What advice would you give President Obama?

[so.cal.fan]

If you had a chance to tell him. :)
Please be respectful..... :lol:

[Mike at A+]

Keep blaming Bush for everything. Stupid people will continue to believe you.

[so.cal.fan]

So. Cal. Fan would respectfully "suggest"

1. Repeal Obamacare

2. Trash Kenysian economics

3. Do away with all the wasteful "agencies" and "czars".

4. Do away with the Federal Reserve

5. Save America and let the rest of the world fend for themselves.

6. Start all manufacturing in this country.

7. Use our massive natural resources.

[murph8]

If you had a chance to tell him. :)
Please be respectful..... :lol:

quit :eek:

[RaceBookJoe]

The same advice that Abe Lincoln gave him...go see a play :) rbj

[Mike at A+]

So. Cal. Fan would respectfully "suggest"

1. Repeal Obamacare - He'll lose the black vote

2. Trash Kenysian economics - Ditto

3. Do away with all the wasteful "agencies" and "czars". - He'll lose his friends

4. Do away with the Federal Reserve - He won't be able to print money

5. Save America and let the rest of the world fend for themselves. - They'll take away his Nobel Prize

6. Start all manufacturing in this country. - China will still do it cheaper and better if unions are involved

7. Use our massive natural resources. - He'll lose the tree hugger vote.

[Tom]

That bridge in Ohio you are going to.....drive over it.

[boxcar]

What advice: Buy two one-way tickets back to Kenya so that he can return with his illegal alien uncle back to his roots.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Apologize to boxcar?


http://www.booyapictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/obama_ceritifcate.jpg

[boxcar]

I wouldn't accept it unless he bowed to me, also.

Boxcar

[so.cal.fan]

Hndicap,
Is it true both Barack Hussein Obama's parents were communists?
Also his grandparents on his mother's side?
Just asking.

[ArlJim78]

my advice would be to resign now before the indictments of your cabinet members occur and before the humiliating loss you will suffer in the election next year.

[horses4courses]

my advice would be to resign now before the indictments of your cabinet members occur and before the humiliating loss you will suffer in the election next year.

:lol:

You know, the GOPers are so bent on Obama's downfall, it's close to anarchy.
They want everything to spiral down the toilet into that drain of destruction.

Problem for them is, though, it ain't gonna happen......

[Tom]

:lol:

You know, the GOPers are so bent on Obama's downfall, it's close to anarchy.
They want everything to spiral down the toilet into that drain of destruction.

Problem for them is, though, it ain't gonna happen......


Uh, it's already happened!

[Actor]

4. Do away with the Federal Reserve

Anyone with any knowledge of how banking works knows this is impossible. Neither party would support such a thing. If you did do away with the Fed you would have to replace it with something else to perform the same functions, making the "do away" simply a name change.

On the other hand we just might be able to do away with the Fed by adopting a socialist economy. Do you want that?

[Greyfox]

My advice would be:
"Barry old boy, you're right on target to achieving your ideals.
You are bin Laden's best ally. You've Captained the ship so that the Good US
Enterprise is right on target to crash into the reefs.

Your single idea of "SPEND, SPEND, SPEND" is going to have the impact of bringing down America's Military Industrial complex. Mission Accomplished!

Your giving Solyndra $500,000 million of the stimulus money was brilliant. They've failed and that's put 1,100 workers out on their asses.

Similarly, totally ignoring the Pentagon's concern that LightSquared Communications project would put the US security at risk was that of a master
mind.

But it took true genius to put $38.6 Billion smackers into the Green Jobs fund.
So far that money has created 3,545 jobs. That's $1 million dollars spent for every job created.
Don't let it bother you that by 2017 or so the interest owing to China will pay the wages of their entire army for years. Dang, that's what you wanted wasn't it. Barry you are right on target to achieve your goals.

And you've got supporters who will post on message boards on your behalf.
Heck, you might even accomplish all you wanted to in the next 12 months."

[Robert Goren]

Get the Hell out of Afghanistan.

[Sugar Ron]

Keep stepping up the PRESSURE on the do-nothing cons and their failed policies...

[LottaKash]

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Ya know Barry, we really gotta give these things up....:eek:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp137/lottakash/smoking_baby1.gif

I know Kid, but I gotta sneak em in when Michelle aint't looking....That is why I send her on all these "plane rides"...
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp137/lottakash/Obama-smoking.jpg

[hcap]

Hndicap,
Is it true both Barack Hussein Obama's parents were communists?
Also his grandparents on his mother's side?
Just asking.No Muslims from the planet Mongo.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wBKIkJkadG0/SmjF-enfLCI/AAAAAAAACSc/1WQ6ITBUCus/s400/flash-gordon-movie-2.jpg

An early rarely seen family photo. All were active in attempting to reinstate the Caliphate on Mongo. Flash Gordon (center ) foiled the plot and later in his career became our 40th President under a assumed name and a great hair dye job

Little known trivia.

[ArlJim78]

:lol:

You know, the GOPers are so bent on Obama's downfall, it's close to anarchy.
They want everything to spiral down the toilet into that drain of destruction.

Problem for them is, though, it ain't gonna happen......
in case you haven't noticed the anarchy and downward spiral is all around us thanks to our communist president who hates this country.

his downfall, his defeat next year will be like a rebirth for the nation, new life, a second chance after looking into the blackness of the abyss.

[PhantomOnTour]

Quit trying to make friends with Islam.

[BlueShoe]

Totally repudiate and discard your Marxist ideology and embrace the free market capitalist systen that has made America great.

[Mike at A+]

Totally repudiate and discard your Marxist ideology and embrace the free market capitalist systen that has made America great.
He can't do that because his base would object. They'd need to become personally responsible and everyone knows that would be a racist concept.

[HUSKER55]

PUT ME IN CHARGE! :D

[llegend39]

RESIGN AND TAKE THE OTHER DOPES HIM!

[riskman]

Surprise us and announce that you do not plan to run for re-election in 2012. Lets face it, you gave it your best shot but it has not worked out for the American people.One in five able bodied Americans are out of work right now.Our economy is in shambles with no clear recovery in sight.Let the voters decide in the primaries who the next nominee will be of the Democratic Party.
Serve the remainder of your term in office concentrating on the next financial bubble that is ripe to burst, the student loan market. Default rates on student loans at for-profit institutions are absolutely horrifying. Good luck,hope you can at least help the young people with unemployment.

[dartman51]

Get the Hell out of Afghanistan.


:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[dartman51]

No Muslims from the planet Mongo.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wBKIkJkadG0/SmjF-enfLCI/AAAAAAAACSc/1WQ6ITBUCus/s400/flash-gordon-movie-2.jpg

An early rarely seen family photo. All were active in attempting to reinstate the Caliphate on Mongo. Flash Gordon (center ) foiled the plot and later in his career became our 40th President under a assumed name and a great hair dye job

Little known trivia.


WOW!!!! Who knew????? Oh......appearantly you did :eek:

[bigmack]

Gas up the Schwinn, head down Pennsylvania Ave., and just keep goin'.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/obama%20bike.jpg

[Tom]

Get the Hell out of Afghanistan.

Get the Hell out of America!

[mostpost]

So. Cal. Fan would respectfully "suggest"

1. Repeal Obamacare
Tell you what. You show us a bill titled "Obamacare", and we will repeal it.

2. Trash Kenysian economics
Do you mean Keynesian economics?

3. Do away with all the wasteful "agencies" and "czars".
Is it OK of we keep the non wasteful ones? And who decides?

4. Do away with the Federal Reserve
See Actors response.

5. Save America and let the rest of the world fend for themselves.
Then where is Walmart going to buy its goods?

6. Start all manufacturing in this country.
This is even dumber than the first five. If that's possible. Start it here, then move it overseas? We are already doing that.
This makes no sense.
7. Use our massive natural resources.
You mean like drilling in national parks, strip mining and such? Then what happens when those resources are used up and we are left with a barren wasteland. But you don't care about that.

[so.cal.fan]

Mr. Most:
We've been trying to make "globalism" work for several decades, it has failed, as has Keynesian economics(thank you for the correction).
It's time to save the United States.
How long can we kick the can down the road?

[newtothegame]

Mr. Most:
We've been trying to make "globalism" work for several decades, it has failed, as has Keynesian economics(thank you for the correction).
It's time to save the United States.
How long can we kick the can down the road?
Can hell...if it were up to Mosty and his comrades, we would be pushing a barrel uphill.....(not that we are that far away ) lol

[mostpost]

Totally repudiate and discard your Marxist ideology and embrace the free market capitalist systen that has made America great.

We had free market capitalism around the turn of the last century (the 20th). What happened was the economic power was concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. Teddy Roosevelt busted those trusts.

In the 1920's there was no regulation of Wall Street. The result? A bubble and the biggest bust in our history.

Under the New Deal, business was held responsible for what it did and how it treated its employees. Wall Street was not allowed to invent fraudulent ways of earning money. We embarked on fifty years of prosperity, with few and minor downturns. Not because of free market capitalism, but because of capitalism that was kept in check and made to work for the benefit of all.

In the 1980's we lost our way. Fools started to think that we could prosper by giving more and more to the wealthiest in our society. They somehow believed that those would wealthiest would share their new found riches. Of course that has not happened. These wealthy people have deluded themselves into thinking that they alone are responsible for their success. The refuse to acknowledge the roll of government or of the people who work for them.

So we now have a free market capitalism once again. What is the bellweather of free market capitalism. It is competition. What happens in the case of unrestrained competition? Some one wins and some one loses. And each time someone wins that someone becomes stronger. Until finally that someone is so strong that no one can compete with them. A story that has been repeated many times in many towns involving WalMart.

Free Market Capitalism, in the end, results in a loss of competition. Regulated capitalism results in continued competition.

Finally we have the regulation, or lack thereof, of Wall Street. The geniuses decided that Wall Street could regulate itself. This is akin to giving an alcoholic the key to the liquor cabinet. The result? The second worst disaster in our nations history.

Proper government regulation of business is not communism. It is keeping the key to the liquor cabinet out of the hands of someone who is incapable of using it properly. Out of the hands of someone who will destroy the nation's house if allowed uncontrolled access.

[mostpost]

Mr. Most:
We've been trying to make "globalism" work for several decades, it has failed, as has Keynesian economics(thank you for the correction).
It's time to save the United States.
How long can we kick the can down the road?

