university. Penn St football will survive, but I think the fund raising will take a big hit for awhile. Who is going to give money to something that is going to be sued for millions if not billions of dollars. Heaven only knows how many there are of these kids. I suspect there are a lot. Anyone of them that was molested after 2002(maybe 1999) has some sort of case against Penn St.

[cj's dad]

Heard this morning that the count of children coming forward is up to 20.

Another note; Mc Query will not be coaching Saturday.

A thought; how in the hell can the PSU faithful tail gate and cheer Saturday (as I am sure they will) in the aftermath of this tragedy ?

[Robert Goren]

Heard this morning that the count of children coming forward is up to 20.

Another note; Mc Query will not be coaching Saturday.

A thought; how in the hell can the PSU faithful tail gate and cheer Saturday (as I am sure they will) in the aftermath of this tragedy ?They going to be selling blue t-shirts to support the victims. Buy a t-shirt and they can party guilty free. I kid you not.

[cj]

Heard this morning that the count of children coming forward is up to 20.

Another note; Mc Query will not be coaching Saturday.

A thought; how in the hell can the PSU faithful tail gate and cheer Saturday (as I am sure they will) in the aftermath of this tragedy ?

I've never understood the college football scene. These are young men, barely old enough to drive and not old enough to drink for the most part, playing a game. Way, way too much importance is put on it. What happened at Happy Valley could have happened in any number of places. Anybodythat doesn't think so has blinkers on.

I guess I can understand going Saturday to support the players. They have done nothing wrong, especially the seniors. But every single person on that staff has to go, including the interim coach. He knew. They all knew, and I suspect more atrocities will surface soon.

[Rookies]

Completely agree. Paterno's responsibility was not simply to ask where to report, do so and turn his back on the situation. The standard on reporting of child sexual abuse is waaaay higher than that and you must continually enquire as to what has transpired.

Consider this. Did that monster Sandusky, who was obviously a close friend and confidante of Paterno's for decades, suddenly run in to disfavour in terms of being JoPa's HC replacement a decade ago?

Really?

Did that just happen out of the blue and in close approximation to the timing of the most serious disclosure by McQueary?

Only the slackjawed would believe that and that the wagons weren't circled to protect the guilty- those Coaches & PSU!

It's a cover up of massive proportions based on all the usual base factors: massive money, power and influence v.s. the sole word of the defenceless. Many, many persons are guilty here and they should be all charged to the fullest extent of the law, inaddition to being fired.

Finally, severe NCAA penalties should befall PSU, just as the hundred million dollar lawsuits will soon.

[Tom]

Texas allegations has now arisen. Early 2000's, at a game there.

A bunch of these guys need to do hard time here. Knowing and not reporting to the authorities is worthy of 10 years.

[elysiantraveller]

People need to be careful when tossing blame around. Obviously as more comes out there will be more firings and likely almost all of the coaching staff will end up hitting the road but the players, the student body, the professors... these people have done nothing wrong.

If I was a Penn State alum/fan I would still be cheering them on.

In any crime there are victims, perpertrators, and enablers. Lets leave the strong feelings for them.

[Dave Schwartz]

eTraveller,

:ThmbUp:

You make really good points.

Dave

[Grits]

The NCAA is watching developments in the case but will defer to criminal investigators for now.

"As the facts are established through the justice system, we will determine whether association bylaws have been violated and act accordingly," NCAA president Mark Emmert said in a statement Thursday. "To be clear, civil and criminal law will always take precedence over Association rules."

Emmert, a former University of Washington president, said he has read the grand jury report and finds the alleged assaults appalling.

"As a parent and an educator, the notion that anyone would use a position of trust to prey on children is despicable," he said. "My thoughts and concern go out to the alleged victims and their families."

Earlier this week, before Paterno was fired, Emmert called the allegations "gut wrenching."

Between this comment from the NCAA and the U.S.Dept. of Education's launching of an investigation, this university doesn't have a prayer. It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving this kind of scrutiny. Nor do those who where in administrative positions, including Paterno, who according to the ESPN piece is, quite possibly going about the business of "lawyering up." Guess Paterno's advisors, ie, his children most likely, are concerned about his being able to hold on to all the millions he's earned over the years when he's named in the civil suits that will pour in. (Children and grandchildren are probably worried about their inheritance.)

If I were an athlete in this university's football program--I would be in discussion with someone about my future--because that future sure wouldn't be at Penn State. I wouldn't take the chance. I'd be SO gone from any association with this program and this school.


I HATE IT FOR 'EM.


Paterno's advisers have reached out to attorney J. Sedgwick Sollers, a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer, about representing Paterno in connection with the scandal, NBC News reported.

Sollers has not met with Paterno and a retainer agreement has not been signed, according to the report. A spokesman for Paterno said "no lawyer has been retained."

A source close to Paterno said he is concerned that he will face civil lawsuits in the case, according to NBC News.

Sollers, the managing partner in the Washington office of King & Spalding, declined to comment Thursday night, according to the report.

NOTE: This one article has over 5K comments. This entire nation is shaken by what has happened to these children, while everyone of these men, including Sandusky are maintaining that they are INNOCENT.

I hope, somewhere, there's a still fit, capable of climbing to a rooftop, former soldier who is bothered by this. One who served in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan whose expertise with a high powered rifle is still incredibly outstanding. One who never missed his target while serving his country. A target that wouldn't be protected by the Kevlar vest that Sandusky would be wearing.

Never, ever harm a child. A mother will wish you the worst.

[Grits]

People need to be careful when tossing blame around. Obviously as more comes out there will be more firings and likely almost all of the coaching staff will end up hitting the road but the players, the student body, the professors... these people have done nothing wrong.

If I was a Penn State alum/fan I would still be cheering them on.

In any crime there are victims, perpertrators, and enablers. Lets leave the strong feelings for them.

I'd never imply anything about the thousands of fine people of PA, and elsewhere, that are not involved in anyway in the coverup that has taken place at Penn State. These people, I'm sure, only feel shame and sadness for the school they have loved so.

[cj's dad]

People need to be careful when tossing blame around. Obviously as more comes out there will be more firings and likely almost all of the coaching staff will end up hitting the road but the players, the student body, the professors... these people have done nothing wrong.

