KC

[DigitalDownsJoe]

I understand that they are banged up, and now without Jamal Charles I am sitting here wondering if they will even win a game this year. They have been outscored 89-10 by the Bills and Lions. I know both are "improved" this year, but I am not sold either is a superbowl contender. In fact I dont see either even really having a realistic chance to go to the division championship. With that being said and losing thier best player last week for the season, what do you think the chances of this team who won their division last year going winless? I mean this is the NFL and on any given Sunday any team could beat another team, but what do you think their final record will be. I know its only week 1, but this has to be the worst showing of a previous playoff team from the year before through 2 weeks. They play at Indy in a few weeks, that should be a real fun game to watch.. :lol:

[Valuist]

I understand that they are banged up, and now without Jamal Charles I am sitting here wondering if they will even win a game this year. They have been outscored 89-10 by the Bills and Lions. I know both are "improved" this year, but I am not sold either is a superbowl contender. In fact I dont see either even really having a realistic chance to go to the division championship. With that being said and losing thier best player last week for the season, what do you think the chances of this team who won their division last year going winless? I mean this is the NFL and on any given Sunday any team could beat another team, but what do you think their final record will be. I know its only week 1, but this has to be the worst showing of a previous playoff team from the year before through 2 weeks. They play at Indy in a few weeks, that should be a real fun game to watch.. :lol:

Winless? Almost zero chance. They are bad, and the fact they won their division last year was largely a product of a very easy schedule. But at some point, someone will overlook them.

BTW, you are wrong on Detroit. They've already passed Chicago IMO and will give Green Bay all they can handle. They have now won 6 straight games. But this isn't the year they'll will advance far in the postseason. They'll need another year for that but I do see them as a likely wildcard playoff team.

[Marshall Bennett]

KC may win a game if the other team turns the ball over 7 or 8 times. Then they still have to score so chances are slim.

[slew101]

They play Denver twice and the Raiders twice, so there are plenty of possible wins on their schedule.

I'd say they win 5 or 6 games.

[DigitalDownsJoe]

5 or 6 games???I would put the over under at about 3...With the under being -115 LOL Oakland is not a bad team at all. Denver I could see them beating, but prob a split at best. I think they will go 2-14. As for Detroit, they have alot of talent, with some holes that will be exposed when they play some real teams. Chicago is a story of Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde, you never know which team, or which Jay Cutler will show up. I would say if Chicago comes to play, they would beat Detroit no problem. Lets see how bad SD beats them. I say they win by atleast 21..This is the game Ryan Mathews puts his name on the map in the NFL. :jump:

[Robert Goren]

I have watch both their games and a couple of preseason games. They stink out loud. Somehow, someplace they win a couple of games. It had looked like they had turned the table last year, but they hadn't. Their weakness at QB is being exposed this year. They also have a bunch of specialists parading as starters. That is never a good sign. They may not be the worst team in the league but they are very close. Their overall lack of talent is catching up to them. With Charles out, they have nothing going for them.

They are are a lot worse than the Raiders and are probably about even with the Broncos, the Seahawks, the Colts and the Vikings at this point.

[dav4463]

Herman Edwards ruined this team and they still haven't recovered. Last year appears to be a fluke.

[sandpit]

They've got a home game against the Vikings next week, and the Dolphins several weeks from now, otherwise the OOC games look mighty tough. 4-12 seems reasonable unless something very positive happens in the clubhouse.

[Pace Cap'n]

The buzz in K.C. this week is the "Suck for Luck" campaign. Chief's fans are encouraged to cheer for the other team and hope for the first pick in next year's draft.

[DigitalDownsJoe]

Over/Under 3.5 whats your pick???I say under I think they win next week against Minn, but with AP against their run D I am not sure if that will even happen. I picked up McCluster off the waiver wires in my fantasy league as a flex..I think he's going to have a nice upside and should see more touches now.

[Robert Goren]

Over/Under 3.5 whats your pick???I say under I think they win next week against Minn, but with AP against their run D I am not sure if that will even happen. I picked up McCluster off the waiver wires in my fantasy league as a flex..I think he's going to have a nice upside and should see more touches now.Seeing is believing with this guy. They haven't clue how to use him. Right now he is a poor man's Reggie Bush. I don't see much fantsay value to him. He might break something for a long TD sometime, but who knows when. The rest of time he gets you maybe 50 combined yards and maybe a catch or two in a PPR league. He will basically get you back up TE numbers.

