Gadhafi capture or dead?

[Casino]

Reports surfacing Gadhafi has been capture,some are saying killed.

[DJofSD]

Who cares?

[Mike at A+]

I heard the great warrior Obama killed him with his bare hands. At least MSNBC will play it up that way.

[Tom]

Hillary made a surprise visit to Libya this week.
Maybe he killed himself?

[DJofSD]

No, he was mistaken for a wild animal and shot by cops from Ohio. It was the hair, you know.

[horses4courses]

Let Gadhafi ride off into the sunset on his favorite camel.

Get that bastard who bombed the Pan Am flight over Scotland........ :mad:

[canleakid]

NO more moammar :) "adios mofo" :D

[Robert Goren]

Let Gadhafi ride off into the sunset on his favorite camel.

Get that bastard who bombed the Pan Am flight over Scotland........ :mad:
Gadhafi was that guy.

[ArlJim78]

The dictator is dead, long live the dictator.

[Light]

And if Bush had kept his cool and not invaded Iraq ,the Arab spring would have brought down Hussein without loss of life on both sides. So when does Bush pay? Oh I forgot. As long as you are on the side with might you are right. Mmm, we shall see.

[bigmack]

Oh I forgot. As long as you are on the side with might you are right. Mmm, we shall see.
Is that a threat?

[Mike at A+]

KHADAFFY DUCK ...................... too late :lol:

[DJofSD]

Numerous news reports of confirmation he's shuffled off.

Next.

[Light]

Is that a threat?

It's the truth.

[Light]

It's official. You can read and see his death here:

http://english.aljazeera.net/

Hey BM,while you're looking at that site,take a look at the story about the "trauma" those "mass murdering" Palestinians had to endure from the country that has more human rights violations than any other. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me about when where and by who (names?) these mass murders took place. Or was that just Zionist propaganda?

I can tell you one mass murderer I know and his name starts with a B for bullshit.

[DJofSD]

It's official. You can read and see his death here:

http://english.aljazeera.net/

Hey BM,while you're looking at that site,take a look at the story about the "trauma" those "mass murdering" Palestinians had to endure from the country that has more human rights violations than any other. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me about when where and by who (names?) these mass murders took place. Or was that just Zionist propaganda?

I can tell you one mass murderer I know and his name starts with a B for bullshit.

So what? What's the point? Are you trying to prove that you hold some kind of superior moral stance? Give it up.

[bigmack]

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me about when where and by who (names?) these mass murders took place. Or was that just Zionist propaganda?

I can tell you one mass murderer I know and his name starts with a B for bullshit.
This thread ain't the place, but:

Here are some of the terrorists Israel let go.

Walid Anajas, from Ramallah, a commander of Hamas' armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. He was given 36 life terms in 2002 for his involvement in a number of suicide bombings, including that of a Jerusalem cafe in 2002, in which 12 people lost their lives.

Nasser Yataima, who planned a suicide bombing which killed 30 people as they were about to celebrate the Passover festival at a hotel in March 2002, was sentenced to 29 life terms.

Khamis Zaki Aqel, a member of the Qassam Brigades, which carried out a string of suicide bombings and other attacks, was arrested in 1992 and sentenced to 21 life terms. It was not immediately clear for which crime he was sentenced.

Majdi Muhammed Amr, arrested in 1993, is serving 19 life sentences after being found guilty of coordinating the work of suicide bombers, including one who blew up a bus in the northern city of Haifa in March 2003, killing 17 people. [He also murdered David Cohen in a drive-by shooting in July 2001. - EoZ]

Maedh Abu Sharakh was also sentenced to 19 life terms for his role in planning the Haifa bus bombing.

Abdel Hadi Ghanim, of Nusseirat refugee camp in central Gaza Strip, was serving 16 life sentences after he hijacked an Israeli intercity bus in 1989 traveling from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and drove it over a steep drop, killing 16 passengers.

Muhammed Daghales was sentenced in 2001 to 15 life terms for his role in planning the 2001 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem pizzeria, which killed 16 Israelis.
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2011/10/un_shows_its_bias_again_on_sha.html

Over 100 had multiple life sentences:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1669308.php/SIDEBAR-Over-100-freed-in-Shalit-deal-on-multiple-life-sentences

[GaryG]

This thread ain't the place, but:

Here are some of the terrorists Israel let go.

Walid Anajas, from Ramallah, a commander of Hamas' armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. He was given 36 life terms in 2002 for his involvement in a number of suicide bombings, including that of a Jerusalem cafe in 2002, in which 12 people lost their lives.

Nasser Yataima, who planned a suicide bombing which killed 30 people as they were about to celebrate the Passover festival at a hotel in March 2002, was sentenced to 29 life terms.

Khamis Zaki Aqel, a member of the Qassam Brigades, which carried out a string of suicide bombings and other attacks, was arrested in 1992 and sentenced to 21 life terms. It was not immediately clear for which crime he was sentenced.

Majdi Muhammed Amr, arrested in 1993, is serving 19 life sentences after being found guilty of coordinating the work of suicide bombers, including one who blew up a bus in the northern city of Haifa in March 2003, killing 17 people. [He also murdered David Cohen in a drive-by shooting in July 2001. - EoZ]

Maedh Abu Sharakh was also sentenced to 19 life terms for his role in planning the Haifa bus bombing.

Abdel Hadi Ghanim, of Nusseirat refugee camp in central Gaza Strip, was serving 16 life sentences after he hijacked an Israeli intercity bus in 1989 traveling from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and drove it over a steep drop, killing 16 passengers.

Muhammed Daghales was sentenced in 2001 to 15 life terms for his role in planning the 2001 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem pizzeria, which killed 16 Israelis.
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2011/10/un_shows_its_bias_again_on_sha.html

Over 100 had multiple life sentences:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1669308.php/SIDEBAR-Over-100-freed-in-Shalit-deal-on-multiple-life-sentencesThis is ample proof that Israel should take no prisoners....they just cause trouble later. Send them to the 72 virgins and be done with them.

[lsbets]

Oh come on mack, that's propaganda. Those poor innocent Palestinians are actually heros. :rolleyes:

[DJofSD]

So, if the anti-hero is actually the real hero, when do the former heros reachive their status? Or am I just confused?

[Mike at A+]

I can tell you one mass murderer I know and his name starts with a B for bullshit.
Barack!

[JustRalph]

Yankee fan kills Ghaddaffi with his own Golden Gun

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/10/21/1226172/364345-111021-gaddafi-pistol.jpg

[ArlJim78]

when we got bin laden they told us we must respect Islamic traditions and not offend anyone with the manner of burial. everything on the up and up.

when we got al alwaki or whatever his name, we even phoned next of kin to apologize for the assassination.

now watching the gruesome videos of Gaddafi's beaten and bloody but barely alive body being paraded around to the delight of the mob just before executing him. I guess those traditions are somewhat selectively followed.

[TJDave]

I will mourn Muammar's passing. As brutal dictators go he was one of the best. It was especially satisfying to see a Muslim oppressing Muslims unopposed for decades. Something Muslims apparently enjoy (unless it's non-Muslims doing the oppressing). They should build a monument.

[Light]

So what? What's the point? Are you trying to prove that you hold some kind of superior moral stance? Give it up.

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't get the point. Takes a PHD. :rolleyes:

Did you ever hear the saying from Christ (paraphrasing) "why do you see the splinter in your neighbors eye and not see the log in your own?"