If I was a Penn State alum/fan I would still be cheering them on.

In any crime there are victims, perpertrators, and enablers. Lets leave the strong feelings for them.

Of course you would !

[elysiantraveller]

Of course you would !

I don't get it...

[cj's dad]

May more follow.

Link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute

[Rookies]

I don't get it...

Here's what to get.

There are so many high placed people in the PSU Football Program and University behind this criminal coverup that a freaking football game should be the last thing considered!

NO MORE FOOTBALL SHOULD BE PLAYED AT PSU THIS YEAR! No Pom Pom rah-rah-rahs, no teary goodbyes to JoePa et al-NADA!:ThmbDown:

Maybe not for a very long time!That is the minimal penalty for the Program and those who ran it. At least, until the time that ALL of the victims and their families have come forward, as they are now.

For God sake, some of the present staff are still running the show- the new HC! Absolutely, disgusting.

[Valuist]

Here is the full detailed report. If anyone wants to start the "innocent til proven guilty bull$hit," I suggest you read the entire report:

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

[ArlJim78]

I wouldn't go that far, i would let this season finish out.
Those kids deserve as much.

But after that I think that the football program should be shut down for perhaps a year or two. the entire program should be rebuilt after that with an entirely new staff top to bottom. they need a clean break and then to start over with new people and policies imo.

[Valuist]

I don't think the NCAA needs to do anything. The courts will absolutely gut them financially; their reputation will be in the toilet for a number of years. Recruits won't want the stigma of going to Pedophile State.

I do hope that bowls decide to not invite them. That would hit them in the wallet, which they should be hit extremely hard. And hopefully the Big Ten will cooperate, but that I would not count on.

[keilan]

Here's what to get.

There are so many high placed people in the PSU Football Program and University behind this criminal coverup that a freaking football game should be the last thing considered!

NO MORE FOOTBALL SHOULD BE PLAYED AT PSU THIS YEAR! No Pom Pom rah-rah-rahs, no teary goodbyes to JoePa et al-NADA!:ThmbDown:

Maybe not for a very long time!That is the minimal penalty for the Program and those who ran it. At least, until the time that ALL of the victims and their families have come forward, as they are now.

For God sake, some of the present staff are still running the show- the new HC! Absolutely, disgusting.


Amen, anything less then this turns my blood cold!

Penn taking the field tomorrow is disgusting!! A college football game/program should emulate values, morals and the good things about life. This program and the people who run it are sewage of the worst kind and this 50 million dollar annual machine needs to be shut down today!

It's called doing the right thing....

[elysiantraveller]

It's called doing the right thing....

Yes... by punishing student athletes who were in junior high when this happened... makes sense.

[elysiantraveller]

Of course you would !

Aren't you a Ravens and Ray Lewis fan?...

[Valuist]

Yes... by punishing student athletes who were in junior high when this happened... makes sense.

Sometimes life isn't fair. Not playing WOULD be the right thing.

Its an embarrassment that Paterno didn't resign. He was kicking and screaming til the end....

[keilan]

Yes... by punishing student athletes who were in junior high when this happened... makes sense.

This isn't about student athletes! My God you really don't understand what has happened.........

[Canarsie]

Yes... by punishing student athletes who were in junior high when this happened... makes sense.

I would like to write something detailed but have to run a simple comment will do. If you would like to debate later game on.

My rebuttal to you is if they play the game or games isn't there a very good chance the players will be punished more emotionally, possibly scarred for life? I'm being stone cold serious here this isn't a joke. Can you guarantee what people might say from the stands or wherever else they go?

In closing look at all the heated arguments here and we are adults so don't tell me there isn't a chance in the world it wouldn't happen.

[Grits]

Yes... by punishing student athletes who were in junior high when this happened... makes sense.

I can't believe what you are saying.

Would you feel the same if your son were one of those raped?

Would you enjoy seeing them go on as though nothing whatsoever has happened, except being minus their 84 year old leader?

"Let's take to the field, show them we'll win for JoePa, and celebrate in the stadium and on back to downtown, after all . . . "WE ARE, PENN STATE"

Do you really, honestly, believe this is right at the present time? Why do I feel they're going to have a bit more of a problem with their image on their three out of town games remaining as Canarsie is suggesting? Win or lose.

This is so very heinous (keep in mind, THIS is unprecedented in the history of all sports) it should have profound and widespread affect, and consequences that carry tremendous weight. Not too mention, message. At this stage, how does one separate the administration involved from the entire school when they have all benefited from the wealth the football program has brought in?

As I said, I'm not implying anything about the citizens of PA, but these people are wise enough to know--nothing so wrong has ever happened and it did so under all their noses, in their backyard.

[Rookies]

I can't believe what you are saying.

Would you feel the same if your son were one of those raped?

Would you enjoy seeing them go on as though nothing whatsoever has happened, except being minus their 84 year old leader?

"Let's take to the field, show them we'll win for JoePa, and celebrate in the stadium and on back to downtown, after all . . . "WE ARE, PENN STATE"

Do you really, honestly, believe this is right at the present time? Why do I feel they're going to have a bit more of a problem with their image on their three out of town games remaining as Canarsie is suggesting? Win or lose.

This is so very heinous (keep in mind, THIS is unprecedented in the history of all sports) it should have profound and widespread affect, and consequences that carry tremendous weight. Not too mention, message. At this stage, how does one separate the administration involved from the entire school when they have all benefited from the wealth the football program has brought in?

As I said, I'm not implying anything about the citizens of PA, but these people are wise enough to know--nothing so wrong has ever happened and it did so under all their noses, in their backyard.

I'm not suggesting that you're being 'Shawshank obtuse' here ET, but the huge picture, you're not getting.

The whole entire situation is abnormal & unprecedented to say the least. People at the highest level of this institution criminally conspired to keep this monstrous situation under wraps. Paterno himself clearly knew the enormity as he gassed that monster and apparently refused to attend his retirement party- after what ? 30-35 years of DAILY association ? Must have been a coincidence, right ?

No, it was an insider protection racket of the highest order!

He KNEW.
The doofus cheerleading President knew.
McQueary knew.
I'll bet every damn PSU Football Coach and and obviously several senior University Admins knew.

