State Speakers support NJ sports betting at state Senate panel hearing

[Canarsie]

I could have put in sports instead but they have a picture of the Meadowlands in the article. You can download the ballot question and comment.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/Speakers_support_NJ_sports_betting_at_state_Senate _panel_hearing.html

[Robert Goren]

The Congress is years away from legalizing sports gambling. A lot of current members of congress are adamantly opposed to allowing. They will have to replaced by members who are not opposed to it. Until the the people who want it stop voting for them because they agree with those members on other things, legal betting on sports is not going to happen. If you want it legalize, you have to make it a priority in your voting.

[mannyberrios]

Good luck, New Jersey

[thespaah]

States are desperate for revenue. 20 years ago if anyone though or said aloud there would be casino gambling outside of AC or Vegas, they were looked upon as potential asylum inmates.
Legalized sports betting is next. Never say never.
If the Brits can have it, why not the US...Makes no sense.

[HoofedInTheChest]

I am amazed there are places still dragging their feet on this subject, Canada has had legalized sports gambling for over 25 years......(Proline). If you think about it, people are going to bet on sports whether it's legal or not, you might as well legalize it and get your piece of the pie.

[thespaah]

I am amazed there are places still dragging their feet on this subject, Canada has had legalized sports gambling for over 25 years......(Proline). If you think about it, people are going to bet on sports whether it's legal or not, you might as well legalize it and get your piece of the pie.
Precisely what I've maintained for years.

[David-LV]

States are desperate for revenue. 20 years ago if anyone though or said aloud there would be casino gambling outside of AC or Vegas, they were looked upon as potential asylum inmates.
Legalized sports betting is next. Never say never.
If the Brits can have it, why not the US...Makes no sense.

It doesn't matter how desperate the states are for revenue.
You still have to change the federal law before states can have sports betting.
It won't be easy with the make up of this congress and probably the next congress either.

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David-LV

[thaskalos]

The most ridiculous argument against the legalization of sports betting is that it would compromise the integrity of the games. As if there aren't enough gambling places out there already for staging a betting coup...

Any country that allows bets on lotteries and horse races, while claiming to be against "widespread" gambling, is not only hypocritical...it's delusional.

[phattty]

jersey had their shot in 1991, but the casinos were fat and bloated, and worried more about expanding to florida...so they didn't go into overdrive to pass on state ballot and the churchs beat them down


according to federal mandate that was their one shot as there could be no farther expansion

[Canarsie]

I am amazed there are places still dragging their feet on this subject, Canada has had legalized sports gambling for over 25 years......(Proline). If you think about it, people are going to bet on sports whether it's legal or not, you might as well legalize it and get your piece of the pie.


Plus Canada has an even more important thing going for it as there are no taxes on winning wagers.

I still maintain if you physically have to drive somewhere to make a wager it won't be a huge success. In today's world all you have to do is go online (illegally of course) or pick up the phone and you can have up to seven days to settle up. Why would 99% of these people even consider wagering in a state run system?

[badcompany]

Plus Canada has an even more important thing going for it as there are no taxes on winning wagers.

I still maintain if you physically have to drive somewhere to make a wager it won't be a huge success. In today's world all you have to do is go online (illegally of course) or pick up the phone and you can have up to seven days to settle up. Why would 99% of these people even consider wagering in a state run system?

It's called "Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic viz AC & The Meadowlands."

Even if they do manage to get sports betting, a serious sports bettor, at this point, has a cable or direct tv sports package and can watch all the games at home.

[David-LV]

Plus Canada has an even more important thing going for it as there are no taxes on winning wagers.

I still maintain if you physically have to drive somewhere to make a wager it won't be a huge success. In today's world all you have to do is go online (illegally of course) or pick up the phone and you can have up to seven days to settle up. Why would 99% of these people even consider wagering in a state run system?

I just have three words for you: FULL TILT POKER.

