View Full Version : Who Should Be 2011 HOTY?
Casino
11-05-2011, 07:11 PM
????
horses4courses
11-05-2011, 07:14 PM
Zenyatta
andtheyreoff
11-05-2011, 07:16 PM
Havre de Grace.
Does anyone even care this year?
Casino
11-05-2011, 07:18 PM
Zenyatta
:lol: classic
Some_One
11-05-2011, 07:21 PM
HDG probably, could make a case for Game on Dude.
And, in a year like this, the year isn't over.
Zippy Chippy
11-05-2011, 07:27 PM
Really stink AK never came back
Really stink AK never came back
Why? I doubt he was making much noise. Just my opinion of course.
cpitt84
11-05-2011, 07:30 PM
Just a really disappointing performance by HDG and uncle mo.
And with Goldikova losing, its been tough :(
v j stauffer
11-05-2011, 07:39 PM
My early gut feeling would be Game On Dude.
Casino
11-05-2011, 07:41 PM
If Union Rags wouldve won maybe he also had a case.
Zippy Chippy
11-05-2011, 07:42 PM
Why? I doubt he was making much noise. Just my opinion of course.
I like Animal Kingdom. I would have like to see him run in the Classic. Race was really dissapointing. Man, if i could have bet my worst horses every race I think I would have been a big winner. Drosselmeyer was my worse horse in the Classic! I can really pick em' :lol:
GregReinhart
11-05-2011, 07:43 PM
My Miss Aurelia
Zippy Chippy
11-05-2011, 07:43 PM
If Union Rags wouldve won maybe he also had a case.
What a race he ran! Looking forward to 2012
v j stauffer
11-05-2011, 07:44 PM
If Union Rags wouldve won maybe he also had a case.
Agree. Boy was he a mile the best.
MadWorld
11-05-2011, 07:46 PM
Game on Dude has the best case. G1 win at 10 f and 9 f and two seconds in G1's at 10 f. He also finished ahead of any horse with a HoTy argument in the Classic.
andtheyreoff
11-05-2011, 07:50 PM
The leading candidates:
1. Havre de Grace- Won Azeri (G3), Apple Blossom (G1), Obeah (G3), Woodward (G1), Beldame (G1)
2. Flat Out- Won Suburban (G2), Jockey Club Gold Cup (G1)
3. Game on Dude- Won Santa Anita Handicap (G1), Goodwood (G1)
4. Drosselmeyer- Won Breeders' Cup Classic (G1), One Count (L)
IMO, it's HDG in a landslide.
JustRalph
11-05-2011, 07:55 PM
Kittens Joy
nearco
11-05-2011, 07:55 PM
What about that horse out in Californy? He was pretty consistent all year.
Agree. Boy was he a mile the best.
Don't say that in the Hansen thread, you'll be schooled. MMMbop.
mannyberrios
11-05-2011, 07:57 PM
What about that horse out in Californy? He was pretty consistent all year.
Which one?
GregReinhart
11-05-2011, 07:57 PM
Acclimation
Bullet Plane
11-05-2011, 07:58 PM
Agreed. Looks like a landslide.
letswastemoney
11-05-2011, 08:01 PM
I'm 90% sure Havre de Grace has won HOTY. Game On Dude has done nothing to serve the sport, while Havre de Grace has sparked interest and won a couple of important races as well.
v j stauffer
11-05-2011, 08:02 PM
Just thought about it a little further. Game On Dude is a cinch to win.
Here's the one's that might beat him and reasons they won't.
My Miss Aurelia. Can't give it to a 2yo filly.
Union Rags. Best threat "IF" he had won. He didn't.
Hansen. No
Drosselmeyer. Only one Graded win won't do it. Might have if Game On Dude had finished far back.
HDG. Beat boys only once.
Flat Out. Couldn't beat the filly. Only 1 Grade 1.
Animal Kingdom, Stay Thirsty, Shackleford. None did enough and beat up on each other.
No turf horses except Acclamation. He skipped the BC. No No if you want an eclipse.