Some will hopefully get their just deserts through the courts.

But, this is an enormous opportunity to send a lesson for life to Universities who might ever consider parrallel conduct. Beyond the personal convictions, the University needs to be punished and one of the best ways to do so is to gut the center of the universe there- the football program.

THAT sends the message.

[iceknight]

It is a huge travesty that Sandusky is somehow allowed to be out on bail though. The talk in the town is that he was seen at a sporting goods store with his wife, he was seen at some local gym working out.. etc..

I don't know how some of these businesses (private ones mind you) are still letting him step into their business. If I run a restaurant, I will surely not let this criminal in. 18 months of Grand Jury investigation is *enough* evidence for me.

Regards the suggestion of a retired vet with a high powered rifle etc.. I feel that is too simple. The jail with lot of other capable people (ie other convicts) around him "taking care of him" is probably best solution.

[Grits]

From CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/11/us/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Students will hold a vigil for the victims, downtown, on Friday night. The tone will be very different from that of the other night.

Gov. Tom Corbett decried the student rioting that Paterno's firing prompted on campus Wednesday night. "The eyes of the nation are on you," he reminded residents. "Please behave and demonstrate your pride in Penn State. Your actions speak much louder than your words."

Pennsylvania's U.S. senators -- Pat Toomey, a Republican, and Bob Casey, a Democrat -- announced that they were rescinding their support for the nomination of Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Sandusky's lawyer told CNN on Thursday evening that his client has already been tried in the court of public opinion. Sandusky, who faces child rape charges, disputes the 23-page grand jury summary of graphic testimony, attorney Joseph Amendola said.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/10/sadusky-case-and-missing-da-investigation?hpt=hp_t1

Former elected DA of Center County, PA, Ray Gricar who didn't charge Sandusky after a1998 report went missing in 2005 after going for an afternoon drive. He's not been seen since, his body has not been recovered. His computer was found in the Susquehanna River, its hard drive further downstream.

[keilan]

I'm not suggesting that you're being 'Shawshank obtuse' here ET, but the huge picture, you're not getting.

The whole entire situation is abnormal & unprecedented to say the least. People at the highest level of this institution criminally conspired to keep this monstrous situation under wraps. Paterno himself clearly knew the enormity as he gassed that monster and apparently refused to attend his retirement party- after what ? 30-35 years of DAILY association ? Must have been a coincidence, right ?

No, it was an insider protection racket of the highest order!

He KNEW.
The doofus cheerleading President knew.
McQueary knew.
I'll bet every damn PSU Football Coach and and obviously several senior University Admins knew.

Some will hopefully get their just deserts through the courts.

But, this is an enormous opportunity to send a lesson for life to Universities who might ever consider parrallel conduct. Beyond the personal convictions, the University needs to be punished and one of the best ways to do so is to gut the center of the universe there- the football program.

THAT sends the message.

This story strikes me on two levels!

The first is about children's/young adults lives being destroyed. There isn't any amount of therapy or compensation that these young men will receive that will erase these horrors. The best therapy might allow them a chance at leading a life that will at best be difficult. The impact from the actions of people in authority and power will victimize these children's children and very possibly beyond... It's almost impossible to have normal relationships in your life after one has been violated and discarded.

The second level is what Rookies has touched on - that the very people who were supposed to protect and teach these children - stood & looked the other way as children were being sodomized for more then a decade. We have all witnessed or read about evils from past events in history but this is like no other I have known in my lifetime....

This is why Penn's football program should be blown-up! Lives of those victimized should matter to all of us and its an important message to all that such conduct will never be tolerated.

What happened here is pure evil

[Rookies]

Here's the other thing I've forgotten in the blizzard of lurid details & just reminded on CNN. For ANYONE to believe that Paterno, all other insider Coaches and PSU Top Officials- including the Prez are not culpable and liable, the millisecond that report McQueary came in- they were!

Why?

Because that monster was BOTH a Foster Parent and the head of a Foundation for children! :mad:

They better all being seeing criminal lawyers. They're going to need them.

[cj's dad]

Aren't you a Ravens and Ray Lewis fan?...

Thanks- you have identified yourself as a fool.

[HUSKER55]

I was reading that indictment and it was reported to the second mile project. I don't understand why they didn't do anything or were they just pimping out those kids?


as you read that thing there is a large number of people who knew and did nothing.

right now I say trash can the whole damn staff for the whole college and start over.

[Grits]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-puts-mcqueary-on-leave.html?_r=1&hp

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — The Penn State (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/pennsylvania_state_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org) assistant coach Mike McQueary, who has emerged as a central figure in the sexual abuse scandal that has roiled the university, was placed on administrative leave, the acting president, Rodney A. Erickson, announced Friday.

“It became clear that Coach McQueary could not function in this role under these circumstances,” Erickson said at a news conference on campus. Erickson added McQueary was not fired because of “complexities to that issue,” perhaps of a legal nature.

(Scott Pelly of CBS news is saying McQueary is on indefinite leave.)

[iceknight]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-puts-mcqueary-on-leave.html?_r=1&hp

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — The Penn State (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/pennsylvania_state_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org) assistant coach Mike McQueary, who has emerged as a central figure in the sexual abuse scandal that has roiled the university, was placed on administrative leave, the acting president, Rodney A. Erickson, announced Friday.

(Scott Pelly of CBS news is saying McQueary is on indefinite leave.)


I am not sure what functions McQueary needs to do (if the head coach can fired, they can easily fire him), but the problem is that general legal opinion seems to be that McQueary would have whistleblower protection as he reported to his superiors etc... However, he did not report to the police or Child Welfare Services, so his case for whistleblowing is rather weak, solely in my opinion

Although in this case, its thin ice as he reported about an ex employee (but an emeritus one) so it is complicated. But if the University is anyway going to be handling so many lawsuits because of what they did NOT do, they might as well fire McQueary too and get one more lawsuit because of what they did DO.

[Robert Goren]

There were people at Penn State knew long before McQueary saw what he saw. Sandusky resigned for no apparent reason in 1999. It doesn't a genius to figure out why.

[elysiantraveller]

I can't believe what you are saying.