You guys talk trash about a dead dictator but i can guarantee you Bush killed more innocent people than the dead dictator. Why don't you trash talk Bush? Because you are hypocrites. Right and wrong by neo cons is defined not by reality but by your twisted political affiliation.

Knock on Heaven's door and when the guy answers say "let me in I'm an American" "I defended Bush for killing all those innocent dead Iraqi's". See how well that works. :rolleyes: He just might tell you to go to hell.

[Light]

This thread ain't the place, but:

Here are some of the terrorists Israel let go.

Walid Anajas, from Ramallah, a commander of Hamas' armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. He was given 36 life terms in 2002 for his involvement in a number of suicide bombings, including that of a Jerusalem cafe in 2002, in which 12 people lost their lives.

Nasser Yataima, who planned a suicide bombing which killed 30 people as they were about to celebrate the Passover festival at a hotel in March 2002, was sentenced to 29 life terms.

Khamis Zaki Aqel, a member of the Qassam Brigades, which carried out a string of suicide bombings and other attacks, was arrested in 1992 and sentenced to 21 life terms. It was not immediately clear for which crime he was sentenced.

Majdi Muhammed Amr, arrested in 1993, is serving 19 life sentences after being found guilty of coordinating the work of suicide bombers, including one who blew up a bus in the northern city of Haifa in March 2003, killing 17 people. [He also murdered David Cohen in a drive-by shooting in July 2001. - EoZ]

Maedh Abu Sharakh was also sentenced to 19 life terms for his role in planning the Haifa bus bombing.

Abdel Hadi Ghanim, of Nusseirat refugee camp in central Gaza Strip, was serving 16 life sentences after he hijacked an Israeli intercity bus in 1989 traveling from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and drove it over a steep drop, killing 16 passengers.

Muhammed Daghales was sentenced in 2001 to 15 life terms for his role in planning the 2001 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem pizzeria, which killed 16 Israelis.
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2011/10/un_shows_its_bias_again_on_sha.html

Over 100 had multiple life sentences:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1669308.php/SIDEBAR-Over-100-freed-in-Shalit-deal-on-multiple-life-sentences


Sorry but that list is totally contradicted by the leading newspaper in Israel.

Who are the Palestinian prisoners freed for Shalit video?
No prisoners with blood on their hands on list

1) Ayat Kisi - Sentenced to one year and eight months for attempted murder. Original release date: November 18, 2009.

2) Rojena Riyad Mohammed Jinajira - Sentenced to three years for conspiracy and attempted murder. Original release date: June 9, 2011.

3) Rimat abu Ayisha - Sentenced to nine months for membership in a banned organization. Original release date: November 13, 2009.

4) Haba Assad Halil Alantasha - Sentenced to three years and four months for attempted murder. Original release date: March 03, 2011.

5) Samud Abdullah Halil - Sentenced to one year and eight months for attacking a soldier and possession of a knife with the intent to cause bodily harm. Original release date: December 15, 2009.

6) Mimouna Javrin - Detained without bail pending trial for attempted murder and possession of a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm.

7) Jihad Abu-Turki - Sentenced to one year and three months for attempted murder and possession of a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm. Original release date: May 24, 2011.

8) Barah Malki - Sentenced to eleven months for attempted murder and assault of a police officer in the line of duty. Original release date: November 11, 2009.

9) Lila Mohammed Tzalah al-Buhari - Sentenced to eight years and four months for attempted murder. Original release date: October 31, 2010.

10) Fatima Yunus al-Zak - Held without bail pending trial for charges of undergoing paramilitary training, attempted murder, and possession of a weapon.

11) Nifin Halil Abdallah Dak - sentenced to three and a half years for attempted murder. Original release date: January 01, 2010.

12) Kafah Bahash - Sentenced to a year and a half for assaulting a soldier. Original release date: July 02, 2010.

13) Linan Yusuf Abu Ghulma - Sentenced to six years for attempted murder and carrying a concealed weapon. Original release date: September 08, 2010.

14) Shirin Mohammed Hasan - Sentenced to three years and nine months for attempted murder. Original release date: March 04, 2010.

15) Sana'a Tzalah Hagargah - Sentenced to two years in prison for attempted murder and possession of a weapon. Original release date: August 05, 2010.

16) Sabeena Ziad Mohammed Manal - Sentenced to seven years for membership in a banned organization, conspiracy and attempted murder. Original release date: November 19, 2010.

17) Zahoor Abed Hamdan - Sentenced to eight years for attempted murder. Original release date: May 15, 2011.

18) Hiam Ahmed Yusuf Ba'id - Sentenced to three years and four months for membership in a banned organization. Original release date: May 07, 2010.

19) Nahad Farhat Daghra - Held without bail pending trial for assaulting a soldier and possession of a weapon.

20) Najuah Abed Alghani - Held without bail pending trial for membership in an illegal organization and disturbing the peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/who-are-the-palestinian-prisoners-freed-for-shalit-video-1.6959

[bigmack]

Sorry but that list is totally contradicted by the leading newspaper in Israel.

Who are the Palestinian prisoners freed for Shalit video?
No prisoners with blood on their hands on list
Whoopsie. Looks like I done gots egg all over my face.

Then again, did ya read this portion of what you just posted :confused:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/WhoarethePalestinianprisonersfreedforShalitvideo--HaaretzDailyNewspaper-IsraelNews.png

Get more honest about this subject or risk being labeled a bald faced liar.

Get real & admit you were wrong.

[boxcar]

I will mourn Muammar's passing. As brutal dictators go he was one of the best. It was especially satisfying to see a Muslim oppressing Muslims unopposed for decades. Something Muslims apparently enjoy (unless it's non-Muslims doing the oppressing). They should build a monument.

And you will be in err....err....good company. According to one black man there's another one occupying the White House:

S6so0wYjhXQ

The good minister is probably mourning today, too.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Well, it was great TV seeing that POS bloodied, crying, begging for his life. I only regret they did not torture the shit out him for many months first. He got out it far too easy.

This is an exciting time in the Middle East - let's hope we see this stuff on a weekly basis.

Today was garbage day - the trash was taken out.:jump::jump:

[NJ Stinks]

This is an exciting time in the Middle East - let's hope we see this stuff on a weekly basis.



You have been seeing this stuff since Obama took over.

Just thought you may have missed the obvious, Tommy. :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

You have been seeing this stuff since Obama took over.

Just thought you may have missed the obvious, Tommy. :rolleyes:And it all started when Bush decided to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, although you won't see any MSM outlets admitting this obvious fact.

In fact, I looked up "Arab Spring" on WiKi and there is not even one mention of the invasion of Iraq and the take down of Saddam as any sort of impetus towards this developing wellspring of revolution and democracy...very telling...

Never mind Bush himself stated that this was one of his goals. His vision was of a Middle East thirsting for Democracy...where the people would rise up against these tyrannical dictators and install a better kind of government for the people.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261278/baghdad-benghazi-charles-krauthammer

Yet we have been told incessantly how Iraq poisoned the Arab mind against America. Really? Where is the rampant anti-Americanism in any of these revolutions? It’s Yemen’s president and the delusional Qaddafi who are railing against American conspiracies to rule and enslave. The demonstrators in the streets of Egypt, Iran, and Libya have been straining their eyes for America to help. They are not chanting the antiwar slogans — remember “No blood for oil”? — of the American Left. Why would they? America is leaving Iraq having taken no oil, having established no permanent bases, and having left behind not a puppet regime but a functioning democracy. This, after Iraq’s purple-fingered exercises in free elections seen on television everywhere set an example for the entire region.