Game On Dude. Won 2 Grade 1's The Big Cap and the Goodwood. 2nd in the Breeders Cup Classic and Hollywood Gold Cup.
Winner winner.
OTM Al
11-05-2011, 08:04 PM
How bout we wait to ask that question for two more months? Seems to me the year has some time left with a few more top level races.
Simple Syrup
11-05-2011, 08:05 PM
I think Game On Dude will win it, but I'd be fine if they just decided not to award it and to give two next year.
Just thought about it a little further. Game On Dude is a cinch to win.
Here's the one's that might beat him and reasons they won't.
My Miss Aurelia. Can't give it to a 2yo filly.
Union Rags. Best threat "IF" he had won. He didn't.
Hansen. No
Drosselmeyer. Only one Graded win won't do it. Might have if Game On Dude had finished far back.
HDG. Beat boys only once.
Flat Out. Couldn't beat the filly. Only 1 Grade 1.
Animal Kingdom, Stay Thirsty, Shackleford. None did enough and beat up on each other.
No turf horses except Acclamation. He skipped the BC. No No if you want an eclipse.
Game On Dude. Won 2 Grade 1's The Big Cap and the Goodwood. 2nd in the Breeders Cup Classic and Hollywood Gold Cup.
Winner winner.
I would have no problem with him winning, but the truth is, the races he won this year just didn't the same weight as other years. He also has a few bad losses on his resume. Havre De Grace is a cinch. I'm not saying she should be, but she is.
How bout we wait to ask that question for two more months? Seems to me the year has some time left with a few more top level races.
I said that earlier, but honestly, what races are left that will matter. The Cigar Mile and maybe the Clark. I doubt any of the candidates are even pointed in that direction, but maybe that will change. I'd love to see Game On Dude at Aqueduct.
Cholly
11-05-2011, 08:26 PM
Here’s where the silliness begins. That so-called championships are determined by media employees (some with drinking problems, all with gambling problems) denigrates horse racing and lowers it into that echelon of beauty contest quasi-sports like figure skating, surfing, gymnastics, etc.
Real sports have champions determined objectively on the field of play. Isn’t it time for the Eclipse Awards to become eclipsed?
v j stauffer
11-05-2011, 08:38 PM
I would have no problem with him winning, but the truth is, the races he won this year just didn't the same weight as other years. He also has a few bad losses on his resume. Havre De Grace is a cinch. I'm not saying she should be, but she is.
I can't say you're wrong after last year. However, The only time they met. Today. Game On Dude outran her fair and square.
Casino
11-05-2011, 08:44 PM
Here’s where the silliness begins. That so-called championships are determined by media employees (some with drinking problems, all with gambling problems) denigrates horse racing and lowers it into that echelon of beauty contest quasi-sports like figure skating, surfing, gymnastics, etc.
Real sports have champions determined objectively on the field of play. Isn’t it time for the Eclipse Awards to become eclipsed?
Not a fair statement,not all have gambling problems.
Casino
11-05-2011, 08:51 PM
The leading candidates:
1. Havre de Grace- Won Azeri (G3), Apple Blossom (G1), Obeah (G3), Woodward (G1), Beldame (G1)
2. Flat Out- Won Suburban (G2), Jockey Club Gold Cup (G1)
3. Game on Dude- Won Santa Anita Handicap (G1), Goodwood (G1)
4. Drosselmeyer- Won Breeders' Cup Classic (G1), One Count (L)
IMO, it's HDG in a landslide.
Royal Delta?
nearco
11-05-2011, 09:02 PM
Here’s where the silliness begins. That so-called championships are determined by media employees (some with drinking problems, all with gambling problems) denigrates horse racing and lowers it into that echelon of beauty contest quasi-sports like figure skating, surfing, gymnastics, etc.
Real sports have champions determined objectively on the field of play. Isn’t it time for the Eclipse Awards to become eclipsed?
Yes, definitely, please.
The Eclipse awards are the greatest waste of space, both print and cyber. It amazes me that they mean so much to so many people. Like the fans and followers, I can kinda understand, but the connections? Charting their horse's campaigns with the end of the year HOY awards in mind? Like WTF?