Would you feel the same if your son were one of those raped?

Would you enjoy seeing them go on as though nothing whatsoever has happened, except being minus their 84 year old leader?

My son wasn't raped by the University of Penn State nor its football program. He was raped by a man who will spend the rest of his life in prison. He was enabled by a coach whose half-century legacy of greatness is now completely destroyed. Two members of the Administration who are now going to jail as well. A young man (McQueary) whose career is now effectively over. The President of a major a University with 95,000 students is now fired as well. With many more to come and rightly so...

There are plenty of people being punished and more to come but shouldn't there at least be an effort made to make sure those who suffer actually did something wrong?...

I'm sure I'm still missing the point...

[elysiantraveller]

Thanks- you have identified yourself as a fool.

Thanks you didn't answer the question... Ray Lewis committed and/or covered up a murder. Maybe you shouldn't root for him anymore. All for the sake of consistency of course.

[Canarsie]

My son wasn't raped by the University of Penn State nor its football program. He was raped by a man who will spend the rest of his life in prison. He was enabled by a coach whose half-century legacy of greatness is now completely destroyed. Two members of the Administration who are now going to jail as well. A young man (McQueary) whose career is now effectively over. The President of a major a University with 95,000 students is now fired as well. With many more to come and rightly so...

There are plenty of people being punished and more to come but shouldn't there at least be an effort made to make sure those who suffer actually did something wrong?...

I'm sure I'm still missing the point...

You are missing the point.

First off how do you know this is the end of the story even though I wish it was. Could there be even a 1% chance that somebody on the team saw something similar to what McQueary did? Can you say that with conviction because I sure can't

They'll be playing in a football game where 99.9 percent of the nation will be rooting against them and their moronic fans who rioted. Is that how you want to be remembered? Do you want to play a road game where you will be taunted and hated every second your on the field?


Here read this and see how many people around this country this mess has affected.

While this has nothing to do with the players it's reason enough not to let them play.

Privilege is Protected ... PENN STATE and its Athletic Department gets an EPIC FAIL

http://mountainfirefall.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/11/8755233-privilege-is-protected-penn-state-and-its-athletic-department-gets-an-epic-fail

I feel like throwing up ten times over that's how disgusting this whole thing is. The last thing I would to see or hear especially about winning is the words Penn State!!!


You would think they would have the decency to donate the proceeds to a charity that helps children like these wouldn't you? No it's about the almighty buck they don't really care. All that matters is image and money. Oh btw the money is dirty how can they keep a single penny?

[iceknight]

Yes... by punishing student athletes who were in junior high when this happened... makes sense.

A young man (McQueary) whose career is now effectively over.



Very cute. That "young man" could acted as an adult at 28. Wait, he grew up around Penn State where he was taught to the do the "right thing" by JoePa. He wanted to be head coach one day... so he should have acted as a leader would.. he did not.

he can always get some jobs in construction etc. he is well built.

[elysiantraveller]

You are missing the point.

First off how do you know this is the end of the story even though I wish it was. Could there be even a 1% chance that somebody on the team saw something similar to what McQueary did? Can you say that with conviction because I sure can't

They'll be playing in a football game where 99.9 percent of the nation will be rooting against them and their moronic fans who rioted. Is that how you want to be remembered? Do you want to play a road game where you will be taunted and hated every second your on the field?

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying though is if these kids still want to go out and play they should be allowed to. Many of them have worked their whole lives to be a part of what they have done on the field so far and to take that away from them is simply unfair. '

The courts are going to take care of anyone involved in this atrocity and the ones it can't will suffer a similar if not worse fate in the court of public opinion. There are currently over 100,000 people currently affiliated with the University... they are not all guilty nor deserve punishment. If they want to play let them play.

You say life is unfair well thats all good and fine but its blatantly obvious those players have done nothing wrong so why should they suffer? To appease an angry public? To what end? At what point do you go from seeking justice to being reactionary?

[elysiantraveller]

Very cute. That "young man" could acted as an adult at 28. Wait, he grew up around Penn State where he was taught to the do the "right thing" by JoePa. He wanted to be head coach one day... so he should have acted as a leader would.. he did not.

he can always get some jobs in construction etc. he is well built.

I'm not defending him at all so I'm not sure what point you want to make.

[Grits]

You say life is unfair well thats all good and fine but its blatantly obvious those players have done nothing wrong so why should they suffer? To appease an angry public? To what end? At what point do you go from seeking justice to being reactionary?

Somehow, I don't believe the nationwide public, the universities and student bodies whom they will face in these final games away from home, the court system, the U.S.Dept. of Education, and the NCAA are going to share your opinion.

One doesn't ignore the elephant in the living room. Something that you may be grossly underestimating the size of. If one's not mistaken, its magnitude and its ability to reach has shown to be far greater than the paltry 100,000 who you seem to believe, should not be penalized, but instead, be allowed to benefit . . . can't wait until the show goes on the road . . . to see them enter the stadium, break through their banner, players and coaches, all. Maybe you didn't read the essay on "Epic Fail" in its entirety; privilege and consequences being pretty closely interwoven. Everyone else here is not mistaken, as you seem to feel.

Security is supposed to be tremendous at tomorrow's game. We all wish security had been on call when Sandusky was raping these children. If they win the national title, won't that be icing on the cake? All will surely be forgiven then, huh?

At risk children can't bring down, WE ARE PENN STATE. No way they should dare think themselves capable. But . . . with all of those bodies I mentioned in the first paragraph, collectively ruling, let's hope they can.

[llegend39]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees


Finally a voice of reason

[Canarsie]

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying though is if these kids still want to go out and play they should be allowed to. Many of them have worked their whole lives to be a part of what they have done on the field so far and to take that away from them is simply unfair. '

The courts are going to take care of anyone involved in this atrocity and the ones it can't will suffer a similar if not worse fate in the court of public opinion. There are currently over 100,000 people currently affiliated with the University... they are not all guilty nor deserve punishment. If they want to play let them play.

You say life is unfair well thats all good and fine but its blatantly obvious those players have done nothing wrong so why should they suffer? To appease an angry public? To what end? At what point do you go from seeking justice to being reactionary?