Facebook and Twitter have surely mediated this pan-Arab (and Iranian) reach for dignity and freedom. But the Bush Doctrine set the premise.It is so crystal clear that the "Bush Doctrine" itself was indeed the catalyst for all that we see today happening in the Middle East. But instead of giving credit where credit is due, we have people like NJ Stinks giving all the credit to Obama... :lol:Democratic regime change

In a series of speeches in late 2001 and 2002, Bush expanded on his view of American foreign policy and global intervention, declaring that the United States should actively support democratic governments around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the threat of terrorism, and that the United States had the right to act unilaterally in its own security interests, without the approval of international bodies such as the United Nations.[3][4][5] This represented a departure from the Cold War policies of deterrence and containment under the Truman Doctrine and post–Cold War philosophies such as the Powell Doctrine and the Clinton Doctrine.

In his 2003 State of the Union Address, Bush declared:[33]
“ Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. ”

After his second inauguration, in a January 2004 speech at National Defense University, Bush said: "The defense of freedom requires the advance of freedom."

Neoconservatives and the Bush Doctrine held that the hatred for the West and United States in particular does not exist because of actions perpetrated by the United States, but rather because the countries from which terrorists emerge are in social disarray and do not experience the freedom that is an intrinsic part of democracy.[14][19] The Bush Doctrine holds that enemies of United States are using terrorism as a war of ideology against the United States. The responsibility of the United States is to protect itself and its friends by promoting democracy where the terrorists are located so as to undermine the basis for terrorist activities.[14][19]

[Tom]

I have to make allowances for NJ......reality is such a greased pig to him.
SH being hung, the people with the purple thumbs, Kadaffy turning over his nukes........such inconvenient truths.:D

I also recall that the number one "uprising" we SHOULD have backed was IRan, but Dumbo failed to stand up and take part in that one. Does Barry FEAR Imadinnerjacket, or was it professional courtesy?

[Tom]

btw, overnight reports on Momo's demise - he was killed by an escaped Tiger fro Ohio.

NOMO MOMO

[turfbar]

You "MEN" are scary


Turfbar

[Sugar Ron]

Con bozos vs. BO on Libya (published 3/28/11):

http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/obama-on-libya-vs-trump-bachmann-romney-gingrich-and-carrot-top.html


Whether one agrees with President Obama or not on the Libya issue, he was clearly well-informed and in control of the facts and analysis. His fabled intelligence and cool-headedness were on display.

It is a sad commentary that American political discourse is so cheapened and debased by demagoguery promoted by sly billionaires like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers that the responses to Obama from the other side of the aisle were sometimes comical in their ignorance.


Some excellent commentary ... you could lump all those losers (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc) on con propaganda radio in there with Murdoch and the Koch Sisters too.


And here's yet another recent piece exposing our world-class mormon flopper:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/where-is-mitt-romney-on-libya/


Yo Willard ... we have a foreign policy PRO in the White House now ... so take your bad opinions down the f'n road...

[elysiantraveller]

Con bozos vs. BO on Libya (published 3/28/11):

http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/obama-on-libya-vs-trump-bachmann-romney-gingrich-and-carrot-top.html


Whether one agrees with President Obama or not on the Libya issue, he was clearly well-informed and in control of the facts and analysis. His fabled intelligence and cool-headedness were on display.

It is a sad commentary that American political discourse is so cheapened and debased by demagoguery promoted by sly billionaires like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers that the responses to Obama from the other side of the aisle were sometimes comical in their ignorance.


Some excellent commentary ... you could lump all those losers (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc) on con propaganda radio in there with Murdoch and the Koch Sisters too.


And here's yet another recent piece exposing our world-class mormon flopper:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/where-is-mitt-romney-on-libya/


Yo Willard ... we have a foreign policy PRO in the White House now ... so take your bad opinions down the f'n road...

Republican's have a hard time challenging Obama on foreign policy because his administration has just been a continuation of the Bush foreign policy of the previous 8 years.

Personally, I think he handled the Libyan situation well even though I was extremely critical as it began. The United States' role in the conflict was extremely limited with the bulk of our sorties and operations taking place at the very beginning of NATO intervention because the United States has abilities to "clear the skies" that the other NATO countries don't. After that was accomplished we let the British, French, Italians, etc. take the lead on daily operations.

The campaign to remove Gadahfi has been extremely well executed by NATO and to say otherwise is foolish. Regardless of party affiliation.

[bigmack]

Con bozos vs. BO on Libya (published 3/28/11):

Oh how precious. Little Ron sitting in his basement reading the opinions of one, PROFESSOR JUAN COLE. :lol: :lol:

http://www.juancole.com/images/graphics/juan-cole-headshot.png

Two nerds together. How touching.

Q: What's a con?

[cj's dad]

Ghadafi, "Now, ruling America is a black man from our continent, an African from Arab descent, from Muslim descent, and this is something we never imagined – that from Reagan we would get to Barakeh Obama."

I wonder if BO and the LAOTUS will attend the funeral ? They were, after all, friends.

Link:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3877174,00.html

[Tom]

Oh how precious. Little Ron sitting in his basement reading the opinions of one, PROFESSOR JUAN COLE. :lol: :lol:



Two nerds together. How touching.

Q: What's a con?

Sugar Bear reads in his basement what Little Juan writes in his.
A complete circle.......uh, circle.

[Light]

Whoopsie.


Next time you decide to present some cockamamie anti Palestinian story you found on the internet, think a minute if its even plausible .

If Netanyahu released people who were purportedly more dangerous than Jeffry Dahmer do you realize he would basically be losing his job and having a shit load of anger among his people and cabinet representatives?

I mean you come across to me as a racist idiot. If you want to be a racist, and It's clear you are one, at least try to not be so obvious.

[DJofSD]

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't get the point. Takes a PHD. :rolleyes:

Did you ever hear the saying from Christ (paraphrasing) "why do you see the splinter in your neighbors eye and not see the log in your own?"

You guys talk trash about a dead dictator but i can guarantee you Bush killed more innocent people than the dead dictator. Why don't you trash talk Bush? Because you are hypocrites. Right and wrong by neo cons is defined not by reality but by your twisted political affiliation.

Knock on Heaven's door and when the guy answers say "let me in I'm an American" "I defended Bush for killing all those innocent dead Iraqi's". See how well that works. :rolleyes: He just might tell you to go to hell.

So, I take it all that voted for Bush are condemned to hell. Right. Plank in my eye? How about the disjointed ramblings of an idiot?

[Sugar Ron]

Ah, the two resident con pinheads offering some more deep thoughts on yet another thread ... LMAO

[Sugar Ron]

Q: What's a con?

Doesn't matter at this point

The fact that the word soooooo gets under your (wrinkled) skin is more than enough reason to continue using it often ... LMAO

[PaceAdvantage]

It's disturbing that people from both sides of the debate can't participate here without the constant use of name calling as a debate tactic.

I've been so lenient with a choice few from BOTH sides, but this is starting to get out of hand.

Why do you guys continually force me to close threads and/or ban folks?

I try and lead by example. In my 12+ years debating here on off-topic, I have made it a point to almost NEVER call anyone else a name no matter how stupid I think their opinion might be...But I guess leading by example doesn't mean a thing. Only heavy handed tactics like closing threads and kicking repeat offenders out is the only thing that gets noticed.

[Light]

So, I take it all that voted for Bush are condemned to hell. Right.

No. But now its clear that Bush was wrong and his motives were greedy and corrupt. Yet people like you continue to defend his senseless killings and maiming of innocent people that occurred while condemning someone else who committed the same atrocities. For what? For your pride as an American. To take pride in one atrocity and condemn another is shameful.