I don't mind giving accolades when a certain horse(s) has an outstanding year. But a lot of the time there is no objective way to determine these things, esp in a year like this year.
So unless they are going to come up with some kind of objective points system (and even that would be problematic, unless it was retrospective) I say scrap the silly things.
PaceAdvantage
11-05-2011, 09:24 PM
Here’s where the silliness begins. That so-called championships are determined by media employees (some with drinking problems, all with gambling problems) denigrates horse racing and lowers it into that echelon of beauty contest quasi-sports like figure skating, surfing, gymnastics, etc.
Real sports have champions determined objectively on the field of play. Isn’t it time for the Eclipse Awards to become eclipsed?Are you still bitter that you never received your ballot?
imreallytrying
11-05-2011, 09:35 PM
acclamation . never know did not run in breeders cup races
OTM Al
11-05-2011, 09:37 PM
I said that earlier, but honestly, what races are left that will matter. The Cigar Mile and maybe the Clark. I doubt any of the candidates are even pointed in that direction, but maybe that will change. I'd love to see Game On Dude at Aqueduct.
Nice field of 14 letting it rip in 3 weeks for all the marbles would be pretty sweet at the Big A but a dream, not a reality I fear. The only reality is the silly season is on with any good ones that will be raced next year packed away and the rest off to breeding mediocrity. Half this field along with several from the dirt mile and sprint would be the race of the year. More I think of it, the less I really like this Breeders Cup thing.
v j stauffer
11-05-2011, 09:48 PM
Royal Delta?
She has a drinking problem. Saw her at simulcasting last night in the bag and firing on Delta Downs. Destined to be a member of the media. Like me.
Cholly
11-05-2011, 10:04 PM
Are you still bitter that you never received your ballot?
No, I've gotten over it.
I'm sure it was just an innocent oversight that will be rectified this year.
Phantombridgejumpe
11-05-2011, 10:35 PM
Black Caviar
jeebus1083
11-05-2011, 11:22 PM
Assuming nothing really changes between now and the end of the year (Cigar Mile/Clark Hdcp), my HOTY vote goes to Cape Blanco... 3 Grade 1 wins (Man O'War, Arlington Million, Joe Hirsch Turf Classic), and shipped across the pond 3X for each win. Would have been the favorite or one of the favorites for the BC Turf if he hadn't gotten hurt in the Hirsch. He might not have had the publicity blitz of Animal Kingdom, Uncle Mo, Havre de Grace, or Game On Dude, just to name a few, but he was probably one of the more consistent runners in this country. In a year where the dirt runners took turns beating each other, Cape Blanco seems like the most logical and deserving choice.
elysiantraveller
11-05-2011, 11:46 PM
Hell you could make a case for :eek: Caleb's Posse :eek: that's how great of a year it's been! :faint:
v j stauffer
11-05-2011, 11:47 PM
Assuming nothing really changes between now and the end of the year (Cigar Mile/Clark Hdcp), my HOTY vote goes to Cape Blanco... 3 Grade 1 wins (Man O'War, Arlington Million, Joe Hirsch Turf Classic), and shipped across the pond 3X for each win. Would have been the favorite or one of the favorites for the BC Turf if he hadn't gotten hurt in the Hirsch. He might not have had the publicity blitz of Animal Kingdom, Uncle Mo, Havre de Grace, or Game On Dude, just to name a few, but he was probably one of the more consistent runners in this country. In a year where the dirt runners took turns beating each other, Cape Blanco seems like the most logical and deserving choice.
Didn't run in the BC. Can't win.
Assuming nothing really changes between now and the end of the year (Cigar Mile/Clark Hdcp), my HOTY vote goes to Cape Blanco... 3 Grade 1 wins (Man O'War, Arlington Million, Joe Hirsch Turf Classic), and shipped across the pond 3X for each win. Would have been the favorite or one of the favorites for the BC Turf if he hadn't gotten hurt in the Hirsch. He might not have had the publicity blitz of Animal Kingdom, Uncle Mo, Havre de Grace, or Game On Dude, just to name a few, but he was probably one of the more consistent runners in this country. In a year where the dirt runners took turns beating each other, Cape Blanco seems like the most logical and deserving choice.