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David-LV

[thespaah]

It doesn't matter how desperate the states are for revenue.
You still have to change the federal law before states can have sports betting.
It won't be easy with the make up of this congress and probably the next congress either.

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David-LV
That is not the point I make.
My angle is never say never. That I attempted to convey with the comparison to casino gaming.
Just because something "won't be easy" does not mean one does not try.

[thespaah]

I just have three words for you: FULL TILT POKER.

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David-LV
What about it?
That was a case where the executives paid themselves and were accused of not intending to pay off the account holders.
Different set of circumstances.

[Canarsie]

I just have three words for you: FULL TILT POKER.

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David-LV

More people have probably been burnt by those three words than all bookmakers combined. Its very rare that a person doesn't get paid at least to my knowledge. If that was to happen word would travel really fast and they would lose most of their action.

Even when there's the every 2 year raid on illegal gambling some outfits will pay off the busted ones just to gain new customers.

Oh and I was at the Meadowlands one afternoon when all computers went down and no wagering was available. It was kind of strange that there were still well over a thousand people there screaming at the racetracks being shown. Think they cared about Full Tilt?

I would have to drive 15 miles to the nearest OTW to make a sports wager. Or I could do it from my cell phone anywhere in this country and beyond.

So what's your opinion on offshore rebate shops? I don't really see any complaint posted here.

Someone once said if you don't know a bookmaker in NJ you have zero friends. That about sums it up.

[David-LV]

More people have probably been burnt by those three words than all bookmakers combined. Its very rare that a person doesn't get paid at least to my knowledge. If that was to happen word would travel really fast and they would lose most of their action.

Even when there's the every 2 year raid on illegal gambling some outfits will pay off the busted ones just to gain new customers.

Oh and I was at the Meadowlands one afternoon when all computers went down and no wagering was available. It was kind of strange that there were still well over a thousand people there screaming at the racetracks being shown. Think they cared about Full Tilt?

I would have to drive 15 miles to the nearest OTW to make a sports wager. Or I could do it from my cell phone anywhere in this country and beyond.

So what's your opinion on offshore rebate shops? I don't really see any complaint posted here.

Someone once said if you don't know a bookmaker in NJ you have zero friends. That about sums it up.

My opinion is that if you are betting with these offshore rebate shops that it is illegal and against the law. So if you want to take a chance and do something that is illegal it is up to each person.
You never know who the feds are investigating next. It could be you.

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David-LV

[Canarsie]

My opinion is that if you are betting with these offshore rebate shops that it is illegal and against the law. So if you want to take a chance and do something that is illegal it is up to each person.
You never know who the feds are investigating next. It could be you.

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David-LV

While I did ask that question aren't you just cherry picking one of my arguments?

I just gave that as an example at least to me you were stating that people get burned by books and they would be better off driving a long distance to wager on a sport.

Heck most don't even drive to the racetrack to bet horses.

[PaceAdvantage]

What about it?
That was a case where the executives paid themselves and were accused of not intending to pay off the account holders.
Different set of circumstances.But it shows a mindset that meant it probably isn't a stretch to think some other shady stuff was going on behind the scenes.

How easy would it have been for them to "help out" a friend who might have been short and down on his luck. Let him "see" a few choice hands, especially at one of the huge stakes tables...nobody would know...tell me this didn't happen.

Do it just enough to make a quick score and not enough to generate a "pattern" that could be discovered, like what happened at Absolute Poker.

[thespaah]

But it shows a mindset that meant it probably isn't a stretch to think some other shady stuff was going on behind the scenes.

How easy would it have been for them to "help out" a friend who might have been short and down on his luck. Let him "see" a few choice hands, especially at one of the huge stakes tables...nobody would know...tell me this didn't happen.

Do it just enough to make a quick score and not enough to generate a "pattern" that could be discovered, like what happened at Absolute Poker.
Good point. The mention of the poker site caught me off guard though. I didn't get the connection.