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toussaud
10-21-2011, 06:18 PM
tonight's race via Black Caviar. The horse next to her has a history of acting up. it's a 5 horse field, so what they are going to do, is have black caviar in stall 4, an empty stall, then stall 6 with the horse that acts up.
I've never seen anything like that before
HoofedInTheChest
10-21-2011, 06:43 PM
I was just going to post this race but you beat me to it.....
Black Caviar
Australia A
Race 5
around 11:00 - 11:30 pm est
PhantomOnTour
10-21-2011, 06:46 PM
Seems a bit unfair huh?
Hanover1
10-21-2011, 06:51 PM
All kinds of questions arise in the event of an event.
toussaud
10-21-2011, 07:52 PM
Also of note, Scenic Blast, was in the john sherrifs barn last year.
He is a grade 1 winner in Australia.
cpitt84
10-21-2011, 08:04 PM
I was just going to post this race but you beat me to it.....
Black Caviar
Australia A
Race 5
around 11:00 - 11:30 pm est
i thought the race started at 3:20p and so it would be 12:20a EST
toussaud
10-21-2011, 08:30 PM
I'm looking at Australia racing and it goes off at approx 11:20pm CST
cpitt84
10-21-2011, 08:32 PM
I'm looking at Australia racing and it goes off at approx 11:20pm CST
ok thanks.
levinmpa
10-21-2011, 08:41 PM
They are streaming live at DRF.com right now, with less than 1 hour to post for the 1st at Moonee Valley. Should be a fun night of racing. The Aussies put on a great show on their marquee race days.
toussaud
10-21-2011, 08:43 PM
Australia racing IMHO is the best kept secret in horse racing. I watch damn near nightly now. they put on a good show even at the smaller venues and you ALWAYS get value.
nothing to see a card chalk full of 15 horse fields.
HoofedInTheChest
10-21-2011, 08:55 PM
My bad, it goes off at 12:20 am EST........ give or take a few
ten2oneormore
10-21-2011, 10:13 PM
Just messing around for action.I have no idea how to make sense of these pps
r2-:1:
r3-:1:
r4-:1:
r5-:5:
r6-:1:
r7-:1:
r8-:12:
r9-:1:
Zippy Chippy
10-21-2011, 10:36 PM
tonight's race via Black Caviar. The horse next to her has a history of acting up. it's a 5 horse field, so what they are going to do, is have black caviar in stall 4, an empty stall, then stall 6 with the horse that acts up.
I've never seen anything like that before
That is craziness
nearco
10-21-2011, 10:50 PM
You want craziness, the favorite in the feature race tonight the 3 million dollar Cox Plate over 1m 1/4, is the 3yo Helmet. That's southern hemisphere 3yo. It would be like a 3yo going against older horses in MARCH in the northern hemisphere. He gets an 18lb break from the older horses in the WFA scale.
toussaud
10-21-2011, 10:59 PM
what's even better, the lunacy, that the 10F cox plate, is the PREP for the 2 MILE Melbourne cup.
cpitt84
10-21-2011, 11:03 PM
yeah it starts at 12:20
Robert Fischer
10-21-2011, 11:12 PM
Australia racing IMHO is the best kept secret in horse racing. I watch damn near nightly now. they put on a good show even at the smaller venues and you ALWAYS get value.
nothing to see a card chalk full of 15 horse fields.
thx for making this thread :ThmbUp:
at first i thought you were saying Australia is chalk full or full of chalk, i was going to disagree, but I see what you wrote now.
good racing tonight, thanks again for the reminder
mannyberrios
10-21-2011, 11:24 PM
They are streaming live at DRF.com right now, with less than 1 hour to post for the 1st at Moonee Valley. Should be a fun night of racing. The Aussies put on a great show on their marquee race days.
The Aussies always have great racing
Hoofless_Wonder
10-21-2011, 11:25 PM
what's even better, the lunacy, that the 10F cox plate, is the PREP for the 2 MILE Melbourne cup.
And along those same lines, there will probably be several horses in the Melbourne Cup that run a prep within a week or a few days of the 2 mile race. Check out the PPs of # 2 (Decarado, whose scratched tonight) in the Cox Plate. He ran in a 10 furlong race 3 days prior to the Melbourne Cup last year. If memory serves, there were at least two other horses that ran in that race, and came right back in the Melbourne Cup.
I'll be keeping my eye on # 1 (Efficient) in the Cox Plate. Had him when he won the Melbourne Cup back in 2007, but he's had some issues since that awesome performance...
nearco
10-21-2011, 11:26 PM
You want craziness, the favorite in the feature race tonight the 3 million dollar Cox Plate over 1m 1/4, is the 3yo Helmet. That's southern hemisphere 3yo. It would be like a 3yo going against older horses in MARCH in the northern hemisphere. He gets an 18lb break from the older horses in the WFA scale.