I guess he should be considered, but he would not have won the Turf, no doubt in my mind about that. Does he get rewarded for getting hurt?
Didn't run in the BC. Can't win.
That isn't true, we've seen it before.
MickJ26
11-06-2011, 12:00 AM
The 2011 Breeders Cup will be more remembered for who lost rather than who won in an otherwise very forgettable year in horse racing.
v j stauffer
11-06-2011, 12:04 AM
That isn't true, we've seen it before.
True we have. That was a very very rare occurance where an inconess. I like inventing new words, was rewarded for lifetime achievement. Cape Blanco is not likely to instill that kind of passion.
True we have. That was a very very rare occurance where an inconess. I like inventing new words, was rewarded for lifetime achievement. Cape Blanco is not likely to instill that kind of passion.
I was talking about Mineshaft and Holy Bull (maybe Point Given too?).
v j stauffer
11-06-2011, 12:17 AM
I was talking about Mineshaft and Holy Bull (maybe Point Given too?).
I understand it's happened before. Difference here is those guys were older dirt horses. Don't think you can go to another division AND not run in the BC.
I understand it's happened before. Difference here is those guys were older dirt horses. Don't think you can go to another division AND not run in the BC.
Hate to zing you again, but PG wasn't an older dirt horse. Charasmatic also fit the bill. Obviously, a few Triple Crown wins count for a lot.
But yes, I agree, he can't possibly win.
v j stauffer
11-06-2011, 12:21 AM
Hate to zing you again, but PG wasn't an older dirt horse. Charasmatic also fit the bill. Obviously, a few Triple Crown wins count for a lot.
But yes, I agree, he can't possibly win.
I think you know what I was getting at.
tbwinner
11-06-2011, 12:36 AM
What about Caleb's Posse? I'm serious! I know he didn't win at classic distance but he did win between 6F and 1 1/16 (I believe..)...he has been solid and well managed all year. The rest...not so much. This year, honestly, stunk.
tbwinner
11-06-2011, 12:57 AM
Why not CALEB'S POSSE?
nijinski
11-06-2011, 03:50 AM
So far Acclamation !
Despite missing the Cup .
Canarsie
11-06-2011, 06:58 AM
Real sports have champions determined objectively on the field of play. Isn’t it time for the Eclipse Awards to become eclipsed?
Do you ever look at who "wins" the Golden Glove in baseball?
If you don't like the Eclipse awards there is a simple solution for your problem. It's called the "remote" and you can power it off or switch the channel more quickly than replying in here.
Obviously some people watch it gets talked about and heated arguments ensue quite a few times.
FenceBored
11-06-2011, 07:26 AM
MMmmmBop, Bop, Bop. MmmBop, doobie doobie doo doo.
rastajenk
11-06-2011, 07:37 AM
Obviously some people watch it gets talked about and heated arguments ensue quite a few times.Which is good for the game. :ThmbUp:
classhandicapper
11-06-2011, 09:27 AM
Don't say that in the Hansen thread, you'll be schooled. MMMbop.
I just did. :lol:
classhandicapper
11-06-2011, 09:36 AM
I want to add one thing that's slightly off topic. Hopefully it won't blow up into another discussion even though I admit I am making a point.
I've been saying for a long time that it's extremely difficult for any filly/mare to beat Grade 1 older horses at 10F on dirt. According to my research it's the toughest move for a female to try to make against males. It's much easier sprinting, on turf, for 3YO fillies going against colts in spring and early summer etc.. for a variety of reasons.
IMHO HDG is a GREAT mare and had a spectacular season. Yesterday's Classic field was one of the weakest of all time. She ran 4th.
I think she deserves HOTY even though she's not the best horse at 10F.
cj's dad
11-06-2011, 09:59 AM
Rapid Redux - 17 for 17 this year. Perfect.
How many even run 17 times in one year ?
Shelby
11-06-2011, 10:58 AM
I voted for Havre De Grace.
Shelby
11-06-2011, 11:01 AM
Rapid Redux - 17 for 17 this year. Perfect.
