View Full Version : God agrees with Obama
maddog42
10-04-2011, 02:24 PM
Good post Hcap. Six hours and no reply except mine. Maybe they are sleeping late.
Greyfox
10-04-2011, 02:37 PM
Unfortunately, the speakers aren't working on my computer to be able to hear the sound track.
If it's about millionaires not paying their fair share, let me say that I heard a BBC commentator say the other day:
"Seventy percent of the IRS money comes from the wealthy."
Assuming that to be true, the rich pay their fair share and more already.
Mike at A+
10-04-2011, 02:37 PM
Good post Hcap. Six hours and no reply except mine. Maybe they are sleeping late.
I think it's more a case of knowing that no laws are being broken by these evil rich people. They file their taxes just like the rest of us and even good tax preparation software will minimize your taxes by taking what the laws allow. If Obama really wanted to close loopholes, he could have done it during his first two years when he had full control of the whole shooting match. But he didn't and the reason why is that the Democrat majority was scared to do it.
I've said it MANY times right here on this message board. Obama and the Democrats want Republicans to put their necks on the line by proposing legislation that Democrats want. This way Obama and the Dems can take credit if it succeeds and lay the blame on Republicans if it fails. Why do you think Obama's budget got shot down 97-0? And why are Dems currently expressing doubts about Obama's "jobs plan"?
TJDave
10-04-2011, 04:00 PM
I think it's more a case of knowing that no laws are being broken by these evil rich people. They file their taxes just like the rest of us and even good tax preparation software will minimize your taxes by taking what the laws allow. If Obama really wanted to close loopholes, he could have done it during his first two years when he had full control of the whole shooting match. But he didn't and the reason why is that the Democrat majority was scared to do it.
Most all loopholes are the result of smart lawyering coupled with lax enforcement. The IRS lacks the funds, talent and mandate...but not the law.
Of course, this is by design. :rolleyes:
bigmack
10-04-2011, 04:03 PM
Shows to go ya, libs are incompetent dolts. The house is falling down around them and the ONLY thing they can come up with is class warfare and tax fat cats.
They're dumber than I ever thought possible.
NJ Stinks
10-04-2011, 05:27 PM
I've said it MANY times right here on this message board. Obama and the Democrats want Republicans to put their necks on the line by proposing legislation that Democrats want. This way Obama and the Dems can take credit if it succeeds and lay the blame on Republicans if it fails.
And how does the healthcare bill fit into this theory of yours? :rolleyes:
Honestly, your view of things is Twilight Zone material sometimes.
NJ Stinks
10-04-2011, 05:31 PM
Shows to go ya, libs are incompetent dolts. The house is falling down around them and the ONLY thing they can come up with is class warfare and tax fat cats.
They're dumber than I ever thought possible.
What an interesting and enlightening post! :sleeping: :sleeping:
Got any brilliant thoughts to share on the Reagan/Obama comparison, Einstein?
Mike at A+
10-04-2011, 05:42 PM
And how does the healthcare bill fit into this theory of yours? :rolleyes:
Honestly, your view of things is Twilight Zone material sometimes.
Obamacare was passed when Republican support wasn't needed. If Obama still had majorities you could bet your bottom dollar that we'd have full blown socialism by now. And you know that the minute Congressional Democrats saw the 2010 election results, their thinking changes DRASTICALLY. Now they are more concerned with staying in office than they are with supporting Obama's socialistic views.
This is FAR form "TwilightZone" material. This is the new reality. If Obama somehow manages to stay in office in 2012, Republican victories in Congress are going to be so huge that he's going to have to ask permission to take a piss.
bigmack
10-04-2011, 05:49 PM
What an interesting and enlightening post! :sleeping: :sleeping:
Got any brilliant thoughts to share on the Reagan/Obama comparison, Einstein?
Loopholes? Sure, kibosh them all. But let me get this straight, you worked for the IRS and you believe capital gains should be taxed the same rate as income?
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Behold, hcap's God.
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ArlJim78
10-04-2011, 05:50 PM
if paying your fair share only means to eliminate loopholes there is little to no opposition from Republicans on that. they have also proposed it.
but don't confuse that with what Obama is proposing which in addition to closing loopholes is to go back to the preBush rates, which effects not only billionaires. so its both closing loopholes and raising rates that Obama wants.
would someone for once define what "fair share" is? how do you know what is fair, what are the rules or formulae which are used to determine the number?
and I don't want to hear anything about Buffett or his secretary until they release their tax returns.
