Future lookin' brighter for solar

[Sugar Ron]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Solar-power-is-beginning-to-apf-254182986.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=


Great news for progressives ... not so good if you back the GOPP (Grand Old "Party of Pollution")...

[bigmack]

Most apt line of the article.

Solar's share of the power business remains tiny.REAL TINY.

How's the roi on solar. Is it less than a decade yet?

[Sugar Ron]

Stop fighting the inevitable, Big Mac ... and learn to embrace THE FUTURE (renewable energy)... :cool:

[boxcar]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Solar-power-is-beginning-to-apf-254182986.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=


Great news for progressives ... not so good if you back the GOPP (Grand Old "Party of Pollution")...

The only thing bright spot about "solar" is the sun.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Stop fighting the inevitable, Big Mac ... and learn to embrace THE FUTURE (renewable energy)... :cool:
Wanna know a secret. Come in close....

I've earned some adult dollars in the renewable energy business for the last, oh.... decade. Let's just say I saw the future before you. ;)

[Sugar Ron]

Wanna know a secret. Come in close....

I've earned some adult dollars in the renewable energy business for the last, oh.... decade. Let's just say I saw the future before you. ;)

I'm close enough

God bless ya ... the 'BO 2012' bumper sticker is in the mail...

[toetoe]

Stop fighting the inevitable, Big Mac ... and learn to embrace THE FUTURE (renewable energy)... :cool:



The debate is over !!! :lol:

[Valuist]

What a joke. Solar has been around for years. Still too costly. And what are they gonna do when silver supplies run out? Silver is needed for conductivity.

[badcompany]

One would think that someone who posts a link to Yahoo Finance would know what Solar stocks having been doing recently. Solar has been the worst performing industry.

The company in the "Related Quotes" section of the page, First Solar, is down 25% on the day, and is down 85% from its all-time high.

[Tom]

Compared to Obama's approval rating, that is stellar performance, so you can see where he got confused. Sweet.

[badcompany]

Compared to Obama's approval rating, that is stellar performance, so you can see where he got confused. Sweet.

:lol: :lol:

A story like that in Yahoo Finance is designed to draw in suckers to buy Solar stocks on the pretext that they're a bargain.

Meanwhile, insiders are unloading them en masse.

[Sugar Ron]

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-19/us/us_solar-jobs_1_solar-energy-industry-solar-foundation-solar-business?_s=PM:US


Shine, Baby, Shine :cool:

[RaceBookJoe]

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-19/us/us_solar-jobs_1_solar-energy-industry-solar-foundation-solar-business?_s=PM:US


Shine, Baby, Shine :cool:

Instead of linking a story, maybe you can scan a copy of your trading account showing how many 1000's of shares of each solar company you own. rbj

[PaceAdvantage]

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-19/us/us_solar-jobs_1_solar-energy-industry-solar-foundation-solar-business?_s=PM:US


Shine, Baby, Shine :cool:Yeah, tell that to this guy:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/25/us-firstsolar-idUSTRE79O67P20111025

(Reuters) - First Solar Inc's board ousted CEO Rob Gillette, replacing him on an interim basis with Chairman Mike Ahearn while the solar panel maker searches for a new leader to steer it through a treacherous time in the industry.I need to ask Spiderman if CNN is the on-air version of the NY Post...

[Greyfox]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Solar-power-is-beginning-to-apf-254182986.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=


Great news for progressives ... not so good if you back the GOPP (Grand Old "Party of Pollution")...

Brighter??

Does that mean that Solyndra will be able to give the $500 million bucks back??
Will the 1,100 employees at Solyndra get their jobs back?
Will the CEO and other execs avoid prosecution??

[Tom]

:lol: :lol:

A story like that in Yahoo Finance is designed to draw in suckers to buy Solar stocks on the pretext that they're a bargain.

Meanwhile, insiders are unloading them en masse.

It got 2 suckers - Obama and Sugar Foot. :lol:

[lamboguy]

:lol: :lol:

A story like that in Yahoo Finance is designed to draw in suckers to buy Solar stocks on the pretext that they're a bargain.