How many even run 17 times in one year ?
I voted for Havre De Grace in the poll, but RR would be an interesting choice.
I wonder why they don't give RR a chance in a bigger race?
Kittens Joy
Excellent! :D
toussaud
11-06-2011, 11:43 AM
I think Game on dude has a very good case, but I have no problem with HDG winning it. She ran everywhere, showed up everywhere, and went out and tried to grab HOY. Did not duck Blind luck..
honestly i would have no problem with either. I could see the "open class grade 1's, and out ran her in the classic" argument winning or HDG's argument winning.
FenceBored
11-06-2011, 11:58 AM
Just thought about it a little further. Game On Dude is a cinch to win.
Here's the one's that might beat him and reasons they won't.
My Miss Aurelia. Can't give it to a 2yo filly.
Union Rags. Best threat "IF" he had won. He didn't.
Hansen. No
Drosselmeyer. Only one Graded win won't do it. Might have if Game On Dude had finished far back.
HDG. Beat boys only once.
Flat Out. Couldn't beat the filly. Only 1 Grade 1.
Animal Kingdom, Stay Thirsty, Shackleford. None did enough and beat up on each other.
No turf horses except Acclamation. He skipped the BC. No No if you want an eclipse.
Game On Dude. Won 2 Grade 1's The Big Cap and the Goodwood. 2nd in the Breeders Cup Classic and Hollywood Gold Cup.
Winner winner.
HOY for Lame-o Dude with just two graded wins on the year in seven attempts? :faint:
papillon
11-06-2011, 01:08 PM
HOY for Lame-o Dude with just two graded wins on the year in seven attempts? :faint:
i voted for game on dude:
1st in G1 big cap in 1:59.47
2nd in G3 charles town classic (beating tizway, tackleberry--the horse to beat in the first half of the year, awesome gem, and acclamation)
3rd G3 in lone star (losing to awesome gem and flat out)
2nd in G1 HGC (beating twirling candy) in 2:01.57
4th in G1 pacific classic (losing to acclamation, twirling candy) in 2:00.61
1st in G1 goodwood (beating awesome gem)
2nd in G1 BCC (beating flat out and HDG) in 2:04 and something
head to head with leading HOTY contenders:
FO--1:1, FO has won once at a mile and 1/4, GOD has won once at a mile a 1/4
HDG--1:0, HDG has never won at a mile and 1/4
Tizway--1:0 has never won at a mile and 1/4
Acclamation--1:1 has won at a mile and 1/4 3 times and 1 1/2 once this year
personally i feel that acclamation deserves HOTY more than any of the others, but i don't think he will even get champion turf, but i'm hoping for HDG to win it, cuz then all the nonsense and garbage about Z winning it will have to stop--all the arguments that were used to decry Z's win, will have to be set aside to give it to HDG. and that alone will be worth it!
but i don't think she'll win. HDG's problem is that she follows two female HOTY's, winning HOTY as a filly or mare is already more difficult, but to do so, I think she'd have had to be as good as or better than RA and Z, and she wasn't, she lost by 3-4 lengths and was never a factor in the race, and only beat males that GOD has trounced, but then again she's an east coast horse and it is almost as hard for west coast horses to win HOTY as it is for fillies and mares.
dansan
11-06-2011, 01:22 PM
GALILEO 142 winners,29 stake winners 16 million earnings LOL
FenceBored
11-06-2011, 02:04 PM
i voted for game on dude:
1st in G1 big cap in 1:59.47
2nd in G3 charles town classic (beating tizway, tackleberry--the horse to beat in the first half of the year, awesome gem, and acclamation)
3rd G3 in lone star (losing to awesome gem and flat out)
2nd in G1 HGC (beating twirling candy) in 2:01.57
4th in G1 pacific classic (losing to acclamation, twirling candy) in 2:00.61
1st in G1 goodwood (beating awesome gem)
2nd in G1 BCC (beating flat out and HDG) in 2:04 and something
head to head with leading HOTY contenders:
FO--1:1, FO has won once at a mile and 1/4, GOD has won once at a mile a 1/4
HDG--1:0, HDG has never won at a mile and 1/4
Tizway--1:0 has never won at a mile and 1/4
Acclamation--1:1 has won at a mile and 1/4 3 times and 1 1/2 once this year
personally i feel that acclamation deserves HOTY more than any of the others, but i don't think he will even get champion turf, but i'm hoping for HDG to win it, cuz then all the nonsense and garbage about Z winning it will have to stop--all the arguments that were used to decry Z's win, will have to be set aside to give it to HDG. and that alone will be worth it!