I am not in favor of globalism, nor am I in favor of isolationism. The first thing we need to do is reinstate tariffs on products coming in from other countries. The second thing we need to do is to punish companies which send jobs overseas. The third thing we need to do is tax at normal rates any money which American companies repatriate from overseas branches. If you are an American company, you pay American taxes regardless of where you earned the money.

The theory behind globalism was that it would level the playing field by raising the standard of living in the other countries. It has happened in the opposite direction. You always find the lowest common denominator.

[so.cal.fan]

"we need to do is reinstate tariffs on products coming in from other countries"

Yes, we do. Manufacture our own flip flops here in the U.S.
China will have to deal with it.

Do you think Germany will bail out Greece? If they do, won't it crash their own banking system. I don't think they can do it.

[chickenhead]

Germany and the Euro zone can quite easily absorb Greek debts. They don't want to, but they can. Their problem is political.

[Tom]

This is even dumber than the first five.

When you call So.Cal.Fan dumb, I take exception.
You Baghdad Bob wannabe - if you want to talk about dumb, do search on mostpost. Or Obama.

[hcap]

An early rarely seen family photo. All were active in attempting to reinstate the Caliphate on Mongo. Flash Gordon (center ) foiled the plot and later in his career became our 40th President under a assumed name and a great hair dye job

Little known trivia.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wBKIkJkadG0/SmjF-enfLCI/AAAAAAAACSc/1WQ6ITBUCus/s400/flash-gordon-movie-2.jpgp

WOW!!!! Who knew????? Oh......appearantly you did :eek: I know the 1930's is way to far in the future for most here on PA off topic, but Flash Gordon battling Ming the Merciless is a perfect example for dealing with the enemies we face today. Studying minor details closely in Flash' epic battle, can alert us to who the enemy really is. For instance careful monitoring of our morally weak leftist mainstream media gives the terrorists a big advantage. Dead giveaway.







http://flashgordon.ws/images/ming3.jpg







And yes, they have already spread into the highest echelons of government.

http://www.theendive.com/assets/images/obamaming2sized.jpg

[HUSKER55]

you need to reverse the costumes in that last pic

[bigmack]

1. Repeal Obamacare
Tell you what. You show us a bill titled "Obamacare", and we will repeal it.

Mostie very much resents anyone calling that PoS bill, "ObamaCare."

[Sugar Ron]

We had free market capitalism around the turn of the last century (the 20th). What happened was the economic power was concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. Teddy Roosevelt busted those trusts.

In the 1920's there was no regulation of Wall Street. The result? A bubble and the biggest bust in our history.

Under the New Deal, business was held responsible for what it did and how it treated its employees. Wall Street was not allowed to invent fraudulent ways of earning money. We embarked on fifty years of prosperity, with few and minor downturns. Not because of free market capitalism, but because of capitalism that was kept in check and made to work for the benefit of all.

In the 1980's we lost our way. Fools started to think that we could prosper by giving more and more to the wealthiest in our society. They somehow believed that those would wealthiest would share their new found riches. Of course that has not happened. These wealthy people have deluded themselves into thinking that they alone are responsible for their success. The refuse to acknowledge the roll of government or of the people who work for them.

So we now have a free market capitalism once again. What is the bellweather of free market capitalism. It is competition. What happens in the case of unrestrained competition? Some one wins and some one loses. And each time someone wins that someone becomes stronger. Until finally that someone is so strong that no one can compete with them. A story that has been repeated many times in many towns involving WalMart.

Free Market Capitalism, in the end, results in a loss of competition. Regulated capitalism results in continued competition.

Finally we have the regulation, or lack thereof, of Wall Street. The geniuses decided that Wall Street could regulate itself. This is akin to giving an alcoholic the key to the liquor cabinet. The result? The second worst disaster in our nations history.

Proper government regulation of business is not communism. It is keeping the key to the liquor cabinet out of the hands of someone who is incapable of using it properly. Out of the hands of someone who will destroy the nation's house if allowed uncontrolled access.

Geezuz H. Khrist, THAT is one of the greatest posts ever to appear in this section of the board.

Hell, I think mostpost owns the entire top 100 at this point.

OUTSTANDING work, sir

Like I said in my small contribution to the thread ... this is exactly what BO needs to do during the campaign next year ... keep exposing these con mofos and their tired, old, failed policies...

[JustRalph]

Keep Michelle away from Glenn Rice

[BlueShoe]

In the 1920's there was no regulation of Wall Street. The result? A bubble and the biggest bust in our history.
In the 1920's a certain former German army corporal and the members of an obscure political party were starting to gain power and influence. In Russia the Bolsheviks were crushing remaining opposition and consolidating power. Are these events and the systems of government they brought into power somehow considered to have been superior to the free market capitalist society of the USA?

[so.cal.fan]

Doesn't work.
Why do all the progressives of both major political parties persist with this?

[Greyfox]

Doesn't work.
Why do all the progressives of both major political parties persist with this?

Because politicians buy votes. They know that once Government gives the populace a perk of any kind, taking it away is unpopular and is reflected in the poll station results.

[hcap]

In the 1920's a certain former German army corporal and the members of an obscure political party were starting to gain power and influence. In Russia the Bolsheviks were crushing remaining opposition and consolidating power. Are these events and the systems of government they brought into power somehow considered to have been superior to the free market capitalist society of the USA?Nobody is suggesting we become communist or fascist. To claim any one here is asserting we do is absurd

We are talking regulation. Maybe you would rather have polluted water and air, thalidomide, love canal and poisonous baby foods? Valid role for regulation by government, because the free market runs amok every once and a while and the invisible hand applicable earlier in our history does not balance greed and indifference immediately. Maybe eventually a companies misdeeds catch up and close them down. But recent history as mostpost pointed out, shows otherwise. Capitalism is a strong economic system and has transformed the west, but has certain limitations.

[Tom]

We are talking regulation. Maybe you would rather have polluted water and air, thalidomide, love canal and poisonous baby foods?

And to suggest that is equally absurd. you prefer joblessness and high priced food? The current slut of gov regs are killing both farmers and business. Instead of focusing on the economy, the Moron N Chief and his jerks in congress are fostering their own political agendas. When it takes 10 hours a week to document and register the PIG SHIT you clean out of your barns you have an out of control, useless government.

Which describes the Obama Reich to a TEE!

This is why we need single term limits. The WHORES who live in DC do not suffer the consequences of their folly. We do. There has never been a man nor woman worthy of a second term and there never will be. The entire roll call the congress must bee 100% turned over every 8 years. End of story.
Great nations are not run by small people.

If the Orcon Man ever runs, will vote for him. The place needs to sprayed really bad.

[so.cal.fan]

Keynesian economics has failed in Europe.
Now they are trying to get China to take over their IMF?????
This isn't going to work.
China is not in good shape, they have a real estate bubble, they have built cities that are empty and their economy is questionable.....their numbers are not accurate according to experts.
Do they think they can replace the EURO with their currency?
I doubt they are big enough to do that.
The dollar is still the "prettiest girl at the dance".
Next week should be interesting, I'll be watching these markets closely.

[Actor]

The advise I would give to Obama would have to be in private, for his ears only, and classified Cosmic Top Secret, otherwise, it's worthless.

[Tom]

pssssst......Barry.

[so.cal.fan]

I think I would ask him why he wants to run for re-election?

If he wins half the people in the U.S. will disapprove of him anyway, oh wait........I think more than half already do....... :rolleyes:

Actually, I don't know why anyone would want to run for President in 2012.
No one has the will or the power to fix the country, not at this time.
People won't want to sacrifice and the politicians don't have the guts to just do the right things.

Would any of you on this board want to be the President of the U.S. next year?????????

[Native Texan III]

Keynesian economics has failed in Europe.
Now they are trying to get China to take over their IMF?????
This isn't going to work.
China is not in good shape, they have a real estate bubble, they have built cities that are empty and their economy is questionable.....their numbers are not accurate according to experts.
Do they think they can replace the EURO with their currency?
I doubt they are big enough to do that.
The dollar is still the "prettiest girl at the dance".
Next week should be interesting, I'll be watching these markets closely.

The only thing that has failed is the banks, both in Europe and here.
Ireland, for example, was running a Government surplus year on year until the banking sector failed on mass and had to be bailed out. UBS rogue trader just lost another $2B gambling bank's money.
Which European country has tried and failed with Keynesian methods? - they all seem to be doing the opposite with severe Government cuts and austerity. Same as Tea Party want or are the TP now the new Keynesians?

Relative to the West, China is in excellent shape. If it stops lending to USA or unloads our debts we are all in real trouble and the $ will go into free fall. Don't know where you get stuff about taking over IMF or Euro. The markets are going to be very volatile for several months as there is no solution on the table in any Western country to date.

[mostpost]

The only thing that has failed is the banks, both in Europe and here.
Ireland, for example, was running a Government surplus year on year until the banking sector failed on mass and had to be bailed out. UBS rogue trader just lost another $2B gambling bank's money.
Which European country has tried and failed with Keynesian methods? - they all seem to be doing the opposite with severe Government cuts and austerity. Same as Tea Party want or are the TP now the new Keynesians?

Relative to the West, China is in excellent shape. If it stops lending to USA or unloads our debts we are all in real trouble and the $ will go into free fall. Don't know where you get stuff about taking over IMF or Euro. The markets are going to be very volatile for several months as there is no solution on the table in any Western country to date.

I am wondering if So.cal.fan knows what Keynesian economics is. Keynesian economics does call for increasing government spending to stimulate the economy. That means spending on infrastructure and for services that can be provided by the private sector. Giving money to banks so that they don't go under is not Keynesian. We could have used the $700B+ we gave to the banks to finance a true Keynesian stimulus. On the other hand if we had not allowed the banks and Wall Street in general to run rampant, we may not have needed a stimulus.

[HUSKER55]

mostpost, refresh my memory, didn't keynesian economics depend on a small central government to work? In other words a small federal goverenment and small state government to work right?

thanks

[mostpost]

mostpost, refresh my memory, didn't keynesian economics depend on a small central government to work? In other words a small federal goverenment and small state government to work right?

thanks
Let's review: Keynes believed that leaving economic decisions solely to individual businessmen created inefficiencies. There was a time lag between an event, the reactions of business and the consequence of those reactions. Keynes felt it was the responsibility of government to smooth out those inefficiencies.
Keynes was not about ever increasing government spending. He favored increased spending when times were bad and reduced spending when times were good.

