It is Tebow Time in Denver

[Robert Goren]

From FoxSports
"Head coach John Fox informed his team Tuesday morning that Tebow will be the starting quarterback in Week 7 for an Oct. 23 game at Miami, FOXSports.com has learned. The Broncos have a bye this week."
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-broncos-quarterback-tim-tebow-to-start-over-kyle-orton-101111

[Zippy Chippy]

Good time for a bye week. I think Tebow should have been QB'ing from week 1. He might not do good, but theres something about having a proven winner on your team (even though it was only college). He's a winner. I like him.

[Casino]

From FoxSports
"Head coach John Fox informed his team Tuesday morning that Tebow will be the starting quarterback in Week 7 for an Oct. 23 game at Miami, FOXSports.com has learned. The Broncos have a bye this week."
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-broncos-quarterback-tim-tebow-to-start-over-kyle-orton-101111

hasnt thrown a spiral his whole career.

[Zippy Chippy]

Brady Quinn must be on suicide watch. Must stink having a QB controversy between 2 guys, and you are the 3rd guy just looking on. That guy had so much promise.

[Robert Fischer]

Brady Quinn must be on suicide watch. Must stink having a QB controversy between 2 guys, and you are the 3rd guy just looking on. That guy had so much promise.

he's got it made! :lol:

[Canarsie]

Brady Quinn must be on suicide watch. Must stink having a QB controversy between 2 guys, and you are the 3rd guy just looking on. That guy had so much promise.

Not really he's a classy guy read this.

With QB controversy erupting in Denver, Quinn flies to girlfriend’s side

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/With-QB-controversy-erupting-in-Denver-Quinn-fl?urn=nfl-wp9131

[Patrick333]

I wonder who the Denver fans will want at QB in a month?

[cj]

I wonder who the Denver fans will want at QB in a month?

It won't be Kyle Orton.

[Canarsie]

I wonder who the Denver fans will want at QB in a month?


Brett Favre?

[LottaKash]

From an entertainment value point of view, I think that Tebow will bring some sorely needed "of that" to the fans of Denver....

Living in the heart of "Gator" country, yet not being a great fan of them, after awhile because of sheer constant exposure, I began to take a keener interest in Tebow's exploits on the field....He was just plain fun and exciting just to watch....He had this certain something, that most of the other and perhaps even more talented QB's didn't seem to have.....Call it a "dimension" that the others were missing when searching for that fun and exciting factor to watch....I mean he could beat you in so many ways when you wern't looking....

Tebow could be the "x" factor that is sorely lacking in today's NFL lineup of QB's....Will he make it on that level as a Pro, no one can be certain of that just yet...But he does have the smarts and the desire, so I'd say give him the chance to prove it.....By beefing up the O-line, and creating some new plays centered around him, that would take advantage of his talents, he could be the foundation for a new and improved Bronco's team...(And of course, if they could plug up some of the holes in their "D" as well)

I will be watching the Broncos with renewed interest....

best,

[Valuist]

hasnt thrown a spiral his whole career.

Who cares? When you cash a ticket at the track the teller doesn't ask you how much the horse won by, or what their Beyer number was. In the end, the only thing that matters is results. Not potential; not athletism or style points. Maybe Tebow will fail. But the combine-files get it wrong all the time. They were the ones suggesting that Ryan Leaf should be drafted ahead of Manning.

[Ocala Mike]

Who cares? When you cash a ticket at the track the teller doesn't ask you how much the horse won by, or what their Beyer number was. In the end, the only thing that matters is results. Not potential; not athletism or style points. Maybe Tebow will fail. But the combine-files get it wrong all the time. They were the ones suggesting that Ryan Leaf should be drafted ahead of Manning.


:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Best post in this thread, title of which should be "It is Tebow Time in Miami."
They're honoring him and the 2008 Gator team at this Dolphin game. No love shown for the local Hurricanes, however.


Ocala Mike

[sandpit]

He couldn't get a better team to kickoff the Tebow era...Dolphins are horrible.

[DigitalDownsJoe]

Living in Florida, I know Tim Tebow has to be one of the most revered athletes to ever have come out of this state. People love him, and he is a winner. Trust me when I say this as a Florida State fan, he has guts and a competitive edge like a John Elway. He is intense and very intelligent, and what he lacks in a proto type QB, he makes up for it toughness and creativeness. I picked him up as my 2nd QB in a 2 starter QB league, I mean he cant do worse then Kevin Kolb or Tavaris Jackson has done for me as my 2nd QB, so I hope he does well. Not only for my fantasy team, but in general, he is a good guy! I think he fits in nicely there, and I hope he kills the Dolphins who should have drafted him!!

[Marshall Bennett]

He couldn't get a better team to kickoff the Tebow era...Dolphins are horrible.
I agree and find it interesting that odds makers have Dolphins favored by 2.

[Canarsie]

I agree and find it interesting that odds makers have Dolphins favored by 2.

You have a lot of people betting with their heart and others with "smart" money.

Thank heavens for the internet would have never remembered the year without looking it up. The Bills were 0-10 in 1971 and were favored at home against the Patriots by a point or two. Everybody jumped on the Patriots bandwagon and of course they lost. It was the only game the Bills won all season 27-20.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1971.htm

Amazing the stuff you can find if you dig deeper the computers got it wrong also.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflmup71.htm

[Zippy Chippy]

Denver is the team I never go with or against. They screw me. I am not touching this game, but I actually think its a good spot to take Denver.

[Marshall Bennett]

Denver is the team I never go with or against. They screw me.
I feel the same about the Texans & Cowboys. I like both, but never bet on or against them. They've hurt me often.

[Robert Fischer]

LOVE betting AGAINST the Texans THIS wk @ +3??? are you kidding me?

DIVISION BATTLE
Titans coming out of a bye and playing @ home...
Texans shell-shocked from being run over...
If he's "sound" Titans horse Chris Johnson will have his breakout game here.

[DigitalDownsJoe]

especially with Mario Williams out! I love CJ this week for going over 125 with atleast 1 td

[mountainman]

Tebow fails to meet the most basic job requirement for an nfl qb. He's worse than a poor passer. He throws like a girl. No chance he succeeds in longrun, and Elway WILL unload him.

[cj]

How in the world did the Dolphins not sell out on Tebow running for the 2 point conversion. Wasn't there about a 99.4% chance that was the plan? How did the coach not know that?

[Zippy Chippy]

I am rooting so hard for the Dolphins right now. Because if Denver wins it will be all over the news that Tebow is so awesome, and clutch. When in actuality he was absolutely HORRIBLE today..

Im the 1st to admit im shocked how he played, I thought he'd have a great game. Until the last 2 mins he was non existent.

[CryingForTheHorses]

How in the world did the Dolphins not sell out on Tebow running for the 2 point conversion. Wasn't there about a 99.4% chance that was the plan? How did the coach not know that?


Thats because the Dolphins SUCK :ThmbDown:

[Canarsie]

How in the world did the Dolphins not sell out on Tebow running for the 2 point conversion. Wasn't there about a 99.4% chance that was the plan? How did the coach not know that?

1. There's a reason they haven't won a game this year.

2. With a head coach and staff not planning against it shows that the ax may fall sooner than later.

3. Isn't it amazing that an average fan can see what might be in the play call and the coordinators don't have a clue.

[Robert Goren]

LOVE betting AGAINST the Texans THIS wk @ +3??? are you kidding me?

DIVISION BATTLE
Titans coming out of a bye and playing @ home...
Texans shell-shocked from being run over...
If he's "sound" Titans horse Chris Johnson will have his breakout game here.I hope you didn't lose too much.

[Robert Fischer]

ROBERT FISCHER'S SPREAD BASED SCHEME FOR THE PROS

otherwise known as PARKAY or TEBOWBALL OR URBAN MEYER PROHIBITION GANGSTA ALIAS



TEBOW could benefit from a spread offense like Meyer ran in college.

as a matter of fact its HIGH TIMES an NFL front office did it up right :cool:


for a few teams that can't get an ELITE PASSING QB

here are the benefits


NO MORE QB ENTITLEMENTS!!! (SPREAD QB OFFENSE)


LOW BASE SALARY(highly replaceable "parts")
INCENTIVE LADEN OPPORTUNITIES (YARDS SNAPS SCORES)
SHORT TERM("life-expectancy of career" low)
MAJOR IMPACT ON ROSTER

CARRIES 4+ HYBRID QBS (glorified running backs with good coaching)
More money to be spent on other skill positions (and NOT ON QB, WR!!!)
TAP INTO UNWANTED TALENT - (UNDERSIZED INTERIOR O-LINEMAN GENIUS!

SHORTER QBS FROM OUR SPREAD OFFENSE ATHLETE POOL MEANS GIANT INTERIOR O-LINEMAN UNNECCESSARY, OVERPRICED, SLOW, OVERPRICED AGAIN!
TRADITIONALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND EVEN DIV-1 SCHOOLS PUMP-OUT TALENTED CENTERS AND GUARDS WHO END UP BEING CONVERTED TO D-TACKLE OR RARELY LONGSNAP. - WE WANT 'EM!
OFFENSIVE TACKLES = EVEN GIANT 6'9 380LB EXTERIOR LINEMAN WOULD BE WAY OVERPAID WITHOUT PROTECTING "THE BLIND SIDE"
INSTEAD MOBILE, ATHLETIC DOWNFIELD BLOCKING LINEMAN SPARK NEW EVOLUTIONS ON THE LINE AS WELL!!
THE HURRY-UP IS DEADLY WHEN THE D-LINE IS EXHAUSTED
THE MASS DIFFERENCE IS NEGATED IN SHORT-YARDAGE AND GOAL-LINE BECAUSE THE QB IS ANOTHER RUNNING BACK A-OPTION TO ACCOUNT FOR.
ON OFFENSE THE MOBILE neO-LINEMAN ARE SO IMPORTANT, THE GENERALLY LESS EXPENSIVE MULTI-TALENT WR(THINK HINES WARD) AND THE 5-TOOL TIGHT END, THE JOHN KUHNS(fullbacks that make plays with blocking), and the QBs that execute the great playcalling with brave running carry the OFFENSE.
THE DEFENSE IS LOADED WITH TALENT due to the offense's lack of need for expensive players.