[DJofSD]

Light, show me where I defended Bush at all for anything he did including deaths resulting from military actions.

Mike, you're right. Close the thread if you must.

[cj's dad]

That's cold !

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_LIBYA?SITE=WBAL&SECTION=NATIONAL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[DJofSD]

My gyros tastes funny.

[bigmack]

Next time you decide to present some cockamamie anti Palestinian story you found on the internet, think a minute if its even plausible .

If Netanyahu released people who were purportedly more dangerous than Jeffry Dahmer do you realize he would basically be losing his job and having a shit load of anger among his people and cabinet representatives?

I mean you come across to me as a racist idiot. If you want to be a racist, and It's clear you are one, at least try to not be so obvious.
:lol: Are you DOUBTING the data I posted?

No need to lash out because you were proven COMPLETELY WRONG. I mean if you want to LIE that's your business. Just don't expect a welcome reception with your lies from me.

I'm still laughing from your posting 20 women and not even realizing what you were posting. You're in over your head.

[Greyfox]

And it all started when Bush decided to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, although you won't see any MSM outlets admitting this obvious fact.

:ThmbUp: Credit where credit is due.

Yes. I have to agree with most of what you are saying here.
If Bush didn't start it, (foment may have been building for a long time) he certainly gave democracy a huge push in the region and had to be viewed as a catalyst for change there.
I was never a fan of George W. Bush. But an honest objective assessment of any President's legacy has to be done 20 or more years after he leaves office.
It certainly appears that the Arab Spring should be a feather George W's hat.

[bigmack]

Doesn't matter at this point
I figured as much. You don't even know what it means.

That's rich.

[Light]

:lol: Are you DOUBTING the data I posted?

No need to lash out because you were proven COMPLETELY WRONG. I mean if you want to LIE that's your business. Just don't expect a welcome reception with your lies from me.

I'm still laughing from your posting 20 women and not even realizing what you were posting. You're in over your head.

You are the one who posts lies after lies about Palestinians. I corrected your most recent lie. And yes 20 women were also released.

None of those released had killed anyone. I may not like Netanyahu but he is not stupid enough to risk his political career for one soldier by releasing a boat load of people who purportedly killed Israelis as your naive article alleges.

You need to chill out and stop finding tabloid type things to dehumanize Palestinians.These people are suffering and have suffered enough. You have no understanding.

[ArlJim78]

yeah one of those sweet innocent Palestinian ladies had some great advice for children the day after her release.

"I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs," Wafa al-Biss told dozens of children who came to her home in the northern Gaza Strip
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=242418

you really have to admire those who encourage children to blow themselves up in order to kill other innocents. a truly inspiring message.

[bigmack]

And it all started when Bush decided to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, although you won't see any MSM outlets admitting this obvious fact.

In fact, I looked up "Arab Spring" on WiKi and there is not even one mention of the invasion of Iraq and the take down of Saddam as any sort of impetus towards this developing wellspring of revolution and democracy...very telling...

Never mind Bush himself stated that this was one of his goals. His vision was of a Middle East thirsting for Democracy...where the people would rise up against these tyrannical dictators and install a better kind of government for the people.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261278/baghdad-benghazi-charles-krauthammer

It is so crystal clear that the "Bush Doctrine" itself was indeed the catalyst for all that we see today happening in the Middle East. But instead of giving credit where credit is due, we have people like NJ Stinks giving all the credit to Obama... :lol:
I was never much of a 'Rah Rah W' type but the points made are worthy of serious thought.

Between you & Krauthammer, that was an EXCELLENT post/point. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[bigmack]

None of those released had killed anyone. I may not like Netanyahu but he is not stupid enough to risk his political career for one soldier by releasing a boat load of people who purportedly killed Israelis as your naive article alleges.
What is wrong with you? You call me a racist because I back up my shit with facts and you bring a list of 20 women? On the jaded scale, you just busted it.

You forced my hand to jack this thread. Are ya ready to settle it?

Here's a list from The Turkish Weekly (you can trust that, right?)
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/125054/prc-armed-wing-releases-list-of-palestinian-prisoners.html

Now, would you like for me to re-post the names of the murderers among them? Would you like to read articles of families in Israel who STRONGLY opposed the swap because they lost fam?

You wanna call me a hater/racist? I got facts. You got a list of 20 women.

I laugh.

[NJ Stinks]

And it all started when Bush decided to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, although you won't see any MSM outlets admitting this obvious fact.

In fact, I looked up "Arab Spring" on WiKi and there is not even one mention of the invasion of Iraq and the take down of Saddam as any sort of impetus towards this developing wellspring of revolution and democracy...very telling...

Never mind Bush himself stated that this was one of his goals. His vision was of a Middle East thirsting for Democracy...where the people would rise up against these tyrannical dictators and install a better kind of government for the people.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261278/baghdad-benghazi-charles-krauthammer

It is so crystal clear that the "Bush Doctrine" itself was indeed the catalyst for all that we see today happening in the Middle East. But instead of giving credit where credit is due, we have people like NJ Stinks giving all the credit to Obama... :lol:

I agree that Bush did say often that he wanted to see democracy flourish in the Middle East. He sounded sincere when he said it.

Nevertheless, I'd be more inclined to give Bush "credit" if the U.S. actually paid for our military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan while he was president. But not only did he not try to pay for these military actions, George cut taxes.

It's hard to pat such irresponsibility on the back.

[Ocala Mike]

http://libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-mission-accomplished.jpg


Ocala Mike

[Light]

What is wrong with you? You call me a racist because I back up my shit with facts and you bring a list of 20 women? On the jaded scale, you just busted it..

You have been racist about this for a lot longer than this issue.


You forced my hand to jack this thread. Are ya ready to settle it?

Here's a list from The Turkish Weekly (you can trust that, right?)
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/125054/prc-armed-wing-releases-list-of-palestinian-prisoners.html

Now, would you like for me to re-post the names of the murderers among them? ..

Your article is just a list of names. It does not mention that any of them are murderers.It also says the list has not been verified by either Israel or Hamas.I'm begining to wonder if you are all there.




I got facts. You got a list of 20 women.

I laugh.

You must not have seen the link I posted.That article was from the leading newspaper in Israel. You are now either calling Israel's newspaper liars that there are no murderers released or you are on drugs.

[Tom]

It is so crystal clear that the "Bush Doctrine" itself was indeed the catalyst for all that we see today happening in the Middle East. But instead of giving credit where credit is due, we have people like NJ Stinks giving all the credit to Obama...

So let me get this straight.....Obama "inherited" the bad economy, but not the Arab Spring?

Ok, got it.












A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[boxcar]

I agree that Bush did say often that he wanted to see democracy flourish in the Middle East. He sounded sincere when he said it.

Nevertheless, I'd be more inclined to give Bush "credit" if the U.S. actually paid for our military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan while he was president. But not only did he not try to pay for these military actions, George cut taxes.

It's hard to pat such irresponsibility on the back.

Using your logic, we can't give credit to Obama for anything because the debt he has piled on top of debt will never ever be paid for in this generation, let alone during his administration.

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

Heard this the other day. Were the debt of $16 Trillion to be repaid at the rate of $1000 per second, it would take approximately 480 years to be paid in full at 0% interest.

[dartman51]

Sorry but that list is totally contradicted by the leading newspaper in Israel.

Who are the Palestinian prisoners freed for Shalit video?
No prisoners with blood on their hands on list

1) Ayat Kisi - Sentenced to one year and eight months for attempted murder. Original release date: November 18, 2009.