Meanwhile, insiders are unloading them en masse.
right you are on that one. first solar FSLR, has come down form $175 this year, down to $42 today.
however the chinese have been buying up all the silver they can put their hands on at these prices. they have big plans for solar energy. silver is used in solar panels. but i have no idea if the chinese are buying the silver for that reason, or they might be thinking that silver is heading to tripple digits soon. there are lots of manufacturing reasons for silver. i would rather buy silver than solar energy stocks because of the multi purpose uses for that metal.

if you want to make some money on thursday at noon, the united states mint is coming out with a 5 piece silver set that cost $300. i think you will be able to sell it for more the day it comes to you in the mail.

[badcompany]

right you are on that one. first solar FSLR, has come down form $175 this year, down to $42 today.
however the chinese have been buying up all the silver they can put their hands on at these prices. they have big plans for solar energy. silver is used in solar panels. but i have no idea if the chinese are buying the silver for that reason, or they might be thinking that silver is heading to tripple digits soon. there are lots of manufacturing reasons for silver. i would rather buy silver than solar energy stocks because of the multi purpose uses for that metal.



While not an expert on China, I've done a little research on this. China uses primarily coal and to a lesser extent hydro to generate electricity. That's where most of their investment has been. Much like in this country, Solar has niche uses in rural areas away from grids.

Those propagating the solar scam use China as a scare tactic, "OMG! They're getting ahead of us!"

The reality is that Solar is too inefficient, unreliable, costly and land intensive to supply a significant percentage of electricity.

[Tom]

Solar energy is a lot like Obama.......

[Sugar Ron]

Not surprisingly, the Germans have seen the light and are at the vanguard of the solar movement:

http://www.cleanenergyauthority.com/solar-energy-news/germany-sets-aside-130-billion-for-solar-loans-102511/


They're on track to abandon their cancer-causing nuclear hell-holes (plants) in the next ten or so years and replace them with renewable sources of power.

Of course, we'll be lagging behind here since we unfortunately have to deal with politicians from the GOPP (Grand OLD "Party of Pollution") and the ball-and-chain they always seem to strap on progress and innovation like this...

[Sugar Ron]

Instead of linking a story, maybe you can scan a copy of your trading account showing how many 1000's of shares of each solar company you own. rbj

Don't have time to research individual companies (too busy earning my six-fig salary at the engineering firm).

Currently, I own thousands of shares of index funds in both U.S. and foreign markets.

[lamboguy]

While not an expert on China, I've done a little research on this. China uses primarily coal and to a lesser extent hydro to generate electricity. That's where most of their investment has been. Much like in this country, Solar has niche uses in rural areas away from grids.

Those propagating the solar scam use China as a scare tactic, "OMG! They're getting ahead of us!"

The reality is that Solar is too inefficient, unreliable, costly and land intensive to supply a significant percentage of electricity.i would say you are right about the coal. they probably have a big nuclear program as well. i just happened to notice that when the physical silver market went to lows last week, the chineese were stepping up to the plate and buying every single bid. silver has moved up $4 in a week. i should clarify the buy side of silver because i have no way of knowing 100% that it was them buying it on the open market, but by prior history it was the very same brokers and buying patterns that have happened before. and for the amount of buying it has to be a very big entity like a country to be pushing that hard. in regular monetary agreements with the international monetary fund, no country is allowed to purchase an unlimited supply of gold for their treasury's. they are allowed to buy a given amount for coinage. china could be buying silver instead of gold. also what we do know is that all the gold that is mined in china never makes it outside their borders.

the deal that the mint is putting out on thursday at noon, is a 5 piece silver eagle 25th anniversary set. also going by prior history, this type of a purchase has done very well instantly. the cost is $300 per set and they will sell you up to 5 sets

[Robert Goren]

Nothing holds so much promise as solar, but it is along way from being practical today. This is one of the things that needs a lot more research done on the technology for it to be viable.

It is pretty clear that we are slowly shifting to electricity as our main power source, but how we are going to manufacture it is still an open question.

[Tom]

Nuclear power.
Coal.
Natural gas.
Oil.

All the stuff Obama is throwing roadblocks in front of.
The man is the OFF switch to a sensible energy policy.

