View Full Version : Desormeaux quits riding...AGAIN
Surprised nobody caught it. In the 5th at Keeneland, Kent stops riding the last hundred yards or so and costs the horse 3rd. He also cost those that had his horse 3rd in the trifecta a bet.
http://www.keeneland.com/racing/frames/replay.aspx
Then again, the chart maker didn't catch it either.
ByeByeBuck
10-16-2011, 08:11 PM
The most talented "gutless" rider I've ever seen.
Jeff P
10-16-2011, 08:18 PM
Anyone else besides me think the 8 won that race instead of the 2 (based on the slow motion instant replay?)
Suggestion:
Put the instant replay camera dead nuts on the wire (instead of off to the side.)
Keeneland has far too many instances where the official photo finish camera and the slow motion instant replay camera show two entirely different outcomes.
-jp
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Greyfox
10-16-2011, 08:40 PM
Desormeaux was warned about quitting years ago by Bob Baffert.
Baffert told him that the owners want the cash. A quit robs them.
He learned his lesson for awhile, but apparently old habits are hard to break.
Speed Figure
10-17-2011, 12:00 AM
I saw him doing that back in 99. I would always hate to single him because I knew him may pull that. He's the reason I didn't bet Honest Lady in the 2000 Breeders' Cup Sprint! If any other jockey had been on her, it would have been one of my biggest bets ever!
ByeByeBuck
10-17-2011, 12:23 AM
Looks like the horse next to him came out just a little bit, and Kent didn't even need to, but checked slightly and then he decided to pack it in.
When handicapping him, you have to assume he is probably going to take his horse outside and wide if he can, and he's the only jockey I've ever had to assume that with.
FAKIRIS
10-17-2011, 02:29 AM
Just watched the replay, how does this bum get any mounts at all.:ThmbDown:
toussaud
10-17-2011, 02:57 AM
that is a good question. must have a damn good agent.
Where are the stewards?
That demands a suspension and hefty fine.
Like, make the sap pay the purse he stole from the owners.
If ever there was person I have zero use for, it is this jerk.
On track off track, he is a total arse.
Where are the stewards?
That demands a suspension and hefty fine.
Like, make the sap pay the purse he stole from the owners.
If ever there was person I have zero use for, it is this jerk.
On track off track, he is a total arse.
Why should stewards care? It seems by the response here that very few bettors care. Most would rather talk about a janitor getting laid off.
I'd rather see the janitor ride his mounts.
Greyfox
10-17-2011, 02:47 PM
In Hong Kong he'd be gone.
classhandicapper
10-17-2011, 03:09 PM
Maybe we all need to start building his behavior into our odds line when we consider using him for 2nd or 3rd. :rolleyes: He did this to me one time. I had a $400 place bet and he stopped riding late. The horse lost the bob for 2nd. I wanted to kill him, but I was in my living room in my pajamas. :mad:
thaskalos
10-17-2011, 03:11 PM
Why should stewards care? It seems by the response here that very few bettors care. Most would rather talk about a janitor getting laid off.
And what would an enthusiastic response here accomplish CJ?
It's not that these sorts of rides are uncommon occurrences; they happen with some regularity...
And when the bettor raises his voice in protest, he is called a "paranoid loser" by those working within the industry...who are quick to chime in and question the horseplayer's sanity for continuing to play a game which may not be "in the up and up".
Maybe we are all getting a little sick and tired of being accused of highlighting all the "negatives" of this game...and tarnishing the game's integrity and reputation -- thus making it more difficult for all the new fans to flock to this game...
Maybe we are all getting a little sick and tired of being accused of highlighting all the "negatives" of this game...and tarnishing the game's integrity and reputation -- thus making it more difficult for all the new fans to flock to this game...
So instead we talk about a slanted article talking about the layoff of janitors? Seriously?
The game should have a tarnished image until stuff like this goes away.
thaskalos
10-17-2011, 03:19 PM
So instead we talk about a slanted article talking about the layoff of janitors? Seriously?
The game should have a tarnished image until stuff like this goes away.
I agree...the game does deserve its tarnished image!
And "stuff like this" will NOT go away...because the game turns a deaf ear to the horseplayers, and their concerns.