2) Rojena Riyad Mohammed Jinajira - Sentenced to three years for conspiracy and attempted murder. Original release date: June 9, 2011.

3) Rimat abu Ayisha - Sentenced to nine months for membership in a banned organization. Original release date: November 13, 2009.

4) Haba Assad Halil Alantasha - Sentenced to three years and four months for attempted murder. Original release date: March 03, 2011.

5) Samud Abdullah Halil - Sentenced to one year and eight months for attacking a soldier and possession of a knife with the intent to cause bodily harm. Original release date: December 15, 2009.

6) Mimouna Javrin - Detained without bail pending trial for attempted murder and possession of a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm.

7) Jihad Abu-Turki - Sentenced to one year and three months for attempted murder and possession of a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm. Original release date: May 24, 2011.

8) Barah Malki - Sentenced to eleven months for attempted murder and assault of a police officer in the line of duty. Original release date: November 11, 2009.

9) Lila Mohammed Tzalah al-Buhari - Sentenced to eight years and four months for attempted murder. Original release date: October 31, 2010.

10) Fatima Yunus al-Zak - Held without bail pending trial for charges of undergoing paramilitary training, attempted murder, and possession of a weapon.

11) Nifin Halil Abdallah Dak - sentenced to three and a half years for attempted murder. Original release date: January 01, 2010.

12) Kafah Bahash - Sentenced to a year and a half for assaulting a soldier. Original release date: July 02, 2010.

13) Linan Yusuf Abu Ghulma - Sentenced to six years for attempted murder and carrying a concealed weapon. Original release date: September 08, 2010.

14) Shirin Mohammed Hasan - Sentenced to three years and nine months for attempted murder. Original release date: March 04, 2010.

15) Sana'a Tzalah Hagargah - Sentenced to two years in prison for attempted murder and possession of a weapon. Original release date: August 05, 2010.

16) Sabeena Ziad Mohammed Manal - Sentenced to seven years for membership in a banned organization, conspiracy and attempted murder. Original release date: November 19, 2010.

17) Zahoor Abed Hamdan - Sentenced to eight years for attempted murder. Original release date: May 15, 2011.

18) Hiam Ahmed Yusuf Ba'id - Sentenced to three years and four months for membership in a banned organization. Original release date: May 07, 2010.

19) Nahad Farhat Daghra - Held without bail pending trial for assaulting a soldier and possession of a weapon.

20) Najuah Abed Alghani - Held without bail pending trial for membership in an illegal organization and disturbing the peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/who-are-the-palestinian-prisoners-freed-for-shalit-video-1.6959

Try again Light. From the most trusted source by the lefties on this board.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_released_by_Israel_in_the_Gilad_ Shalit_prisoner_exchange

There are plenty of LIFE SENTENCES there. I doubt they got them from teaching needlepoint. Do you think that newspapers in Israel are any different than those here??

[Light]

Oh I get it now. You are only considered a murderer if you kill Israelis,not the other way around. Yes, I'm sure the maitre d in heaven has that list. Piece of cake.

[Mike at A+]

Oh I get it now. You are only considered a murderer if you kill Israelis,not the other way around. Yes, I'm sure the maitre d in heaven has that list. Piece of cake.
Retaliation is not murder. When attacked, any nation is within its rights to retaliate. You don't see Israel deliberately lobbing rockets unprovoked into known civilian areas. You don't see Israeli suicide bombers. On the other side, they do DELIBERATELY TARGET civilians and they do so unprovoked. They have also been known to fire rocket that aren't very accurate in their hands and they can basically land anywhere. Retaliation and terrorism are two different animals.

[dartman51]

Oh I get it now. You are only considered a murderer if you kill Israelis,not the other way around. Yes, I'm sure the maitre d in heaven has that list. Piece of cake.

Not that it really matters, but i'm not making judgement, one way or the other. That's not my job. I was merely pointing out the error in your list.

[bigmack]

Not that it really matters, but i'm not making judgement, one way or the other. That's not my job. I was merely pointing out the error in your list.
Sorry, not good enough for, light. See, he has some hair up his ass about Palestinians and REALLY has one about Israel/Jews. When you try and work with facts, you're a judgmental racist. :lol:

The amount of time I ever spent even thinking about Palestine or the people that live there would amount to about 9 minutes of my life. light spends the brunt of his existence anguishing over and carrying the weight of their plight directly on his own two shoulders. It's not easy but it's what he chooses to do.

ANY criticism of them WILL NOT be tolerated.

I continue to laugh.

[bigmack]

Oh I get it now. You are only considered a murderer if you kill Israelis,not the other way around. Yes, I'm sure the maitre d in heaven has that list. Piece of cake.
You fought my facts/sources tooth & nail. First it was a pro-Israel sources. Then you posted a list of 20 women as if to contradict my point. Then you called me a racist. NOW you're saying they should not be considered murderers.

In the very least you owe me an apology. Let's find out the depth of your character.

[Mike at A+]

Sorry, not good enough for, light. See, he has some hair up his ass about Palestinians and REALLY has one about Israel/Jews. When you try and work with facts, you're a judgmental racist. :lol:
And speaking of racism, this has to be one of the best political cartoons ever:

[Light]

In the very least you owe me an apology. Let's find out the depth of your character.

When you apologize for being a total racist A hole about Palestinians, you'll be worthy of any sort of apology. Besides, I'm not done here nor has that list been verified by Israel or Hamas according to your Turkish article.

I can tell you that most of the charges against Palestinians by Israel are bullshit.Israel is a racist state that practices apartheid. When Palestinians are brought to court they are brought to a court where no appeals are allowed. Jews have separate courts where appeals are allowed.Can you imagine getting a fair trial in a Nazi court if you are a Jew or in the racist south at the time of slavery? How about a Palestinian in an Israeli court with a racist guy like you on the jury?

[Greyfox]

Just an observation.

When I was growing up people seldom, if ever, accused one another of racism.
Even through the turbulent 60's when racism was obviously a problem, the term was used as a last resort.

Message board posters seem to be in the habit of overusing the term. Message boards give people the chance to hide behind avatars with only minimal risk of anything but verbal retaliation. In vivo , use of the term would soon earn someone a poke in the eye in fast order.
While many people that I have met have racial biases, I would be very doubtful that they could be categorized as racist.

From my perspective, continually labelling anyone as racist does three things.
1. It prevents honest and open discussion of perceived differences.
2. It communicates to readers such as myself, that the poster is being divisive.
3. It diminishes the merit of other points that are being made that are worthy of discussing further and as such diminishes the weight I put on that poster's future opinions.

[Mike at A+]

@Greyfox: Indeed an accurate observation. One thing I would add. The people playing the race card are only following the examples set by the politicians they support. The rhetoric coming from the usual race baiters in government is disgusting and everyone knows it. But only some openly acknowledge it.

[bigmack]

When you apologize for being a total racist A hole about Palestinians, you'll be worthy of any sort of apology.
Let me begin by saying f*** you. Secondly, quote where I displayed my racist, assholish ways.

YOU started the whole ordeal by saying ALL the prisoners were imprisoned with chump charges. YOU were proven COMPLETELY WRONG. While it sucks to be wrong you clearly lack the character to simply admit it and move on.

[PaceAdvantage]

I agree that Bush did say often that he wanted to see democracy flourish in the Middle East. He sounded sincere when he said it.