All of this seems to indicate that a small government would not be an effective practitioner of Keynesian economics. I really do not understand why you would think that is so. :confused:

[Greyfox]

Mostpost:

Brilliant as you might or likely are not on Keynes, the topic of the thread is
what advice you would give to Obama?

Don't let fear and common sense hold you back here!
Tell us what your advice would be.
(There, I've opened the door for you to say what he should do.
Take up the gauntlet. Go for it.)

Remember:
This thread is not about Keynes.
It is about:

What advice you would give President Obama?

[mostpost]

Mostpost:

Brilliant as you might or likely are not on Keynes, the topic of the thread is
what advice you would give to Obama?

Don't let fear and common sense hold you back here!
Tell us what your advice would be.
(There, I've opened the door for you to say what he should do.
Take up the gauntlet. Go for it.)

Remember:
This thread is not about Keynes.
It is about:

What advice you would give President Obama?

Why didn't you tell SOCALFAN that this thread is not about Keynes?
Why did you fail to tell Tom that this thread is not about Pig S--T?
This thread is about anything. Anything we want to tell Obama.


Brilliant on Keynes? Not at all. I am sure that many people know more than I do. It just seems that none of them are posting on the right side of this board. :rolleyes:

[HUSKER55]

All of this seems to indicate that a small government would not be an effective practitioner of Keynesian economics. I really do not understand why you would think that is so. :confused:



my thinking was that the more people in the private sector would mean there are more people "paying in" to government. More people working in the private sector would keep the government "in check" and there would be less inefficiencies in government.

What inefficiencies and lags are you referring to? Katrina proved that time lag is not a problem. Look at how quick all those mobile homes were assembled. I did not think that was a small feat.

[hcap]

And to suggest that is equally absurd. you prefer joblessness and high priced food? The current slut of gov regs are killing both farmers and business. Instead of focusing on the economy, the Moron N Chief and his jerks in congress are fostering their own political agendas. When it takes 10 hours a week to document and register the PIG SHIT you clean out of your barns you have an out of control, useless government.

Which describes the Obama Reich to a TEE!

This is why we need single term limits. The WHORES who live in DC do not suffer the consequences of their folly. We do. There has never been a man nor woman worthy of a second term and there never will be. The entire roll call the congress must bee 100% turned over every 8 years. End of story.
Great nations are not run by small people.

If the Orcon Man ever runs, will vote for him. The place needs to sprayed really bad.

I responded to BlueShoe implying we on the left were suggesting we turn to communism or fascism. My point was regulated capitalism is neither Then Tom posts the above. Assumptions that are simply that. Assumptions and talking points without evidence.

The economy tanked due to the recession. Worldwide. Regulations under Clinton, Bush, or Obama had nothing to do with it. and neither did Keynesian economics.

And as FAR AS RULES AND REGULATIONS KILLING JOBS.....

http://www.economist.com/node/17961890


Has this extra regulation made the economy worse off? Not necessarily.


http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2011/01/22/us/20110122_usc016.gif

And since Obama took over from Bush and his regulations, I point once gain to this old favorite.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jobs.gif

[Greyfox]

Why didn't you tell SOCALFAN that this thread is not about Keynes?
Why did you fail to tell Tom that this thread is not about Pig S--T?
This thread is about anything. Anything we want to tell Obama.



First of all the two posters that you mentioned have said what they'd advise Obama about.
No. This thread is not about anything.
So far you've made several posts.
None of your posts have offered : What advice you would give Obama?
None. Zero. Nil. Zippo. Zilch.

[Tom]

And as FAR AS RULES AND REGULATIONS KILLING JOBS.....

Screw the economists -go talk to the people buried by the regs.

25,000 pages of reg written in lawyerese - FOX hired the world's fastest speed reader to try to get through them and understand what he read.
10 hours a week for the PS report is not reasonable. This is pushing a green agenda, not helping the country.

[cj's dad]

Play some golf, a little hoops and clear your mind.

Finish up with a non-partisan hunting trip with Dick Chaney.

[hcap]

Screw the economists -go talk to the people buried by the regs.

25,000 pages of reg written in lawyerese - FOX hired the world's fastest speed reader to try to get through them and understand what he read.
10 hours a week for the PS report is not reasonable. This is pushing a green agenda, not helping the country.
As usual, just more unsubstantiated "I think that....blah, blah, blah"

If more regulations added by Obama-- and there are not much more than Bush--- caused loss of jobs, why the stop loss turnaround as evidenced by my favorite chart?

IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.

If anything, NOT enough of the Kenyan's Keynesian economics.



BTW, if you gentlemen do not remember what caused the Recession, well.....

/v/g4Uv4ftekaI?

[Tom]

If more regulations added by Obama-- and there are not much more than Bush--- caused loss of jobs, why the stop loss turnaround as evidenced by my favorite chart?

It doesn't matter who added them, they are killing farmers and businesses.
I wil take reality over pretty colored charts any day. blah blah blah.

[hcap]

It doesn't matter who added them, they are killing farmers and businesses.
I wil take reality over pretty colored charts any day. blah blah blah.

IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.
IT was the Recession.

Businesses have the bucks, but they are not going to create jobs if there is no demand. So we need more Keynesian economics, not less.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_09/google_exec_more_stimulus_not032278.php


Google exec: more stimulus, not ‘ludicrous’ cuts

Google Chairman Eric Schmidt appeared on ABC’s “This Week” yesterday, and told Christiane Amanpour what the economy needs. In fact, he presented the ideas as if they were obvious truths — which they just happen to be.

SCHMIDT: The economy is, today, stuck behind the power curve. It needs a lot of encouragement. It needs not just something like the jobs bill but, also, significant government stimulation in terms of buying power and investment otherwise we’re set up for years of extraordinarily low growth in the economy and no real solution to the jobless problem.

AMANPOUR: But you say significant stimulus. Obviously, this is a political environment where the only real conversation is about cutting. Do you see any expectation or possibility of a climate for more stimulus?

SCHMIDT: Well, that’s a political question, but the current strategy is ludicrous. You have a situation where the private sector sees essentially no growth in demand. The classic solution is to have the government step in and, with short-term initiatives, help stimulate that demand. If they do it right, they’ll invest in income- and growth-producing things like highways and bridges and schools, new opportunities for the private sector to go then build businesses.

He went on to say, “Business can create enormous numbers of new jobs in America. All we need to see is more demand. What’s happening right now is businesses are very well-run; they have a lot of cash; they’re waiting for more demand.”

If it sounds as if Google’s Schmidt was presenting Democratic economic ideas as if they’re just common sense moves, reflecting the consensus view among those who know what they’re talking about, that’s because he was doing exactly that.

And incidentally, Schmidt happens to be right. The laws of supply and demand are not subject to Republican filibusters or repeal efforts. Conservatives may not care for this reality, but the private sector has the resources to expand, but doesn’t have the customers.

What Schmidt calls the “classic solution” is straight out of Econ 101 textbooks: during economic downturns, the public sector boosts demand when no one else can, keeping the economy afloat until it recovers.

Republicans have no use for any of this — when there’s not enough demand, the GOP argues, it’s best to take money out of the economy, rather than injecting capital into the system. When the private sector says it needs more demand, Republicans respond by saying the private sector will flourish with even less demand.

I’m glad Schmidt explained otherwise. Maybe some other business leaders would be kind enough to join him in speaking up.

[Tom]

No one will invest with all the uncertainty the exists in both Obama-Care and the ever reaching liberal agenda putting ridiculous restraints on businesses. It makes more sense to invest off shore, where businesses are not demonized.

[mostpost]

First of all the two posters that you mentioned have said what they'd advise Obama about.
No. This thread is not about anything.
So far you've made several posts.
None of your posts have offered : What advice you would give Obama?
None. Zero. Nil. Zippo. Zilch.
All right. You win. Here is my advice to Obama. It does not include, shoot the republicans. Yet. :eek:

1. Stop trying to compromise with people who only see compromise as a sign of weakness.
2. Get tougher with members of your own party who vote with Republicans. Ben Nelson is a perfect example.
3. Make Bill Clinton head of your counsel of economic advisers and listen to him on everything except free trade.
4. Work to restore tariffs.
5. Work to eliminate the cap on Social Security payroll taxes.
6. Work to raise taxes on the wealthy by adding several brackets above $250,000. (I think Elkabong suggested starting at $400,000. I would be fine with that.)
7. Work to tax capital gains at the same rate as ordinary income.
8. Work to tax gains on foreign investments made by American citizens at a high rate regardless of whether the money is brought back to the United States.
9. Work to restore the balance between unions and management which is now so badly out of balance in favor of management.
10. Work to invest in infrastructure, including roads, bridges, schools.
11. Work to overturn Citizens United.
12 Work to strengthen the laws against medicare and medicaid fraud and the ability to enforce those laws.
13. Get out of Afgahanistan, close down Gitmo, try terrorist in civilian courts.

So there is a Baker's dozen of ideas. I hope this keeps me eligible to post in this thread.

[Tom]

You were further ahead at "zippo."

[Greyfox]

Yes, you have some very good ideas there Mostie.
I don't believe in Capital Gains Tax of any kind though and would disagree on that one for sure. With respect to getting tougher, I'm not sure that Obama has it in him. The World is perceiving him as a "Weak Sister."

[mostpost]

Yes, you have some very good ideas there Mostie.
I don't believe in Capital Gains Tax of any kind though and would disagree on that one for sure. With respect to getting tougher, I'm not sure that Obama has it in him. The World is perceiving him as a "Weak Sister."
Neither am I.

[LottaKash]

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp137/lottakash/cb091211dAPR20110912084515.jpg

This will fix everything.....for now...:D

[mostpost]

Screw the economists -go talk to the people buried by the regs.

25,000 pages of reg written in lawyerese - FOX hired the world's fastest speed reader to try to get through them and understand what he read.
10 hours a week for the PS report is not reasonable. This is pushing a green agenda, not helping the country.

Not sure if I understand this. Are you saying there are 25,000 pages of regulations regarding the disposal of pig manure? Are you saying it takes ten hours a week to fill out the"PS" report or that it takes ten hours to read the regulations? Frankly, I find either one hard to believe. How about providing a link?

[Tom]

Not all 25,000 are about PS.
10 hours a week to do the PS paperwork.

Fox News feature Sunday...might still be on the webpage.
Neil Cavuto Friday - ad the speed reader trying to get through the whole set of regs.

