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highnote
09-10-2011, 10:38 PM
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Gov. Christie Is Shocked, Shocked at Internet Gambling Bill

Governor Chris Christie wants to be President of the United States.
You can tell, because he is constantly traveling all over the U.S., holding press conferences to say that he does not want to run.
That’s how it is done in the U.S.
But Christie’s problem is that he is a Republican, which today means the only way he can be nominated is to win over the extreme conservatives of the "Tea Party."
Conservatives say their first priority is small government.
But Christie is smart enough to know that voters who will pick the next GOP presidential nominee have higher priorities. While there are some fiscal conservatives, most Republicans are still social conservatives. The right is still the religious right, even if that means big government, such as intruding on decisions about abortion, gay marriage, etc.
At least one-third of social conservatives oppose all gambling, although they accept it if it has been approved by local voters.
And Christie is from a "blue" state, and will already be pictured by his Republican opponents as the governor of Atlantic City.
So, when faced with a bill to allow casinos to have intra-state Internet gambling, does he sign it into law, and help balance his state’s budget, or veto it, to prevent being known as the Internet gambling governor?
I thought he would let online gaming become law without his signature, and then blame it on the Democratically controlled State Legislature.
But, after thinking about it for two months, he was shocked to find the bill violated the State Constitution.
The reasons Governor Chris Christie gave for vetoing the intrastate Internet gaming bill were not completely frivolous, although they weren't his real motivations.
He said that the bill violated the State Constitution, because it would permit casino gambling to take place outside of Atlantic City. There is a legal basis for this. When the voters approved amending the Constitution to bring in casinos, they expressly limited them to Atlantic City.
But what about the Legislature’s prior approval of betting on horse races from homes and offices? State Senator Ray Lesniak's Internet gaming bill had simply adopted the same language used with Advance Deposit Wagering on races: Once a patron sets up an account, all wagers are deemed to take place at the racetrack, or, in this case, at the casino.
But, the Constitution does not expressly limit betting on races to tracks, the way it restricts casino gambling to Atlantic City. In fact, it gives the Legislature the right to do just about anything it wants with wagering on live or simulcast horse races.
Christie was also not completely off-base in saying that there was nothing in the proposed bill that "would prohibit commercial establishments outside of Atlantic City, such as nightclubs, cafés and bars from offering Internet gambling." True, but all Internet gaming had to be tied to an existing Atlantic City casino. And what casino would have allowed a competitor to be set up within the physically small geographic area of New Jersey?
No, the real reason Christie vetoed the bill, and the reason it took him so long to discover these legal problems, is that he was weighing what to do politically. He wants to run for President, although he is probably smart enough not to try and take on Obama in 2012, especially with such a short track record as Governor.
But, by saying the bill violated the Constitution, Christie forces proponents to put the issue on the ballot next November.
After it passes, the state will get all the money that Internet gambling will bring in, and Christie won’t have to pay a political price. Even though he is governor, New Jersey becoming the first state to introduce casino gambling into the home will not have been his fault.
He can blame the voters.
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ElKabong
09-10-2011, 11:44 PM
Tea Party = "extreme conservatives"? Yeah, asking for fiscal responsibility is considered extreme conservative values....

I'm good with Christie as the nominee, and I consider myself a Tea Party member. I could care less about gay rights or abortion laws. The author needs to keep his blatantly wrong opinions to himself. It deflects any valid points he might make

highnote
09-11-2011, 12:12 AM
Tea Party = "extreme conservatives"? Yeah, asking for fiscal responsibility is considered extreme conservative values....

I'm good with Christie as the nominee, and I consider myself a Tea Party member. I could care less about gay rights or abortion laws. The author needs to keep his blatantly wrong opinions to himself. It deflects any valid points he might make


That's not the way I interpreted his remarks. He wrote that in order to win the presidency he needs 'to win over the extreme conservatives of the "Tea Party." '

He did not say that all Tea Party members are extreme conservatives. He said he needs to win over those who are.

I am sure that some Tea Party members are centrists or even liberal on social issues. He doesn't have to worry about winning those members over.

Also, the whole piece was an opinion piece. Whether his points are valid or not is up to the reader to decide. He is simply speculating on Christie's motives. The author says Christie is running for Pres. Christie says he is not.

So is the author stating a fact or opinion about Christie running?

ElKabong
09-11-2011, 03:18 AM
John,

I was replying to the following... "But Christie’s problem is that he is a Republican, which today means the only way he can be nominated is to win over the extreme conservatives of the "Tea Party."