I understand what you are saying and it's a point of view that could be debated most time just not this one.

First off they are guaranteed a scholarship not a right to play a single down. So if the higher ups who still have morals and not thinking on monetary needs could cancel the game with no backlash. Pete Rozelle (mhrip) has always stated not canceling the games after JFK's best was his worse mistake and will live with him forever.

Just think how many people who don't know a thing about football around the world have asked one word. "WHY"?"

Just think 60 years where hardly a sole could say anything bad about Paterno has turned into a blazing fire in six days, I really hope I'm wrong but now there are reports coming out of Texas and who knows where else.

When something goes wrong in our great country the commander in chief get the blame and rightfully so. Paterno had no boss except in title. When they tried to fire him in 2004 his response was basically "take a hike" he was running the show.


Next to the Munich massacre this is the second most horrific thing to happen in the world of sports. Both had nothing to do with playing games but with far reaching effects on more people then a final score.

I have a solution that wouldn't be done but would be acceptable to me. Every cent from that game including to what gets distributed to all the Big 10 schools goes into a fund to inform parents what to tell their kids at a very young age. This would be done at a local and national scale including print media and a large dose of television. Nothing could be more than worthwhile than that and under those conditions I could actually say "play the game".

About the only good (really there is NO good) thing is that I'm sure millions of parents have sat doen with their sons and daughters and said something along these lines. 'If ANYONE ever touches you and you feel uncomfortable tell them to stop. Leave that place immediately and call mom or dad. If it's mom or dad call the police. If someone even talks to you in a way that you don't understand call us immediately. Your our son or daughter, we love you very much, and never want to see you harmed".

I heard on the radio one top recruit pulled off his schoilarship after this broke. NOBODY in their right mind would want to play for them so what does the future seasons mean?

In closing if Penn State canceled the games they would be looked at in a slightly improved light for doing the "right" thing. The healing process would being much earlier then if they played.

I usually never do this but " I hope God is looking out for these children and parents who are affected by such sinister people.

[Canarsie]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees


Finally a voice of reason

Well even though most knew your position beforehand lets confirm it.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands-down, no contest every time."

At least now I know what Franco Harris and you would do if you (God forbid) saw a woman raped, child molested, or some other life threatening situation. Nothing since he thinks Paterno is heads and high water above people defending and reporting it.

You can have Franco Harris as a friend you two deserve each other. I will stand with the people who think "children comes first".

[Robert Goren]

If the raping of young boys after 2002 had stopped, a case for a certain amount of forgiveness could mustered not reporting it. But it didn't. How many boys were raped because the inaction of these people.? As far I am concerned they are as guilty as the rapist for every rape that occurred after 2002. If they had acted as they should have some of the victims would have been spared.
To make it even sadder, the enablers have not even expressed one sign of remorse for what they did. They seemed to focused how they can get out this mess with the least damage to themselves.

[Robert Goren]

If anyone thinks that Paterno has ounce of integrity, they have been decieved. If nothing else comes of this case, it has exposed one biggest phonies in the history of college football. People like Franco Harris should stop and think about what fools they are when they say things like that

[Marshall Bennett]

This is an awful stain that will stay with Penn St. forever. How anyone with even an ounce of moral fiber can condone what went on there amazes me. All involved in covering up this horrible crime including Paterno should go down and serve the maximum. It's a terrible shame that our society has sunk to the level where there are those that think this is okay and poor Paterno is being mistreated. He's a rat like the rest of those involved and deserves to be punished like the rest of them. Shame on those at Penn St. that are sympathetic towards him. They're just part of the rat's nest.
Personally, I never was a fan of Penn St. football anyway. Something about their program never smell right, and long before this happened.
Well, they're in a world of shit now. Hope they adjust to the smell there because they'll likely be there a while, if not forever.

[Valuist]

Franco Harris= pathetic, brain dead moron.

What's even worse is one former player, some old guy from the 50s, trying to get money together for Sandusky's defense. All I can say is, if you haven't read the full grand jury report I posted earlier in this thread, read it and then you will realize there is NO defending any of these living tumors.

[Tom]

This is why Penn's football program should be blown-up! Lives of those victimized should matter to all of us and its an important message to all that such conduct will never be tolerated.

What happened here is pure evil

Agree 100% - Penn state should be denied a male football program for 10 years.

[thaskalos]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees


Finally a voice of reason
God help us if we have to run to a "confidant" for advice, when we see a 10-year old kid getting raped by a 60 year old man.

[woodtoo]

IMHO They should end their season NOW.

[cj's dad]

When the kickoff takes place in 20 minutes or so, the culmination of a total disgrace will begin.

FUPSU

[Marshall Bennett]

Agree 100% - Penn state should be denied a male football program for 10 years.
SMU got the death penalty for a whole lot less. While folks will say, well it wasn't the players at Penn St. at fault, the same could have been said with the players at SMU at the time their penalty was handed down. They were still in high school.
It's too bad their game today is even televised, and I hope the Huskers give them their worse beating ever. Would only seem appropriate.

[keilan]

This post might help the Franco Harris's of the world understand.....

These ****ing cowards acted like they had seen someone smoking a cigarette in a non-smoking building and went and told their dads or their supervisor. This a serious, serious crime, and one of the most heinous and disgusting crimes imaginable.

And Franco Harris sounds like a God damn idiot and would do well to never speak in public again. "Why would they bring the moral into the legal? Now, everyone gets to interpret in their own way. That's what really bothers me: Joe did what was right for him to do. He forwarded the information to his superiors. That's the legal procedure at Penn State." Really, idiot? Why bring the moral into the legal? Um, pretty sure that's what most of our laws are based on.

For example, murder is illegal because it is MORALLY wrong. Same with rape, which is what we're talking about here. And the "legal procedure at Penn State?" Again asshat, the legal procedure at Penn State doesn't trump the legal procedure of the state.

Sandusky and the boys will learn that soon enough. My hope is that Sandusky gets the chair and that several others get prison time.

[Marshall Bennett]

And by the way....all those kids in the stands wearing those Joe Paterno sweat shirts need to go back to grade school and learn some moral values.
Fkn idiots!!!