[Robert Fischer]

I hope you didn't lose too much.


That may have been the Texans best game in franchise history :lol::lol:

[Hanover1]

LOVE betting AGAINST the Texans THIS wk @ +3??? are you kidding me?

DIVISION BATTLE
Titans coming out of a bye and playing @ home...
Texans shell-shocked from being run over...
If he's "sound" Titans horse Chris Johnson will have his breakout game here.

Hope you went easy......

[Ocala Mike]

TEBOW could benefit from a spread offense like Meyer ran in college.

as a matter of fact its HIGH TIMES an NFL front office did it up right :cool:





Didn't watch today's game, but I think Denver may have listened to you here. Meanwhile, the worst QB in the NFL is 2-1 as a starter.


Ocala Mike

[Ocala Mike]

Make that 3-1 as a starter.


Ocala Mike

[cj]

Make that 3-1 as a starter.


Ocala Mike

I wouldn't give him much credit. I guess you can say he didn't lose it at least.

[Valuist]

Make that 3-1 as a starter.


Ocala Mike

Yes that is true.

The Broncos also have run for over 900 yards in those 4 games. If you can run for over 200 yards in an NFL game, odds are overwhelming you will win.

And yes, Tebow has accounted for some of the 900 rush yards. But the jury is really out on whether this guy can play QB in the league.

[sandpit]

If Tebow was 2 for 8 against the might Chiefs defense, what will he be next week against the Jets? Denver will have to rush for 400 yards to win that game, even if it is at home.

So far the wins have come against Miami, Oakland and the Chiefs...not the best the league has to offer.

[PhantomOnTour]

I don't know what the heck to think now.
Didn't see the whole game...just the last Bronco drive
Good Lord

[KingChas]

Deja Vu.... ;) ....Throw out the stats and enjoy the ride!

[newtothegame]

If Tebow was 2 for 8 against the might Chiefs defense, what will he be next week against the Jets? Denver will have to rush for 400 yards to win that game, even if it is at home.

So far the wins have come against Miami, Oakland and the Chiefs...not the best the league has to offer.
Tebow 9-20 104yds passing......8-68 rushing with 1TD
But, more importantly, LAST DRIVE 95 YDS with the game on the line.....
Ugliest stats I may have ever seen on a regular basis...then, poof, all he does is WIN!

[thaskalos]

Smoke and mirrors, IMO...

[Robert Fischer]

tebow broke the option rule for the NFL


seriously
a team comprised of cheaper , shorter(not necessary, but a 6'1 QB is just as good as a 6'5QB in this scheme) running QBs Tebow, Pryor, and 2 of the best running qbs in div1 or black college

Cheaper, smaller(basically shorter) more mobile upfield 0-lineman(6'0 280lbs...),] while they run all the silly shotgun fake handoffs these quick lineman are RUNNING around like big tight ends, with more intricate plays, making serious blocking schemes that stampede any teams built to stop passing teams like the packers.

cheaper multi-talent fullbacks/halfbacks(block/run/catch think john kuhn...) see blockers, these guys can also be the "athletic" qb guys too for a bigger threat especially 1 of 2 in 2 back sets

cheaper multi-talent wrs(block catch run, think hines ward), they gotta block here, basically we want tight-end/wr types and the warriors like ward and other veterans

and most importantly a genius coach @ the spread option system(think urban meyer)


and spend TONS of salary cap on stars on each level of the defense because your offense is so cheap



= THE BUSINESS MODEL for the bum teams to be playoff competitive and popular with the fans
*and by bum teams I mean the teams that currently can't get a top 10-15 "in the conversation of elite" type of QB that anyone could believe could be a superbowl contender.


if the shitty Broncos can do this well, with this limited , half-ass version of the spread option, with only 1 QB capable of running (tebow) who is doomed to eventual hampering injuries, and they don't have a genius spread option coach, and they have NOT exploited this system to stack their Defense with all stars...
imagine what an ORGANIZED team could do...


some people used to say there was an unwritten rule that the NFL didn't want this kind of ball... but that ironically TEBOW is the blue eyed wholesome symbol that can break the barriers that some random squad of "athletic" qbs couldn't in spite of the potential for more of the "PARITY" that the NFL so loves :eek:

[PhantomOnTour]

You cannot tackle the Holy Ghost!

[Canarsie]

I'm not a Tebow fan by any means and this is going to hurt Denver in the long run but how can you argue with the results.

I can't imagine a free agent receiver signing with them as long he is taking snaps. Nor can I see them wasting a pick on a wideout till the fifth round.

I think it would serve Elway right if he proved me wrong and took a receiver in the first round and he demanded to be traded.

[skate]

he is learning

he doesnt get receivers beat up

doesnt through ball away nor fumble

he's winning.

defense has come to life, so have the fans.

breaks tackles...his option is GO, not out of bounds, not slidding. go babe.:cool:

they aint paying this guy enough

[Robert Fischer]

HAVE! to get rid of ORTON! :ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

makes no sense costing your team an offense, by having your back-up run a MUCH dif offense.


HUGE MOVE NOW FOR DENVER!!! = IF They Grab a Tebow clone, or a Pryor, or good athletic qb

he is learning

he doesnt get receivers beat up

doesnt through ball away nor fumble

he's winning.

defense has come to life, so have the fans.

breaks tackles...his option is GO, not out of bounds, not slidding. go babe.:cool:

they aint paying this guy enough

[Canarsie]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35826/elway-not-ready-to-commit-to-tebow

Oh my what does Elway know anyway. Everybody speaking in positive terms of his quarterbacking ability on here knows far more then a two time Super Bowl QB on judging talent.

I think Tebow's a terrific guy but just like the wildcat he's going the way of the dinosaur. He might be built like a rock but eventually rocks break into pieces when they weaken.

[Canarsie]

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33460060

[skate]

guess he'll go back to the bears...too many int. for my blood.

[Canarsie]

https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:1401345.7353009454/rid:38e7300963ebcb832a644eca4c0f4d24

[headhawg]

guess he'll go back to the bears...too many int. for my blood.Doubtful. More likely KC.

[Striker]

Doubtful. More likely KC.
Yep very doubtful Chicago gets him, given the fact that Houston and KC have priority to get him before the Bears. But there is a rumor that he won't play/show up for the Chiefs if they claim him first.

[Canarsie]

Yep very doubtful Chicago gets him, given the fact that Houston and KC have priority to get him before the Bears. But there is a rumor that he won't play/show up for the Chiefs if they claim him first.


He would count as 2.6 million against the cap I don't know where each team is at concerning that.

If he didn't report he will be considered retired as far as I know. That would be a very stupid thing to do for six games. That's a lot of money to lose just to make a stance.

[Robert Goren]

Logic indicate that he would in up Miami since they had some interest in him in the preseason, but these things are seldom logical.

[Ocala Mike]

Bump. Now 5-1 as a starter; the conversation has changed from the Broncos being in the "suck for Luck" derby to "will the Broncos make the playoffs?"

Then there's Norv Turner.


Ocala Mike

[cj]

Denver's defense is playing really well, and Tebow doesn't do anything to lose that game. That has been a winning formula for a long time.

[Robert Fischer]

i like tebow, and i like the spread option...


just think it takes 2 or 3 dual threat QBs to run successfully...

worried that Tebow will get injured eventually taking this kind of pounding.

[cj]

i like tebow, and i like the spread option...


just think it takes 2 or 3 dual threat QBs to run successfully...

worried that Tebow will get injured eventually taking this kind of pounding.

You hear that a lot, but nearly all the QB injuries I can recall involve getting hit while in the pocket, not running.

[bigmack]

Hate to drifto el threado but the Chargers smelleth.

[Robert Goren]

i like tebow, and i like the spread option...


just think it takes 2 or 3 dual threat QBs to run successfully...

worried that Tebow will get injured eventually taking this kind of pounding.There is no shortage starting "drop back" QB who are out for the season already. Plenty more who has missed a game or two or are playing hurt.

[Robert Fischer]

cj and robert

agree on both points


running backs do get injured (if you want to view tebow's hits as a rb)

and when a "normal" team's QB goes down, the backup QB typically runs the same offense. If Tebow goes down, do the Broncos switch back to a traditional NFL offense?

tebow gets a helmet-to-helmet hit or shaken up, and it's almost a sure hand off

[Valuist]

22 carries for Tebow. I don't think even Vick ever got to 20 rushes in a game.

[ManU918]

22 carries for Tebow. I don't think even Vick ever got to 20 rushes in a game.

That's because they rarely call "run" plays for Vick, he just takes off when the pocket collapses. Denver calls tons of read options for Tebow.

[Pace Cap'n]

I read somewhere they went back to 1950 and couldn't find any quarterback with 20 rushes in a game.

[Robert Fischer]

its about 5min to Tebow Time now

[Robert Fischer]

http://www.neon-signs.com/neon-shop/images/denver-broncos-clock.jpg

[Casino]

Tbow wont be a starting qb next year in the nfl.

[cj]

Tbow wont be a starting qb next year in the nfl.
Looking around the league, I find that very hard to believe.

[melman]

Al Davis put it very well long ago. "Just Win Baby". Not how you look but Just Win. Really it does not matter one iota what any of us on the internet or sports talk "experts" think. It's what do his teammates think of Tebow at QB.

[witchdoctor]

When I watch Tebow, I keep thinking of Moneyball. Maybe the key to success is not completion percentage but number of turnovers.

[Casino]

Looking around the league, I find that very hard to believe.

What team would change its personal to help tbow run his option?

[ManU918]

Tbow wont be a starting qb next year in the nfl.

Why? Because everyone in the national media says he wont be?

[cj]

What team would change its personal to help tbow run his option?

