Ridiculous Steward Dession In Belmont

[DeltaLover]

Double take down at 9th race totally changes the result of the race...

The photo is taken minutes prior the final race....

Continue on, good job!

http://kasosoft.com/SippFiles/BEL-2010-10-09.jpeg

[Hard2Like]

Went to tend to dinner and when I came back to the tv,well man was it different.No longer alive in the p-4,just wondering why.

[menifee]

Had the trifecta a few times and that decision cost me quite a bit. I still don't understand it. I've learned that these decisions can go against you and go with you so I don't get too upset. But still that was awful.

Race 9 - 10/9 Belmont - double dq.

[DeltaLover]

The horse who finally 'won' the race would have never be better than fourth! Never.... If this is not a result manipulation then what ? We are betting horses or roulette? What is going on? I guess the photo I posted speaks for itself....

[Some_One]

RACE 9: Steward’s Inquiry into the stretch run. In the vicinity of the 1/16 pole, # 1 Legally Blanca (C. Velasquez) drifts in and # 2 Ultimate Class (E. Castro) begins to drift out under a left handed crop, with # 3 Wallis (J. Lezcano) racing well in between. # 3 is squeezed back between those rivals and must steady for several strides.
In the judgment of the stewards, the interference by both # 2 and # 1 caused Wallis to lose momentum. Wallis finishes fourth, beaten slightly more than a head for third. In the opinion of the stewards, the incident did alter the finish of the race.
# 2 and # 1 were disqualified from their respective first and second placings and placed behind # 3. The new order of finish is 5 – 3 – 2 – 1

4035.2. Foul riding penalized.

(b) A horse crossing another may be disqualified, if in the judgment of the stewards, it interferes with, impedes or intimidates another horse, or the foul altered the finish of the race, regardless of whether the foul was accidental, willful, or the result of careless riding. The stewards may also take into consideration mitigating factors, such as whether the impeded horse was partly at fault or the crossing was wholly caused by the fault of some other horse or jockey.

[menifee]

RACE 9: Steward’s Inquiry into the stretch run. In the vicinity of the 1/16 pole, # 1 Legally Blanca (C. Velasquez) drifts in and # 2 Ultimate Class (E. Castro) begins to drift out under a left handed crop, with # 3 Wallis (J. Lezcano) racing well in between. # 3 is squeezed back between those rivals and must steady for several strides.
In the judgment of the stewards, the interference by both # 2 and # 1 caused Wallis to lose momentum. Wallis finishes fourth, beaten slightly more than a head for third. In the opinion of the stewards, the incident did alter the finish of the race.
# 2 and # 1 were disqualified from their respective first and second placings and placed behind # 3. The new order of finish is 5 – 3 – 2 – 1

4035.2. Foul riding penalized.

(b) A horse crossing another may be disqualified, if in the judgment of the stewards, it interferes with, impedes or intimidates another horse, or the foul altered the finish of the race, regardless of whether the foul was accidental, willful, or the result of careless riding. The stewards may also take into consideration mitigating factors, such as whether the impeded horse was partly at fault or the crossing was wholly caused by the fault of some other horse or jockey.

If the 3 was good enough, he would have gotten through the whole before those horses (which were clear of him) came together. I'm so tired of jockeys standing or steadying the horse trying to get the stewards' attention rather than just riding through the finish line. It was a bs call.

[sammy the sage]

Wow...that pic EXPLAINS all...the DIVE in Belmont's handle...never SEEN a db DQ...

[Hard2Like]

Looks to me like the 3 got beat to the spot.Jose standing up like he just pooped was almost worth a chuckle.Yes he looked to still have plenty left,but his opportunities in this race had come and gone by the 1/16 pole.Hey,maybe they were teaming up on the 3,and maybe thats why I'm no steward.Congrats to everyone who had the 5.

[PaceAdvantage]

Wow...that pic EXPLAINS all...the DIVE in Belmont's handle...never SEEN a db DQ...Dive? Have you seen a more recent article?

That pic explains nothing. First, it was taken minutes before a race, when most people are INSIDE placing their bets.

Second, it was taken prior to the last race of the day, and many folks leave prior to the last race.

Third, attendance is nothing like it used to be at ALL racetracks, except on the marquee days. You can thank at-home wagering for that...

Next question?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/64113/belmont-attendance-ontrack-handle-soar

Belmont Attendance, Ontrack Handle Soar

[DeltaLover]

Dive? Have you seen a more recent article?

That pic explains nothing. First, it was taken minutes before a race, when most people are INSIDE placing their bets.

Second, it was taken prior to the last race of the day, and many folks leave prior to the last race.

Third, attendance is nothing like it used to be at ALL racetracks, except on the marquee days. You can thank at-home wagering for that...

Next question?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/64113/belmont-attendance-ontrack-handle-soar

The photo was taken exactly 15 minutes before post time..

I am a regular in Belmont for very long time and do not visit the place once a year to attend a miserable Jockey Cup Card and I can assure you that it looks like a ghost town and nothing else.

'Folks' do not leave prior the last race which historically was the one of the most active races since the day it was the one of two races offering supers and before that. People always are trying to break even for the day in the last race since the beginning of the game....

The fact that the track is empty is an additional reason to allow the stewards to make such a silly decision as they did today....