but i don't think she'll win. HDG's problem is that she follows two female HOTY's, winning HOTY as a filly or mare is already more difficult, but to do so, I think she'd have had to be as good as or better than RA and Z, and she wasn't, she lost by 3-4 lengths and was never a factor in the race, and only beat males that GOD has trounced, but then again she's an east coast horse and it is almost as hard for west coast horses to win HOTY as it is for fillies and mares.
Sorry, but California's Lame-O Dude (CLOD for short) just doesn't have the stuff. 2 wins for 7 attempts in graded company (including one 4th place finish beaten 4.25 lengths). Leaving aside yesterday, he lost to those three powerhouses of the paddock: First Dude, Duke of Mischief, and Awesome Gem.
Havre de Grace, strictly for contrast, has 5 wins for 7 attempts in graded company (including one 4th place finish beaten 3 lengths). Her two losses were to Blind Luck, a top-notch older female, and in the Classic yesterday. Additionally, the Woodward and the Classic both count as steps-up in class, so she gets the brownie points for the win and at least trying the more difficult spot this weekend.
Not saying I think HDG should get it (haven't begun to think about it), but CLOD while not a bad horse just isn't HOY material.
toussaud
11-06-2011, 02:08 PM
wow you really do not like Game on dude do you
FenceBored
11-06-2011, 02:29 PM
wow you really do not like Game on dude do you
:confused: What makes you say that?
Some_One
11-06-2011, 03:32 PM
I voted for Havre De Grace in the poll, but RR would be an interesting choice.
I wonder why they don't give RR a chance in a bigger race?
Same reason why Z didn't run in the Pacific Classic last year: protect the streak.
cpitt84
11-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Anyone else having problems viewing pages of bloodhorse? I've been trying since yesterday to view videos and news, yet every single time it says "internet cannot be displayed."
FenceBored
11-07-2011, 07:49 AM
Anyone else having problems viewing pages of bloodhorse? I've been trying since yesterday to view videos and news, yet every single time it says "internet cannot be displayed."
It's called trying to serve too much video for the servers/bandwidth to handle the demand.
iceknight
11-07-2011, 10:33 AM
:confused: What makes you say that?
It is sad you "act" confused with that icon. Clearly you showed your dislike for Game on Dude by referring to him as "lame o.. " it is pathetic of you to speak of an innocent animal in that way. If Game on Dude really finds out what you called him, I am sure he can give you a nice kick with his hindquarters as his response.
Now, with that out of the way, let us examine how many of HDG's 5 wins are against males. 1? Also, we all know how that "top notch" female Blind Luck performed recently in an all female horse race ...
I believe Acclamation deserves a better chance than HDG, Game on Dude is a good fighter but does not deserve Horse of the Year.
toussaud
11-07-2011, 10:47 AM
after sleeping on it, i would really like Game on Dude to win, but it will go to HDG. Then again I'm a big Game on Dude fan ever since he was 3.
Okay, after reading Equidaily, I think if game on dude or anyone for that matter, really wants HOY, they need to run in the clark or cigar mile.
after sleeping on it, i would really like Game on Dude to win, but it will go to HDG. Then again I'm a big Game on Dude fan ever since he was 3.
Okay, after reading Equidaily, I think if game on dude or anyone for that matter, really wants HOY, they need to run in the clark or cigar mile.
Cigar Mile for me. I don't think the Clark is a G1 any longer. Anything less than a G1 shouldn't carry much weight.
I believe Acclamation deserves a better chance than HDG, Game on Dude is a good fighter but does not deserve Horse of the Year.