Why would Denver bench him? There are a lot of crappy starting QBs in the NFL that aren't close to Tebow.

[Casino]

Why? Because everyone in the national media says he wont be?

Who can he start for?

[Tom]

Play of the Day by Fox.
Denver ties it up with seconds to go and FOX switches to the opening of the Giants game.

Nice waste of my after-frigging- noon! :mad:
I won't waste next Sunday on this chicken-shot league.

[Casino]

Why would Denver bench him? There are a lot of crappy starting QBs in the NFL that aren't close to Tebow.

Elway said in interview he doesnt have his Qb in the future on the roster.Fox said if he had to run a normal offense he would be screwed..Its been the denver defense not the denver offense in this streak,plus he isnt allowed to throw the football so dont give me he doesnt turn over the ball.And before you say hes improving Vikings are awful,heres the bottom line can tbow win a super bowl running the barry switzer offense no,so he cant be your qb period.

[Robert Goren]

Elway said in interview he doesnt have his Qb in the future on the roster.Fox said if he had to run a normal offense he would be screwed..Its been the denver defense not the denver offense in this streak,plus he isnt allowed to throw the football so dont give me he doesnt turn over the ball.And before you say hes improving Vikings are awful,heres the bottom line can tbow win a super bowl running the barry switzer offense no,so he cant be your qb period.That not what he said. He said he wasn't sure if he had the QB of the future on his team. But one thing is pretty sure, Tebow will the starting QB in Denver next year at the start of the season. It going to take a long losing streak to get him out of the starting job. There is one thing else that also for sure. There are plenty of teams with drop back passers who aren't going to the playoffs. Some of them have a ton of more talent than Denver, the Chargers just name one.

[Casino]

That not what he said. He said he wasn't sure if he had the QB of the future on his team. But one thing is pretty sure, Tebow will the starting QB in Denver next year at the start of the season. It going to take a long losing streak to get him out of the starting job. There is one thing else that also for sure. There are plenty of teams with drop back passers who aren't going to the playoffs. Some of them have a ton of more talent than Denver, the Chargers just name one.

HE was asked do you have your qb of the future on your roster he said no and he was being nice!Drop back passers have nothing to do with what im saying he has trouble hitting air in pratice,im going out on a limb and say Broncos dont make playoffs.RG do you want tbow to be qb of your team?IF your answer is no then this isnt a arguement if you say yes then you really dont care whether your team wins a super bowl.

[cj]

Play of the Day by Fox.
Denver ties it up with seconds to go and FOX switches to the opening of the Giants game.

Nice waste of my after-frigging- noon! :mad:
I won't waste next Sunday on this chicken-shot league.

Same here, switched to the Cowboys/Cardinal with 1:30 to go in the Denver game...and we are not even in the same state!

[Robert Goren]

HE was asked do you have your qb of the future on your roster he said no and he was being nice!Drop back passers have nothing to do with what im saying he has trouble hitting air in pratice,im going out on a limb and say Broncos dont make playoffs.RG do you want tbow to be qb of your team?IF your answer is no then this isnt a arguement if you say yes then you really dont care whether your team wins a super bowl. I know what he said. It has been played enough over the past few days. He said he didn't know. The Broncos are my team and as long as the team plays with him at QB the way are now, the answer is yes. The bottom line is whatever reason, the Broncos play a lot better when he at QB. After watching the likes of Orton and Cutler the last few years, Tebow looks pretty good. I have been around a long time. I can remember when the so called experts said a short passing couldn't win the super bowl. Then Joe Montana and west coast offense came along and proved them wrong. If Trent Dilfer can be a super bowl winning QB , then Tebow can too. Tebow certainly isn't a worse thrower than him.

[Casino]

RG tbow hasnt thrown a spiral his entire career..The denver defense is why they win.They wont let him throw because they know how bad of a thrower he is..Are you saying tbow is better then cutler..?There not even on the same planet.

[cj]

RG tbow hasnt thrown a spiral his entire career..The denver defense is why they win.They wont let him throw because they know how bad of a thrower he is..Are you saying tbow is better then cutler..?There not even on the same planet.

Did you even watch the game today? His passes aren't pretty, but he looked as good today as I've seen him look. Don't forget, experience wise he is still a rookie.

[Casino]

Did you even watch the game today? His passes aren't pretty, but he looked as good today as I've seen him look. Don't forget, experience wise he is still a rookie.

I have watched him since high school and yes i watched him today against a bad Viking team.,I agree he is basically a rookie,then my question to you is if your a gm CJ would you build a option offense and have tbow be your franchise qb?Fox said he would be screwed if he had to run a nfl offense its almost comical.

[Robert Goren]

RG tbow hasnt thrown a spiral his entire career..The denver defense is why they win.They wont let him throw because they know how bad of a thrower he is..Are you saying tbow is better then cutler..?There not even on the same planet.You aren't a Broncos fan or you would not be saying that. Remember we saw a lot of him, so we got pretty good idea of what he is or is not. I do not want him back on my team. I glad the Bears have him. I have hated the Bears since I was in grade school when Billy Wade was their QB. They deserve each other
PS Did you google Billy Wade to find out who he is?

[cj]

I have watched him since high school and yes i watched him today against a bad Viking team.,I agree he is basically a rookie,then my question to you is if your a gm CJ would you build a option offense and have tbow be your franchise qb?Fox said he would be screwed if he had to run a nfl offense its almost comical.

If my team was winning I wouldn't change a thing. This same type of thinking kept Doug Flutie from playing much and he won more than a lot of bums playing in the league. To me an "NFL offense" is one that wins NFL games.

Without even thinking, there are at least 8 to 10 QBs starting right now that I would take him over.

[Robert Fischer]

I like the read option (broncos)

and really like the spread option (not often broncos).


Tebow is a good ballplayer.

There's only a handful of QBs that can exploit the passing rules, and their teams have huge advantages.

I'd like to see some of the teams that can't get those elite QBs try the spread option. A guy like Tebow is great to have in there, but I don't necessarily think he should be a "Franchise" QB with a big salary. Get two-three other guys like him that can run the offense and pay them like rotating running backs. Spend the cap money on defense.

[Casino]

Im going to take a shot and say you would take him over

colt mccoy,freeman,fiztspatrick,qb in miami whoever that is,grossman,palmer,vick,cutler...

[Robert Fischer]

If my team was winning I wouldn't change a thing. This same type of thinking kept Doug Flutie from playing much and he won more than a lot of bums playing in the league. To me an "NFL offense" is one that wins NFL games.

Without even thinking, there are at least 8 to 10 QBs starting right now that I would take him over.

Flutie was a good ballplayer. :ThmbUp:

and he could THROW!

[cj]

Im going to take a shot and say you would take him over

colt mccoy,freeman,fiztspatrick,qb in miami whoever that is,grossman,palmer,vick,cutler...

Colt McCoy certainly tops the list. I think my 44 year old arm is comparable to his, and it isn't much.

[melman]

Denver was 1-4 at the start of the year with a conventional QB. They are now 7-5 with a real shot at the playoff's. Denver played the Jets a team that has been to two AFC title games in a row. Granted they have not been as good this year but still a winning team with a good (not great) defense. The Jets really wanted that game. So what happens Tebow leads them on a 95 five year TD drive in the last few minutes to win the game. Then playing SD his ace running back tells reporters after the game "I told the guys Tim and I are going to take over this game" If I were Jon Fox or John Elway I would LOVE to hear that kind of talk. Then the "experts" said Tebow cannot win a high scoring game, he needs the defense to come up big. Today's combined score was over 60 points. Over on NFL Today Dan Marino said I'm now a believer. It's not how you get it done it's do you get it done.
I have never been a huge Tebow fan either. Did not think he could lead FLA to two national titles playing in the SEC. I still don't think Tebow will ever be a top tier or "elite" QB in the NFL. However you don't have to be to win games and a title. A while back the spread offense was considered a joke in the NFL. The "experts" said that was for college ball only. I really don't care if Denver runs the only option system in the league. They could run the old wing-t for all I care. It's Just Win Baby. Not win pretty, not win because other teams don't play your style. OAK just gave up a ton in draft picks a no 1 and a no 2 for Carson Palmer. He throws a "pretty ball". A tight spiral. Did him a fat lot of good while his team was getting crushed by a Miami team that had nothing to play for but pride.

[PhantomOnTour]

I'm no Tebow fan, but I give credit to the guy...you can't argue with the results.
As Tebow once asked, "Are you not entertained?"

[nomadpat]

Some of these opinions on whether or not certain styles of offense can work in the NFL remind me of all the Derby stats. "a horse can't win the Derby off a 5-week layoff" or "a horse can't win with only 3 or 4 previous starts", etc. Why not? All of those "sacred truths" and expert opinions got knocked down.

Questions to consider: Has such an option offense really been implemented? Has there been someone who was as big as Tebow and had his running ability before?

He doesn't have to be brilliant as a passer to be effective. Just has to be competent enough to have the threat to keep defenses honest.

[Casino]

Just looked up the Tbow game yesterday the corners and 3 other defensive players werent active.They had special team players playing defense//Go ahead and buy the tbow stock.

[Casino]

Denver was 1-4 at the start of the year with a conventional QB. They are now 7-5 with a real shot at the playoff's. Denver played the Jets a team that has been to two AFC title games in a row. Granted they have not been as good this year but still a winning team with a good (not great) defense. The Jets really wanted that game. So what happens Tebow leads them on a 95 five year TD drive in the last few minutes to win the game. Then playing SD his ace running back tells reporters after the game "I told the guys Tim and I are going to take over this game" If I were Jon Fox or John Elway I would LOVE to hear that kind of talk. Then the "experts" said Tebow cannot win a high scoring game, he needs the defense to come up big. Today's combined score was over 60 points. Over on NFL Today Dan Marino said I'm now a believer. It's not how you get it done it's do you get it done.
I have never been a huge Tebow fan either. Did not think he could lead FLA to two national titles playing in the SEC. I still don't think Tebow will ever be a top tier or "elite" QB in the NFL. However you don't have to be to win games and a title. A while back the spread offense was considered a joke in the NFL. The "experts" said that was for college ball only. I really don't care if Denver runs the only option system in the league. They could run the old wing-t for all I care. It's Just Win Baby. Not win pretty, not win because other teams don't play your style. OAK just gave up a ton in draft picks a no 1 and a no 2 for Carson Palmer. He throws a "pretty ball". A tight spiral. Did him a fat lot of good while his team was getting crushed by a Miami team that had nothing to play for but pride.