[bigmack]

It is pretty clear that we are slowly shifting to electricity as our main power source, but how we are going to manufacture it is still an open question.
"Shifting to electricity as our main power source." :confused:

What's the difference between power & electricity?

[Mike at A+]

Nuclear power.
Coal.
Natural gas.
Oil.

All the stuff Obama is throwing roadblocks in front of.
The man is the OFF switch to a sensible energy policy.
He's the OFF switch to the entire economy.

[boxcar]

Nuclear power.
Coal.
Natural gas.
Oil.

All the stuff Obama is throwing roadblocks in front of.
The man is the OFF switch to a sensible energy policy.

For such a progressive, Obama has turned out to be president No to all common sense solutions. The drugs of his youth have surely taken their toll.

Boxcar

[Valuist]

Nothing holds so much promise as solar, but it is along way from being practical today. This is one of the things that needs a lot more research done on the technology for it to be viable.

It is pretty clear that we are slowly shifting to electricity as our main power source, but how we are going to manufacture it is still an open question.

Actually nuclear and natural gas have far more promise than solar. Even wind has more promise than solar. Solar isn't new, its expensive, and until they come up w/an alternative to silver for conductivity, its heading to become obsolete.

Nuclear still is the best LONG term solution. Obviously there are a few things to be ironed out there but when I am talking long term, I mean 50 years down the road.

In the interim, natural gas is, by far, the best solution. TRILLIONs of cubic feet of it within North America; it is much cleaner than oil; much cheaper than other forms, and is clearly the best way to wean us of our heavy reliance on foreign oil.

[JustRalph]

Don't have time to research individual companies (too busy earning my six-fig salary at the engineering firm).

Currently, I own thousands of shares of index funds in both U.S. and foreign markets.

Wow! ....... I am so impressed..........

[lsbets]

Wow! ....... I am so impressed..........

:lol: Where's Mack's BSometer?

[badcompany]

"A six-figure salary" is an internet euphemism for "Unemployed and living in parents basement."

Regarding Germany, a big 2% of their electricity generation comes from Solar, and this is after massive gov't subsidies.

[ArlJim78]

including cents he might make six figures.

[boxcar]

including cents he might make six figures.

:lol: :lol: Good one, Jim!

Boxcar

[RaceBookJoe]

Don't have time to research individual companies (too busy earning my six-fig salary at the engineering firm).

Currently, I own thousands of shares of index funds in both U.S. and foreign markets.

That response makes all of your past and future market quotes as irrelevant. You mean you couldnt even find a good solar fund to pour thousands of shares into. I hear Greece could use some money...try one of their funds. :lol:

[bigmack]

Let's take a gander at some of the most popular solar stocks.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/solarstocks.jpg

The distinctive downward spiral in the last several months is what 'graphists' call a "reverse hcap."

[Tom]

No wonder Obama is so high on solar - the graphs look just like his approval rating.

[delayjf]

Not surprisingly, the Germans have seen the light and are at the vanguard of the solar movement:
Let them lead the way - if they can make it work good for them, but I for one am not willing to risk our economy just to give some liberal a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Pay close attention to CA in the next 5 years - they are implementing a statewide cap and trade system - All run and regulated by liberal burocrats. Boeing has already started to pull out. First the C-17 product line has been moved to OK to commence production on he new Air Force Tanker. Recently they closed some of their Corp offices, bit by bit they and other manufacters are leaving the state.

The Politicians in this state simply can't make a good decision.

[lamboguy]

right you are on that one. first solar FSLR, has come down form $175 this year, down to $42 today.
however the chinese have been buying up all the silver they can put their hands on at these prices. they have big plans for solar energy. silver is used in solar panels. but i have no idea if the chinese are buying the silver for that reason, or they might be thinking that silver is heading to tripple digits soon. there are lots of manufacturing reasons for silver. i would rather buy silver than solar energy stocks because of the multi purpose uses for that metal.

if you want to make some money on thursday at noon, the united states mint is coming out with a 5 piece silver set that cost $300. i think you will be able to sell it for more the day it comes to you in the mail.`congradulations to all that bought this 25th anniversary silver set. i just saw them sell on ebay for $500