Nevertheless, I'd be more inclined to give Bush "credit" if the U.S. actually paid for our military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan while he was president. But not only did he not try to pay for these military actions, George cut taxes.

It's hard to pat such irresponsibility on the back.Oh, I see...you're moving the goalposts once again.

How has Obama "paid for" all the military actions that have been taken since he has been in office (including the continuation of the "Bush Wars")?

[PaceAdvantage]

When you apologize for being a total racist A hole about Palestinians, you'll be worthy of any sort of apology.So if Bigmack is some sort of racist (according to you) because of his statements on Palestinians, then I suppose you should be called a racist because of your statements on Israelis/Jews, no?

The silliness never ends...

[boxcar]

Heard this the other day. Were the debt of $16 Trillion to be repaid at the rate of $1000 per second, it would take approximately 480 years to be paid in full at 0% interest.

And yet the Libs want to tax the rich, as though taxing them was going to have any impact upon the debt at all! :rolleyes: As stated previously, if 100% of all millionaires' assets were confiscated by the government, it wouldn't even make a dent in the national debt.

Boxcar

[TJDave]

I can tell you that most of the charges against Palestinians by Israel are bullshit. Israel is a racist state that practices apartheid. When Palestinians are brought to court they are brought to a court where no appeals are allowed. Jews have separate courts where appeals are allowed.Can you imagine getting a fair trial in a Nazi court if you are a Jew or in the racist south at the time of slavery? How about a Palestinian in an Israeli court with a racist guy like you on the jury?

And I can tell you that everything Light has stated in the above paragraph is total BS.

[Light]

So if Bigmack is some sort of racist (according to you) because of his statements on Palestinians, then I suppose you should be called a racist because of your statements on Israelis/Jews, no?

The silliness never ends...


Contrary to BM's attitude, I have nothing against Jews.I have Jewish friends. I am against Israeli political policy against Palestinians.

BM goes beyond politics. He calls all Palestinians "terrorists" and "murderers". That is by definition, racism.

[Light]

Let me begin by saying f*** you. Secondly, quote where I displayed my racist, assholish ways.

YOU started the whole ordeal by saying ALL the prisoners were imprisoned with chump charges. YOU were proven COMPLETELY WRONG. While it sucks to be wrong you clearly lack the character to simply admit it and move on.


The day you admit that Israel commits murder (and on a much larger scale) is the day I'll admit Palestinians commit murder.

[DJofSD]

Light, you come across as some one that believes even self defense does not justify killing another person.

[bigmack]

BM goes beyond politics. He calls all Palestinians "terrorists" and "murderers". That is by definition, racism.
Show me where I said that. You're not delusional are you?

:lol: That's a wrap with your ass. You're a third rate creep.

I take no sides. Hell, I've got chumps around here thinkin' I'm anti-Semitic & despise Canada. :D

Here ya go. I think Israel commits murder and on a much larger scale.

Your turn. And please, NO caveats.

[Mike at A+]

Moral of story. If you pick a fight with someone who could kick your ass, don't complain when they kick your ass. If anything, Israel has shown tremendous restraint in not totally obliterating the Palestineans.

[ArlJim78]

Moral of story. If you pick a fight with someone who could kick your ass, don't complain when they kick your ass. If anything, Israel has shown tremendous restraint in not totally obliterating the Palestineans.
yet if the palestinians had the means to obliterate Israel there would be no such restraint.

[TJDave]

Here ya go. I think Israel commits murder and on a much larger scale.


Sauce for the goose, Mr Saavik.

[woodtoo]

It must suck to be Israel, always taking the moral high ground, talking peace at any cost.
.Swapping 1000 criminals for one soldier
While the Palis' talk and teach hatred to their children at any cost.

I feel Israel must get off the high ground and deal with the facts,there will be no peace for them. It is what it is.They will have to lower their morals for survival reasons as the neighbors surrounding them are hell bent on their destruction and are getting worldwide support because their convictions (hate) are stronger and will give no quarter.

[Light]

Here ya go. I think Israel commits murder and on a much larger scale.



Do you think their murder of Palestinians is justified?

[bigmack]

Do you think their murder of Palestinians is justified?
This ain't conditional and the song & dance is over for you, Schmuck.

Spit it out.

The day you admit that Israel commits murder (and on a much larger scale) is the day I'll admit Palestinians commit murder.

[TJDave]

Do you think their murder of Palestinians is justified?

I can understand his confusion.

In Light's world murder IS justified.

Even heroic.

[boxcar]

Get ready, World, to get to know the devil you didn't, as you knew the one you helped overthrow.

Libya's liberation: interim ruler unveils more radical than expected plans for Islamic law

Libya's interim leader outlined more radical plans to introduce Islamic law than expected as he declared the official liberation of the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Get ready, World, to get to know the devil you didn't, as you knew the one you helped overthrow.

Libya's liberation: interim ruler unveils more radical than expected plans for Islamic law

Libya's interim leader outlined more radical plans to introduce Islamic law than expected as he declared the official liberation of the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

BoxcarNobody ever said any of this would turn out for the better.

And if it doesn't turn out for the better, it's good to know that some left-leaners on here are already on record giving Obama all the credit for this "Arab Spring." :lol:

That should take some heat off of me trying to give some credit to GWB... :lol:

[ArlJim78]

more of that smart diplomacy.

bXaOHG75wGk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXaOHG75wGk&feature=player_embedded

[PaceAdvantage]

I still don't understand the hard-on for Ghadfly...I thought he actually cooperated with the US after the Iraqi invasion...

Someone needs to follow the money and see exactly why Ghadafi (Khadaffi, Gadhafi, whatever) was put into such intense crosshairs by the US and the rest of the world. I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere...might be interesting to find out exactly what the deal was...

Maybe the late Colonel once put a contract out on Obama's dad? Who knows... :lol:

[NJ Stinks]

Oh, I see...you're moving the goalposts once again.

How has Obama "paid for" all the military actions that have been taken since he has been in office (including the continuation of the "Bush Wars")?

I haven't read past your post above as yet in this thread yet. But I'll answer it here.

Obama never would have went to war with Iraq to begin with. He is cleaning the mess Bush caused.

Obviously.

[boxcar]

I haven't read past your post above as yet in this thread yet. But I'll answer it here.

Obama never would have went to war with Iraq to begin with. He is cleaning the mess Bush caused.

Obviously.

Too bad that expensive armpit of the nation they call New Jersey never found enough money for you to get a proper education. You say, "went to war"? How about some proper grammar as in, "gone to war"? I guess money can't buy everything, can it?

Obviously not!

Boxcar

[elysiantraveller]

I still don't understand the hard-on for Ghadfly...I thought he actually cooperated with the US after the Iraqi invasion...

Someone needs to follow the money and see exactly why Ghadafi (Khadaffi, Gadhafi, whatever) was put into such intense crosshairs by the US and the rest of the world. I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere...might be interesting to find out exactly what the deal was...

Maybe the late Colonel once put a contract out on Obama's dad? Who knows... :lol:

Europe wanted stability from in one of their larger oil importers. Onlything that makes logical sense.

[NJ Stinks]

Too bad that expensive armpit of the nation they call New Jersey never found enough money for you to get a proper education. You say, "went to war"? How about some proper grammar as in, "gone to war"? I guess money can't buy everything, can it?

Obviously not!

Boxcar

Beautiful seasonal night here in NJ! Temps around 50 at the moment under a starlit sky. ;)

[Robert Goren]

I still don't understand the hard-on for Ghadfly...I thought he actually cooperated with the US after the Iraqi invasion...