Lets get this straight tbow won 1 national title Chris Leak won the other..We need to stop thinking he won 2 national titles he didnt.He was the back up qb in the first title game.

[melman]

Yes he was the backup QB. You make it sound like he had no or little part in that season.

Played in all 14 games…Ranked second on Florida with 469 yards rushing on 89 attempts (5.3 avg.) and led the team with eight rushing touchdowns…Was 22-for-33 passing for 358 yards with five touchdowns and one interception in 14 games…His 5.3 average yards per carry was second nationally among quarterbacks behind West Virginia’s Pat White (7.4)…Proved to be a double threat in the BCS National Championship Game against Ohio State, rushing 10 times for 39 yards and a TD and going 1-for-1 with a TD pass to Andre Caldwell with 23 seconds remaining until halftime…Rushed eight times for 31 yards in the SEC title game against Arkansas, with a long run of nine yards…Enjoyed a strong effort in the shutout of Western Carolina, as he was 10-for-12 for a then career-high 200 yards passing and threw a pair of touchdown passes to Riley Cooper (55, 20)…Also gained 47 yards on six carries, including a pair of touchdown runs (20, 1)…Burst through with a 12-yard touchdown run with 3:03 left against South Carolina and the successful extra point provided the Gators with a 17-16 victory…Converted a 4th-and-1 on the winning drive against USC with a six-yard rush, while gaining 29 yards on five rushing attempts, a 5.8-yard average…Had six rushes for 38 yards at Vanderbilt, including a team-best run of 25 yards… Was 1-for-3 passing for five yards…Set up the Gators’ first touchdown against Georgia with a 20-yard run down to the Bulldogs’ 14-yard line…The rush was the longest surrendered by UGA in the contest…Raced into the end zone from 16 yards out on his first carry at Auburn, giving the Gators a 17-8 lead…Scored on a one-yard run against LSU and was 2-for-2 passing with the first two TD throws of his career…Threw a one-yard jump pass to Tate Casey with 22 seconds remaining until the half to put UF ahead to stay…Connected with Louis Murphy on a 35-yard score with 12:05 left in the third quarter to give the Gators a 23-7 lead…Gained 35 yards on nine rushes (3.9 avg.), including a long of 15 yards…Carried nine times for 28 yards and scored on a two-yard touchdown run in the 28-13 win over Alabama…Completed his only passing attempt against the Crimson Tide with a 23-yard completion to Jemalle Cornelius…Electrified The Swamp with a then career-high 73 yards rushing on six carries (12.2 avg.) against Kentucky, featuring a pair of 25-yard runs…Totaled 62 yards on his first three carries versus the Wildcats and also completed a 12-yard pass to Dallas Baker…Gained 29 yards on seven rushes (4.1 avg.), with a long of 10 at Tennessee… Converted a key 4th-and-1 conversion with a two-yard run on the Gators’ game-winning drive…Led the Gators with 62 yards rushing on nine attempts (6.9 avg.) versus UCF, highlighted by a 29-yard rush that was UF’s longest carry of the season…Was 6-for-9 for 81 yards against UCF…His first career passing attempt was an 11-yard completion to Kenneth Tookes in the second quarter against Central Florida…Made his collegiate debut in the fourth quarter against Southern Miss and scored on a 1-yard touchdown run…Joined Chris Leak and Cris Collinsworth as the only true UF freshman quarterbacks to be responsible for scores in the season

[Canarsie]

Every week I say it can't last and every week he makes a fool out of me winning in all types of different ways.

All that matters is winning and he's doing that even if it's unconventional.

[cj's dad]

If Tebow were a foul mouthed thug type who taunted his opponents, took cheap shots, committed stupid penalties etc,etc.... he would widely accepted by the sports media.

As a devout Christian, he goes against the norm.

[thaskalos]

un...freaking...believable

[horses4courses]

In the big picture, who really cares about today's game?

The Bears are lame ducks who nearly gritted it out with defense today.
Win or lose today, they were done regardless.

Denver is far from a good football team.
The Pats will prove that next weekend.

[cj]

In the big picture, who really cares about today's game?

The Bears are lame ducks who nearly gritted it out with defense today.
Win or lose today, they were done regardless.

Denver is far from a good football team.
The Pats will prove that next weekend.
...and yet they keep winning.

[PhantomOnTour]

I'm no Tebow fan, but I give credit to the guy...you can't argue with the results.
As Tebow once asked, "Are you not entertained?"
Well?
Is ya or isn't ya?

[cj's dad]

This is starting to border on the surreal.

[horses4courses]

...and yet they keep winning.

They should enjoy it while they can.

[thaskalos]

In the big picture, who really cares about today's game?

The Bears are lame ducks who nearly gritted it out with defense today.
Win or lose today, they were done regardless.

Denver is far from a good football team.
The Pats will prove that next weekend.
This may be so....but it does not take away from the miracle I just witnessed.

Denver was DEAD with seven minutes to go...

[PhantomOnTour]

If the Ravens win the AFC North (and it looks like they will) i think the Steelers will be going to Denver to take on 'The Special One'

Aw great...can't wait
Big Ben, public enemy #1, vs God and everybody in Denver :faint:

[JustRalph]

Gotta cheer for the guy

That was a great hour of television

[slew101]

They were dead with 2:15 to go. Complete meltdown by the Bears, starting at 2:15 when they allow Tebow the easy TD pass at 2:08. If they hold one more play, they wouldn't have scored before the 2-minute warning and the Bears could have taken 3 knees after the onsides kick.

To the Barber play. Yes, he was a fool for cutting to the outside, but the play call was going that way. That's Mike Martz's fault, too. Just order your backs to run up the middle, no cutting outside.

Lovie and Martz. Dumb and Dumber.

This may be so....but it does not take away from the miracle I just witnessed.

Denver was DEAD with seven minutes to go...

[Robert Goren]

There is a reason that Barber isn't in Dallas anymore.

[melman]

If you have not been entertained by the last five Denver games you might as well give up watching any sports event. No I don't think Denver is a legit SB contender either. To me that makes what they have done even more impressive. Talk about getting the most out of what you have. :)

[Valuist]

They were dead with 2:15 to go. Complete meltdown by the Bears, starting at 2:15 when they allow Tebow the easy TD pass at 2:08. If they hold one more play, they wouldn't have scored before the 2-minute warning and the Bears could have taken 3 knees after the onsides kick.

To the Barber play. Yes, he was a fool for cutting to the outside, but the play call was going that way. That's Mike Martz's fault, too. Just order your backs to run up the middle, no cutting outside.

Lovie and Martz. Dumb and Dumber.

Agree 100%. Martz is a terrible coordinator living off his glory days in St Louis when he had 4-5 future Hall of Famers.

This was like watching a replay of the Broncos-Dolphins game earlier in the season.

[sammy the sage]

this sums up the whole situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4YrCFz0Kfc

[sammy the sage]

a totally different version...or different presention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE6jvax1LXc

and then there's this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk8-6e9LmII

[Striker]

If you have not been entertained by the last five Denver games you might as well give up watching any sports event. No I don't think Denver is a legit SB contender either. To me that makes what they have done even more impressive. Talk about getting the most out of what you have. :)
I haven't watched any Denver game besides the one today because I am a Bears fan. But for the 1st half and most of the 3rd quarter I thought I was watching a high school game. Some of the throws by Tebow and Hanie were down right pathetic for even 2nd or 3rd string NFL QBs. When they made solid throws their WRs would drop the balls that they should have caught. Lance Louis showing us his chop blocking technique by throwing himself into the ground and missing the DE, Hester putting his hand into Baileys face mask and drawing a 15 yd penalty when he was going out of bounds anyways should not happen. I can appreciate when 2 teams are playing great defense but that really wasn't the case today IMO. This was a pretty sloppy game for both teams. If you were not a Broncos fan or a Bears fan or had a wager on the game, then I do not understand how you could be entertained by this game or even want to watch it after the first 5 minutes of the 1st quarter or so. Now when the momentum shifted for the Broncos in the final 7 minutes or so the game was obviously more entertaining. The most impressive aspect of this game was the two 59 yd field goals imo.

[melman]

Striker--I respect your viewpoint but I could not disagree more. I am not a Broncos fan or a Bears fan either. Nor did I have a bet on the game. But I sure did enjoy watching. Yes there was sloppy play by both teams. Yes the Denver FG kicker was the big hero of the game. And yes the Bears made big mistakes (by there coaching staff and RB) but you as the other team still have to take advantage of those mistakes. There were also a lot of mistakes made during the Giants/Cowboys game last night yet I was also very entertained by that game. IMO Denver since putting Tebow in as the starting QB is a team getting the most out of the skills they have.
I think Justin Verlander on twitter said it best. "If your a Tebow fan or not a Tebow fan--that was fun to watch".

[Robert Goren]

If I was a Bears fan, I would think that the Bears lost it. But I wouldn't be blaming the coaches, one player lost the game. He would be cut this morning if I was the coach.
The Bears were a barely a wild card team with Cutler and Forte. Without them, they will lose most of the rest of games. The Broncos couldn't beat a high school team with Orton at QB. Now somehow with Tebow, they find a way to win. The amazing thing is how much better everyone plays with Tebow than they did with Orton. That might happen for a game or two when you switch QBs, but when it has gone on this long, there has to be something there even if you don't understand exactly what it is.

