DRF Access BC package.

[Casino]

I bought the BC advance package for Breeders Cup last night,it read it would be available 10/26 try this morning,to no avail,anyone else having this trouble?

[classhandicapper]

It doesn't seem to be available yet. I just tried the "Access Page" and I can't get to anything there or via Formulator.

[PhantomOnTour]

I don't think the pre-entries have actually been released yet, much less made available to us.
I think 11am central or noon central time was the target time to get them out.

[cj]

Pre-entries are released at 10, so I would imagine sometime after that.

[Casino]

It doesn't seem to be available yet. I just tried the "Access Page" and I can't get to anything there or via Formulator.

11:30 not yet.

[FenceBored]

11:30 not yet.

Patience, Grasshopper.

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[Casino]

Will be up in half hour,rep said it shouldve been up at 9 this morning they have been having tech issues.

[Casino]

Will be up in half hour,rep said it shouldve been up at 9 this morning they have been having tech issues.

Now 2:30,maybe we could have before the bredders cup.Never ends with drf.:rolleyes:

[Tom]

Which came first, the DRF Access Package or the HorsePlayer Magazine BD edition? :bang::D

I remember one year HP came in the mail three races into the BC card! :lol:

[Casino]

Which came first, the DRF Access Package or the HorsePlayer Magazine BD edition? :bang::D

I remember one year HP came in the mail three races into the BC card! :lol:

Why,Why? can you imagine on BC day what is going to be like downloading PPs from formulator.:lol: :lol:

[redshift1]

Which came first, the DRF Access Package or the HorsePlayer Magazine BD edition? :bang::D

I remember one year HP came in the mail three races into the BC card! :lol:


Before the internet I ordered Sports Eye PP's for Harness Racing, for some reason the Post Office would sit on them for days usually I could count on getting them about a week after the races were run. For same-day race results the only option was the Harness Racing Hotline.

[Casino]

Just spoke to a rep and asked for a refund and she told me "Sir you will recieved the package sometime today,if not give us a call tomorrow"...i asked for a refund not a story.:bang:

[PhantomOnTour]

If you go to Whobet's site you can get just about all the races for free in BRIS style....or i think you can buy them for $1 per day.
Equibase has them up for free also and they have Timeform ratings for the Euros, which i think BRIS does not.

I know you paid for the DRF kind but i left them last year over similar happenings.

[FenceBored]

Just spoke to a rep and asked for a refund and she told me "Sir you will recieved the package sometime today,if not give us a call tomorrow"...i asked for a refund not a story.:bang:

You asked for a refund because you didn't get the pre-entries' pps 9 days before the first race is run? :confused:

[cj]

I emailed BRIS to ask for a refund for the BC Special...I clicked on one link, no confirmation, no nothing, and was billed $25. I was just going to see what it was, not buy it. That was a week ago and I haven't heard a peep back. I'm sure they will fix it on the phone, but why bother having a customer service email?

[Casino]

You asked for a refund because you didn't get the pre-entries' pps 9 days before the first race is run? :confused:

FB,dont care for the pps they had offered a few others things that were interesting,thats not the point,the available date listed was 10/26 thats what i paid for.They always have issues wheher its shit like this or downloading pps from fromulator.There product is good but for there price they do have alot of tech issues.To some it matters to others no big deal.

[cj]

FB,dont care for the pps they had offered a few others things that were interesting,thats not the point,the available date listed was 10/26 thats what i paid for.They always have issues wheher its shit like this or downloading pps from fromulator.There product is good but for there price they do have alot of tech issues.To some it matters to others no big deal.


It is still 10/26, isn't it? I would wait until only11/26.

[cj]

They are up...at least the links are. They didn't actually take me to PPs yet.

[Casino]

It is still 10/26, isn't it? I would wait until only11/26.

Your right,shit happens.

[cj]

Looks like they are up under CD 27 and 28 on the Formulator Web version.

[Casino]

Looks like they are up under CD 27 and 28 on the Formulator Web version.

Cj what about the Brad Free report Crist Strageties,etc,i bought it for that reason have you found any of it?

[Leparoux]

Cj what about the Brad Free report Crist Strageties,etc,i bought it for that reason have you found any of it?
If you are going to use those opinions in your betting strategies... I would definitely wait for it!!!!

[cj]

Cj what about the Brad Free report Crist Strageties,etc,i bought it for that reason have you found any of it?

I didn't buy those, not interested.

[PhantomOnTour]

Cj what about the Brad Free report Crist Strageties,etc,i bought it for that reason have you found any of it?
Casino...i have seen your analysis on display and imo you don't need the advice of those guys to find good bets...not someone of your caliber...you do fine by yourself :ThmbUp:

Now, maybe you aren't a big P3 or P4 bettor and want some good ideas on ticket structure, or maybe you want some good info on Cali horses, but i think you can find all you need with pp's, replays and good form analysis!

[Casino]

Casino...i have seen your analysis on display and imo you don't need the advice of those guys to find good bets...not someone of your caliber...you do fine by yourself :ThmbUp:

Now, maybe you aren't a big P3 or P4 bettor and want some good ideas on ticket structure, or maybe you want some good info on Cali horses, but i think you can find all you need with pp's, replays and good form analysis!