Someone needs to follow the money and see exactly why Ghadafi (Khadaffi, Gadhafi, whatever) was put into such intense crosshairs by the US and the rest of the world. I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere...might be interesting to find out exactly what the deal was...

Maybe the late Colonel once put a contract out on Obama's dad? Who knows... :lol:Or maybe unlike GWB, Obama actually went after terrorists that killed Americans civilians. They don't get a pass just because it happened 25 years ago. If you kill Americans, soon or later we will have a president that will go after you. Obama just did what Reagan, Bush41, Clinton and GWB didn't do and should have done. There is no statute of limitation on murder. The fact that no American soldier was hurt doing it is an added bonus.

[PaceAdvantage]

Or maybe unlike GWB, Obama actually went after terrorists that killed Americans civilians. They don't get a pass just because it happened 25 years ago. If you kill Americans, soon or later we will have a president that will go after you. Obama just did what Reagan, Bush41, Clinton and GWB didn't do and should have done. There is no statute of limitation on murder. The fact that no American soldier was hurt doing it is an added bonus.OK, let me get this straight. You're claiming Saddam Hussein never backed terrorists that killed American civilians?

Interesting.

[Robert Goren]

OK, let me get this straight. You're claiming Saddam Hussein never backed terrorists that killed American civilians?

Interesting. Ok, Start naming places and times. Although Cheney claimed Hussein had a part in 9/11, he never produce any evidence. No doubt Hussein was a bad man, but not in the league with Libyan nut job. We spent about 2 billion dollars and no American lives were lost in Libya. We spent a trillion dollars in Iraq and 4400 American soldiers were killed and countless more were badly injured in Iraq. Who had the better plan? In nether place will we get a government thats pro-American because the people in that part of the world hate our guts. The best we can hope for is one that will not support anti-American terrorists.

[Tom]

Wonder where all those missiles went to, you know, the ones that can take out an airliner?

[rastajenk]

Europe wanted stability from in one of their larger oil importers. Onlything that makes logical sense.Sounds like Blood For Oil to me. Where were all the "No Blood For Oil" signs during all this kinetic military action? Noticeably absent.

[Tom]

Ok, Start naming places and times.

From Not Fox News.....

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lisa-irwin-developments-14795679?tab=9482931&section=4765066

[Light]

This ain't conditional and the song & dance is over for you, Schmuck.

Spit it out.

What's your hurry?

If I asked a Nazi if he thought killing Jews was murder he'd probably say "Yes and we should kill them all" which is what a racist would say. Unless its clear what you mean,your statement is meaningless

Here ya go. I think Israel commits murder and on a much larger scale.

Furthermore, if you really think Israel commits murder on Palestinians ,how come you haven't been as outraged as I have and always defended Israel for their carnage against Palestinians especially if I call them on it. Suddenly the racist turns humanitarian. What timing. :rolleyes:

(I'm making odds on the under,over of you telling me to go **** myself which you've told me in this thread while PA says nothing.).

[elysiantraveller]

No doubt Hussein was a bad man, but not in the league with Libyan nut job.

I agree with some of what you said which is why I find this comment amazing... You can't possibly be serious can you?...

[Tom]

How many thousands of his own people did Kadaffy gas?

[lsbets]

The day you admit that Israel commits murder (and on a much larger scale) is the day I'll admit Palestinians commit murder.

BM complied, yet you won't do what you said you would.

Hmm, could it be you support the Palestinian murder of Jews?

[boxcar]

Beautiful seasonal night here in NJ! Temps around 50 at the moment under a starlit sky. ;)

And the weather the last couple of days down here in Swampland has been sunny, breezy, balmy -- temps in the low to mid-70s. Fantastic sailing weather, and I love the ocean!

Enjoy your moment in NJ. You don't get very many of them.

Boxcar

[thaskalos]

And the weather the last couple of days down here in Swampland has been sunny, breezy, balmy -- temps in the low to mid-70s. Fantastic sailing weather, and I love the ocean!

Enjoy your moment in NJ. You don't get very many of them.

Boxcar
Tell me about it...

The weather has been beautiful here in the Chicagoland area too these last couple of days...as we brace for what is believed to be the worst winter in the whole nation this year...

As if we didn't get enough snow last year...:bang:

[bigmack]

Suddenly the racist turns humanitarian. What timing. :rolleyes:
Here's the real paradox. One of the biggest self-proclaimed pacifists of all time, (you) abet the killing of others and can't even call it what it is. MURDER.

You want to see my views of Israel, start a thread. I play devils advocate on a number of issues around this dump. I contrasted your psychosis with FACTS. You bring a jaded view bordering on extreme.

You've shown your character. As mentioned, you're a third rate creep.

BANG, BANG.

[boxcar]

Tell me about it...

The weather has been beautiful here in the Chicagoland area too these last couple of days...as we brace for what is believed to be the worst winter in the whole nation this year...

As if we didn't get enough snow last year...:bang:

Ahh...cheer up. You never know how those doom and gloom predictions will pan out. Last year and this year, as well, we were supposed to have "killer" hurricane seasons -- with a gazillion named storms and all that terrible stuff. (You know...all due to global warming.) It didn't happen last year, and it doesn't appear that it will this year either.

Boxcar

[Jay Trotter]

...as we brace for what is believed to be the worst winter in the whole nation this year...As if we didn't get enough snow last year...:bang:
What's that? Ah -- Winter? Don't talk about -- Winter?! You kidding me?! Winter?! I just hope we can survive another season! Another Winter!

You want cold -- move to Winnipeg! :faint:

[Light]

Here's the real paradox. One of the biggest self-proclaimed pacifists of all time, (you) abet the killing of others and can't even call it what it is. MURDER.

You want to see my views of Israel, start a thread. I play devils advocate on a number of issues around this dump. I contrasted your psychosis with FACTS. You bring a jaded view bordering on extreme.

You've shown your character. As mentioned, you're a third rate creep.

BANG, BANG.

I'm asking you to clarify your answer. Your strong hesitation to answer shows you condone the murder of Palestinians which you have always shown on this board.A person who cared about the welfare of Palestinians would be more than willing to clarify their position.


Without further ado I can tell you I totally condemn "suicide attacks" of any kind although unlike your one dimensional look at the problem,I understand it as a David Vs. Goliath tactic.

To clarify my error on those released. I had never seen Israel release the type of people you were talking about before. They always released people who had very little time left in their sentences and the Israeli cabinet has been unanimous about not letting people go with "blood on their hands." From sketchy reports I've seen there may be an internal political price to pay for this. There is still another stage in 2 months for the other half of the prisoners to be released. This thing is still unfolding so don't get so big headed about you being right.

As far as 'murder" you should realize that when you fire rockets from Apache helicopters,drop bombs from F16's, use tanks,cluster bombs,phosphorous etc on tightly packed civilian populations as Israel has done to Palestinians it doesn't get any more truer to the definition of "mass murderer" than that. So where is your agreement on that point? This is not self defense as Hillary and others would say. This is pure unadulterated genocide. When I have said stuff like this in the past, you pull out some Zionist video made by a Zionist showing Palestinians dancing in the streets which has been debunked years ago. You're full of shit that you condemn the killing of Palestinians.

[Mike at A+]

I'm asking you to clarify your answer. Your strong hesitation to answer shows you condone the murder of Palestinians which you have always shown on this board.A person who cared about the welfare of Palestinians would be more than willing to clarify their position.


Without further ado I can tell you I totally condemn "suicide attacks" of any kind although unlike your one dimensional look at the problem,I understand it as a David Vs. Goliath tactic.