[sandpit]

The real miracle of this run is how God has handed Denver a schedule built for a winning streak:

Dolphins: 4-9, awful, coach fired
Raiders: 7-6, marginal team, lost to Miami by 20 two weeks ago
Chiefs: 5-8, worse than Miami, coach fired
Jets: 8-5, probably Denver's best win in the streak, but after 2 games against Philly and the Giants next, the Jets will be home watching the playoffs on TV too.
Chargers: 6-7, coach should be fired, team never plays to its talent level
Vikings: 2-11 record says it all
Bears: 7-6, went 1-3 the last four weeks against the AFC west; sayonara

The miracle will come to an end this weekend when Angry Brady and crew come to Mile High (no, I'm not a Pats fan), but should pick right back up with the last 2 against the Bills (ugh) and first-to-last Chiefs.

[Rookies]

We've had whole threads here, I think by Zip. on the incredible stupidity of Coaches & Players.

Any Running Back who goes out of the field of play instead of falling down in it, in that situation, is just too stupid to play the game.

[Ocala Mike]

the Jets will be home watching the playoffs on TV too.

The miracle will come to an end this weekend when Angry Brady and crew come to Mile High


Two surprises (to me) in this week's line.

1. Eagles favored over Jets.

2. Pats less than a TD over Broncs.

Vegas pretty sharp or not on these two?


Ocala Mike

[Bettowin]

I would be looking at the Pats and Broncos over. What is it?

[PhantomOnTour]

With the way things have been going for Denver since Tebow took over shouldn't they be 1.5pt favorites in all of their games from now on?
:D

[Ocala Mike]

45-1/2 on BetUs. I would go over also. My call: Denver 31, Pats 24.


Ocala Mike

[Striker]

I would be looking at the Pats and Broncos over. What is it?
Opened at 46.5 and now is at 45.5 like Ocala Mike said. I would tread carefully there with how this line has moved.

[sandpit]

Two surprises (to me) in this week's line.

1. Eagles favored over Jets.

2. Pats less than a TD over Broncs.

Vegas pretty sharp or not on these two?


Ocala Mike

If the wildly inconsistent Eagles play one of their good games, they could win by 20, but they might lose by a couple of TDs too. I've seen the Eagles giving anywhere from 1 to 3, basically a pickum game since Philly is at home.

I think the Pats will roll Denver.

[Valuist]

Denver's weakness is their pass defense. New England can definitely exploit that. New England's weakness is their pass defense also. Denver wants to run so I don't think they exploit it.

Let's look at who Denver has beaten during this magical run:

OT win over Miami, a 4-9 team who just fired their coach. Down 15 with 2:30 to play, the Broncos needed considerable help from chaotic circumstances to win.
Following a 35 pt home loss to Detroit, they went to Oakland and beat the Raiders w/their QB, Palmer, fresh off the couch. Then they go to KC and win, against another team who fires their coach. On the Thursday night game, they have their highest quality win, over the Jets, despite just a 61 QB rating from Tebow.

Then it was off to San Diego for another OT win over a team likely to fire their coach very soon. Then a come from behind win over the 2-11 Vikings, who also likely will be coach shopping soon. Then a home win over a Bears team playing without Cutler and Forte. And like the Miami game, they needed amazing comeback to pull that game out.

The Pats defense isn't very good but this is the best offense the Broncos D has faced since they played the Packers and gave up 7 TDs.

[FantasticDan]

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tebow/1374394/ :p

[elysiantraveller]

Pats are going to roll...

[lamboguy]

new england seems to be on prime time television and awful lot this year. i think they switch the times of the games to get them on to get people to watch them.

i know they have a great quarterback, a great coach, a great organization. but there are other teams in the league, maybe not as exciting to watch though.

[cj's dad]

Pats are going to roll...


Last in the NFL

YDS
416.0
(32nd)


PASS YDS
308.7
(32nd)

[elysiantraveller]

PASS YDS
308.7
(32nd)

Like I said: They are going to roll.

[RaceBookJoe]

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tebow/1374394/ :p

My cousin is #48 in that skit. rbj

[sandpit]

If the wildly inconsistent Eagles play one of their good games, they could win by 20, but they might lose by a couple of TDs too. I've seen the Eagles giving anywhere from 1 to 3, basically a pickum game since Philly is at home.

I think the Pats will roll Denver.

Well, in a year of being way off base, these are 2 that went in my favor.

Tebow has 2 losses this year, both to teams that are on the way to the playoffs, and wins against a bunch of mediocre teams.

[horses4courses]

On the Thursday night game, they have their highest quality win, over the Jets, despite just a 61 QB rating from Tebow.


That particular game was the only time that I liked Denver all year.

It was a classic "let down" situation for the Jets.
They had played an 830pm ET Sunday night game against the Patriots, and lost in a pretty hard battle.
Then they had next to no rest, or preparation, before having to fly to Denver to play at altitude on Thursday night.

It didn't surprise me in the least that Denver got a win there.
They have been winning by smoke and mirrors.
In time, though, I think Tebow and Denver will do just fine.

[Casino]

Any one else drinking the Tbow koolaid?,he couldnt pass in high school,couldnt pass in college,cant pass in the nfl period,hes ranked dead last.
All that bs about him elevating other players to another level is nonsense,there are very few players in sports that could make other players better Tbow isnt one of them.Denver will have another QB by the 4th game next season.

[Marshall Bennett]

Any one else drinking the Tbow koolaid?,he couldnt pass in high school,couldnt pass in college,cant pass in the nfl period,hes ranked dead last.
All that bs about him elevating other players to another level is nonsense,there are very few players in sports that could make other players better Tbow isnt one of them.Denver will have another QB by the 4th game next season.
:ThmbUp: I've always found him overrated.

[Track Collector]

You have to admit, it is amazing that any team like Denver is even still in playoff consideration after such a poor start. Tebow deserves partial credit in that turnaround.

As to the past two weeks, very few teams have the QB and WR talent to overcome 40+ points by their opponents.

[cj]

You have to admit, it is amazing that any team like Denver is even still in playoff consideration after such a poor start. Tebow deserves partial credit in that turnaround.

As to the past two weeks, very few teams have the QB and WR talent to overcome 40+ points by their opponents.

Well, to be fair, they wouldn't have scored near 40 without Tebow handing them a few TDs today.

[Rookies]

If Tebow were a foul mouthed thug type who taunted his opponents, took cheap shots, committed stupid penalties etc,etc.... he would widely accepted by the sports media.

As a devout Christian, he goes against the norm.

I don't believe the converse is true either, D. Most sports fans despise sports athletes who act in an uncaring, stupid and entitled manner.

On Tebow, his openly professed Christian beliefs & causes are certainly what seperates him and provides a source of irritation to both non believers and sports fans, their Venn diagrams being largely superimposed on this uber popular sport. Truthfully, it could have been worse, so far. But he has obviously been properly raised at home and in discussions with coaches like Meyer and other close sources he respects, they have given him a very Christian message:

Share the wealth, Tim! Make sure you praise your team mates & coaches, while giving the nod of thanks to Jesus. Tebow is a leader, both on and off the field, and his act has been highly entertaining.

That being said, I don't believe for a moment that Tebow will ever develop into a top tier NFL QB. He simply can't throw properly and enough- a simply ludicrous situation. The running shtick/ Single Wing/whatever will be old quickly and NFL Ds will take him down. Newcomers like Cam Newton are the cream of the new QB wave- not Tebow.

As a fan (and ex Season Tix holder) of a team that has sucked for a dozen years (Bills), I get the point about: " Just Win, baby." They don't give style points in a quick 16 game season. One of the definite keys to success for Tebow is ZERO margin for error. When a crap team like the Bills picks him, what 4 times, and lays a beating on Denver, the end is not nigh, but the train is coming. If they are down 14, Tebow is not the guy to lead them back, let alone to Playoff Victory, where no stiffs are on the sked!

How many highly touted wideouts will desire to go to Denver with Timmy in charge? Few,I think. Jury is definitely still out, which, of course, is all the worse for the Broncos. If it goes south next year as all teams catch up to Tebow, they are further behind the 8 ball with the type of team they have developed around him.

[horses4courses]

Just another poor football team........playoffs, or not.

[Robert Fischer]

Just another poor football team........playoffs, or not.
Playoffs?!

[Rookies]

Now maybe it's just me, but I happen to think that Elway is a bit smarter than the spellbound Tebow snowflakes. I HOPE that he falls for this b.s. story and screws Denver up for at least 2 more years by keeping Tebow.

But, I dunno. John Elway, SB winning QB & one of the best winning records in NFL Playoffs history v.s. the 'true believers' of Tebow... who has won what in the NFL?

Hmmm... who is sharper?

[Robert Goren]

Now maybe it's just me, but I happen to think that Elway is a bit smarter than the spellbound Tebow snowflakes. I HOPE that he falls for this b.s. story and screws Denver up for at least 2 more years by keeping Tebow.

But, I dunno. John Elway, SB winning QB & one of the best winning records in NFL Playoffs history v.s. the 'true believers' of Tebow... who has won what in the NFL?

Hmmm... who is sharper?So how many years was Elway the QB in Denver before he won a super bowl? I believe it was like 14 or 15. Come back in 13 or 14 years and then we can compare which QB has how many rings.

[Casino]

TBow wont start next year in Denver.

[elysiantraveller]

Goren is drinking the kool-aid...

[Casino]

So how many years was Elway the QB in Denver before he won a super bowl? I believe it was like 14 or 15. Come back in 13 or 14 years and then we can compare which QB has how many rings.

Elway made it to the super 3 times with average teams.

[PhantomOnTour]

If the Ravens win the AFC North (and it looks like they will) i think the Steelers will be going to Denver to take on 'The Special One'

Aw great...can't wait
Big Ben, public enemy #1, vs God and everybody in Denver :faint:
Here we come...gonna put an end to this nonsense.