NJ Stinks
10-04-2011, 05:51 PM
Obamacare was passed when Republican support wasn't needed. If Obama still had majorities you could bet your bottom dollar that we'd have full blown socialism by now. And you know that the minute Congressional Democrats saw the 2010 election results, their thinking changes DRASTICALLY. Now they are more concerned with staying in office than they are with supporting Obama's socialistic views.
This is FAR form "TwilightZone" material. This is the new reality. If Obama somehow manages to stay in office in 2012, Republican victories in Congress are going to be so huge that he's going to have to ask permission to take a piss.
Did you go to school with Rod Serling? :p
Mike at A+
10-04-2011, 05:58 PM
Did you go to school with Rod Serling? :p
If that's all you got my point has been proven. Case closed.
LottaKash
10-04-2011, 06:30 PM
Shows to go ya, libs are incompetent dolts. The house is falling down around them and the ONLY thing they can come up with is class warfare and tax fat cats. .
That's it in a nutshell....bigmack....Class warfare, that is what they want....It throws us off the track and diverts attention from the real issues that are really plaguing this nation...And, it is not about the rich having to pay more.
For example:
What about "Solyndra".....Where is the money ?....Why aren't there any videos about that.... $500,000.000.00 ... poof, vanishes into thin air...Funny you don't hear anything more about that, hunh ?
And, what about the new $735,000,000.00 loan to another solar company in AZ., that suddenly has as it's number-2 man showing up, and is none other than Nancy Pellosi's "brother-in law" ????? ...All of sudden...haha...
Tax the Rich, my butt....Stop giving away money, is what is wrong here..
Who is kidding who ?....Not me bub....
best,
lamboguy
10-04-2011, 07:51 PM
i don't believe in healthcare, i like prevention better, but its not my system.
from what i am told, a friend needs the drug LIPATORE for high collesterol, if he didn't have insurance his charge at CVS is $612 for a bottle of 90 of those things. if he has insurance he pays a "co-payment" of $150. if he orders from canada, which he does, it cost him $90 for the 90 pills. from what i am told, this LIPATORE has been around for years so it shouldn't be a blockbuster drug. these drugs good or bad is not my issue, my issue is how much they cost the average person to obsorb the chemical's into the body.
i don't know to much about the other fine drugs that these company's manufacture, what i do know is that these company's hardly pay any taxes because they get special deductions for the research they put in to develop these drugs. some of the drugs that these company's manufacture are products like PERCOCET and OXY CONTIN, both of which are a type of heroine.. if a drug dealer gets caught selling heroine they wind up with lots of time in the slammer. if a drug company gets a person hooked on the stuff they make money and don't pay taxes. i think there is something wrong with this system. i can also relate it to other things like food, and gambling and just about anything else including banking.
so when a guy that runs for office campaigns on taxing rich people, it gets him alot of attention because most people know they are getting ruined by these big corporations. when they get elected though, they do nothing. reagan did nothing, clinton did nothing, both bush's did nothing and obama has done nothing, yet they all talk a great game.
NJ Stinks
10-04-2011, 10:00 PM
[QUOTE=bigmack]Loopholes? Sure, kibosh them all. But let me get this straight, you worked for the IRS and you believe capital gains should be taxed the same rate as income?
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Most of my IRS career the capital gains tax rate was at least 28%. Of course, those were years when our country's deficits were peanuts. We as a nation cannot afford a 15% tax on capital gains. It's obvious.
http://forbestadvice.com/Money/Taxes/Federal-Tax-Rates/Historical_Federal_Capital_Gains_Tax_Rates_History .html
So hcap, the cure for loopholes is to tax everyone else out of business?
I do believe a few of us here have advocated closing loopholes, exemptions, credits, etc, all along and having one uniform and lower tax rate to ensure that ALL pay their fair share, like, say, um, GE!
bigmack
10-04-2011, 10:27 PM
[QUOTE=bigmack]We as a nation cannot afford a 15% tax on capital gains. It's obvious.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about the $8K to $34K crowd. 15% is NOT a fair share. "Obvious" right?