I can't see giving Horse of the Year to a horse that would have been 30 to 1 in the Classic and 20 to 1 in the Turf had he shown up.
toussaud
11-07-2011, 10:59 AM
Cigar Mile for me. I don't think the Clark is a G1 any longer. Anything less than a G1 shouldn't carry much weight.
according to wikipedia it's a grade 1 this year. I know it was a grade 1 last year as it was giant oak's first grade 1 win
according to wikipedia it's a grade 1 this year. I know it was a grade 1 last year as it was giant oak's first grade 1 win
That should make it a G3 by default!
FenceBored
11-07-2011, 11:21 AM
It is sad you "act" confused with that icon. Clearly you showed your dislike for Game on Dude by referring to him as "lame o.. " it is pathetic of you to speak of an innocent animal in that way. If Game on Dude really finds out what you called him, I am sure he can give you a nice kick with his hindquarters as his response.
What's sad is that paragraph.
toussaud
11-07-2011, 12:28 PM
don't they have a race on the same day as the cigar mile for mares that's a grade 1? I am pretty sure a Godolphin horse won it last year.
my point being is that this is one of those years it's going to go down to December 31st, 2011 to figure out who HOY is. What if game on dude came back and won the malibu? or they shipped union rags to Hollywood park and he won the Hollywood Futurity
The Gazelle, 3yo only.
The also run the Fall Highweight, the the Top Flight, and the Demoiselle and the Remsen that weekend. The first is a G3, the others G2 I believe.
OTM Al
11-07-2011, 12:41 PM
The Gazelle, 3yo only.
The also run the Fall Highweight, the the Top Flight, and the Demoiselle and the Remsen that weekend. The first is a G3, the others G2 I believe.
That is all correct. Saturday 11/26 has the potential to be a big stakes day, but now since the year evidently ends after the BC, it is hit or miss
depalma113
11-08-2011, 06:28 AM
Since the criteria change last year to the horse that is most talked about, give it to Uncle Mo.
andtheyreoff
11-08-2011, 10:26 AM
I can't see giving Horse of the Year to a horse that would have been 30 to 1 in the Classic and 20 to 1 in the Turf had he shown up.
Really? Acclamation with the following resume going in:
1st Clement Hirsch Turf (G2)
1st Pacific Classic (G1)
1st Eddie Read (G1)
1st Charlie Whittingham (G1)
1st Jim Murray (G2)
That's 2 G1 wins on turf, 3 overall, and 2 G2s. He was even being talked about as a HOTY candidate before he was withdrawn. And you're saying he would've been 20/1 in the Turf? I find that preposterous.
iceknight
11-17-2011, 01:17 AM
Really? Acclamation with the following resume going in:
1st Clement Hirsch Turf (G2)
1st Pacific Classic (G1)
1st Eddie Read (G1)
1st Charlie Whittingham (G1)
1st Jim Murray (G2)
That's 2 G1 wins on turf, 3 overall, and 2 G2s. He was even being talked about as a HOTY candidate before he was withdrawn. And you're saying he would've been 20/1 in the Turf? I find that preposterous.
Who cares if he is 20-1 or 90-1 on turf of dirt. All it matter is the he beat the field, which that gritty horse has done several times..gate to wire..Maybe Drosselmeyer might have still finished him off... but since we don't know, we can just give it to Zenyatta again.. i mean come one.. she is pregnant too, isnt she?
ps: I also feel that some years they can say there was no *one* single HOTY..
Really? Acclamation with the following resume going in:
1st Clement Hirsch Turf (G2)
1st Pacific Classic (G1)
1st Eddie Read (G1)
1st Charlie Whittingham (G1)
1st Jim Murray (G2)
That's 2 G1 wins on turf, 3 overall, and 2 G2s. He was even being talked about as a HOTY candidate before he was withdrawn. And you're saying he would've been 20/1 in the Turf? I find that preposterous.
If you say so. He would have been that on my line for sure because he had no shot. After watching the race, I'm sure I'm right.