[Robert Goren]

Elway made it to the super 3 times with average teams.Those teams were anything but average. They were very, very good. The only thing genius about Elway was that he was smart enough to hand the ball to Davis when Shanahan told him to. I think watched every game Elway played as a Bronco on TV. He was very good QB, but no one is mentioning his name in the same breath as Montana and Unitas.
Tebow may or may not be answer to QB problems in Denver. If somehow Denver beats the Steelers, the saga continues. If he don't, it is close to being over. His "magic" is that his team mates believe in him and that somehow he will he lead them to the promised land. If they don't believe enough to elevate their game the gig is up. The Broncos are very bad team talent wise as the record under Orton in the first few games of then year proved. Talent wise this team is Jacksonville without MJD. A pretty good, but not great defense and an offense devoid of physical talent. They have receivers who can only get open when the defense makes a mistake, an old running back that was waived by his old team and a QB with accuracy issues. If they don't play "inspired ball" they lose to almost everybody.There aren't enough tricks plays in the book to make this team win if they don't play way over their heads.

[Casino]

Elway is top 5 all time Qb.

[sandpit]

Tebow had a passer rating of 20.6 against the Chiefs, a defense nobody is mentioning in the same breath as Baltimore or Pittsburgh. The guy has had one above average game this season, against Minnesota. Backdooring your way into the playoffs in generally not a recipe for success. Pittsburgh's injury depleted corp, which might include Ryan Clark as well, is Denver's only hope.

[Robert Fischer]

Tebow had a passer rating of 20.6 against the Chiefs, a defense nobody is mentioning in the same breath as Baltimore or Pittsburgh. The guy has had one above average game this season, against Minnesota. Backdooring your way into the playoffs in generally not a recipe for success. Pittsburgh's injury depleted corp, which might include Ryan Clark as well, is Denver's only hope.

couple of things from the Minn game

1- that game was a draw until Denver's D, lead by Brian Dawkins big play grabbed momentum.

2- The problems for Denver started after that game, with comments such as "now Tebow is becoming a 'real' QB..."[Passing more]

Tebow is a better QB than the bums that Denver can get outside of the elite QB group IF = they run a lot, If he runs the read-option. AND If the Defense plays at a high level.

It's a viable offense if their defense plays well. No need to pass for 250 yards.
It's a sustainable offense if they bring in several players who can be a dual threat QB in the read offense and a coach or OC that can run the Read-Option as well as the Spread-Option.

Denver can beat Pittsburgh but Tebow has to be hard used as a read-option run threat. Mcgahee(sp) has to be a threat to break the big play. And Tebow, at least 1 WR, and the Offensive Coordinator has to dictate to the STEELERS deep coverage safety on early downs and not the other way around. (<--- I think this will be the key to the game and the Steelers will play run with both safetys on 1st and 2nd down with no answer from the BRONCOS).

[PhantomOnTour]

Here we come...gonna put an end to this nonsense.
Let's go Steelers.

Team looks ripe for an upset with all the injuries, but i don't think Denver has enough offensive potency to take advantage of Pittsburgh today.
Steelers don't turn the ball over and they should be fine.

[newtothegame]

Would agree Phantom......
I would not be at all surprised if Tebow gets benched at some point during this game. The strngth of the Steelers versus the only real option denver has. Denver has to run the ball. The steelers defense will look to put tebow in 3 and longer then five. My gut feeling is that tebow will crumble under the pressure.

Steelers by ten! Im' laying the points and getting on the phone as we speak. Taking half of saints winnings and placing it on Big Ben and the hurt steelers!
GL to all today!

[Tom]

Let's go Steelers.

Team looks ripe for an upset with all the injuries, but i don't think Denver has enough offensive potency to take advantage of Pittsburgh today.
Steelers don't turn the ball over and they should be fine.

Then again........(6:14)

[ldiatone]

looks like the steelers are tak'en it on the chin! don't think the steelers will come back 2nd half...... :( :( oh well 2012 baby :jump:

[horses4courses]

Can I get a "hallelujah"???

Judging by the look on Elway's face in the box, I won't be hearing it from him.
He just doesn't like the guy, seems like.....he must always see himself out on the field, and can't deal with it.

[ldiatone]

well well well OT :jump:

[Jay Trotter]

hallelujah

[ldiatone]

well well well OT :jump:
wel well well...game over denver wins for All you steelers bashers! hope you are all happy now!!! no more steelers this year!!

[HuggingTheRail]

that was UN-BEEEE-LIEEEE-VABLEEEEEEEE

[newtothegame]

Would agree Phantom......
I would not be at all surprised if Tebow gets benched at some point during this game. The strngth of the Steelers versus the only real option denver has. Denver has to run the ball. The steelers defense will look to put tebow in 3 and longer then five. My gut feeling is that tebow will crumble under the pressure.

Steelers by ten! Im' laying the points and getting on the phone as we speak. Taking half of saints winnings and placing it on Big Ben and the hurt steelers!
GL to all today!
UGHHHHH should of known !!! at least I still have half lol !!!

[Casino]

in the last two post season drives for pitt this includes last years drive against GB its been total chaos.Sideline just chaotic.tomlin i have always said hes a good coach for the steelers not a good nfl coach,big difference.

[Robert Goren]

It is excuse time for the Tebow haters.

[Casino]

It is excuse time for the Tebow haters.

NO excuse,Rg denver was the better team today.That being said he still sucks,go ahead and buy his stock.

[horses4courses]

It is excuse time for the Tebow haters.

I've liked Tebow since his Gator days.
The religion thingy?
Each to their own...but I don't want to hear about it.

[cj's dad]

:)

[pktruckdriver]

Is it possible, guess so , they move on, even after a No Chance Againgst The Steelers, he wins.

Watchout Brady , here comes Tebow, this guy is unreal, counted out all the time and yet here he is, on to the 2nd round of the NFL Playoffs.

Absolutely Amazing


Go Gators

[JustRalph]

I was cheering for the guy.....great finish! Champ Bailey was about to be a goat.

I was laughing and enjoying it and actually got down in that Tebow pose. I m still waiting on the paramedics.....

I can't get up.............

[PhantomOnTour]

I will be philosophical in handling this embarrassing and crushing loss...





















CRAP DAMN CRAP !!!

[JustRalph]

He threw for 3:16 yards.............

[Mike at A+]

What time does Bill Maher's show come on?

[melman]

I don't think Demaryus Thomas (4 catches for over 200) yards is going to complain to much about Tim Tebow being the starting QB next year for Denver. :) Tebow still has a lot to learn about the NFL. That just makes sense since he just started his pro career. He will make some ugly throws then comeback and make some great throws. A couple of those throws to Thomas were perfectly thrown balls.

[bigmack]

He threw for 3:16 yards.............
That's just eerie.

[Rookies]

On this one, had the correct team, as per the other thread, although more scoring than I thought...

Den 31 I'm NOT a Tee-Blow fan, but there are waaaaay too many injuries on the Steelers and a very immobile Big Ben. Cover is certainly possible with little scoring...

McGahee made the critical turnover allowing the hurt Steelers to tie it up.

Tebow has a critical 3rd and 8 pass with 1:51 to go and he wasn't in the same time zone. Then he nails the big one in OT... Go figure.

I'm delighted because now Brady gets them, not the Steelers, as they would have.:ThmbUp: They'll get waxed next week.

[melman]

Yes Rookies that 3rd and 8 throw was not in the same time zone. But go to NFL.com and watch his bombs to Thomas. They were perfectly throw balls. Denver may very well go to NE and get crushed. That happens to a lot of teams. But at the same time you have to give some credit to Denver and Tebow for putting up 316 passing yards on the Steelers. That ain't chopped liver. :)

[chickenhead]

not impressed at all with Denver -- Steelers D was atrocious.

[duncan04]

not impressed at all with Denver -- Steelers D was atrocious.

Wait till next week. Patriots defense is even worse!! :eek: :D

[sammy the sage]

God's back from vacation...that is all ;)

was that time of year!

[Investorater]

:jump: Tim Tebow time in Denver has been resurrected for now :cool:

[elysiantraveller]

They barely beat an incredibly banged up team at home to avoid a 0-4 streak... That's about it.

Tebow looked pretty good in the game but will he develop into a good QB? I don't think so but I know he will control 80% of all sports talk for yet another week.

[Robert Fischer]

Tebow played at a high level.

We'll see if he can keep this up against better safety play.

[JustRalph]

They barely beat an incredibly banged up team at home to avoid a 0-4 streak... That's about it.

Tebow looked pretty good in the game but will he develop into a good QB? I don't think so but I know he will control 80% of all sports talk for yet another week.

It wont matter now. After this season I predict many endorsement deals. He's punched his ticket........

[Robert Goren]

They barely beat an incredibly banged up team at home to avoid a 0-4 streak... That's about it.

Tebow looked pretty good in the game but will he develop into a good QB? I don't think so but I know he will control 80% of all sports talk for yet another week.Everyone in sport talk and on TV picked the beat up steelers to win this game easily. The bookies must have made a killing on this game. I don't of a single person who bet the Broncos.

[NJ Stinks]

Everyone in sport talk and on TV picked the beat up steelers to win this game easily. The bookies must have made a killing on this game. I don't of a single person who bet the Broncos.

I do.

I will add that I don't like the new playoff overtime rules. Either give both teams a chance with the ball no matter what or go back to sudden death.

[highnote]

College overtime rules are better, imho. But I don't like college rules, either. I would just like for them to do a normal kickoff and if the team with the first possession scores on it's opening drive then the opposing team gets a chance to score within the same amount of time. If the team with the second possession doesn't score within the same time they lose.

I wonder if PITT could have scored on one play? :D


I do.

I will add that I don't like the new playoff overtime rules. Either give both teams a chance with the ball no matter what or go back to sudden death.

[Ocala Mike]

I don't of a single person who bet the Broncos.





I went 0/2 on Saturday, and hit my parlay Sunday (Giants/Broncos). This was the "G" parlay, G-men and G(od)-man.

Next week, guessing the bubbles will burst for both these teams, but who knows in this wacky NFL year.