Thanks POT,sometimes i like reading the material,workout reports,Cali info,who knows BC Day hasnt been kind ot me.BTW your selections have been real good lately keep it up.

[classhandicapper]

Casino,

I'm anxious to see the PPs etc.. also, but you have to learn to calm down and be a little more patient. It's not like we are going to get shut out. ;)

[jeebus1083]

Why are we getting excited about races that 1) have NOT even been drawn for post positions and 2) could be screwed up by the weather?

Just sayin'...

[Casino]

[QUOTE=jeebus1083]Why are we getting excited about races that 1) have NOT even been drawn for post positions and 2) could be screwed up by the weather?

Just sayin'...[/QUOTE

The anticipation is always better then the event itself.

[Delta Cone]

Why are we getting excited about races that 1) have NOT even been drawn for post positions and 2) could be screwed up by the weather?

Just sayin'...

Agreed. After about 15 years of always buying the advance PPs and over-handicapping the races to death, I am going to wait this year and only buy the final PPs next week.

Sometimes less is more... if I don't see a clear enough picture of the race after about 30 min of handicapping, I probably never will. It seems that maybe I have too much "paralysis by over-analysis" on the big racing days.

[jeebus1083]

Agreed. After about 15 years of always buying the advance PPs and over-handicapping the races to death, I am going to wait this year and only buy the final PPs next week.

Sometimes less is more... if I don't see a clear enough picture of the race after about 30 min of handicapping, I probably never will. It seems that maybe I have too much "paralysis by over-analysis" on the big racing days.

30 minutes??? That seems way too long. Then again, everyone handicaps differently. As for me, I generally can get a field narrowed down in 10-15 minutes when I'm focused, then the race becomes a betting proposition. Breeders' Cup involves a lot of focus, and it's that very focus that I am lacking at this time. It's important to be mentally sharp for these races.

[Tom]

I went and looked at the package -first thoughts - severely over-priced and not as much content as previous years.

I do not see any PDF PPs or F4 files yet....I have zero interest in WEb Formulator. Are they going to offer the older Formulator files? Anyone heard?

[cj]

I went and looked at the package -first thoughts - severely over-priced and not as much content as previous years.

I do not see any PDF PPs or F4 files yet....I have zero interest in WEb Formulator. Are they going to offer the older Formulator files? Anyone heard?

They are there, Churchill Oct 27-28

[Tom]

Duh.

Thanks CJ....

[Track Phantom]

If DRF had any class or gave a crap about their customers, they would offer the BC advance stuff for free to any member who ordered xxx amount over the past year. For example, if you spent $1k ordering their products over the past year...it's free. But--- not a chance as they wouldn't think of missing out of the last few strands of flesh off the carcas.

I basically pay $150 per month for unlimited formulator, which in all fairness is a great product, but vastly overpriced. You would think I wouldn't have to re-ante up for this product too. Oh well.....

[PaceAdvantage]

$150/mo for unlimited formulator seems a square price in today's marketplace, no? It compares favorably with HDW unlimited monthly subscriptions...

[Track Phantom]

$150/mo for unlimited formulator seems a square price in today's marketplace, no? It compares favorably with HDW unlimited monthly subscriptions...

I pay the $150 because I can't handicap without it. I know that and it is an expense I just factor in. However, how are fringe players ever going to take this game seriously with that kind of up front investment? With all the money, time and experience necessary to eek out a profit, or more likely lose, is it really worth it for those that might want to get involved in the game? I certainly wouldn't encourage it and that has a lot to do with how expensive the game can be before a bet is ever made.

I.e.----it's overpriced.

[jeebus1083]

I went and looked at the package -first thoughts - severely over-priced and not as much content as previous years.

I do not see any PDF PPs or F4 files yet....I have zero interest in WEb Formulator. Are they going to offer the older Formulator files? Anyone heard?

I purchased the Saratoga Players' Guide this summer, with advertisments of "previous year's winners books from 2008-2010" and "5 weekly updates with hot trainers" as the selling point.

How about NO winners books, and NO updates???

I voiced my displeasure with DRF, and got a free month of Simulcast Daily out of it.

Having said that, I'm skeptical of purchasing any special promo guide from DRF. As Clara Peller famously exclaimed, "where's the beef?"

[jeebus1083]

Want the pre-entries PPs for free? Equibase has got them on their site:
http://www.equibase.com/breederscuplanding.cfm

[Casino]

I pay the $150 because I can't handicap without it. I know that and it is an expense I just factor in. However, how are fringe players ever going to take this game seriously with that kind of up front investment? With all the money, time and experience necessary to eek out a profit, or more likely lose, is it really worth it for those that might want to get involved in the game? I certainly wouldn't encourage it and that has a lot to do with how expensive the game can be before a bet is ever made.

I.e.----it's overpriced.