[Grits]

Damage control is hard at work by alums and students. Reactions are more effective when not tearing down property and yelling outside JoePa's residence. Hindsight being 20/20 and all.

Good luck in turning things around so quickly; impressing those bodies and departments I spoke of around 2am this morning.

http://rainn.org/ProudPSUforRAINN

Also, today's game will not see as many navy Penn State sweatshirts as students and alums will be wearing their newly printed, newly purchased, STOP CHILD ABUSE tshirts, which sold for $9.95 which after cost, all proceeds will go to Prevent Child Abuse PA.

BLUE OUT TSHIRT: McLanahan's will have a "Stop Child Abuse, Blue Out Nebraska" tshirt on sale for $9.99 in their stores and online. 100% of the proceeds made (after costs) will go to Prevent Child Abuse PA. Thanks, McLanahan's! http://www.pennstateroom.com/product-detail/2973

-->If purchasing merchandise from another store with blue ribbons on it, please make sure that tall the proceeds are being given to charity.

In light of the numerous counts of alleged sexual abuse recently charged against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, wear blue to the Nebraska game to support the victims of child abuse worldwide. The Blue Ribbon Campaign against child abuse began 22 years ago and is recognized across the country. In addition to being the color of our team's home game jerseys, blue represents the color of bruises that have too often been neglected. Let's make national news for our collective actions to show solidarity with both the victims and our fellow classmates on the field. Even if you can't make the game, feel free to "attend" this event by wearing blue wherever you may be! We do not have to wait until THON to prove that Nittany Lions remain “For The Kids.” On November 12, make it a blue-out.

Statistics: It is estimated that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will have experienced an episode of sexual abuse while younger than 18 years. The numbers of boys affected may be falsely low because of reporting techniques (Botash, Ann, MD, Pediatric Annual, May, 1997).

Penn State athletics is now officially supporting the blue out!
http://www.gopsf.com/gopsf.html#/vault/all/231

UPDATES: A special thank you to the Panhellenic Council, College Republicans, College Democrats, College Independents, LION fm, the Blue & White Society, Paternoville, the Graduate Art Education Student Association, McLanahan's, ARHS, the GSA, 93.7 The Bus, WRSC, Majic 99, Froggy 101, and ESPN Radio for their support! Only together can we stand united with our fellow classmates and teammates.

For the media-- press release: http://bit.ly/rp0iKY

[keilan]

Has the thought occurred to anyone else - what would have to happen for Penn to cancel a season? What series of actions could be more vile, more evil that the decent people of the area would say "that's enough"!

I would love to know under what scenario a season or football program would be cancelled. I'm thinking a plane crash with no survivors............

[Grits]

From the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/us/on-college-campuses-athletes-often-get-off-easy.html?hp

Something is terribly, terribly wrong on college campuses nationwide. University police have no voice, not when they can be silenced by the men that run those universities.

I'm sorry to say this, gentlemen, this has been one of the worst weeks, if not the worst, I recall in my adult life as news events go, reading and observing mankind, the violation of other human beings. Again, I should never, ever have read the graphic grand jury report.

Never in my life, have I been weary of the opposite sex. Never have I been disappointed, despondent towards men. Never until now.

This world is made for and run by males. It has been since the beginning of time, it always will be--whether its a game, a university, a corporation, a Congress, a country, law enforcement or any governing body. And too, a home. As women we fair well, if we stay in line. Children do, as well, when they have a female and a male who are, both, committed to protecting them from harm. Its much harder for the single parent household, still, it works with the love for one's children that exist everyday.

This is hard to voice, still, the dominance, the difference, the entitlement, the focus--all have never before appeared as overwhelming. It has been devastating. :( I hope something makes this feeling pass.:(

[llegend39]

Good- Karma What u get for firing Joe Pa
now lose the next 99 games
recruits dropping like flies

[llegend39]

Well even though most knew your position beforehand lets confirm it.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands-down, no contest every time."

At least now I know what Franco Harris and you would do if you (God forbid) saw a woman raped, child molested, or some other life threatening situation. Nothing since he thinks Paterno is heads and high water above people defending and reporting it.

You can have Franco Harris as a friend you two deserve each other. I will stand with the people who think "children comes first".

You know what me,Joe Pa ,and Franco Harris have in common-WE DIDNT SODOMIZE ANYONE!
Sandusky is the criminal
Mcqueary the creep and coward(whys this guy getting paid?)
Joe Pa the fall guy
Rush to judgement

[bigmack]

Good- Karma What u get for firing Joe Pa
now lose the next 99 games
recruits dropping like flies
The possibility of it being Karma is very real but it has little to do with firing that obstruction of justice. You clearly have an obstruction to lucid thinking if you're bent on JP getting fired.

[newtothegame]

Good- Karma What u get for firing Joe Pa
now lose the next 99 games
recruits dropping like flies
Sad state that we live in today when post like this happen.
Forget the victims, forget the life long troubles most of these individuals will have, forget all of the above....
You wish to raise Joe Pa to some status. The guy is not worthy to walk down a street now yet somehow he still garners respect from you and others...AMAZING!

[Canarsie]

You know what me,Joe Pa ,and Franco Harris have in common-WE DIDNT SODOMIZE ANYONE!
Sandusky is the criminal
Mcqueary the creep and coward(whys this guy getting paid?)
Joe Pa the fall guy
Rush to judgement


Maybe you didn't we will agree with that part.

Sure Paterno did he told Sandusky don't bring any children onto school property. He let criminal acts continue so his legacy could continue. For over TEN FREAKING YEARS!!! I hope his entire net worth goes to each and every victim that could have been prevented if he said something.


No investigation was launched and Sandusky was told not to bring children on campus, which would imply “just don’t do it under our watch on university property.” No attempt was made to find the boy.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/11/2496842/stubborn-loyalty-was-joe-paternos.html

The only thing you three have in common is no morals or decency to recognize such an egregious act.

The only thing that matters to you is football that's so sickening. It took you all this time to come up with one person who would say something positive. Of course it's a Penn State graduate the rest of the country is wrong.

[cj's dad]

Good- Karma What u get for firing Joe Pa
now lose the next 99 games
recruits dropping like flies

It wiil never happen but may the old bastard rot in jail- JP=POS

[porchy44]

Punish those that are guilty, not those that had nothing to do with the crime.