Ocala Mike

[ldiatone]

I went 0/2 on Saturday, and hit my parlay Sunday (Giants/Broncos). This was the "G" parlay, G-men and G(od)-man.

Next week, guessing the bubbles will burst for both these teams, but who knows in this wacky NFL year.


Ocala Mike
Hi Ocala Mike... is that you over at "rail forum.com" ? train travel?

[Valuist]

What time does Bill Maher's show come on?

LOL

Don't think we will ever hear him admit he looked really, really stupid in that rant against Tebow's abilities a couple weeks ago. Has Maher ever admitted he was wrong?

[melman]

Hey Val, how about ESPN"S "Professor" John Clayton. He went on air and said "Denver has NO CHANCE, the Steelers WILL win. I guanantee it. :lol:

[cj]

Hey Val, how about ESPN"S "Professor" John Clayton. He went on air and said "Denver has NO CHANCE, the Steelers WILL win. I guanantee it. :lol:

It is hard to imagine that guy has ever thrown or caught a football even his his yard, yet he is an expert!

[Ocala Mike]

Hi Ocala Mike... is that you over at "rail forum.com" ? train travel?

Yeah, that's me. Quire a round robin of interests; horses, trains, and football. Who do you post as over there?


Ocala Mike

[Robert Goren]

It is hard to imagine that guy has ever thrown or caught a football even his his yard, yet he is an expert!There were plenty of people who played Pro Football that were saying the same thing on ESPN. In fact, it would be hard to find anybody on ESPN that gave Denver much of a chance.

[ldiatone]

Yeah, that's me. Quire a round robin of interests; horses, trains, and football. Who do you post as over there?


Ocala Mike
some one was looking for you over there. my wife and i are "training" to Ca. in Feb.
post as ldiat

[Investorater]

Go TEAM Broncos Go!

[Rookies]

He'll be all out today to cover. I've bet that he does, but it will be very difficult. Down 7 in the first 2 minutes.

[Tom]

They say God will let Denver win today.
Nonsense.
God will only cover the spread.
The rest is up to Tebow.

[bigmack]

Anybody wanna question the presence of higher power in light of Denver being in the playoffs and being THIS bad?

[Rookies]

They say God will let Denver win today.
Nonsense.
God will only cover the spread.
The rest is up to Tebow.

Tommy, it looks like the Pats are making sure 'Jesus' is nailed to a 2012 cross.:rolleyes:

[elysiantraveller]

Through 3 quarters Tom Brady had more touchdowns than Tebow had completions.... :lol:

[JustRalph]

Looked like the Pats of old

It was fun to follow the Tebow story :ThmbUp:

[Grits]

Looked like the Pats of old

It was fun to follow the Tebow story :ThmbUp:

Yes, it did. Brady's never been better, nor has a playoff game. Lotta records fell in this game tonight. (In 8 degree temperature, no less.)

Ralph, it has been great following his story. It was nice seeing Jim Brown do a piece on him tonight before the game involving the young lady who has endured 73 surgeries in her lifetime. She has followed his career since his days at Florida. They inspire one another, each admitted. She, among others, he has invited to be at games, home and away.

As far as Tebow? As a player, he'll get better each and every year. As a man, he's already there. Taller and more humble than most.

[Casino]

Tbow is what he is.I have watched him since high school,hasnt thrown a spiral in 7 years.He had a good year,that being said elway cant possibly think tbow is the answer in denver.
If he improves his completion percentage 10% it would get him to 52%.Hes terrrible cant throw the ball to the right side of the foootball field.
By midseason next year Tbows football career as a starting qb will be over.Hes the real deal as a great human being and thats more important then being a nfl qb.

[elysiantraveller]

Tim Tebow has a -75 point differential as a starter this year. This should have been his last game as a starter but we'll see...

[Rookies]

Yes, he played well v.s. the Steelers and for a COMPLETE game. For what? The first time ? His QB Rating for the first 3 quarters of each game over the entire season was in the 30s wasn't it ? That's not bad; it's terrible over a body of work and is enough to get you replaced. That is, IF you were any other QB.

In Tebow's case, being a decent human being does works wonders! It apparently allows management to overlook performance, a stunning thing in a mega popular sport. And in that game, his sum total of on the field success can be summed up in a 1-1 playoff record. My opinion is that his QB abilities will not make this record any better. He has that goofy throwing motion that during the Steelers' game was pretty decent. Except, of course, with 1:51 to go in the 4th Quarter, when he couldn't hit a wall from 7 yards!

And yesterday? No 3:16. It was simply "god" awful, 9/26 for 136 with one fumble, sacked 5 times. Putrid.

I don't hate Tebow. He does wonderful things as a result of his evangelical Christian background. He has a sunny disposition for every day, although various aspects of his life are odd to many.

During the rest of the week/ year, go anywhere and say/do anything you believe in. That's generally what freedom encapsulates. I just wish he did what he does privately when on the field. http://boards.buffalobills.com/images/misc/progress.gif

[Grits]

Tbow is what he is.I have watched him since high school,hasnt thrown a spiral in 7 years.He had a good year,that being said elway cant possibly think tbow is the answer in denver.
If he improves his completion percentage 10% it would get him to 52%.Hes terrrible cant throw the ball to the right side of the foootball field.
By midseason next year Tbows football career as a starting qb will be over.Hes the real deal as a great human being and thats more important then being a nfl qb.

Ever had crow? You may be dining on it next year.

Nothing could stop Tom Brady last night, certainly not the Broncos.

I don't watch football throughout the season anymore. I've not watched it, fulltime, since Marino's days of throwing bullets to Clayton and Duper. (If you were even alive then, which is doubtful.) For all Marino's greatness, all his completions, all of Clayton's catches, it still didn't get Miami a Superbowl win. Of course, all this is another matter, but I've always loved Dan, on and off the field. (His foundation has given over 20 million to autism research and other related learning disabilities since its founding.)

This quarterback,Tim Tebow, with a 16 game career behind him, to say the least, carried his team farther than many anticipated. This can't possibly be a bad thing. For this alone, I hope you're proven wrong. For his humanity, alone, I hope you're proven wrong. He's young, there's plenty of years ahead of him.

As they say, "there's always next year.

[elysiantraveller]

This quarterback,Tim Tebow, with a 16 game career behind him, to say the least, carried his team farther than many anticipated. This can't possibly be a bad thing. For this alone, I hope you're proven wrong. For his humanity, alone, I hope you're proven wrong. He's young, there's plenty of years ahead of him.

I know tons of "great" people... They can't play NFL quarterback either.

[highnote]

I'm in your camp, Grits. Tebow is an outstanding athlete, but he is also rookie. Hopefully, Elway will be a great mentor.

For those who remember, Elway's Broncos were crushed by the 49ers and it took another 10 years before the Broncos won the Super Bowl.

Why do people expect miracles from a rookie QB? :D


Ever had crow? You may be dining on it next year.

Nothing could stop Tom Brady last night, certainly not the Broncos.

I don't watch football throughout the season anymore. I've not watched it, fulltime, since Marino's days of throwing bullets to Clayton and Duper. (If you were even alive then, which is doubtful.) For all Marino's greatness, all his completions, all of Clayton's catches, it still didn't get Miami a Superbowl win. Of course, all this is another matter, but I've always loved Dan, on and off the field. (His foundation has given over 20 million to autism research and other related learning disabilities since its founding.)

This quarterback,Tim Tebow, with a 16 game career behind him, to say the least, carried his team farther than many anticipated. This can't possibly be a bad thing. For this alone, I hope you're proven wrong. For his humanity, alone, I hope you're proven wrong. He's young, there's plenty of years ahead of him.

As they say, "there's always next year.

[PhantomOnTour]

Tebow is not a rookie

[Grits]

Tebow is not a rookie

And 16 games isn't ANYWHERE into a professional quarterback's career, Phantom.

Talk always comes easy when one's sitting in their recliner WATCHING.

Wonder how many former first string high school or college standouts we have here at PA? :)

[PhantomOnTour]

And 16 games isn't ANYWHERE into a professional quarterback's career, Phantom.

Talk always comes easy when one's sitting in their recliner WATCHING.

Wonder how many former first string high school or college standouts we have here at PA? :)
When you're dealing in facts, yes.
All i said was that Tebow isn't a rookie.

EDIT: there is a very edgy and almost nasty vibe on this board right now in almost every thread.
I'm checking out for awhile.

[Grits]

Phantom, you may be onto something.

There's a whole lot about this particular thread that's edgy and nasty, Casino and Rookies' post especially are so. Believe me, I read all 13 pages last night--before I posted anything. Tough, tough room.

[elysiantraveller]

Tebow is not a rookie

I know! Most rookies throw spirals.

[highnote]

Tebow is not a rookie

He's still pretty much a rookie -- though, not technically. Technically, he's a sophomore. Point is... he is inexperienced, but will get better with time -- as in Tebow time. :)

[elysiantraveller]

He's still pretty much a rookie -- though, not technically. Technically, he's a sophomore. Point is... he is inexperienced, but will get better with time -- as in Tebow time. :)

No... He pretty much isn't.

This is the discord between supporters and critics. Supporters create these false criteria to judge only him by. Cam Newton and Andy Dalton are both rookies and are lightyears ahead of him. Here are some Tebow facts to those of us still able to judge him by the bar we do all others.

- He completes under 50% of his passes.
- He finished the season 1-4 beating only a MASH steeler unit.
- His point differential is -75 (typically this would mean a team is winning in spite of him.)
- His delivery is terrible, so bad that he can't throw to the right side of the field.
- He was not eligible for rookie of the year. ;)
- The read option has NEVER worked in the NFL.

Anyone else want to chime in? I know "he just wins".... except when he doesn't.

[highnote]

Tebow has now started in something like 13 games over two seasons -- 3 last year, 8 regular season games this year plus two playoffs. If my memory serves me those numbers are correct. I haven't fact checked -- but that seems about right.

I understand your argument. I'm a numbers guy and his numbers are not impressive -- but he did get the job done and got the team to the playoffs.
The Pittsburgh win was big. Maybe the Broncos bounced?