It is a shame that the incapacity of NYRA drove the place to become what is today begging the casino for survival....

[PaceAdvantage]

The photo was taken exactly 15 minutes before post time..

I am a regular in Belmont for very long time and do not visit the place once a year to attend a miserable Jockey Cup Card and I can assure you that it looks like a ghost town and nothing else.

'Folks' do not leave prior the last race which historically was the most active race of the program since the day it was the one of two races offering supers. People were trying to break even for the day in the last race since the beginning of the game....

The fact that the track is empty is an additional reason to allow the stewards to make such a silly decision as they did today....

It is a shame that the incapacity of NYRA drove the place to become what is today begging the casino's for survival....I was a regular at Belmont for 15+ years. Moving further away, job and family responsibilities have cut into my ability to attend live racing, but I assure you, I am intimately familiar with the place.

And 'folks' DO leave prior to the last race...especially on the big days...

If you're gonna sit here and tell me there are as many people present for the last race as there are in the middle of the card, I will call into question your honesty along with everything else.

The fact that the track is empty is an additional reason to allow the stewards to make such a silly decision as they did today....Huh?

And is anyone going to challenge my bloodhorse article link? Or have I proven this "dive" comment wrong as usual?

[DeltaLover]

If you're gonna sit here and tell me there are as many people present for the last race as there are in the middle of the card, I will call into question your honesty along with everything else.




Maybe a hundred or so more.... (Not counting the recreational crowd in the back yard of course)....

I would not call today's card a big day exactly!!!

[BetHorses!]

I had both horses that were DQ'd w the winner of the finale. It cost me quite a few bucks.

[dylbert]

Looks to me like the 3 got beat to the spot.Jose standing up like he just pooped was almost worth a chuckle.Yes he looked to still have plenty left,but his opportunities in this race had come and gone by the 1/16 pole.Hey,maybe they were teaming up on the 3,and maybe thats why I'm no steward.Congrats to everyone who had the 5.Yes, I lost due to DQ of apparent winner, #2 Ultimate Class. I thought #3 Wallis was beat and tiring. Plus, jockey was vying for track position that was already occupied. Hey, I know it is breaks-of-the-game scenario.

I hereby nominate Jose Lezcano for unofficial Eclipse Award for Acting.

[David-LV]

From what I understand from a friend of mine that keeps a lot of stats, I don't know if he is right or wrong, but he told me this was the first double DQ at a NYRA racetrack this century.

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David-LV

[PaceAdvantage]

From what I understand from a friend of mine that keeps a lot of stats, I don't know if he is right or wrong, but he told me this was the first double DQ at a NYRA racetrack this century.

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David-LVConsidering I saw one in person at Belmont (even though DeltaLover likes to claim I don't go), and it moved the horse I bet to win from 3rd to first, I'd say your friend is dead wrong.

[ByeByeBuck]

It is rare to see a double DQ with the horses finishing first and second both taken down to at least third and worse. There was another race earlier this year I think about three or four months ago where this happened, but I forget the track.

I've seen two others over the years of being a railbird and watching simulcasts.

One thing for sure about all DQ's for me over the years involving the horses I bet...I've been F*ed a lot more than I've been helped. :mad:

[the little guy]

7/21/10 - Race 8 at Colonial Downs.....first two finishers disqualified.

[classhandicapper]

Personally, I think it was the correct decision. The squeezing of the 4th place finisher did not change who would have won the race, but it did change who would have been 3rd. The squeezed horse would have been 3rd, not 4th.
That's why they DQ'd the top two horses. IMO, if the 4th place finisher had finished 3rd despite getting squeezed, they would have let the result stand.

The crazy part about it is that the horses that was put up was actually the 4th best horse in the race. So if you cashed, you should probably make a small donation to charity to balance out the universe again.

[PhantomOnTour]

I was one of the fortunate beneficiaries of the double DQ...got lucky.
I had the #5 under the two DQ'd horses in an exacta and also a win bet.
He wasn't going by either of the top two and the #3 most likely would have beaten him for 3rd.

I need to be on the good side of about 10 more DQs before balancing and harmonizing the universe with any sort of charitable donation :lol:

[DeltaLover]

Considering I saw one in person at Belmont (even though DeltaLover likes to claim I don't go), and it moved the horse I bet to win from 3rd to first, I'd say your friend is dead wrong.

Never claimed you don't go ... In contrary, I believe that based in your in the depth of your understanding of horse racing you are a veteran horse racing attendee with lots of races under his belt....

The double take down you are talking about (if is the same I can recall right now) occurred during the spring meeting back in 2008 (I am not sure about the exact date and my database did not helped me) I think it was the 5th race of the program and they put up the longest shot who was third... The p4 paid around $4,200 (obviously I remember it because in that particular incidence I got lucky hitting both p3 and p4 !)....

[overthehill]

I am perhaps biased as i bet the dqed winner too. but watching the race in the stretch it didnt seemed like Wallis had any moment at all to close the gap. then it looked like the took one stride forward and the jockey checked him. i never thought there would be an inquiry let alone a double dq. the head on really doesnt tell you how far in front those horses were and we dont know if the horse lost momentum or not because the jockey checked him. BTW I have seen a double DQ but never on turf because ive never seen a strong horse not get through except once when it hit the rail and got injured. I agree jock deserves and acting award and stewards should be removed.