PhantomOnTour
11-17-2011, 08:49 AM
don't they have a race on the same day as the cigar mile for mares that's a grade 1? I am pretty sure a Godolphin horse won it last year.
my point being is that this is one of those years it's going to go down to December 31st, 2011 to figure out who HOY is. What if game on dude came back and won the malibu? or they shipped union rags to Hollywood park and he won the Hollywood Futurity
They run the Go For Wand (Gr2) for older mares the day before the Cigar Mile
They run the Go For Wand (Gr2) for older mares the day before the Cigar Mile
They also have the Gazelle, a G1, on Cigar day but it is for straight 3yos. The Go For Wand is replacing the Top Flight this year.
don't they have a race on the same day as the cigar mile for mares that's a grade 1? I am pretty sure a Godolphin horse won it last year.
my point being is that this is one of those years it's going to go down to December 31st, 2011 to figure out who HOY is. What if game on dude came back and won the malibu? or they shipped union rags to Hollywood park and he won the Hollywood Futurity
I'm not sure how I missed the second part of this post, but wow, do you even follow the game?
FenceBored
11-23-2011, 03:08 PM
Cigar Mile for me. I don't think the Clark is a G1 any longer. Anything less than a G1 shouldn't carry much weight.
Let's look at the fields drawn.
Cigar - highest graded stake won this year:
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Pretty Boy Freud -
Haynesfield -
Calibrachoa - [G3]
Hymn Book -
Caixa Eletronica - [G3]
To Honor and Serve - [G2]
Sangaree -
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Total 3/7 2011 Graded Stakes winners with 5 graded wins.
Clark
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Ruler on Ice - [G1]
Alma d'Oro -
Demarcation - [G3]
Stately Victor -
Mission Impazible [G3]
Flat Out - [G1]
Pleasant Prince -
Headache - [G2]
Mister Marti Gras - [G3]
Will's Wildcat -
Wise Dan - [G2]
Prayer for Relief - [G2]
General Quarters -
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Total: 8/13 2011 Graded Stakes winners with 14 graded wins.
Now which one looks more like a G1?
What if game on dude came back and won the malibu? or they shipped union rags to Hollywood park and he won the Hollywood Futurity
What is Zenyatta came back, ran in the Clark, dropped her foal on the backstretch, then came on late to win, just nipping her as yet unnamed foal on the wire.
Which one would get the vote?
You could make a case for either one.
Spalding No!
11-23-2011, 04:50 PM
What is Zenyatta came back, ran in the Clark, dropped her foal on the backstretch, then came on late to win, just nipping her as yet unnamed foal on the wire.
Which one would get the vote?
You could make a case for either one.
The foal would win HOY, of course. It lost the head-to-head.
The foal would win HOY, of course. It lost the head-to-head.
D'oh!
Yep, it came up very weak this year. I'm sure part of that is because of the uncertainty of the Eclipse Awards for 3yo, older horse, and even horse of the year. Neither one looks like a G1 to me to be honest, but this is what we get in 2011.
Let's look at the fields drawn.
Cigar - highest graded stake won this year:
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Pretty Boy Freud -
Haynesfield -
Calibrachoa - [G3]
Hymn Book -
Caixa Eletronica - [G3]
To Honor and Serve - [G2]
Sangaree -
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Total 3/7 2011 Graded Stakes winners with 5 graded wins.
Clark
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Ruler on Ice - [G1]
Alma d'Oro -
Demarcation - [G3]
Stately Victor -
Mission Impazible [G3]
Flat Out - [G1]
Pleasant Prince -
Headache - [G2]
Mister Marti Gras - [G3]
Will's Wildcat -
Wise Dan - [G2]
Prayer for Relief - [G2]
General Quarters -
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Total: 8/13 2011 Graded Stakes winners with 14 graded wins.
Now which one looks more like a G1?
classhandicapper
11-24-2011, 09:41 AM
I'm really interested to see how fast some of the horses out of the Classic run this time given all the reports that the track at CD was sticky and tiring and the time was very slow.
It wouldn't shock me if a few of them ran faster and few stayed about the same depending on their stamina and other qualities. If they all come back slow again, that will be quite a knock on that field.
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