[hcap]

Not sure if I understand this. Are you saying there are 25,000 pages of regulations regarding the disposal of pig manure? Are you saying it takes ten hours a week to fill out the"PS" report or that it takes ten hours to read the regulations? Frankly, I find either one hard to believe. How about providing a link?
You know Tom's expertise is in a new internet discipline. The art of the "Extraneous Stream of Consciousness Post". However he does have a blanket letter he can provide if called on any of his spontaneous gems of wisdom....

"Please excuse my son Thomas for missing school yesterday. He had a very bad case of textbook-phobia and cerebral-suspensionitis"

Apparently there is no pain or discomfort, and the only effects of both these early childhood afflictions are the death of facts.

Tom, did the speed reader do the same when Georgie was in office? Still took about the same amount of time I bet. What you need to is to post a comparison graph between Bush's rules and Obama's rules. But even if you do, remember the recession started in December 2007. Under Georgie's rules.

BTW, a speed reader on Cavuto falls under the premise of your childhood please excuse Tom note. Short on facts and not proof of why jobs are lacking today

[mostpost]

Not all 25,000 are about PS.
10 hours a week to do the PS paperwork.

Fox News feature Sunday...might still be on the webpage.
Neil Cavuto Friday - ad the speed reader trying to get through the whole set of regs.
Thanks

[Tom]

mostie, pay no attention to that man posting between us. He will only lead you off a cliff into the abyss of ignorance.

First, the video from Cavuto....
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155912665001/worlds-fastest-reader-takes-on-government-regulations

Next, so back up info.....

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/03/red-tape-rising-regulation-in-the-obama-era

These costs are increasing. In fiscal year 2009, new regulations costing more than $13 billion per year were adopted by the Bush and Obama Administrations, the highest annual total since 1992. Much more is in the works. Anyone who uses electricity, drives a car, has a job, visits a doctor, owns stocks, or patronizes a bank will be affected by the additional regulation being advanced by the Obama Administration. The effects of such a regulatory tsunami would be significant in any economic climate. But in today's dreary environment, it could be disastrous--destroying jobs, threatening enterprises, and deterring new investment.


And, to prove I am both fair and balanced, here is a link to a feature on cBS on the same topic.....

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/01/20/cbs-highlights-negative-impact-federal-regulations-small-businesses

According to a Small Business Administration study last year, federal regulations cost companies with fewer than 20 workers an average of $10,585 per worker, compared to $7,755 an employee for large firms.

PAQUETI: I think there’s a lot of money sitting out there, and the reason people aren’t spending it is because they’re just unsure of what’s coming next.

[Tom]

Tom, did the speed reader do the same when Georgie was in office? Still took about the same amount of time I bet. What you need to is to post a comparison graph between Bush's rules and Obama's rules. But even if you do, remember the recession started in December 2007. Under Georgie's rules.

Pull your head out of your butt, brother.
It makes no difference where the regs came from, who added them, or when they got there. They are KILLING business and farmers and need to be addressed. Try looking at the problem for once in your life and forget about assigning blame. Assigning blame is not a part of the problem solving process.

[so.cal.fan]

President Obama?

why is the U.S. dollar and U.S. treasuries being bought up all over the globe.
Did you send Tim G. over to Europe to give the banks dollars? Because they are becoming scarce over there?
And how did the rumor get out that China was going to buy Italy's bonds?
They want to buy into their biggest and most successful companies.
Big difference.

[mostpost]

mostie, pay no attention to that man posting between us. He will only lead you off a cliff into the abyss of ignorance.

First, the video from Cavuto....
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155912665001/worlds-fastest-reader-takes-on-government-regulations

Next, so back up info.....

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/03/red-tape-rising-regulation-in-the-obama-era




And, to prove I am both fair and balanced, here is a link to a feature on cBS on the same topic.....

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/01/20/cbs-highlights-negative-impact-federal-regulations-small-businesses

The claim that one pig farmer spends ten hours a week on manure disposal is misleading. She spends ten hours on permit matters. Part of that is manure disposal, but we are given no information as to how big apart. Also, we need to know how big an operation she runs. If she has one hundred or so pigs on hand that is one thing. If she has 250,000 that is quite another.

We need regulations. We could not function as a country without them.
We do not need duplicate regulations nor several different agencies regulating the same thing.
For example, the FDA oversees frozen cheese pizzas, but not frozen pepperoni pizzas, which are under the Department of Agriculture. Another FDA rule tells you what percentage of cherry pies must be actual cherries. And there’s a Pentagon rule on the making of brownies that runs to 26 pages.

I don't understand what the Pentagon has to do with brownies unless that is a rule for Armed services cooks which has nothing to do with civilians. If so, how convenient that they neglect to mention that fact.

[hcap]

Pull your head out of your butt, brother.
It makes no difference where the regs came from, who added them, or when they got there. They are KILLING business and farmers and need to be addressed. Try looking at the problem for once in your life and forget about assigning blame. Assigning blame is not a part of the problem solving process.
The number of regulations had zero effect putting us in the hole. I seriously doubt that dropping regulations will have any effect on getting us out. What is needed is more of what Obama proposed today. Dropping republicans will do way more for creating jobs. Screw the rethugs if they don't like it.

And as far as the claim by "NewsBusters, they are full of it

http://mediamatters.org/research/201109140016

"Fox's Attack On Regulations Relies On Widely Discredited Cost Estimate
September 14, 2011 4:28 pm ET — 27 Comments

As part of a weeklong series helping to push an anti-regulatory agenda, Fox News is citing a discredited estimate that regulations cost businesses on average $161,000 each year. The estimate, which comes from a report prepared by outside researchers for the Small Business Administration, has been criticized for using a flawed research design, cherry-picking the highest cost estimates, and relying on "crude" data.



CRS: Critics Demonstrated That Researchers Cherry-Picked Data, Ignored Economic Benefits Of Regulations, And Used "Inherently Flawed" Methodology. The Congressional Research Service analyzed the Crain and Crain study and noted that critics -- including one of the authors whose index was used in the paper -- have pointed out that the study relied on outdated data, did not take into account the economic benefits of regulations, used invalid measures, utilized what OMB called an "inherently flawed" approach, and cherry-picked the highest cost estimates of regulations. Crain and Crain themselves made clear that their report was "not meant to be a decision-making tool for lawmakers or federal regulatory agencies." [Congressional Research Service, 4/6/11]

The report's estimate of "economic regulatory" costs--financial regulations, for example--which account for 70 percent of the total regulatory costs, is not based on actual cost estimates. Instead, this estimate is based on the results of public opinion polling concerning the business climate of countries that has been collected in a World Bank report. The authors of the World Bank report warn that its results should not be used for exactly the type of extrapolations made by Crain and Crain, because their underlying data are too crude. Crain and Crain nevertheless enter the World Bank data into a formula, which they appear to have created out of whole cloth, that purports to describe a relationship between a country's regulatory stringency and its Gross Domestic Product (GDP). OMB has repeatedly warned against trying to reduce the complex relationship between these two concepts to such simplistic terms, yet this is precisely what Crain and Crain do. [Center for Progressive Reform, February 2011]

CPR: Study Used "Flimsy" And "Crude" Data. The Center for Progressive Reform -- in an analysis cited by the Congressional Research Service -- criticized the study's lack of transparency and condemned Crain and Crain for using "crude" data:

[mostpost]

I found that 26 page Pentagon brownie recipe referenced above. Of course the characterization is inaccurate. It also includes oatmeal cookies in the 26 pages. No one person would have to comply with anymore than a small portion of the rules set forth in the document. The document includes rules for packaging and for selecting packaging which would be the responsibility of a paper products buyer and would include packaging for many products. It includes rules for the inspection and purchase of ingredients. This would be done be the Pentagon officer in charge of the procurement of foodstuffs,

The brownie baker does not need to know these things. He can assume that the ingredients he requisitions are safe and legal. The actual recipe is about one page.

There are also several pages of definitions. Nowhere does it state that the above regulations apply to Sara Lee or your mom.

http://liw.iki.fi/liw/misc/MIL-C-44072C.pdf

[so.cal.fan]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-chapman-obama-reelection,0,622512.column

[JustRalph]

I notice that the farther down the great savior falls in the polls

The longer Hcaps post get

What can you say to Obama? He is in an abyss. They are talking primary challenge.......

The congressional black caucus is admitting they were fooled and are holding back because the savior is black.

Blacks are unemployed at record levels. Poverty at an all time high in the modern era.

Businesses holding on to record profits in an attempt to wait this charlatan out.

Wholesale fear of what may be proposed next by the geek squad that makes up the Presidential cabinet is stifling growth.

Obama hurting blacks and poor people more than any government official in the history of the world

Foreign policy that is indecipherable.

Lies upon lies repeated over and over (Gitmo and Iraq)

25 billion dollars awarded in green energy money to companies falling off the map monthly. Yet they all have some kind of link to Obama and his campaign?

What do you say to a failure of such magnificent proportions ?

[mostpost]

The number of regulations had zero effect putting us in the hole. I seriously doubt that dropping regulations will have any effect on getting us out. What is needed is more of what Obama proposed today. Dropping republicans will do way more for creating jobs. Screw the rethugs if they don't like it.

And as far as the claim by "NewsBusters, they are full of it

http://mediamatters.org/research/201109140016

"Fox's Attack On Regulations Relies On Widely Discredited Cost Estimate
September 14, 2011 4:28 pm ET — 27 Comments

As part of a weeklong series helping to push an anti-regulatory agenda, Fox News is citing a discredited estimate that regulations cost businesses on average $161,000 each year. The estimate, which comes from a report prepared by outside researchers for the Small Business Administration, has been criticized for using a flawed research design, cherry-picking the highest cost estimates, and relying on "crude" data.