To clarify my error on those released. I had never seen Israel release the type of people you were talking about before. They always released people who had very little time left in their sentences and the Israeli cabinet has been unanimous about not letting people go with "blood on their hands." From sketchy reports I've seen there may be an internal political price to pay for this. There is still another stage in 2 months for the other half of the prisoners to be released. This thing is still unfolding so don't get so big headed about you being right.

As far as 'murder" you should realize that when you fire rockets from Apache helicopters,drop bombs from F16's, use tanks,cluster bombs,phosphorous etc on tightly packed civilian populations as Israel has done to Palestinians it doesn't get any more truer to the definition of "mass murderer" than that. So where is your agreement on that point? This is not self defense as Hillary and others would say. This is pure unadulterated genocide. When I have said stuff like this in the past, you pull out some Zionist video made by a Zionist showing Palestinians dancing in the streets which has been debunked years ago. You're full of shit that you condemn the killing of Palestinians.
I would GLADLY "condemn the killing of Palestineans" if Israel was doing it UNPROVOKED. But what choices do they have? Terrorists send rockets into Israel targeting civilian areas and even schools and then they run and hide among the civilian population. So until they stop instigating, Israel will and should take out these bastards and not give a shit who may be nearby. As I said before, Israel doesn't send suicide bombers into Palestinean territories and they don't fire any weapons out of the blue like the Palestinean terrorists do. This is pretty simple stuff. If you pick a fight with someone who can kick your ass, don't go crying when you get your ass kicked.

[bigmack]

Without further ado I can tell you I totally condemn "suicide attacks" of any kind although unlike your one dimensional look at the problem,I understand it as a David Vs. Goliath tactic.
Speaking of one dimensional...When do you suspect you'll wake-up and find at fault the REAL SOB'S. Arafat & Co.

You talk about the injustice they feel from Israel. How 'bout you talking about how Yassar & his buddies COMPLETELY F***ED them and couldn't care less about their own people. A self aggrandizing leader is FAR WORSE than any of the 'brought on by themselves' persecution from IS.

So far, Prince's team has determined that part of the Palestinian leader's wealth was in a secret portfolio worth close to $1 billion -- with investments in companies like a Coca-Cola bottling plant in Ramallah, a Tunisian cell phone company and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

Although the money for the portfolio came from public funds like Palestinian taxes, virtually none of it was used for the Palestinian people; it was all controlled by Arafat. And, Prince says, none of these dealings were made public.

"Arafat for years would cry poor, saying, 'I can't pay the salaries, we're gonna have a disaster here, the Palestinian economy is going to collapse,'" says Indyk. "And we would all mouth those words: 'The Palestinian economy is going to collapse if we don't do something about this.' But at the same time, he's accumulating hundreds of millions of dollars."

The stockpile went well beyond the portfolio. Arafat accumulated another $1 billion with the help of -- of all people -- the Israelis. Under the Oslo Accords, it was agreed that Israel would collect sales taxes on goods purchased by Palestinians and transfer those funds to the Palestinian treasury. But instead, Indyk says, "that money is transferred to Yasser Arafat to, amongst other places, bank accounts which he maintains off-line in Israel."

[plainolebill]

Max Keiser rant (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1271/473/Libya_Will_Strike_Back_At_Financial_Terrorists.htm l)

[PaceAdvantage]

Ok, Start naming places and times. Although Cheney claimed Hussein had a part in 9/11, he never produce any evidence. No doubt Hussein was a bad man, but not in the league with Libyan nut job. We spent about 2 billion dollars and no American lives were lost in Libya. We spent a trillion dollars in Iraq and 4400 American soldiers were killed and countless more were badly injured in Iraq. Who had the better plan? In nether place will we get a government thats pro-American because the people in that part of the world hate our guts. The best we can hope for is one that will not support anti-American terrorists.Detective, Iraq was declared a state sponsor of terrorism as early as the CARTER ADMINISTRATION!

Here is an exhaustive list, complete with sources:

http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/

[woodtoo]

Hmm, could it be you support the Palestinian murder of Jews?[/QUOTE]

No brainer:rolleyes:

[Light]

Hmm, could it be you support the Palestinian murder of Jews?
No brainer:rolleyes:

Moron.

[Light]

Speaking of one dimensional...When do you suspect you'll wake-up and find at fault the REAL SOB'S. Arafat & Co.

You talk about the injustice they feel from Israel. How 'bout you talking about how Yassar & his buddies COMPLETELY F***ED them and couldn't care less about their own people. A self aggrandizing leader is FAR WORSE than any of the 'brought on by themselves' persecution from IS.

That's right. Blame everyone but the pink elephant in the room.

[Light]

I would GLADLY "condemn the killing of Palestineans" if Israel was doing it UNPROVOKED. But what choices do they have? Terrorists send rockets into Israel targeting civilian areas and even schools and then they run and hide among the civilian population. So until they stop instigating, Israel will and should take out these bastards and not give a shit who may be nearby. As I said before, Israel doesn't send suicide bombers into Palestinean territories and they don't fire any weapons out of the blue like the Palestinean terrorists do. This is pretty simple stuff. If you pick a fight with someone who can kick your ass, don't go crying when you get your ass kicked.

Yep. Everything Palestinians do is their own fault, even getting killed by Israeli's.Some day when I'm feeling insane I'll ask for your explanation of this fascinating phenomena.

[Light]

BTW ,isn't it just great to be able to kill Palestinians with immunity by constantly blaming them for getting killed by "the good guys". You don't have to have any moral responsibility. Just call them terrorists, sprinkle in a little propaganda here, a little there and you can look totally justified. Ah! Life is sweet for the chosen ones.

[PaceAdvantage]

There has to come a point where the Palestinians have to own their plight, and stop blaming Israel. The Palestinians ARE the instigators here for the most part. And they are also the LOSERS from the first go around...

To the WINNERS go the spoils.

As someone said, if you poke the big dog with a stick often enough, the big dog is going to bite back.

And how come the big military/money power players in the region, such as Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc....how come they don't put some serious muscle behind the Palestinian movement? Or do they just not give as much of a crap about the plight of Palestinians, as say our very own Light does?

The United States is in no position to get into another huge war right now...you'd think now would be the perfect time for regional powers to get behind the Palestinians against Israel...so why aren't they Light? Please tell me...aren't they as passionate about what's going on as you are?

[Tom]

Throwing rocks at a guy with a rifle is what I call natural selection.

[bigmack]

That's right. Blame everyone but the pink elephant in the room.
Like I said, ONE dimensional.

ATTN ALL: There's only ONE reason Palestinians CAN'T get anywhere. Themselves.

Whoopsie. No, Dummy. According to Light, the sole reason is ISRAEL!!

Spread the word. :D

[Light]

BM

The pink elephant in the room is Israeli military occupation in Palestinian territories restricting every aspect of their lives. Constantly blaming the Palestinians for their own problems without acknowledging this huge pink elephant is a joke.

[Light]

And how come the big military/money power players in the region, such as Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc....how come they don't put some serious muscle behind the Palestinian movement?

What do you want them to do? Start a war with Israel. I don't think their economies could handle that even if they wanted to. They do provide economic assistance to Palestinians and have assimilated many Palestinian refugees into their borders.So they get credit for some assistance.I notice you didn't include Egypt in your list. I assume you know the U.S. has bought Egypt's cooperation with Israel in keeping the Palestinians bottled up in Gaza. One of the reasons for Mubarak's fall. How ironic Americans hailed Egypt's "Arab Spring".