Which explains the dire circumstances this "sport" finds itself in...
SansuiSC
10-17-2011, 03:22 PM
It's so blatant so often it isn't funny and has to be considered in handicapping any race he is involved in. Waste of talent he once had. The game is tough enough and then you have to take things like this into play.
Simply stated...SAD
redshift1
10-17-2011, 03:23 PM
So what's the reason for his percieved lack of effort late in a race? What could he possibly stand to gain.
And what would an enthusiastic response here accomplish CJ?
Maybe we are all getting a little sick and tired of being accused of highlighting all the "negatives" of this game...and tarnishing the game's integrity and reputation -- thus making it more difficult for all the new fans to flock to this game...
What integrity???
Casino
10-17-2011, 03:28 PM
Why should stewards care? It seems by the response here that very few bettors care. Most would rather talk about a janitor getting laid off.
CJ,i work for the board of education and i know a few janitors and they are hard working indivisuals like you and many others.They depend on there job to feed there families some are even putting there kids thru a college education on there salary.
Janitors,waiters,executives,cops,we are all equal.
thaskalos
10-17-2011, 03:30 PM
So what's the reason for his percieved lack of effort late in a race? What could he possibly stand to gain.
This is not a question that the horseplayer should be made to answer...
It is not our job to figure out Mr. Desormeaux's motives for what he does...or does not do.
The rules categorically state that the jockey should do his best in order for his mount to gain the best placing possible...and this was clearly not the case here.
Of course..."saving" a horse is so rampant...it is considered part of "doing business" in this game...
jelly
10-17-2011, 03:52 PM
[QUOTE=thaskalos]I agree...the game does deserve its tarnished image!
[COLOR=Red]And "stuff like this" will NOT go away...because the game turns a deaf ear to the horseplayers, and their concerns.
Which explains the dire circumstances this "sport" finds itself in...[/QUOTE
Very true :(
CJ,i work for the board of education and i know a few janitors and they are hard working indivisuals like you and many others.They depend on there job to feed there families some are even putting there kids thru a college education on there salary.
Janitors,waiters,executives,cops,we are all equal.
I have no doubt that they are. It still has little to nothing to do with horse racing. People get laid off all the time. CEOs get fired. I just don't see why it is a topic of discussion on a horse racing board.
So what's the reason for his percieved lack of effort late in a race? What could he possibly stand to gain.
You do realize he has done this and been punished on numerous occasions, right? I would make a wager he has done this more than the next five top riders combined.
I agree...the game does deserve its tarnished image!
And "stuff like this" will NOT go away...because the game turns a deaf ear to the horseplayers, and their concerns.
Which explains the dire circumstances this "sport" finds itself in...
I agree. The shocking part is that it also involves owners and trainers. This man should be denied a license.
redshift1
10-17-2011, 04:13 PM
This is not a question that the horseplayer should be made to answer...
It is not our job to figure out Mr. Desormeaux's motives for what he does...or does not do.
The rules categorically state that the jockey should do his best in order for his mount to gain the best placing possible...and this was clearly not the case here.
Of course..."saving" a horse is so rampant...it is considered part of "doing business" in this game...
True, that's why handicapping for a living is so tough, especially when trainers use races as conditioning works.
KD has quite the resume of what seem like irresponsible behaviors, makes you wonder why trainers use him at all.
redshift1
10-17-2011, 04:20 PM
You do realize he has done this and been punished on numerous occasions, right? I would make a wager he has done this more than the next five top riders combined.
Yes, I remember the 2010 Derby (I thinks that's the one).
PhantomOnTour
10-17-2011, 04:26 PM
Was there a specific time when this behavior from Kent began?
Surely he hasn't always pulled this stunt, huh?
Just wondering if something happened personally or professionally that may have given birth to his apathetic behavior.....divorce? losing the Belmont on Real Quiet? ditto for Big Brown?
He was riding for the Triple Crown twice and failed...that's got to take a toll.
overthehill
10-17-2011, 04:30 PM
remember jeffrey fell? last year he rode he took every horse he rode wide.