CRS: Critics Demonstrated That Researchers Cherry-Picked Data, Ignored Economic Benefits Of Regulations, And Used "Inherently Flawed" Methodology. The Congressional Research Service analyzed the Crain and Crain study and noted that critics -- including one of the authors whose index was used in the paper -- have pointed out that the study relied on outdated data, did not take into account the economic benefits of regulations, used invalid measures, utilized what OMB called an "inherently flawed" approach, and cherry-picked the highest cost estimates of regulations. Crain and Crain themselves made clear that their report was "not meant to be a decision-making tool for lawmakers or federal regulatory agencies." [Congressional Research Service, 4/6/11]

The report's estimate of "economic regulatory" costs--financial regulations, for example--which account for 70 percent of the total regulatory costs, is not based on actual cost estimates. Instead, this estimate is based on the results of public opinion polling concerning the business climate of countries that has been collected in a World Bank report. The authors of the World Bank report warn that its results should not be used for exactly the type of extrapolations made by Crain and Crain, because their underlying data are too crude. Crain and Crain nevertheless enter the World Bank data into a formula, which they appear to have created out of whole cloth, that purports to describe a relationship between a country's regulatory stringency and its Gross Domestic Product (GDP). OMB has repeatedly warned against trying to reduce the complex relationship between these two concepts to such simplistic terms, yet this is precisely what Crain and Crain do. [Center for Progressive Reform, February 2011]

CPR: Study Used "Flimsy" And "Crude" Data. The Center for Progressive Reform -- in an analysis cited by the Congressional Research Service -- criticized the study's lack of transparency and condemned Crain and Crain for using "crude" data:

So you're saying that Fox News used an already discredited study, which itself used flawed research methods and misinterpreted data, to come to a preconceived conclusion. I am shocked. I need to lie down. :eek: :eek:

[hcap]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-chapman-obama-reelection,0,622512.column

I don't think a columnist from a newspaper is going to convince Obama.

[so.cal.fan]

Just Ralph writes:
"Obama hurting blacks and poor people more than any government official in the history of the world"


I recall the day back in 2009 (Jan) when Barack Obama was being inagurated in Wash. DC.
I had a dentist appointment.....while I was waiting in the office the radio was on playing the inaguration live.
I was very depressed that day, because I was not a supporter of Obama. I knew he was a fake.
When I went in to see the dentist, he asked me "did you see the inaguration"?
I just said "no", I wasn't smiling. He replied "well, don't you think his election will cure all the racial problems in the country".
I replied, "do you really think so?"
He ended the conversation.
I knew Obama would be bad news for the country, but he is/was far worse than I ever thought he was!
It's just sad that so many people believed in this man. I feel it really hurt a lot of honest people. I have friends that are just heartsick, because they really bought into his spin. I fear many people won't vote in elections anymore, because they were so disappointed.
One liberal lady I know was very sad to hear Obama's Memorial Day speech.
She said it was so obviously insincere and fake. She finally knew he wasn't what she thought he was.
I'm sure there are many others like my friend.

[ArlJim78]

Just Ralph writes:
"Obama hurting blacks and poor people more than any government official in the history of the world"


I recall the day back in 2009 (Jan) when Barack Obama was being inagurated in Wash. DC.
I had a dentist appointment.....while I was waiting in the office the radio was on playing the inaguration live.
I was very depressed that day, because I was not a supporter of Obama. I knew he was a fake.
When I went in to see the dentist, he asked me "did you see the inaguration"?
I just said "no", I wasn't smiling. He replied "well, don't you think his election will cure all the racial problems in the country".
I replied, "do you really think so?"
He ended the conversation.
I knew Obama would be bad news for the country, but he is/was far worse than I ever thought he was!
It's just sad that so many people believed in this man. I feel it really hurt a lot of honest people. I have friends that are just heartsick, because they really bought into his spin. I fear many people won't vote in elections anymore, because they were so disappointed.
One liberal lady I know was very sad to hear Obama's Memorial Day speech.
She said it was so obviously insincere and fake. She finally knew he wasn't what she thought he was.
I'm sure there are many others like my friend.
We can only hope that this is true.
If they fell for the media fueled Obama mythology I think its a good thing if they don't vote anymore.

[hcap]

So you're saying that Fox News used an already discredited study, which itself used flawed research methods and misinterpreted data, to come to a preconceived conclusion. I am shocked. I need to lie down. :eek: :eek:
I am shocked also, (in my best Claude Rains Casablanca voice ), just shocked that Tom re-posts these crummy studies.

And the speed reader bit got me going. I actually thought for a fleeting instant, the speed reader on the Neil Cavuto show proved conclusively all of Keynesian economics dead wrong. But then I thought a bit. About the ramifications and questions

1-Obama must have added a gazillion rules and regulations
2-Fox Speed readers should automatically be awarded a doctorate in economics. You never know when you may be short on qualified economists.

And the most intriguing them of all....

3-Can Fox speed readers double as Faux Noos lip readers? So we can find out once and for all what the first lady really said about the flag?

[so.cal.fan]

That's the saddest thing, ArlJim.
That they don't know any better. People are so uninformed, naive, it's very scary.
I'm convinced that only about 10% of the voters are very informed and committed leftists. Another 55% are misinformed, naive, misguided and have fallen for the falsehood of the far left message.
That leaves only 45% of the voters who are either informed or intuit the truth.
This is what elected Obama.
It will be different this time, because Independents like me and several of my friends will be informed this time.
I value the opinions on this board. Right and Left.
Most are very well written, well thought out and informed.
If every voter read Pace Advantage, they would make informed decisions when entering the ballot box.
I'm pretty sure all of you do vote.
I've always concluded that handicappers are some of the smartest people around.

[hcap]

I recall the day back in 2009 (Jan) when Barack Obama was being inagurated in Wash. DC.
I had a dentist appointment.....while I was waiting in the office the radio was on playing the inaguration live.
I was very depressed that day, because I was not a supporter of Obama. I knew he was a fake. Ok, we have gone from rules and regulations by the Obama administration ruining the country, to a dental appointment anecdote on Obama's fake-ness.

And I am not shocked. Par for the course

[HUSKER55]

Guys, let us consider the working man on the end of the stick (shovel).

For those of you who favor big government, let us assume that half work for governement and half foot the bill. I doubt that any politician makes less than $100k per year and on another post $2M is allowed for general office expenses.

No employer, in his right mind, is going to hire anyone that does generate twice his salary and benefits to the company.

Now if the average worker is making $50k a year and he has to support at least one person in an office then that then he has to contribute, at bare minimum, about $300,000 per year in revenue. ($50k for himself, $100k for his employer to break even, $100k for one worker in government and then there are other other expenses.)

That is why we need a way smaller government. The smaller the better.

keyensian economics or not.

[NJ Stinks]

It's just sad that so many people believed in this man. I feel it really hurt a lot of honest people. I have friends that are just heartsick, because they really bought into his spin. I fear many people won't vote in elections anymore, because they were so disappointed.
One liberal lady I know was very sad to hear Obama's Memorial Day speech.
She said it was so obviously insincere and fake. She finally knew he wasn't what she thought he was.
I'm sure there are many others like my friend.

Even from 3,000 miles away the horse manure above stinks to high heaven. :ThmbDown:

[JustRalph]

Even from 3,000 miles away the horse manure above stinks to high heaven. :ThmbDown:

Be nice Tax man. She is reporting a personal observation. You criticizing her is not warranted. How can you question her personal observation of her friends?

SoCal gets to have her own opine. I know that anybody who looks down on your hero is fair game to you, but this time you are out of line.

[PaceAdvantage]

Even from 3,000 miles away the horse manure above stinks to high heaven. :ThmbDown:Don't worry...all will become fresh as a daisy come January 2013...

[Boris]

Even from 3,000 miles away the horse manure above stinks to high heaven. :ThmbDown:
Yeah. Completely impossible.

Obama Approval Rating Memorial Day - 50%
Obama Approval Rating This Week - 40%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149225/Obama-Weekly-Average-Approval-Holds-Term-Low.aspx?utm_source=tagrss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

Any other scuds you wanna launch?

[boxcar]

Yeah. Completely impossible.

Obama Approval Rating Memorial Day - 50%
Obama Approval Rating This Week - 40%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149225/Obama-Weekly-Average-Approval-Holds-Term-Low.aspx?utm_source=tagrss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

Any other scuds you wanna launch?

Actually, in the latest NY Slimes poll, it's down to 39%. I wonder if BO is feelin' that love he so craves, yet? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Actually, in the latest NY Slimes poll, it's down to 39%. I wonder if BO is feelin' that love he so craves, yet? :rolleyes:

BoxcarHe must be approaching GWB territory, no? And in his first (and hopefully last) term no less...quite an achievement.

Well, that's something else he can add to "Killed bin Laden" on his sparse "Achievement List."

[newtothegame]

Don't worry...all will become fresh as a daisy come January 2013...

Mike, it seems like a stretch...but what if....

Is It Possible Obama Might Step Aside in 2012?


Posted on September 19, 2011 at 10:15pm
Many analysts on both sides of the aisle asked a question today that would have seemed beyond the pale six months ago: Is it possible Obama might not run for reelection?http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Obama5.jpg (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-it-possible-obama-might-step-aside-in-2012/obama-72/)

The Washington Times reports (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/19/liberals-vow-challenge-obama-democratic-primaries/) that a collection of liberal politicians and interest groups will offer primary challenges to Barack Obama next year.

This proposed progressive coalition will by led by Ralph Nader to challenge Obama for having sold out to to the ‘corporatist right’– and, according to the coalition, just generally doing an abysmal job. Recent Gallup polling shows Obama’s popularity among liberals has plummeted to an all-time-low (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-obamas-approval-all-time-low-among-liberals).

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-it-possible-obama-might-step-aside-in-2012/

Personally, this would be a bad thing in my opinion. Obama is DEFINITELY beatable. All we need is another left loon and it could re-energize the left base. Of course all that would be predicated on the "who" would challenge....
But, I would much rather be going against Obama next year. If someone like Hillary got into the race as a challenger....who knows what could happen!

[ElKabong]

President Obama?

why is the U.S. dollar and U.S. treasuries being bought up all over the globe.
Did you send Tim G. over to Europe to give the banks dollars? Because they are becoming scarce over there?
And how did the rumor get out that China was going to buy Italy's bonds?
They want to buy into their biggest and most successful companies.
Big difference.

questions....When will you roll out QE3? We all know it's coming, the economy is stalled worse than your handpicked experts ever could have imagined. And what will you and Timmy and Benny and the crew name QE3? The nomenclature has a stench to it so we're all sure you'll give it a new name.

(I'm going to listen to Mike's podcast in a moment, I'm thinking some of your above questions were thought thru on the show?)

[mostpost]

Be nice Tax man. She is reporting a personal observation. You criticizing her is not warranted. How can you question her personal observation of her friends?

SoCal gets to have her own opine. I know that anybody who looks down on your hero is fair game to you, but this time you are out of line.