This is false to the point of turning people away from his article, on the spot. Boxcar is an extreme conservative. I'm not. Christie or anyone else doesn't need the "extreme conservatives" vote to be nominated. (ref Boehner's shut up and get your ass in line comment.). He needs the moderate conservatives votes, just as Perry or Mitt does. Without them, they won't get nominated. (not to mention the general election)

I'm not knocking the piece, just his poor statement. I did read it. But when I read the paragraph above it was the equivalent of starting out with "black Americans are lazy, slothful, poor workers, thus none are worthy to hire". If I saw an incorrect and poorly slanted paragraph like that, I don't get thrilled about the rest of an authors thoughts.

I don't know if Christie is running or not but he needs to fish or cut bait, and FAST. Mitt or Perry is about to gather momentum. The populace is of the opinion now that this is a 2-person race....JMHO

highnote
09-11-2011, 03:30 AM
John,

I was replying to the following... "But Christie’s problem is that he is a Republican, which today means the only way he can be nominated is to win over the extreme conservatives of the "Tea Party."

This is false to the point of turning people away from his article, on the spot. Boxcar is an extreme conservative. I'm not. Christie or anyone else doesn't need the "extreme conservatives" vote to be nominated. (ref Boehner's shut up and get your ass in line comment.). He needs the moderate conservatives votes, just as Perry or Mitt does. Without them, they won't get nominated. (not to mention the general election)



I thought he was implying something like this:

Extreme conservatives are going to vote in a block. If one extreme conservative is voting for Christie, for example, then all extreme conservatives are probably voting for Christie.

The moderate republicans might split their vote evenly between Christie, Romney and Perry. So whoever wins over the extreme conservatives will win the vote.

Maybe this won't be the way the vote actually happens, but this is what he "thinks" will happen.

I think he could have been clearer on what he meant to say.

That said, Obama is vulnerable, but I'm not sure any of the republican candidates are generating a lot of excitement. So I'd still have to put my money on Obama to win, but I doubt I would get the price I want. It's a risky bet.

ArlJim78
09-11-2011, 03:43 AM
one small point: Christie is not running for president.

highnote
09-11-2011, 03:52 AM
one small point: Christie is not running for president.

THat's the point of the article:

Governor Chris Christie wants to be President of the United States.
You can tell, because he is constantly traveling all over the U.S., holding press conferences to say that he does not want to run.
That’s how it is done in the U.S.

bigmack
09-11-2011, 04:01 AM
I finally figured out who C2 resembles. This guy from The Godfather.

What's his name?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhhjisnv1x1qe0eclo1_r10_500.gif

ArlJim78
09-11-2011, 04:08 AM
THat's the point of the article:
I dont know how you come to that conclusion. Its a little late in the evening, but what is posted here seems pretty clear. his thinking is all worng but it's clear that he thinks CC is doing what he is doing to curry favor with social conservatives so that they will support him for pres.

PaceAdvantage
09-11-2011, 05:36 AM
I finally figured out who C2 resembles. This guy from The Godfather.

What's his name?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhhjisnv1x1qe0eclo1_r10_500.gifLuca Brasi (played by Lenny Montana)

bigmack
09-11-2011, 05:46 AM
Luca Brasi (played by Lenny Montana)
Danke schoen. I see Leonardo Passofaro (Lenny Montana) passed in '92.

Prior to acting he was a professional wrestler. Under the name Zebra Kid.

I'd like to have been a wrestler if only for the hoot of pickin' out a name for meself.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/LennyMontana.png/250px-LennyMontana.png

Tom
09-11-2011, 09:33 AM
I'd like to have been a wrestler if only for the hoot of pickin' out a name for meself.

Big Mack isn't good enough?

You finishing move, the Value Meal, would come after you super-sized yourself. As you give your opponent an elbow to the head, you would ask if he wanted fries with that. And then you apply the burger flip.

Robert Goren
09-11-2011, 09:49 AM
This has got to be one the slickest topic switches in the history of PA. I am envious. :lol:

highnote
09-11-2011, 11:36 AM
I dont know how you come to that conclusion. Its a little late in the evening, but what is posted here seems pretty clear. his thinking is all worng but it's clear that he thinks CC is doing what he is doing to curry favor with social conservatives so that they will support him for pres.


The author "think" Christie is running. It's an opinion piece. It's up to the reader to decide if it is true or not. I have no idea. I think the republicans will put up a strong candidate in 2016 if one doesn't beat Obama in 2012.