Robert Fischer
10-17-2011, 04:35 PM
to be as fair as possible the horse faltered in the final furlong. However KD did not persevere.
this was really tough because if he had pushed the horse, he would likely have saved 3rd.
In reality he may or may not have "done right by the horse". We know he did wrong by the bettor.
this is an incident @ a premiere track. The propaganda guys in racing NEED to address this. We really should be hearing an announcement regarding a stewards review of the incident, as well as medical information on the horse who may have come out of that one with some "lameness". Image is important here.
overthehill
10-17-2011, 04:47 PM
any of you watch the riding or stewards decisions in delaware?thats one place i steer clear of.
stringmail
10-17-2011, 05:12 PM
This doesn't seem like anything new. While it should be addressed, the ability to adapt is essential.
I try to avoid using KD in any vertical wager unless it is on top. I learned my lessons with him and CNak in So Cal too many times to count but there is still a lot of talent there when motivated. Look at the ride he gave It's My Turn yesterday at Kee. Did the horse trip out? Sure, but KD can carry them to wire. He gets them in position to win but when he senses the horse won't get there he wraps them up quite often.
Definitely a requirement to watch replays when seeing a horse KD rode last out.
Cardus
10-17-2011, 10:44 PM
Well, since the NYRA thread is closed, I figured that it was important to note that Desormeaux not riding out mounts is a VITAL integrity issue. Clearly, the latest incident is just that... the latest incident.
It has received scant comment here.
PaceAdvantage
10-18-2011, 03:00 AM
It's only one page shy of that now closed NYRA thread....maybe there is hope after all...
depalma113
10-18-2011, 05:47 AM
Give the guy a break, he's just doing his part to show that the new whip rules in Europe should come to North America.
Canarsie
10-18-2011, 06:51 AM
Why should stewards care? It seems by the response here that very few bettors care. .
I for one wrote a letter to Keeneland yesterday. There is an option to do it under contact us and it took less than ten minutes to write a few paragraphs. If a few more on here would do the same there is a decidedly greater chance that an action will be taken.
Last time I looked there is strength in numbers.
I for one wrote a letter to Keeneland yesterday. There is an option to do it under contact us and it took less than ten minutes to write a few paragraphs. If a few more on here would do the same there is a decidedly greater chance that an action will be taken.
Last time I looked there is strength in numbers.
I had already done the same.
FenceBored
10-18-2011, 08:59 AM
Well, since the NYRA thread is closed, I figured that it was important to note that Desormeaux not riding out mounts is a VITAL integrity issue. Clearly, the latest incident is just that... the latest incident.
It has received scant comment here.
Oh ye of little faith, thinking these threads could not be linked.
Kent makes his home in NY, ergo NYRA is responsible for his riding habits.
{background music: Blame NYRA (to the tune of Blame Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDrqa-eTXU))}
Cardus
10-18-2011, 01:56 PM
Oh ye of little faith, thinking these threads could not be linked.
Kent makes his home in NY, ergo NYRA is responsible for his riding habits.
{background music: Blame NYRA (to the tune of Blame Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDrqa-eTXU))}
"Linking" the threads was not my point.
FenceBored
10-18-2011, 02:14 PM
"Linking" the threads was not my point.
Oh, you had one?
pondman
10-18-2011, 03:05 PM
in So Cal too many times to count but there is still a lot of talent there when motivated. Look at the ride he gave It's My Turn yesterday at Kee. Did the horse trip out?
If you ask who was the greatest apprentice rider every, I'd say Desormeaux. He had it at 16-- could ride against the best of the best as a teenager. I don't understand what happened to his career. But he can ride.
Canarsie
10-18-2011, 05:50 PM
I had already done the same.
I didn't expect any less of you. Now if every person who read this thread took 5-10 minutes of their time to do the same we REALLY might get some CONCRETE results.
If you choose not to you lose the right to bitch about a ride like this at least in my opinion. I didn't even bet the race and included that in my comments. By doing so I think it makes the argument stronger.
redshift1
10-19-2011, 04:15 PM
Desormeaux with a $37.00 winner @ Keeneland, must be reading this thread.
Desormeaux with a $37.00 winner @ Keeneland, must be reading this thread.
Nobody says he doesn't ride to win, the problem is it is win or nothing.
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