NJ did nothing to insult socalfan. He was critical of her opinion. Does that displease you? Too bad,

I agree with NJ. The opinion stinks. I have serious doubts of the truthfulness of the events socalfan describes. If she had told us that her (alleged) liberal friend was unhappy with Obama because he has yet to get us out of Afghanistan or because he has compromised too much with Republicans or because he did support single payer, I would think that is plausible.

But when she tries to convince us that the woman is disillusioned with Obama because his Memorial Day speech was "insincere and fake" something indeed smells to high heaven. The only people who would hear that speech and think those thoughts are people who subscribe to the "Obama hates America" theory.

I think SoCalFan is one of those people who calls Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann, announces herself as a lifelong Democrat and Obama voter, then proceeds to intone all the rightie talking points verbatim.

[boxcar]

He must be approaching GWB territory, no? And in his first (and hopefully last) term no less...quite an achievement.

Well, that's something else he can add to "Killed bin Laden" on his sparse "Achievement List."

And I don't think playing the Class Envy card is helping him very much either. To drop this soon after his big-to-do-about-nothing speech to the Joint Session is not a very good sign at all. At this point, a snowball has better chance surviving eternity in hell fire than his Job Acts bill has passing congress -- although I don't really believe he thought it would ever pass, especially after the bitter defeat the Dems suffered in District 9. He talked about his non-existent bill to set the Republican House up for a fall, so that he could portray them as champions for the rich. Strictly a political strategy. But it's a strategy that is very risky because hurting voters are getting very impatient and with each passing day, he's going to perceived as a want-to-do-nothing president, who really doesn't care about Main Steet's pain. (Of course, he doesn't. Everything is always about him.)

Boxcar

[hcap]

I think SoCalFan is one of those people who calls Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann, announces herself as a lifelong Democrat and Obama voter, then proceeds to intone all the rightie talking points verbatim.Good description.

[hcap]

I just heard 100 republicans mouth this mindlessly.......

And I don't think playing the Class Envy card is helping him very much either.



Our Constitution was designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other…Free government rests upon public and private morality. -- John Adams, 1789

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
― John Adams

[boxcar]

NJ did nothing to insult socalfan. He was critical of her opinion. Does that displease you? Too bad,

I agree with NJ. The opinion stinks. I have serious doubts of the truthfulness of the events socalfan describes. If she had told us that her (alleged) liberal friend was unhappy with Obama because he has yet to get us out of Afghanistan or because he has compromised too much with Republicans or because he did support single payer, I would think that is plausible.

But when she tries to convince us that the woman is disillusioned with Obama because his Memorial Day speech was "insincere and fake" something indeed smells to high heaven. The only people who would hear that speech and think those thoughts are people who subscribe to the "Obama hates America" theory.

I think SoCalFan is one of those people who calls Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann, announces herself as a lifelong Democrat and Obama voter, then proceeds to intone all the rightie talking points verbatim.

Obama must hate America. Otherwise, why would he want to fundamentally transform the face of America? He must have a huge axe to grind. To say something like this is more than radical.

And who are you to question anyone's veracity here? You of all people -- the proverbial apologist for all that is evil? And the only grounds for your disparaging remarks toward SCF is because YOU cannot understand how anyone could think like her friends? For a liberal or progressive or whatever you fancy yourself to be these days, you come off as being exceedingly narrow-minded! There were plenty of people who voted for BO last election who were not hard-core leftists, and now have buyer's remorse. Get over yourself, already. Not everyone thinks like you radical leftists do. And for this fact, I'm eternally grateful to God who holds the hearts of man like channels of water in his hand, which he can turn whichever way he wishes.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

There are many, many reasons to not like Obama -- to be genuinely dissatisfied with him, while simultaneously not being a racist. :rolleyes: Got to quote George Will's little segment that he did on the This Week Show. It speaks pointedly to what an empty suit, Obama has proven himself to be.

He went to Massachusetts to campaign against Scott Brown; Brown is now a senator. He went to New Jersey to campaign against Chris Christie, who’s now governor. He went to Virginia to campaign against Bob McDonnell, who’s now governor. He campaigned for the health-care plan extensively, it became less popular. He campaigned in 2010 for the Democrats, they were shellacked. He began, in a sense, his presidency flying to Copenhagen to get Chicago the Olympics; Chicago was the first city eliminated. There is no evidence that the man has the rhetorical powers that he is relying on. — Columnist George F. Will, speaking on ABC’s This Week.

In other words, Obama's high opinion of himself finds no justification by the results he has obtained. He was toxic back then, and he'll be doubly so this upcoming election! I Hope that he will campaign for every Dem up for reelection because I just KNOW America will get the Change she so desperately needs!

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/277550/quote-day-george-will-obama-robert-costa#

Boxcar

[ElKabong]

NJ did nothing to insult socalfan. He was critical of her opinion. Does that displease you? Too bad,

.... I have serious doubts of the truthfulness of the events socalfan describes. If she had told us that her (alleged) liberal friend was unhappy with Obama because he has yet to get us out of Afghanistan or because he has compromised too much with Republicans or because he did support single payer, I would think that is plausible.

I think SoCalFan is one of those people who calls Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann, announces herself as a lifelong Democrat and Obama voter, then proceeds to intone all the rightie talking points verbatim.

This is one of the reasons I think you're a smelly sack of poo & nothing more. You post as if you're an authority. Not the truth, you're simply a blowhard that posts whatever soothes your little ego or worthless points.

I talk to SCF 2-3 times a week, have done so for ten years. Others here do the same.

I know of the person she spoke of. In fact, there are a few people close to her and John that have expressed their feelings about Obama in that manner. Extreme disappointment. (read this paragraph again. Memorize it. Get over your weakness of thinking you know what goes on in others lives. You don't)

SCF is still a liberal on most issues. She and I don't agree on most issues political, but she's always respectful of others opinions. She has a LOT of people's respect here b/c she's earned it. How many people here have you met? Or converse on a regular basis? I'm guess none or very few.

[bigmack]

I think SoCalFan is one of those people who calls Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann, announces herself as a lifelong Democrat and Obama voter, then proceeds to intone all the rightie talking points verbatim.
Are you back to smoking crack again?

Would you like to see innumerable stories about libs (and I mean libs) that are royally pissed-off at what Rachel Maddow refers to as "The Boy-King"?

You'll love him forever & ever. That we know, and it's touching, but others didn't take as big of a hit as you did, Bogart. :cool:

Grown man living a life in suburban Chicago, HIGH on Obama.

Far out.

[mostpost]

Guys, let us consider the working man on the end of the stick (shovel).

For those of you who favor big government, let us assume that half work for governement and half foot the bill.
Why should we assume that? According to the 2010 census data, government workers of all kinds (Federal, State and local) (part time and full time) totaled 21.6 million. 156 million plus workers paid into social security. Subtract the 21.6 million with government jobs and you end up with 135M private sector workers. That is six and one half private sector workers to every government employee-not one to one.

I doubt that any politician makes less than $100k per year and on another post $2M is allowed for general office expenses.
A government worker is not a politician and a politician is not a government worker. It is meaningless to compare a congressmen's salary and the cost to operate his office with the pay of a clerk in the DMV.

No employer, in his right mind, is going to hire anyone that does NOT generate twice his salary and benefits to the company.
I added a not to the above because it does not make sense otherwise.
Was I correct?


Now if the average worker is making $50k a year and he has to support at least one person in an office then that then he has to contribute, at bare minimum, about $300,000 per year in revenue. ($50k for himself, $100k for his employer to break even, $100k for one worker in government and then there are other other expenses.)
The paragraph above is wrong. If you own an automobile company, each worker contributes something to the value of each car, but each worker does not, cannot contribute double his salary. Furthermore there are people who perform necessary tasks who do not contribute value directly. A business owner hires the people who are necessary to the operation of his business. He hires people from necessity. It is then up to him to balance the cost of the salaries with the price he charges for the product.

Then you say this:
he has to contribute, at bare minimum, about $300,000 per year in revenue. ($50k for himself, $100k for his employer to break even, $100k for one worker in government and then there are other other expenses.)
Total and utter nonsense. $50K for himself is logical; a person should pay his way. $100K for the employer is ridiculous because the employer broke even when the employee performed $50K worth of work. Even more ludicrous (if that is possible) is that the worker must now add $100K in value to offset a fictitious government worker. Ludicrous for several reasons.
One: The average government worker does not make $100,000 a year. It's more like $40,000 a year.
Two: There isn't one private sector worker for every government worker; there are 6.5.
Three: It isn't just the boss who pays for the cost of government it is the workers also.
Four: Contrary to the belief of many here, government workers do contribute to society. Mailmen provide communications; Policemen protect the citizenry; firemen put out fires; teachers provide our children with an education; workers at the DMV provide licenses to qualified drivers and weed out unqualified applicants.

That is why we need a way smaller government. The smaller the better.

keyensian economics or not.

Your argument has more holes then a ton of Swiss cheese.

[mostpost]

SCF is still a liberal on most issues.

No she's not. I went back through over 125 of her previous posts and nowhere is there anything that would indicate that she is in any way a liberal. There are plenty of posts in which she bleats the conservative party line. Plenty of posts in which she insults the President of the United States. To quote from a popular Chicago sports talk show, "Who you Crappin'?

[ElKabong]

No she's not. I went back through over 125 of her previous posts and nowhere is there anything that would indicate that she is in any way a liberal. There are plenty of posts in which she bleats the conservative party line. Plenty of posts in which she insults the President of the United States. To quote from a popular Chicago sports talk show, "Who you Crappin'?

Still showing ignorance of her beliefs.

Insulting the POTUS? So did environmentalists on Hardball. So did several media leftys. What's your point other than feeding your wrong impressions?

She's very liberal on social issues. Lot of things conservatives preach, she's not onboard with and never will be. She voted for Gore in 2000. If you were on the old board here you'd know that.

You should do yourself a favor and tell yourself "lot of people on this board know SCF, know the people (by name) she speaks of being disappointed and even disgusted with the POTUS. In addition, she's allowed her opinion and never insulted me, the magical mystical USPS letter sorter. Maybe I really don't knowitall when it comes to SCF's political beliefs and should just be smart and stop showing my ignorance on this particular subject anymore".

[PaceAdvantage]

The balls on some of these left-leaners on here...thinking they KNOW people just from the few words they bother to read on some posts.

Their entire deck of cards is crumbling magnificently around them, so I will simply have to chalk up this attempted character assassination of SCF as a fit of temporary insanity.