[DigitalDownsJoe]

I play in a very high scoring league. We get points for everything, including return yards. We also get bonus points for long scores so it totally raises his value. I wouldn't even consider putting him in a regular league. Plus he is basically my 4th WR..We do 3 WR, 2 TE, and a Flex WR/TE. Makes it a lot of fun and realistic, and if one of your players has a bad day it doesn't kill you.

[Valuist]

KC is bad, no doubt. But they may not even be the worst NFL team in the state of Missouri. The Rams have had a tough schedule, no doubt, but they looked pathetic yesterday. Bradford looks like he's regressed. And their D?? You'd think with Spagnola that would've moved forward. Not the case.

Could KC beat Minn? At home they could. But I think the Vikings are a better team. They still have the best RB in the NFL.

[Canarsie]

Herman Edwards ruined this team and they still haven't recovered. Last year appears to be a fluke.


Unless you posted this at the end of last year how in the world could you blame him?. It would be like me saying that they haven't recovered from Charlie Weis leaving.

When football teams (or any sport) are bad over a long period of time its because of bad management. After all they are the ones hiring the coach and evaluating personnel.

Great teams have stable management even if they have to overpay to keep people they deem important.

Just look at Matt Millen how can you blame the coach.

[Valuist]

I wouldn't exactly call them good, but at 3-3 they are clearly better than the other Missouri team. 6 picks of Oakland. Looks like they are out of the "Suck for Luck" race.

Indy and Miami are clearly in it.....would St Louis give up on Bradford already? Maybe they'd just trade the pick. Indy would be perfect for Luck; sit and learn for 2 years under the master....

[Canarsie]

I wouldn't exactly call them good, but at 3-3 they are clearly better than the other Missouri team. 6 picks of Oakland. Looks like they are out of the "Suck for Luck" race.

Indy and Miami are clearly in it.....would St Louis give up on Bradford already? Maybe they'd just trade the pick. Indy would be perfect for Luck; sit and learn for 2 years under the master....

Lets play devils advocate with Luck seeing quarterbacks with less of a skill set than his (opinion) starting. He doesn't want to sit 2 or more years like Rodgers did wants to be a Cam Newton type. Does he demand a trade if drafted by Indy? Does Indy cut Manning?

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-09/peyton-manning/story/indianapolis-colts-protected-financially-if-peyton-manning-cant-play

This is being put out for entertainment purposes only trying to get a discussion going.

[Bettowin]

No and hell no!

Doesn't Luck have one more year of elgibility left after this year? That's some leverage.

[Valuist]

Lets play devils advocate with Luck seeing quarterbacks with less of a skill set than his (opinion) starting. He doesn't want to sit 2 or more years like Rodgers did wants to be a Cam Newton type. Does he demand a trade if drafted by Indy? Does Indy cut Manning?

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-09/peyton-manning/story/indianapolis-colts-protected-financially-if-peyton-manning-cant-play

This is being put out for entertainment purposes only trying to get a discussion going.

No they don't cut Manning. Why would he demand a trade? He could learn from one of the all-time greats Yes, let Luck sit for two years. Rodgers did and it worked out great. That's the way it always used to be. You draft a guy and throw him out there right away, you get Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and a slew of QBs who were lousy.

[Canarsie]

No they don't cut Manning. Why would he demand a trade? He could learn from one of the all-time greats Yes, let Luck sit for two years. Rodgers did and it worked out great. That's the way it always used to be. You draft a guy and throw him out there right away, you get Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and a slew of QBs who were lousy.

Please remember I'm playing devils advocate here. It's not like I'm on one side or another just like to bring up points for both sides.

Even with the reduced rookie pay scale in the new bargaining agreement that's a lot of money to tie up in two quarterbacks one who might never be anywhere near completely healthy again.


The quarterbacks you brought up were in a different era. While I agree the smart thing to do is learn from Manning what happens when Luck's reply is "their even starting Tebow in his rookie season".

Most of the quarterbacks you listed were from a different era college FB now is much more pass orientated. Players in the last decade want to go to a school that will get them ready for the NFL. That usually means a schools that run the closet thing to a pro set offense.

On the dumber side of me I have to admit that I thought Leaf would be good in the NFL. Shows you what I know couldn't have been more wrong.

[Robert Goren]

KC may win a game if the other team turns the ball over 7 or 8 times. Then they still have to score so chances are slim. You under estimated KC. 6 was enough yesterday.

[Robert Goren]

It is really tough to tell with QBs whether or not they are a head case coming out of college.

[Bettowin]

It is really tough to tell with QBs whether or not they are a head case coming out of college.