Correction, he gets 21lbs from the 5yo+ and 18lbs from the 4yos. The 4yos get a 3lb break, I guess because it is early in the season.
nearco
10-21-2011, 11:33 PM
And along those same lines, there will probably be several horses in the Melbourne Cup that run a prep within a week or a few days of the 2 mile race. Check out the PPs of # 2 (Decarado, whose scratched tonight) in the Cox Plate. He ran in a 10 furlong race 3 days prior to the Melbourne Cup last year. If memory serves, there were at least two other horses that ran in that race, and came right back in the Melbourne Cup.
Yeah, So You Think (who is coming to run in the Classic) started as favourite for the Melbourne Cup last year, finished 3rd. His prep for the Melbourne Cup involved winning the G1 CoxPlate 10 days before and then a week later winning the 1-1/4m G1 MacKinnon, just 3 days before the 2m Melbourne Cup. That's three races totaling 4 1/2 miles in 10 days.
Aussie ain't afraid to run his horses. You'd be locked up if you tried to do that in the states.
cpitt84
10-21-2011, 11:50 PM
bc shouldnt be running in another grade 2..
toussaud
10-21-2011, 11:51 PM
when you run every other week i can be forgiving
nearco
10-21-2011, 11:55 PM
bc shouldnt be running in another grade 2..
It's not like she is skipping G1s to run in G2s. There are no G1 sprints for her to run in at the moment.
cpitt84
10-22-2011, 12:08 AM
anyone else's feed skipping?
toussaud
10-22-2011, 12:09 AM
scenic blast is freaking 70 to 1 in a 4 horse field :smh:
nearco
10-22-2011, 12:12 AM
American odds
1/9
70/1
99/1
99/1
Aussie odds
1/20
18/1
60/1
28/1
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 12:12 AM
this race looks like crap on paper, but at least there are some good ones later, and we can see BC again.
Hopefully she wins, shows a few of us a fault and runs back in a good race.
nearco
10-22-2011, 12:13 AM
anyone else's feed skipping?
Mine is jumpy.
toussaud
10-22-2011, 12:14 AM
very badly. LOTS of people on the feed.
toussaud
10-22-2011, 12:15 AM
she's actually like 1/33. wow
nearco
10-22-2011, 12:15 AM
American odds
1/9
70/1
99/1
99/1
Now
1/9
35/1
70/1
50/1
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 12:17 AM
great no place wagering on xpressbet :sleeping: #scenic blast
nearco
10-22-2011, 12:18 AM
She's 1.03 on the Aussie tote..... 1/33... that's Phar Lap territory!
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 12:18 AM
anyone bet this rice ?
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 12:24 AM
that was ah my zing :eek: :jump::jump:!!
she was tracking her stablemate, and instead of waiting behind her for everybody else to bunch up and try to get her going again in the stretch, she just ran like hell and crushed these allowance level horses.
terrible rice on piper and she lived it op 2 it!
forced89
10-22-2011, 12:25 AM
Yeah. Just for the Hell of it I bet $2 on each of the others, the :1: :2:and :3:. It cost me $6 like I was paying for the right to watch the race. Of course Black Caviar pissed on them!
Some_One
10-22-2011, 12:27 AM
Wake me up when she starts running against the real sprinting heavyweights of the world so I can see her up the track.
cpitt84
10-22-2011, 12:27 AM
wonderful horse! cant wait to see her in the future.
cpitt84
10-22-2011, 12:29 AM
why did they put that blanket on BC? does that calm the horse?
duncan04
10-22-2011, 12:29 AM
Australia racing IMHO is the best kept secret in horse racing. I watch damn near nightly now. they put on a good show even at the smaller venues and you ALWAYS get value.
nothing to see a card chalk full of 15 horse fields.
Agree just wish I could understand the pp's :D
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 12:31 AM
why did they put that blanket on BC? does that calm the horse?
didn't see, was it part of the winners parade or a trainer move?
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 12:35 AM
RACE 8 COMING UP 2:35AM
$3.1 MILLION US 1 1/4 FULL FIELD
nearco
10-22-2011, 01:05 AM
Last year's Melbourne Cup winner Americain wins the G2 Drake Intl very impressively. Nice prep for the big one in 10 days.
What a card of racing the Aussies have today.
carlonr
10-22-2011, 01:13 AM
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/sport/angels-shine-on-black-caviar-as-rogue-moved/2331315.aspx
Agree just wish I could understand the pp's :D
Where did you find PPs?
nearco
10-22-2011, 01:26 AM
Free PPs on the DRF site
http://www.drf.com/events/australian-racing-live-stream
duncan04
10-22-2011, 01:35 AM
Where did you find PPs?