I was looking forward to the advance guide with there formulator facts,but at the end of me reading the whole entire guide i scroll down to FORMULATOR FACTS for 2011 BREEDERS CUP WILL BE AVAILABLE AT A LATER DATE.PLEASE CHECK BACK.Strange. :bang:

[PaceAdvantage]

I pay the $150 because I can't handicap without it. I know that and it is an expense I just factor in. However, how are fringe players ever going to take this game seriously with that kind of up front investment? With all the money, time and experience necessary to eek out a profit, or more likely lose, is it really worth it for those that might want to get involved in the game? I certainly wouldn't encourage it and that has a lot to do with how expensive the game can be before a bet is ever made.

I.e.----it's overpriced.I don't really agree with that assessment. Fringe players have other, less expensive options available to them, and they will continue being fringe players.

Those looking to make a serious run at this game should view $150/mo as a trivial expense, because anyone looking to make a serious run had better have the kind of bankroll that makes 150/mo a trivial expense.

[proximity]

drf sells quick sheets for $1 a card...... so in general i'd say their products are overpriced.

another example is the $14.95 for a day of unlimited access..... with no pace figures. you could buy two print editions and a vitamin water at sheetz for that much and not even have to spring for your own ink and paper.

you could buy an annual subscription for about $100 a month (which is probably close to the correct price) but of course you have to pay the $1250 up front.

[jeebus1083]

I don't really agree with that assessment. Fringe players have other, less expensive options available to them, and they will continue being fringe players.

Those looking to make a serious run at this game should view $150/mo as a trivial expense, because anyone looking to make a serious run had better have the kind of bankroll that makes 150/mo a trivial expense.

Sorry PA, but I disagree with you completely. People can make a serious run at this game without having to spend $150/month before wagering expenses. It costs nothing to sign up for an ADW like Twinspires or DRF Bets, and your PPs are generally free once you wager on a particular track. You can also get access to replays, another gold mine for information. Once you have the requisite information at your fingertips, you can mend it all you want to your style of play.

In other words, one is capable of creating their own "proprietary" information to enhance their own betting value. Whether they choose to or not is the choice of the player, and to me, that choice is what truly separates the men from the boys, not "trivial expenses" of $50/100/200+ a month. If anything, a "downsized" horseplayer who uses his or her resources wisely, and can be profitable, has more of an advantage over the player who pays big money for 3rd-party information.

[Tom]

I picked up the print edition at lunch today. $7.50.

Must be the paper and ink are so cheap they take away from the expense of printing it! :D

[PaceAdvantage]

Sorry PA, but I disagree with you completely. People can make a serious run at this game without having to spend $150/month before wagering expenses. I never said they couldn't. You're reading too much into what I wrote.

[Niko]

I went on the drf site to get the advanced PP's to take a look at the Euro ratings...$9.95 for the pre-entries. I guess it's 2 days of racing but still...no thanks at that price...I'll wait. $5 and they would have had me.

[Tom]

Niko, Equibase has the Time Form ratings in their FREE PPs...there is a link in another thread here.

[Track Phantom]

I don't really agree with that assessment. Fringe players have other, less expensive options available to them, and they will continue being fringe players.

Those looking to make a serious run at this game should view $150/mo as a trivial expense, because anyone looking to make a serious run had better have the kind of bankroll that makes 150/mo a trivial expense.

Not sure I agree. $150 is not a trivial expense to those looking to take the game seriously. You or I might be fine with it since we play more than regularly. However, those that want to take it seriously and not just use less expensive options, typically get put off by the extreme expense. At least I would. Overall, it's a tough game to make money at and the cost of the data necessary seems a bit much. If you wagered on baseball and wanted the histortical information on players in a variety of situations, it's all free.

Free versus $150 per month is a tough sell to a lot of people.

[gm10]

Is there any way of purchasing "Crist's wagering strategies" separately?

[jeebus1083]

Is there any way of purchasing "Crist's wagering strategies" separately?

There is not.

Why would you want to listen to how Crist bets anyway?

[Robert Goren]

There is not.

Why would you want to listen to how Crist bets anyway?To know what not to do.

[Casino]

To know what not to do.

:lol: :lol: RG Crist is good,does have a huge bankroll to bet with.

[gm10]

I bought the BC package without PP's in the end, and it is not what I had expected. It's not bad in itself, but there are no Crist wagering strategies in it.

[Casino]

I bought the BC package without PP's in the end, and it is not what I had expected. It's not bad in itself, but there are no Crist wagering strategies in it.

GM,i was looking for the strategies myself,what about the formulator facts,it says check back another date. :confused:

[eddie10]

If you go to publichandicapper.com you can purchase 100 cards for $100.00

[cj]

I suspect wagering strategies would come after we know the actual fields and post positions.

[gm10]

I suspect wagering strategies would come after we know the actual fields and post positions.

I expected at least some general BC exotic wagering insights. There is hardly anything in there about 'wagering strategies'.

[cj]

Crist has written books that include that material, general wagering strategies. I'm sure this will be more specific, at least I would hope so.

[Tom]

Xpressbet has a free wagering guide.

[Niko]

Thanks, I saw they included the TF ratings for races in England but not others. I'll order or look back at Equibase to see if they carry the ratings for all horses.

Looks like another fun couple of days for everyone...