[cj]

Doing nothing, while knowing, is not the same as doing nothing wrong.

[PaceAdvantage]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees


Finally a voice of reasonYou've got to be kidding me. A 28-year-old MAN sees another MAN doing one of the most UNSPEAKABLE CRIMES ever imagined to a TEN YEAR OLD KID, and some here are rationalizing away the fact this 28-year-old MAN did NOTHING to stop this UNSPEAKABLE CRIME in PROGRESS, PLUS he didn't even dial 911 or go to the POLICE?

He instead called his FATHER who told him to GO HOME?

WHAT?

WHAT?

And then when this 28-year-old MAN finally DID decided to actually tell someone of this UNSPEAKABLE CRIME, that someone ALSO did not call 911 or go to the POLICE, but instead, TOLD SOMEBODY ELSE.

Great.

Anyone who tries to rationalize away what this 28-year-old MAN did and more importantly, DID NOT DO when confronted with such an UNSPEAKABLE CRIME should have their head examined. Same goes for anyone who tries to rationalize away what Paterno did and more importantly, what he DID NOT DO...

I believe there is so much more to this story. I believe this Sandusky had some serious dirt on a lot of the goings on at Penn State, and THAT'S why nobody called 911 on that sick piece of shit.

[PaceAdvantage]

Punish those that are guilty, not those that had nothing to do with the crime.Paterno and McQueary are guilty. And you know why they are guilty?

Because if either of them goes straight to the police, as they should have, NO OTHER BOYS WOULD HAVE BEEN CONFRONTED BY THAT SICK PIECE OF SHIT MONSTER from that point onward.

BUT, because they chose NOT to go to the police, that SICK PIECE OF SHIT MONSTER no doubt brought his own personal brand of HORROR to other unsuspecting innocent boys that he came into contact with on a daily basis.

Both Paterno and McQueary could have been the hero that saved lots of other boys from the horror of what went on in the showers with Sandusky.

But they chose to pass the buck. And even after passing the buck, and SEEING THAT NOTHING HAPPENED to Sandusky, THEY STILL never went to the police!

If Sandusky went on to rape more boys (and he no doubt has since 2002), then how can you say Paterno and McQueary and anyone else who knew are not guilty?

It's called accessory after the fact.

[keilan]

Punish those that are guilty, not those that had nothing to do with the crime.

Okay porchy, lets try this - whenever you think about the present situation at Penn State you start with a 57 year old man forcing his penis into your 10 year old butt – every word that you read or hear about this case starts with someone of authority and power ******* your ass. Have you got the visual yet? Because that is your filter from now on!!

This is about a program that has failed at every level – McQueary witnessed a 10 yo boy being sodimized and choose to walk away, this was a former QB of Penn State who the great Paterno had mentored to lead. Really that act of cowardice should tell you all you need to know about Paterno. He didn’t build character, he didn’t produce leaders, he was the beneficiary of some talented kids who were hunger for a place in the show that understood x’s and o’s.

Are you still with me porchy? This outrage isn’t about some freshmen taking snaps, it’s about children that are having their lives destroyed by a pedophile and everyone in authority turning a blind eye..

porchy stick with the filter – some grey haired 57 year old man forcing his penis into your 10 year old butt. Let’s fast forward 10 years and some of the allegations begin to come out. Ohh but the game must be played, too much $$$ are at stake, see porchy your 10 year old butt means absolutely nothing just like the 100 boys before you, how you feeling porchy? What’s the cost of one mans perversion?

Everything that the university is supposed to stand for is just a big façade, there is no honor, no respect, no glory on which this institution was built. More like smoke and mirrors. You wanna honor that then be my guest!

After reading the grand jury report I would have burnt the fuc*** place to the ground and used the space to remind everyone of the atrocities that had occurred here and that never again will any institution of higher learning ever tolerate anything of this magnitude again!

Hey porchy you want to feel sorry for Paterno, the man who wouldn’t raise a hand to save children? That’s you hero? You still have that filter on!

How’s your ass feeling – just saying

[porchy44]

After reading the grand jury report I would have burnt the fuc*** place to the ground and used the space to remind everyone of the atrocities that had occurred here and that never again will any institution of higher learning ever tolerate anything of this magnitude again!

I will let the above statement speak for itself.

Actually all I was talking about was the current players, students, and teachers. NOT Paterno, Mccreary or administration.

I will say this crazy sentence again. "Punish the guilty NOT the innocent".

[Canarsie]

I really don't root for a particular football team but Nebraska has a warm spot in my heart for now on. This is coming from the coach who won the game.


Jay Paterno also disagreed with Nebraska Coach Bo Pelini, who said after the game that he thought it should not have been played. “The fact is kids were hurt,” Pelini said. “That’s a lot bigger than football, the N.C.A.A. or the Big Ten. I think it’s all about the young kids and educating them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/sports/for-paternos-son-a-final-and-emotional-home-game.html

[iceknight]

I'm not defending him at all so I'm not sure what point you want to make.
You were commenting that a "young man's" career was over..
Do you realize that this "young man", in order to protect his career, failed in saving the LIFE of a young 11 year old boy when he could have clearly done so in 2002 by calling the police. Are you worried about this young man's career??
Keep in mind, Grand Jury findings (and witness accounts) are under sworn testimony, So at least the fact that he saw a child being raped is a clear admission by him of his personal failure to act properly (which is to prevent the act and then call the police). These are the guys who were taught to the do "the right thing" by JOE PA<<-- the great educator of men, blah blah blah blah. :mad:


Gradn Jury Report (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/20111106-pennstate-document.html) (read page 6)

[iceknight]

I really don't root for a particular football team but Nebraska has a warm spot in my heart for now on. This is coming from the coach who won the game.


Jay Paterno also disagreed with Nebraska Coach Bo Pelini, who said after the game that he thought it should not have been played. “The fact is kids were hurt,” Pelini said. “That’s a lot bigger than football, the N.C.A.A. or the Big Ten. I think it’s all about the young kids and educating them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/sports/for-paternos-son-a-final-and-emotional-home-game.html

That is certainly nice of Bo Pellini. In reality though, Nebraska should have not visited, citing security constraints after seeing what the 3000-5000 students at Penn State did (newsflash: I study here right now in grad school and I have seen the mob act out crazy like this many times here now) and rioted. they think it is cool to "riot" and pull down street signs etc or jump on parked cars". On two occasions, I have stopped drunk students from pulling down STOP signs.