You can also go to Australianracing.com and get free pp's there
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 02:34 AM
go King's Rose
i'm not crazy about Helmet on form here...
didn't get a chance to look @ video.
King's rose based on the form.
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 02:36 AM
jimmy choux(pronounced shoe) broke through!
GIVE HIM THE BOOT!
toussaud
10-22-2011, 02:42 AM
i like pinker pinker
boogazie
10-22-2011, 02:44 AM
Haha, played a :5: :11: :12: exacta box for fun. I don't get how the favorite is even money when he struggled to hold on at a mile distance in his last race.
toussaud
10-22-2011, 02:56 AM
the only reason hamlet was favored was because of the insane weight break he got
and hit an absolute brick wall in the stretch anyway.
toussaud
10-22-2011, 02:57 AM
RacingInsider Racing Victoria
by milkmaid58
MV Post race report: Race8 Lion Tamer - BROKE DOWN near hind leg
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 03:03 AM
they quickened quite a bit here late.
King's Rose got punked because she was a punk
a little more forward than I wanted - possibly in respect to the vulnerable favorite, and just plain old breaking fairly well, but she got ate up a bit in traffic today. Some runners seem to usually get the best or worst of traffic, and today was not her day.
very hittable race with some logicals there . Winner Pinker Pinker was a REDICULOUS 30-1 and just a head back from my KEY horse 2back. Jimmy Choux ran VERY well for breaking through the barrier stall. Lesser horse from the same group Rekindled Interest finished logical 3rd(Kings Rose was superior, and Glass Harmonious would be used with)
Helmet came in here as the 3yoColt so he not only had the hype and hope coming in, he got the weight for age break. There were definitely some signs suggesting that he may be a little cheap here. A conservative odds figure (before having seen the race) - would put HELMET @ 9-2. There was about as much chance of Helmet being a complete noCount as there was of him being a worthy 6-5 shot. I have to find my replays site and get aussie organized mate, because that 9-2 would have been higher if I had watched helmet's previous races. Good opportunity to play against here.
not bad AUSSIES :ThmbUp:
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 03:14 AM
Haha, played a :5: :11: :12: exacta box for fun. I don't get how the favorite is even money when he struggled to hold on at a mile distance in his last race.
:ThmbUp:
did you notice on form, how as he stretched out (and would naturally be a bit closer to the pace), they were more than happy to go ON the pace itself and go for the WINs?
we have a couple major trainers who do that here, and even worse a sign is that move following a dissapointment where the horse was NOT tugging or pulling, but actually running in good rhythm off the heat of the pace.
in simple terms it's a horse that now NEEDS to make adjustments to get a favorable setup. And this is significant because these horses inevitably have MORE increases in adversity ahead.
the pace adjustment is just one of different go-to moves, and you may even see a big fig off of it, or even just lifetime E1 E2 and it deceives as an improvement.
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 03:16 AM
i like pinker pinker
i thought u really picked him...
looks late, but if serious nice pick...
from the form he was one of maybe about 6 that really figured.
it was a logical race, Helmet had a chance on paper to win or make the exacta, but he was underlayed significantly.
toussaud
10-22-2011, 03:29 AM
i did. big pinker pinker fan. she is very consistent and always runs her race, and you can look at her races and tell she was improving every start. plus i have made money off her earlier this year. she always gets odds. don't know why.she's alot like awesome gem. cute name too lol.
keep in mind that the race went off like 10 minutes late
lion tamer put down :(
duncan04
10-22-2011, 03:45 AM
Anyone have any tips on how to handicap Australian racing?
toussaud
10-22-2011, 04:02 AM
the reason alot of american handicappers suck with Aussies, is because it's 2 totally different concepts of racing.
You have to keep in mind, in Australia, they literally race horses into shape over there. a horse might start out at 7F race, than a mile race, than a 9F race, and then a 10F race with the 10F + being the target. Handicappers used to the american style of horse racing get too caught up on who beat who last out and using so on and so forth.
Robert Fischer
10-22-2011, 05:59 AM
Anyone have any tips on how to handicap Australian racing?
the capping seems to be the same, minimal form and all, but the wagering is more complex.
AUSSIE pools offered here are pretty small for the most part. This morning was nice because at least there was a moderate amount.
In general the pools seem to be behave as a typical small track with late being volatile. And there is a game within the game, where horses hot on alternative-sources(bookmakers, on track pools, etc...) become "MARKET MOVERS"... these horses may be bet late in OUR Aussie pools beyond value, or they may be "overlayed" in comparison with the alternative-pools. At times horses are used to hedge or even green-up as well. The only surefire way is for me to bet. If i bet a market-mover, it will get pounded late beyond value...:D
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