[lamboguy]

right you are on that one. first solar FSLR, has come down form $175 this year, down to $42 today.
however the chinese have been buying up all the silver they can put their hands on at these prices. they have big plans for solar energy. silver is used in solar panels. but i have no idea if the chinese are buying the silver for that reason, or they might be thinking that silver is heading to tripple digits soon. there are lots of manufacturing reasons for silver. i would rather buy silver than solar energy stocks because of the multi purpose uses for that metal.

if you want to make some money on thursday at noon, the united states mint is coming out with a 5 piece silver set that cost $300. i think you will be able to sell it for more the day it comes to you in the mail.
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_nkw=25th+anniversary+eagles&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=11116&_okw=25th+anniversary+eagles&_oexkw=&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=Zip+code&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50not bad for $300

[hcap]

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/11/solar-powers-good-news

A couple of weeks ago, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) announced a "game changing" new development in solar panel fabrication. It's not sexy: It's called the Optical Cavity Furnace, and it's a new way of manufacturing solar cells that uses optics rather than radiant or infrared heat. There are a couple of big benefits to this new technology.

First, NREL says the new furnace uses around half the energy of traditional manufacturing processes, costs 25 to 50 percent less, and has faster process times. This means that solar panels can be made both faster and cheaper than before.

Second, because its optical technology is more precise, the solar cells it creates have a higher efficiency. "Our calculations show that some material that is at 16 percent efficiency now is capable of reaching 20 percent if we take advantage of these photonic effects,"

...In fact, the cost of photovoltaic, or PV, cells had already fallen 50 percent in the past two years prior to the DOE announcement. A June 2011 projection predicted PV module prices would hit the goal of $1 per watt by 2013
Over the last 30 years, researchers have watched as the price of capturing solar energy has dropped exponentially. There's now frequent talk of a "Moore's law" in solar energy. In computing, Moore's law dictates that the number of components that can be placed on a chip doubles every 18 months…If similar dynamics worked in solar power technology, then we would eventually have the solar equivalent of an iPhone—incredibly cheap, mass distributed energy technology that was many times more effective than the giant and centralized technologies it was born from.

…Averaged over 30 years, the trend is for an annual 7 percent reduction in the dollars per watt of solar photovoltaic cells…If the 7 percent decline in costs continues (and 2010 and 2011 both look likely to beat that number), then in 20 years the cost per watt of PV cells will be just over 50 cents…The cost of solar, in the average location in the U.S., will cross the current average retail electricity price of 12 cents per kilowatt hour in around 2020, or 9 years from now…10 years later, in 2030, solar electricity is likely to cost half what coal electricity does today. Solar capacity is being built out at an exponential pace already. When the prices become so much more favorable than those of alternate energy sources, that pace will only accelerate.

http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_solar_pv_cost_kwh.jpg

[badcompany]

Much in the same way Lloyd Bridges picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue in the movie "Airplane." Liberals have picked the wrong year to pimp Solar energy.

See post #35 for the reason.

[bobbyb]

Another Heavily Funded Company bites the Bullet

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/solar-power-boom-hits-a-wall/article2227268/singlepage/#articlecontent

[badcompany]

Another Heavily Funded Company bites the Bullet

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/solar-power-boom-hits-a-wall/article2227268/singlepage/#articlecontent

Yes, another liberal/socialist scam goes down the toilet when the money runs out.

[lamboguy]

right you are on that one. first solar FSLR, has come down form $175 this year, down to $42 today.
however the chinese have been buying up all the silver they can put their hands on at these prices. they have big plans for solar energy. silver is used in solar panels. but i have no idea if the chinese are buying the silver for that reason, or they might be thinking that silver is heading to tripple digits soon. there are lots of manufacturing reasons for silver. i would rather buy silver than solar energy stocks because of the multi purpose uses for that metal.

if you want to make some money on thursday at noon, the united states mint is coming out with a 5 piece silver set that cost $300. i think you will be able to sell it for more the day it comes to you in the mail.http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-Paper-Money-/11116/i.html?_nkw=25th+anniversary+eagles+&_cqr=true&_nkwusc=25th+anniverary+eagles&_npmv=3&_rdc=1

[skate]

Sugar

brings lite to the libs, now all can see it's not about Solar as much as it is about Money being Stolen and nobody gets hung.