But that is NOTTHING when compared to their "WE ARE BEST, WE ARE PROUD ATTITUDE" ALL BASED solely on a stupid football program - which for all their pride, has not actually Won a (mythical) national title in over 15-18 years now. So, in reality, they actually suck at football and then it is the football related people that act the MOST entitled.

If Nebraska had boycotted the game, it would have brought NCAA into the picture squarely and correct justice would have been served. College football is entertainment now, it is not some "learning/education" experience for 125 students and certainly not for 43 000 other main campus students.

Jay Paterno is very very fortunate that he never had to spend time with Sandusky in the Lasch football building locker room showers- alone at 10 pm at night, when he was the age of 10-12.. Instead of saying that out aloud, he is whining that his "papa" did not get to coach.

Ok, I am super pissed off with this issue still, so there may be typos and bad grammar in the post.

[Augie16]

Actually Joe Pa may have spent some time in the shower with Sandusky. There was a letter in Saturday's Centre County Times by an ex GA who has stated that it was a ritual that the entire coaching staff showered together after each practice and game.

[Rookies]

I will let the above statement speak for itself.

Actually all I was talking about was the current players, students, and teachers. NOT Paterno, Mccreary or administration.

I will say this crazy sentence again. "Punish the guilty NOT the innocent".

Over the past few days, I've tried to think of the relative tragedy of this story in the entire sports history that I've witnessed. I am nonly been able to say that the Munich Massacre surpassed it. It has virtually no parallel for the sickening length and breadth.

Of course, there is an order of punishment here. Obviously, at the top is that POS Sandusky, who will find himself very fortunate to last until old age.

Next, there is BOTH McQueary & Paterno and those senior University officials. In my mind, they all need to be indicted for failure to report under the applicable anti- sexual abuse laws of Pennsyalvania.

Segue: "ENDING A YOUNG MAN'S CAREER" ?:mad: Could there be any further example of the extent that that damned money making machine football culture trumps common deceny, common sense and doing the right thing?

ANY Coach associated with that staff before 2002 needs to be intsensely interviewed about their knowledge in any of the events surrounding Sandusky. Especially, all of the ones who had a good laugh about the "Sandusky Ice Cream". If any are found to know any of thesedetails and again... failed to report... they need to be axed too!

Finally and before all the trials and lawsuits, commence, there is the matter of what should be done to PSU. The University simply don't get a free pass here. It aided and abetted through its highest ranking officials, as serial pedohile monster.

In life, it needs to be punished. The Football Program needs to be iced for several years by the NCAA as a lesson for all time as to the appropriate seriousness of the issue.

And the focus of the $50 million profit per year football machine should be on those abused by Sandsuky and on child abuse itself!

[Ocala Mike]

Never in my life, have I been weary of the opposite sex. Never have I been disappointed, despondent towards men. Never until now.

This world is made for and run by males.


Sorry you feel this way about ALL men, Grits, but it's certainly understandable. Whether you like him or not, Bill Maher had an observation the other night on his show. Something along the lines of "bad shit like this happens in domains where there is an absence of women exerting influence, like football locker rooms and the Middle East."

Seems like testosterone is a powerful drug, and can easily be abused. God created woman so that the human species didn't all wind up killing each other, I guess (yet).


Ocala Mike

[badcompany]

I couldn't believe the announcers/water carriers on ESPN, during the game, talking about the healing process beginning.

Before any healing can take place, there needs to be a Federal investigation into Sandusky's Foundation and its connections to Penn State.

[lamboguy]

over 50% of all women take anti depressant pills or anxiety pills. i think the hatred for this dastardly act should be more directed towards women for producing offspring with deformed brains.

[bigmack]

over 50% of all women take anti depressant pills or anxiety pills. i think the hatred for this dastardly act should be more directed towards women for producing offspring with deformed brains.
What kind of warped world do you live in?

Try and back-up that 50% figure with ANY credible source. You won't find anything over 10. Besides that, your premise is SERIOUSLY flawed.

Why interject such idiocy?

[Ocala Mike]

over 50% of all women take anti depressant pills or anxiety pills. i think the hatred for this dastardly act should be more directed towards women for producing offspring with deformed brains.

What, no emoticon for that? You can't be serious, can you? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


Ocala Mike

[lamboguy]

What, no emoticon for that? You can't be serious, can you? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


Ocala Mike
we are in a very sick society. i don't think that god wanted people to take pills because they can't deal with the pressure's of life. these pills have terrible side effects that no one knows how much damage they do to human's. why should women take anxiety pills and plan on having children to begin with?

i am sure sandusky's mother took some type of pills.

[bigmack]

we are in a very sick society. i don't think that god wanted people to take pills because they can't deal with the pressure's of life. these pills have terrible side effects that no one knows how much damage they do to human's. why should women take anxiety pills and plan on having children to begin with?

i am sure sandusky's mother took some type of pills.
Thank you, Don Pardo. We'll throw your analysis on top of the voluminous scrap heap of other fanciful posts of yours. 'Course by 'fanciful' I mean, nuts.

[Robert Goren]

Just when I think I have heard everything, something like this pops up. Sandusky did these terrible things because his mother took anxiety pills. Give me a break. Jerry Sandusky was born in 1944. Did they even have them during WWII?

[lamboguy]

Thank you, Don Pardo. We'll throw your analysis on top of the voluminous scrap heap of other fanciful posts of yours. 'Course by 'fanciful' I mean, nuts.
i think you ought to stick to politics

[bigmack]

i think you ought to stick to politics
Sure, Bub.

Don't be so hard on prescription medications. Preliminary indications show you could use a pile of Skittles just to clear up some thinking issues.

Won't be long now, you'll be in home and hear over the intercom "Time for your Skittles."

If those don't work on you, they'll think of something.

http://blog.timesunion.com/mdtobe/files/2011/03/cuckonest64.jpg