It's only bound to get worse as harsh reality sets in and they are no longer able to deny the obvious.

You have to feel sorry for guys like mostpost. After all, he bought into that whole "100 years of Democrat power" after the big wins in 2006 and 2008.

What a difference a few years can make...when will people finally learn that the answer can never be found on the left?

[lsbets]

Didn't one of the original 4 horsemen attack socal a few years ago when she said she was disappointed with the Democrats after they took power? Why her? Is she so threatening to them? Unreal.

I've never met Diane in person, but I've talked to her on the phone. She was very supportive of me when I was in Iraq and after I got home. When I first started my coffee roasting business, she was an early supporter and advocate. All around a great person.

[Lefty]

My advice to Obama:
Turn in your Commie card and embrace Capitalism.

Quit listening to guys like Warren Buffet on taxes because that hippocrite is currently owing a billion in taxes he refuses to pay.

Listen to Steve Forbes and propose a flat tax.

Stop lying and telling us that the wealthy don't pay their fair share when
the charts from the IRS show that the wealthy pay the bulk of taxes.

[NJ Stinks]

Didn't one of the original 4 horsemen attack socal a few years ago when she said she was disappointed with the Democrats after they took power? Why her? Is she so threatening to them? Unreal.

I've never met Diane in person, but I've talked to her on the phone. She was very supportive of me when I was in Iraq and after I got home. When I first started my coffee roasting business, she was an early supporter and advocate. All around a great person.

Diane sounds like a really nice person. Does that mean her posts are sacred ground? Did I miss the memo?

What Diane posted still doesn't pass the smell test when it comes to my idea of fellow liberals. Doesn't mean she doesn't believe what she posted or that she is a horrible person.

At any rate, one of these days I'd like to read something - anything really - that would indicate Diane is a liberal.

P.S. Somehow I think so.cal.fan really likes UCLA. (Just kidding for crying out loud! ;) )

[Tom]

I notice that the farther down the great savior falls in the polls

The longer Hcaps post get



Yes, he and mosite are really very entertaining for those who enjoy watching ignorance on parade. Post length instead of substance. :lol: Baghdad Bob and Bill!

[Tom]

I think SoCalFan is one of those people who calls Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann, announces herself as a lifelong Democrat and Obama voter, then proceeds to intone all the rightie talking points verbatim.

SCF has something you will never have nor ever understand, dude - CLASS.

Aside from your rampant ignorance of the world around you, you now strive to be the lowest form of life on this board? Congrats,
bob, you have just reached a new low here. Say hello to your little friends...the roaches in the basement. But do not try to argue with them - they have something else you will never have - brains. :ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

[Tom]

Here's the deal, I think. Obama has a new strategy - come out swinging and attack anyone who dares disagree with him. Sounds like the resident Obmambots got their marching orders to do the same. Good litmus test of what the DNC sends out to the zombie brigade is hcap and mosite - the
mindless wonders who puke thier pablum here.

Can Sec be far behind?

[Sugar Ron]

Here's the deal, I think. Obama has a new strategy - come out swinging and attack anyone who dares disagree with him. Sounds like the resident Obmambots got their marching orders to do the same. Good litmus test of what the DNC sends out to the zombie brigade is hcap and mosite - the
mindless wonders who puke thier pablum here.

Can Sec be far behind?

Uh, no, Tim ... it's not "come out swinging and attack anyone". It's come out swinging and attack the detestable do-nothing-but-defend-billionaires-and-big-corporations cons.

And it's about time BO started doing it.

Let Mitch The Gobbler, Teary Eyes Boehner, Eddie Munster, and the Dummy from Texas go out and try to defend their (indefensible) position on tax relief for the super rich ... er, "job creators" (LMAO).

I think BO is holding the nuts on this hand...

[Tom]

I think his nuts are in his head.

[boxcar]

Uh, no, Tim ... it's not "come out swinging and attack anyone". It's come out swinging and attack the detestable do-nothing-but-defend-billionaires-and-big-corporations cons.

And it's about time BO started doing it.

Let Mitch The Gobbler, Teary Eyes Boehner, Eddie Munster, and the Dummy from Texas go out and try to defend their (indefensible) position on tax relief for the super rich ... er, "job creators" (LMAO).

I think BO is holding the nuts on this hand...

So, who creates most of the jobs in this country, if not the well heeled? Poor people? The middle class?

And how soon have you forgotten that it was only back this past November that the man-child in the WH pushed to extend the Bush tax cuts "for the rich" to everyone. Now, he's suddenly singing a different tune? Care to explain that?

Boxcar

[mostpost]

Here is a post from the "liberal" so.cal.fan.
03-21-2009, 05:17 PM #4
so.cal.fan
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Sierra Madre, California
Posts: 3,723
vCash: 400
One Big Astounding Mistake America
THE PIED PIPER

There was a Pied Piper who said, “We live in the greatest country in the world. Help me change it!”
*And the people said, “Change is good!”

Then he said, “We are going to tax the rich fat-cats,”...
*And the people said “Sock it to them!”
Against having the rich fat cats pay their share. (Not a liberal position)

“and redistribute their wealth.”
*And the people said, “Show me the money!”
Does bot understand that the money was already redistributed from the bottom to the top.

And then he said, “Redistribution of wealth is good for everybody”
*And Joe the plumber said, are you kidding me?”

And Joe’s personal records were hacked and publicized.
*And one lone reporter asked, “Isn’t that Marxist policy?”

And she was banished from the kingdom!

Then someone asked, “With no foreign relations experience, how will you deal with radical terrorists?”
And the Pied Piper said, “Simple. I’ll sit down and talk with them and show them how nice we really are and they’ll forget that they ever wanted to kill us all!”
“And the people said “Will it really work?”
Prefers war against people who did not attack us. (Not a liberal policy)

Then the Pied Piper said, “I’ll give 95% of you lower taxes.”
*And one, lone voice said, “But 40% of us don’t pay ANY taxes.”

So the Pied Piper said, “Then I’ll give you some of the taxes the fat-cats pay!”
*And the people said, “Show me the money!”
Ignores the fact that those people pay payroll taxes and sales taxes and gasoline taxes. Also ignores the fact that some people are not paying taxes because they are making no money. (All things that a liberal would know and understand.

Then the Pied Piper said, “I’ll tax your Capital Gains when you sell your homes!”
*And the people yawned and the slumping housing market collapsed.
That is not why the housing market collapsed and every liberal knows it.
And he said, “I’ll mandate employer- funded health care for EVERY worker and raise the minimum wage.”
*And the people said, “Gim’me some of that!”
Health care paid for by employers and employees. SCF repeats another conservative lie.

Then he said, “I’ll penalize employers who ship jobs overseas.”
*And the people said, “Where’s my rebate check?”

Then the Pied Piper actually said, “I’ll bankrupt the coal industry and electricity rates will skyrocket!”
*And the people said, “Coal is dirty, coal is evil, no more coal! But we don’t care for that part about higher electric rates.”

So the Pied Piper said, “Not to worry. If your rebate isn’t enough to cover your expenses, we’ll bail you out. Just sign up with ACORN and your troubles are over!”

Then he said, “Illegal immigrants feel scorned and slighted. Let’s grant them amnesty, Social Security, free education, free lunches, free medical care, bi-lingual signs and guaranteed housing.”
*And the people said, “Ole`! Bravo!” And they made him King!

And so it came to pass that employers, facing spiraling costs and ever-higher taxes, raised their prices and laid off workers. Others simply gave up and went out of business and the economy slowed even further.
Then the Pied Piper said, “I am the Messiah and I’m here to save you! We’ll just print more money so everyone will have enough!” But our foreign trading partners said, “Wait a minute. Your dollar isn’t worth what it was. You’ll have to pay more.”
*And the people said, “Wait a minute. That’s not fair!”

And the world said, “Neither are these other, idiotic programs you’ve embraced. You’ve become a Socialist Nation and a second-rate power. Now you’ll play by our rules!”
*And the people said, “What have we done?”

But it was too late.

If you think this is a fairy tale, open your eyes and ears. It’s happening RIGHT NOW! “

Did you know the president’s name is really an acronym?

One Big Astounding Mistake, America

03-21-2009, 05:23 PM


I started to refute every point in the above post by SCF, but I got bored. suffice to say that here in one single post is proof of SCF's extreme conservatism. The misrepresentation of liberal programs, the disdain for an elected president. the blind support of failed conservative dogma. A liberal? Surely you jest. A liberal on Social issues? SCF is opposed to Obamacare, a denier of global warming, calls the stimulus disgusting, believes that Barack Obama hates America, and finds Keith Olbermann offensive. Oh, she also thinks terrorists should not be tried in civil courts.

You could not build a more perfect conservative if Eric Kantor and Paul Ryan gave you the blueprints. So stop insulting my intelligence and stop thinking I will ever believe SCF is a liberal.

[mostpost]

Even from 3,000 miles away the horse manure above stinks to high heaven. :ThmbDown:
NJ Stinks posted the above at 9:01PM Sept. 19 2011 almost 20 hours ago.
In all that time we have not heard a word on this thread from so.cal.fan. We've heard a lot from men who have self appointed themselves as her defender. Even though it was only her ideas and claims that were attacked.

Why hasn't SCF herself responded and explained to us what a good liberal she is.
Of course that would be rather hard considering the overwhelming evidence in the opposite direction.
And, yes PA, I do think I can get a good read on how a person thinks just by reading what they post here. Or did I miss the memo and we are all supposed to post the opposite of what we think?

[PaceAdvantage]

You're so entrenched in your political dogma that you can't even comprehend someone being liberal on certain issues and conservative on others.

You have become patently offensive for someone who is supposed to have a brain around here.

How dare you of all people point out that SCF was disrespecting a sitting president, given what spewed forth from the fingertips of all your liberal brethren here during the Bush years.

I have to stop typing now, lest I tell you to go do something not so very nice to yourself.

[so.cal.fan]

wow, didn't know you liberals are so concerned with my political views.
Thanks to El K. and the rest of my pals here for the kind words on my behalf.

Okay, Mostpost and hcap.
So. Cal. Fan is a born again CONSERVATIVE. I voted Democratic in the 1990's and in 2000. I became a Conservative after 9/11 and reading this board. I realized I had been misled.
I have not voted Democratic since.
I voted for George W. Bush in 2004 and McCain and Palin in 2008.
I will not vote for the Democratic Party.
El Kabong, John and I are all registered Independents.
I am currently leaning towards Ron Paul, but I like Gov. Christy and I like Paul Ryan.