CGains tax is brutal on the short term.
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Good news. France has a 33% CapGains tax. Lookin' better & better for your departure. :ThmbUp:
Communism/Socialism update.
Tax Policy Center.
Question: if you applied various tax policies to estimated 2013 income, how would different income groups fare? Here's the answer for the very tippy top of the income spectrum:
http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_obama_tax_proposal.jpg
"The dark blue bar at the left represents Clinton-era policies. The light blue bar at the right represents the effects of healthcare reform plus Obama's current set of tax proposals: Letting the Bush tax cuts mostly expire for the rich, limiting the value of itemized deductions and some exclusions to 28 percent, taxing carried interest at regular rates, and eliminating tax breaks for oil and gas companies and for corporate jets.
So what happens? The well-off do better under Obama than under Clinton-era policies. The even-more-well-off also do better. The really-well-off also do better. And the genuinely rich? They do ever so slightly worse: their after-tax income is maybe 2-3% lower under the Obama proposals than under the tax rates of the Clinton era"
Class warfare! And the end of western civilization!
bigmack
10-05-2011, 05:00 AM
Communism/Socialism update.
Tax Policy Center.
Lookie hcap, takin' a BIG hit from The Mothership.
Hold it in now.
His posts come shortly after an exhale.
Lookie hcap, takin' a BIG hit from The Mothership.
Hold it in now.
His posts come shortly after an exhale.
What's da matter bunkie? Chart got your tongue?
I guess this makes you yearn for those golden days of yesteryear, when Gunner Joe led the holy crusade against all them commies under your bed.
BOO!!!
bigmack
10-05-2011, 05:21 AM
Class warfare! And the end of western civilization!
Speaking of The Mothership, linkie :confused: Where da linkie to this graph that says WHAT, exactly?
fast4522
10-05-2011, 06:33 AM
Ya right, believe this putz. Everything has a effect, especially when the little guy gets stuck paying more.
Speaking of The Mothership, linkie :confused: Where da linkie to this graph that says WHAT, exactly?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/how-obamas-tax-hikes-will-really-impact-the-rich-in-three-easy-charts/2011/03/03/gIQAmbbLIL_blog.html
The graph says repugs and TP'ers and righties here love to bitch about imaginary commie plots to destroy the country.
What's the difference between Ronald Reagan and Barack OBama?
Reagan had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope.
Obama has no cash and no hope.
What's the difference between Ronald Reagan and Barack OBama?
Reagan had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope.
Obama has no cash and no hope.
What was Ronnie's favorite vegetable? No, it was NOT the lowly rutabaga. It was .......
KETCHUP :cool:
Reagan's FY1982 budget proposed $57 billion in spending cuts, with $27 billion of those cuts to entitlements. The budget was later modified and passed as the Gramm-Latta Budget which cut $1 billion from the school lunch program and tasked the USDA with coming up with a solution that maintained nutritional requirements for school lunches in spite of the lower funding.[1] On September 3, 1981, the Secretary of Agriculture proposed classifying ketchup and pickle relish as vegetables to save money on school lunch programs.
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A Reagan healthy school lunch!
There is no good reason to be serving any lunches at school.
Have two 4 hour sessions, half the kids in the morning, half in the afternoon.
Then they eat at home, like nature and God intended.
There is no good reason to be serving any lunches at school.
Have two 4 hour sessions, half the kids in the morning, half in the afternoon.
Then they eat at home, like nature and God intended.
If God had intended for us to run around naked, he would have made our skins fit
If blind people wear sunglasses, why don't deaf people wear earmuffs? ...
If God intended our kids to eat ketchup, he would had made a McDonalds take out window in the Garden of Eden.
fast4522
10-05-2011, 06:59 PM
God intended man to make good choices for himself.
And not the skumbag who taxes the shit out you.
As the saying goes, "God helps those who help themselves"
If God had intended for us to run around naked, he would have made our skins fit
If blind people wear sunglasses, why don't deaf people wear earmuffs? ...
If God intended our kids to eat ketchup, he would had made a McDonalds take out window in the Garden of Eden.
So what is it not, hcap, 8 years since you were able to participate intelligent discussions? 9? 10?
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