It didn't help Tebow that Belichich is one of the top football minds in the country and he had two weeks to prepare the Pats. N.E. has a pretty damn good QB of their own, too.

My ratings said that Denver was the weakest of all the playoff teams. Plus, Denver had it extra tough -- they had to play the Patriots in New England.

If Tebow is the starter next year then he will probably get better. The Broncos need to make a commitment to him. If the Broncos can't decide on a starter then it might be a repeat of the first half of their season.







No... He pretty much isn't.

This is the discord between supporters and critics. Supporters create these false criteria to judge only him by. Cam Newton and Andy Dalton are both rookies and are lightyears ahead of him. Here are some Tebow facts to those of us still able to judge him by the bar we do all others.

- He completes under 50% of his passes.
- He finished the season 1-4 beating only a MASH steeler unit.
- His point differential is -75 (typically this would mean a team is winning in spite of him.)
- His delivery is terrible, so bad that he can't throw to the right side of the field.
- He was not eligible for rookie of the year. ;)
- The read option has NEVER worked in the NFL.

Anyone else want to chime in? I know "he just wins".... except when he doesn't.

[elysiantraveller]

Tebow has now started in something like 13 games over two seasons -- 3 last year, 8 regular season games this year plus two playoffs. If my memory serves me those numbers are correct. I haven't fact checked -- but that seems about right.

By that logic Stafford was a rookie this year... He only went for 5,000 yards and 40 TDs. Tebow has some catching up to do.

I understand your argument. I'm a numbers guy and his numbers are not impressive -- but he did get the job done and got the team to the playoffs.
The Pittsburgh win was big. Maybe the Broncos bounced?
The number suggest the team wins in spite of him. -75 differential and a winning record indicates that when the defense isn't playing well they get blown out.

It didn't help Tebow that Belichich is one of the top football minds in the country and he had two weeks to prepare the Pats. N.E. has a pretty damn good QB of their own, too.
They got the same drubbing a couple of weeks ago.

If Tebow is the starter next year then he will probably get better. The Broncos need to make a commitment to him. If the Broncos can't decide on a starter then it might be a repeat of the first half of their season.
Sure he might get better but it's relative... He is still way beyond the curve comapared to what else is out there. This lime of thinking is a tacit admission that he really isn't that good.

[Grits]

Yeah, I'll chime in. No sweat.

Save the wink, it makes you look condescending and goofy in one fell swoop. Critical expert that you are, I don't care whether you think the guy can play or not.

There's one bet I'd book though. He's netting far more a year than you are. And that's a real shame since you're such a walking book of knowledge, bar judge and all.

EOC

[elysiantraveller]

Yeah, I'll chime in. No sweat.

Save the wink, it makes you look condescending and goofy in one fell swoop. Critical expert that you are, I don't care whether you think the guy can play or not.

There's one bet I'd book though. He's netting far more a year than you are. And that's a real shame since you're such a walking book of knowledge, bar judge and all.

EOC

Pot meet kettle.

No need to look condescending when you can kick down the door right?

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Flavor-Flav-ps01.jpg

This guy also has more money than me... Though I'm pretty sure I'm smarter.

[Dahoss9698]

Yeah, I'll chime in. No sweat.

Save the wink, it makes you look condescending and goofy in one fell swoop. Critical expert that you are, I don't care whether you think the guy can play or not.

There's one bet I'd book though. He's netting far more a year than you are. And that's a real shame since you're such a walking book of knowledge, bar judge and all.

EOC

Not sure what his paycheck has to do with anything, but it really gets to the heart of the Tebow arguments. No one will argue that Tebow is a good guy. But being a good guy doesn't translate to on field performance.

When you critically look at how he performed and the different circumstances within each game, it tells the real story...not the story the media likes to portray.

The Broncos backed into the playoffs because of a collapse by the Raiders and because of the ridiculous NFL rules hosted a playoff game with an 8-8 record, while the 12-4 Steelers had to travel to play them. The Steelers were without their starting RB, their defensive QB in Ryan Clark, saw two of their lineman leave early in the game with injuries and Big Ben was probably at 60-70%. The Steelers made huge mistakes on defense through the entire game and as good players do...Tebow made them pay.

Tebow is an extremely talented football player. No one who watches him play can deny that. However, as a QB, he's about average and nowhere near as good as he is talked about. The option was something new for teams to see this year, but as teams see it more than once they are going to make the necessary adjustments. We saw it twice this year. The Chiefs beat the Broncos the second time they saw him (Tebow 6-22 60 yards passing and 16 yards rushing) and the Pats destroyed them (9 for 26 136 yards passing and 13 yards rushing).

NFL players are just too fast for that offense to work and IMO his passing skills are not enough to beat teams with any consistency. If the Broncos were smart they would find a way to work him into the offense so his real talent, running the ball, can be utilized. Doesn't change the fact he's a good guy, who does nice things for people.

[thaskalos]

Not sure what his paycheck has to do with anything, but it really gets to the heart of the Tebow arguments. No one will argue that Tebow is a good guy. But being a good guy doesn't translate to on field performance.

When you critically look at how he performed and the different circumstances within each game, it tells the real story...not the story the media likes to portray.

The Broncos backed into the playoffs because of a collapse by the Raiders and because of the ridiculous NFL rules hosted a playoff game with an 8-8 record, while the 12-4 Steelers had to travel to play them. The Steelers were without their starting RB, their defensive QB in Ryan Clark, saw two of their lineman leave early in the game with injuries and Big Ben was probably at 60-70%. The Steelers made huge mistakes on defense through the entire game and as good players do...Tebow made them pay.

Tebow is an extremely talented football player. No one who watches him play can deny that. However, as a QB, he's about average and nowhere near as good as he is talked about. The option was something new for teams to see this year, but as teams see it more than once they are going to make the necessary adjustments. We saw it twice this year. The Chiefs beat the Broncos the second time they saw him (Tebow 6-22 60 yards passing and 16 yards rushing) and the Pats destroyed them (9 for 26 136 yards passing and 13 yards rushing).

NFL players are just too fast for that offense to work and IMO his passing skills are not enough to beat teams with any consistency. If the Broncos were smart they would find a way to work him into the offense so his real talent, running the ball, can be utilized. Doesn't change the fact he's a good guy, who does nice things for people.

I agree.

Great guy, great athlete, huge heart...but not an NFL quarterback.

Having a quarterback who is not a good passer is too big a handicap, in today's game, for ANY team to overcome.

[highnote]

By that logic Stafford was a rookie this year... He only went for 5,000 yards and 40 TDs. Tebow has some catching up to do.

He has a lot of catching up to do. However, I think the team helps make the QB. Montana was great, but so was Bill Walsh's offensive scheme. Paul Brown and Walsh created that style of passing game when they were together in Cincinnati. Any decent QB would have looked great running that offense. Don't get me wrong, Montana was a gifted athlete, but he was also in the right place at the right time. Then Steve Young came along and looked great running the scheme in S.F.

There is more to making a great QB than just a talented athlete. Great wide receivers help. Jerry Rice certainly helped Montana.

Elway couldn't outrun a trash can his last season as a pro yet they still won the Super Bowl. He was a smart player and they had a great running back. Tebow could have won the Super Bowl as QB on that team.


The number suggest the team wins in spite of him. -75 differential and a winning record indicates that when the defense isn't playing well they get blown out.

I agree. Defense has to do their job. Also, offense has to move the ball so that if they have to punt they can pin the opponent deep in their own territory. Tebow couldn't move the ball against N.E. who may be the best team in the league.


Sure he might get better but it's relative... He is still way beyond the curve comapared to what else is out there. This lime of thinking is a tacit admission that he really isn't that good.

I am not ready to admit he is not good. He won a national championship in college. He helped get the Broncos to the second round of the playoffs. That's pretty good for a guy who had only started 12 games. How many other QBs played in the second round of the playoffs this season?

I didn't see Cam Newton in the playoffs. ;)

I think Tebow will do fine next year. He's got the right stuff, but he also has a lot to learn. A lot may depend on how well Elway can help out. Give the Broncos time and they should be able to put all the pieces together and Tebow could be seen as a great QB. Time will tell. Or should I say, Tebow time will tell.

[Casino]

Phantom, you may be onto something.

There's a whole lot about this particular thread that's edgy and nasty, Casino and Rookies' post especially are so. Believe me, I read all 13 pages last night--before I posted anything. Tough, tough room.

Being critical of a qb is edgy and nasty-the fact of the matter he sucks playing the position period.

[Tom]

Prediction: Tebow to the Bills.

[highnote]

Prediction: Tebow to the Bills.


What are the odds?

[highnote]

...the fact of the matter he sucks playing the position period.


A good team can make any QB look bad.

[Rookies]

Prediction: Tebow to the Bills.

Tommy Boy... tut tut... that was shameful!:lol:

Well Grits, we can't always agree.

Edgy- maybe ? Nasty? I don't think so. Like many objective NFL fans and one who has been watching the game for 40 years and attending for 25, I'm simply unimpressed with Tebow's ability as an NFL QB. Leader, good guy- you're on.
QB- fugettaboutit.

He is a substandard passer in a game which featured almost 4-5, 5,000 yard passers this year. And he is significantly behind the top rooks, like Newton and Dalton and no better than the Ponders, Painters and Gabberts of the NFL world. Geez, his team won a game, where he completed TWO- count 'em TWO passes. He had 46% completions for the season, meaning that he finished last or 34/34!:ThmbDown:

[elysiantraveller]

He is a substandard passer in a game which featured almost 4-5, 5,000 yard passers this year. And he is significantly behind the top rooks, like Newton and Dalton and no better than the Ponders, Painters and Gabberts of the NFL world. Geez, his team won a game, where he completed TWO- count 'em TWO passes. He had 46% completions for the season, meaning that he finished last or 34/34!:ThmbDown:
The team simply couldn't score... -75 point differential with a winning record... the team won in spite of him.