Yeah like Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf? Not to mention Jamarcus Russell:)

[sandpit]

Yeah like Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf? Not to mention Jamarcus Russell:)

That's two guys with zero work ethic and the other more interested in getting high than learning the playbook.

[Robert Goren]

Yeah like Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf? Not to mention Jamarcus Russell:)
You forgot the biggest QB flop in the history of the NFL. Matt Leinart. Everybody thought he would be a star. He was given the job and lost it and he can't even claim it wasn't his fault because team was terrible. His replacement took the team to the super bowl.

[Canarsie]

You forgot the biggest QB flop in the history of the NFL. Matt Leinart. Everybody thought he would be a star. He was given the job and lost it and he can't even claim it wasn't his fault because team was terrible. His replacement took the team to the super bowl.


That's pretty harsh since his replacement is a Hall of Fame QB in my opinion.

He had his moments though rare and is still in the league as a backup. The others mentioned are really brutal. I doubt Leinart would make the bottom 5 or maybe even 10 all time.

[Valuist]

Yeah like Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf? Not to mention Jamarcus Russell:)

Leaf and Russell. Two products of the NFL combine. Before the combine, it was assumed Manning would go first. Then at the combine, all the so-called experts were "wowed" by Leaf. Who really cares how much a QB can bench press? Or their vertical leap? One shouldn't need a combine to see if a QB doesn't have the arm to play at the NFL level. Another guy who didn't have a great combine was some guy named Brady. Wonder how the NFL scouts feel now about him.

[slew101]

Manning did go first, Leaf was drafted 2nd.

I thought Leaf would be very good off his Rose Bowl effort against Michigan with a very average team behind him. Dead wrong. I did expect Russell to be absolutely terrible from Day 1.

[QUOTE=Valuist]Leaf and Russell. Two products of the NFL combine. Before the combine, it was assumed Manning would go first. Then at the combine, all the so-called experts were "wowed" by Leaf.

[Valuist]

Manning did go first, Leaf was drafted 2nd.

I thought Leaf would be very good off his Rose Bowl effort against Michigan with a very average team behind him. Dead wrong. I did expect Russell to be absolutely terrible from Day 1.

[QUOTE=Valuist]Leaf and Russell. Two products of the NFL combine. Before the combine, it was assumed Manning would go first. Then at the combine, all the so-called experts were "wowed" by Leaf.

I realize Manning went first. Before the combine it was a slam dunk. Then after the combine, the scouts and so-called experts said it was a toss up. But realistically, I don't think there was any question of who would go first.

[Valuist]

So the Chiefs start out 0-3 and were outscored 89-10 in the first two weeks. They are now 4-3. If the voting were now, Haley would have to get some consideration for Coach of the Year. Schwartz and Gailey figure to get most of the attention but Haley has done a great job turning the team from being in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes to tied for the division lead.

[melman]

Valuist--You must have had a brain cramp. At this point in the season the clear cut leader for NFL Coach of the Year is someone you did NOT even mention. Jim Harbaugh has San Francisco looking pretty good.

[Valuist]

Valuist--You must have had a brain cramp. At this point in the season the clear cut leader for NFL Coach of the Year is someone you did NOT even mention. Jim Harbaugh has San Francisco looking pretty good.

LOL. I did forget him. And San Fran is very legit. I actually thought they were the best team in that division last year but they started out with a brutal schedule and went 0-5 and couldn't recover. Harbaugh is a definite contender but is he CLEAR CUT above Schwartz, Gailey and Haley? I wouldn't say clear cut.

[Robert Goren]

The season is a long way from over and many strange things can happen. Right now the Packer coach is the coach of the year.
The KC turn around is nothing short of amazing. Many people(including me) were putting them the league with the Manningless Colts after first three games.

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[melman]

Valuist--Maybe I was to strong with the clear cut. However I really think he is the leader at this point. His team holds a win over Swartz and Haley his team caught two huge breaks in a row. Catching an OAK team without a real QB and the very good RB hurt. Then having SD hand them the game on a fluke play. SF for many years now has had a VERY hard time winning games in the Eastern Time Zone. Plus Harbaugh has them at 6-1 with Alex Smith as his QB. :) After this weeks road game at WASH they play a lot of games in there own division. Which is a very weak one. Barring some major injuries they look lockish for the playoffs. As to the GB coach, that's just NOT how this award works. Same as in MLB. If they did Girardi and Manuel would have been Manager of the Year. The award is set up for the coach who brings his team from poor or very average to good in one year. We may not like that idea but that's the way it's been working for a long time now.