So, that should end this conversation about my politics.

All I asked this board was what would you say to President Obama if you had the chance to have a conversation or a beer with him.
Most of your answers are interesting.
Thanks to everyone who posted.

[trying2win]

So. Cal. Fan would respectfully "suggest"

1. Repeal Obamacare

2. Trash Kenysian economics

3. Do away with all the wasteful "agencies" and "czars".

4. Do away with the Federal Reserve

5. Save America and let the rest of the world fend for themselves.

6. Start all manufacturing in this country.

7. Use our massive natural resources.



So Cal Fan:

Some great ideas :ThmbUp: This is coming from a Canadian's perspective.

In reference to item #3, just the other day I watched part of a CNN special on getting America back to work, and I was shocked to see who President Obama chose as his "Jobs Czar"...Jeffrey Immelt, CEO Of General Electric of all people! Unreal. Is that really the best choice, given GE's record on outsourcing of American jobs to China etc?

The interviewer asked Jeffrey Immelt about the criticism of GE for his 'outsourcing' philosophy. He defended that policy in a roundabout way, using some excuse that some of 'his customers are in China and blah, blah, blah'. In other words, in my opinion, instead of giving 'GOOD SOUND REASONS', he gave 'REASONS THAT SOUND GOOD'. Jeffrey Immelt even rambled on that he doesn't have a name plate on his door, because he is more concerned about investors in GE. Or something like that, if I remember correctly. Can anyone list any other GE electrical products outsourced to China etc. besides light bulbs? Such as toasters or other appliances, computer accessories and so forth. I love it when former highly esteemed Canadian or American companies take a beating in the court of public opinion, because of their 'outsourcing' tactics. How come the politicians are not condemning these practices? Is it because some of these companies make hefty donations to their election campaigns and they don't want to offend them? or ??

T2W

[ArlJim78]

In my opinion politicians are already too involved with business. We need less political cronyism, less regulation, lower taxes, not more meddling.

[Tom]

mostpost = least class.

Really the bottom of the barrel here.
You have sunk beneath Chuckles the Clown.

My new advise to Obama - :kiss: my arse.

How's that for disrespecting a sitting president?
The prez is not worthy an ounce of respect. And he gets none from me.
Or his bitch of a wife.

[hcap]

mostpost = least class.

Really the bottom of the barrel here.
You have sunk beneath Chuckles the Clown.

My new advise to Obama - :kiss: my arse.

How's that for disrespecting a sitting president?
The prez is not worthy an ounce of respect. And he gets none from me.
Or his bitch of a wife.
SCF herself has verified our contention. She is not a liberal. I remember years ago she had some favorable things to say about Thomas Friedman and one of his books. I think it was The World Is Flat:

Not exactly a liberals favorite stuffed shirt. Friedman became renowned for the "Freidman unit" A constantly wrong measurement of time measuring consistently wrong pro Iraqi War predictions of victory.

[NJ Stinks]

:rolleyes: wow, didn't know you liberals are so concerned with my political views.
Thanks to El K. and the rest of my pals here for the kind words on my behalf.

Okay, Mostpost and hcap.
So. Cal. Fan is a born again CONSERVATIVE. I voted Democratic in the 1990's and in 2000. I became a Conservative after 9/11 and reading this board. I realized I had been misled.
I have not voted Democratic since.
I voted for George W. Bush in 2004 and McCain and Palin in 2008.
I will not vote for the Democratic Party.
El Kabong, John and I are all registered Independents.
I am currently leaning towards Ron Paul, but I like Gov. Christy and I like Paul Ryan.

So, that should end this conversation about my politics.

All I asked this board was what would you say to President Obama if you had the chance to have a conversation or a beer with him.
Most of your answers are interesting.
Thanks to everyone who posted.

"after ...reading this board", you realized you had been mislead? Hilarious.

Meanwhile, ironically enough, Mostpost is being trashed for what exactly? Telling the truth? Being anything but misleading? :confused:

Anyway, the truth about your politics was not a secret before you started this thread, so.cal.fan. As far as I'm concerned, you were just looking for another way to trash liberals/Democrats with that story about your disillusioned friends.

As for what advice I would give Obama, I'd tell him to watch out for born again conservatives.

P.S. I hope the tone of this post passes muster with your legion of friends here in Off Topic.

[PaceAdvantage]

:rolleyes:

"after ...reading this board", you realized you had been mislead? Hilarious.

Meanwhile, ironically enough, Mostpost is being trashed for what exactly? Telling the truth? Being anything but misleading? :confused:

Anyway, the truth about your politics was not a secret before you started this thread, so.cal.fan. As far as I'm concerned, you were just looking for another way to trash liberals/Democrats with that story about your disillusioned friends.

As for what advice I would give Obama, I'd tell him to watch out for born again conservatives.

P.S. I hope the tone of this post passes muster with your legion of friends here in Off Topic.So what you're saying is, you believe SCF is making that story up about her disillusioned friends? Just so we're clear....

[NJ Stinks]

:rolleyes: So what you're saying is, you believe SCF is making that story up about her disillusioned friends? Just so we're clear....

I never assume anyone here is lying. And in this paticular instance, I certainly think that SCF believes what she posted to be true.

It's a simple thing really. Post #94 is where I got involved here. I think what SCF posted and I quoted in Post #94 is horse manure. Real liberals aren't feeling sorry for themselves. That doesn't mean that SCF doesn't think we are. It simply means I disagree/don't believe it to be true.

What I think is the real problem is with SCF's post is that liberals here in Off Topic find it impossible to believe that SCF's friends, who apparently have finally seen the light :rolleyes: , are or were real live liberals to begin with.

Is that clear enough?

[lsbets]

So what you're saying is, you believe SCF is making that story up about her disillusioned friends? Just so we're clear....

Yep. They've been calling her a liar and then they think its outrageous that people who know her defend her.

Edit - just saw NJs response. Hilarious. To paraphrase "no, I'm not calling her a liar, I just don't think she's telling the truth"

You guys are so twisted its unreal.

[NJ Stinks]

Yep. They've been calling her a liar and then they think its outrageous that people who know her defend her.

Edit - just saw NJs response. Hilarious. To paraphrase "no, I'm not calling her a liar, I just don't think she's telling the truth"

You guys are so twisted its unreal.

Isbets, I read a lot of stuff here that I think is horse manure. Does that mean I think the poster is lying because he or she believes something I don't?

If you want to believe I think SCF was lying, I can't stop you from doing so. And I won't lose any sleep tonight either.

[Mike at A+]

Advice? Stop speaking while the market is open!

[Tom]

More advice - stop talking when your mouth is open! :lol:

[ArlJim78]

don't wave when they're taking a formal picture at a gathering of world leaders.
what a moron.

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MSNBC-550x405.jpg

[boxcar]

Again, even that photo betrays his deep-seated narcissism. The wave was meant to attract attention to himself. He viewed the photo-op as being all about himself. He was the center of attraction -- the star. The others around him were merely stage props.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Again, even that photo betrays his deep-seated narcissism. The wave was meant to attract attention to himself. He viewed the photo-op as being all about himself. He was the center of attraction -- the star. The others around him were merely stage props.

Dr. Sigmund boxcar. I guess I misunderstood your specialty. All along I thought it was spinning convoluted bullticky, little did I know it was really rarely used photographic deep psychoanalysis. Dd you get any help from one of the Faux Noos speed readers or lip readers?

[boxcar]

Dr. Sigmund boxcar. I guess I misunderstood your specialty. All along I thought it was spinning convoluted bullticky, little did I know it was really rarely used photographic deep psychoanalysis. Dd you get any help from one of the Faux Noos speed readers or lip readers?

It's all elementary, Watson. Anyone with an IQ above his shoe size knows that Obama is Narcissism's poster boy. And anyone who is a subject in a group photo should know to keep his hands out of other subjects' faces. But then...I never accused BO of being the smartest man-child in the room either.

Boxcar
P.S. Have you taken to heart your "if-you-love-me" boy's plea for support? Have you contacted your congress critters?

[hcap]

Ok Doc, what would you say about thess baffling cases?

Faking patriotism?

http://www.tensionnot.com/images/images/slideshow/Weird_Pics419.jpg



This should be obvious to any serious student of the human psyche. Acute Oedipus complex beyond a doubt


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/ellroon/BushShoulderRub.jpg




Or this even stranger glimpse into the man's soul. Undoubtedly a severe manifestation of reckless behavior



http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/bush-766903.jpg







But this by far is the strangest case ever to challenge a serious student of the hidden recesses of the subconscious. I believe it has stumped many students of the respected art and medical practice of Deep Photographic Psychoanalytic Diagnoses...........




http://whitenoiseinsanity.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mccaintongueout-reuters-photo.jpg

[gm10]

Re-read Dreams Of My Father. You're veering right, and it's going to cost you the race.

[Tom]

don't wave when they're taking a formal picture at a gathering of world leaders.
what a moron.

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MSNBC-550x405.jpg

Correct-o-mundo!

[fast4522]

A very easy one.

[boxcar]

Re-read Dreams Of My Father. You're veering right, and it's going to cost you the race.

The proper name of the book is "Dreams From My Father". And his daddy veered sharply to the left, for your info.

Boxcar

[so.cal.fan]

Fast?
What do you mean on you closing line....Send no Greenbacks to Canada?
I ask, because I've heard rumors that something is going on in Canada.
Why has their dollar dropped to the same level as our dollar, when it was higher months ago?
I'm just curious. Haven't read much at all.
Someone knows something, do you?
Thanks

[fast4522]

The honest answer is that I am not following Canadian monetary fluctuation. Way way back before Obama care, the filth being pushed was how Canada does it, I worked in Massachusetts my whole adult life next to liberals in complete disbelief when the pendulum would swing the other way like it will do next election cycle. Greenbacks are something you have control of, anything made in Canada I reject.

[Tom]

Speaking of ridiculous government regulations.......

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/14/local/la-me-bed-sheets-20110814

"Californians will be outraged when they learn that instead of focusing on the many real problems facing this state, lawmakers want to regulate bed sheets," said Lynn Mohrfeld, head of the California Hotel & Lodging Assn.

[ArlJim78]

just when you think you've heard it all.
way to keep your eye on the ball California.