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Mike at A+

09-08-2011, 09:27 PM

I heard a lot about jobs for construction workers and teachers (union jobs) and not much for the rest of us. I heard a one year extension of unemployment benefits but nothing for people who have exhausted all four tiers. I heard "pass this bill" about a dozen times but nothing about how it will be paid for. I heard about Warren Buffet yet again. I saw Jeffrey Imelt (the guy who pays no taxes) sitting with Moochelle (the one who spends like a drunken sailor). I heard nothing about expanded domestic drilling which is the single most important factor that will jump start the economy without having to raise taxes on anyone. I heard nothing about "civility" after Hoffa's inciting rhetoric and union thugs vandalizing and kidnapping in Washington State. I heard what was basically another predictable campaign speech.

Tom

09-08-2011, 09:32 PM

Snap, Crackle, and......

ArlJim78

09-08-2011, 09:39 PM

I didn't listen to it, did he actually say "pass this bill you sons of bitches"

Greyfox

09-08-2011, 09:43 PM

$447 Billion all paid for. It was in the speech. Pay attention. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

1. He never said $447 Billion in the speech. That figure was leaked by the White House earlier.
2. He said all paid for. He didn't say how it would be paid for.
Pay attention. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Tom

09-08-2011, 10:03 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63043.html

Caution, wait at least two hours after eating before reading this.

mostpost

09-08-2011, 10:54 PM

I heard a lot about jobs for construction workers and teachers (union jobs) and not much for the rest of us.
You have a job, or I should say a business. I seem to remember you telling me what a great business you have and how people were beating down your door. This program is for people who don't have anything. I'm on retirement income and I don't think this is about me. They don't have to lower my taxes.

I heard a one year extension of unemployment benefits but nothing for people who have exhausted all four tiers. I heard "pass this bill" about a dozen times but nothing about how it will be paid for.
There was plenty about how it will be paid for. Additional cuts by the deficit commission. Savings from Medicare and Medicaid. And elimination of tax breaks and loopholes on corporations. Of course none of this will happen if the
Republicans don't cooperate-and they won't.

I heard about Warren Buffet yet again. I saw Jeffrey Imelt (the guy who pays no taxes) sitting with Moochelle (the one who spends like a drunken sailor). I heard nothing about expanded domestic drilling which is the single most important factor that will jump start the economy without having to raise taxes on anyone.
You keep jabbering about expanding domestic drilling but you never explain how this will help the economy. A 2004 Energy Department report said opening ANWR to drilling would add 876,000 barrels a day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/ns/us_news-environment/t/study-anwr-oil-would-have-little-impact/

That would have meant we would still import two thirds of our oil. Without that we would import 70%; a difference of 3.3%. Further, producing our own oil would not necessarily reduce our costs since OPEC could cut production and keep prices high. I doubt that the few extra jobs created would have much of an impact. In any case, domestic production of oil is now at an eight year high.
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/14/136312770/week-in-news-domestic-oil-drilling
Here is a story about what would really happen if we opened up more domestic drilling.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/25/news/economy/oil_drilling_gas_prices/index.htm
Opening up currently closed ocean drilling would add 500,000 barrels a day. Not now, by 2030. By then oil consumption will increase by 11,000,000 barrels a day. So our increased production will only cover 5% of the increase in production.

I heard nothing about "civility" after Hoffa's inciting rhetoric and union thugs vandalizing and kidnapping in Washington State. I heard what was basically another predictable campaign speech.
The guy who wants to shoot people on his lawn is complaining about incivility. And the worst part is that I am sure he does not perceive the irony.

ArlJim78

09-08-2011, 11:07 PM

a pass this bill video montage (http://www.nationaljournal.com/obama-pass-this-jobs-bill-or-else-20110908):lol:

Tom

09-08-2011, 11:38 PM

Pass this jobs bill right away,
do dah, do dah,

Save my ass on 'lection day
all da do da day!
:D

BlueShoe

09-08-2011, 11:39 PM

Missed it, deliberately. The next and only speech he makes that will get my attention is the one he makes in January of 2013, his farewell address as he leaves office.

Tom

09-08-2011, 11:57 PM

Obama speech now out in paperback......

trying2win

09-09-2011, 12:30 AM

Perhaps, should President Obama of the USA have suggested these things for example in his speech on Thursday evening?:

1. Create a hall of shame for U.S. companies 'outsourcing' American jobs to third world countries. Next, hike the taxes on these shameful companies, not giving them tax breaks. On TV shows like American Pickers, they talk about some great, long-lasting products once manufactured in the United States. Have you noticed the decline in the quality of cheap labor, manufactured goods shipped back to the USA? I've noticed it quite noticeably in Canada for many years now. Yes the cost maybe be cheap for many products, but the quality generally is not that good in my experience, and don't last as long as American or Canadian manufactured goods in the past.

2. Shutting down all casinos in the USA, except Las Vegas and Atlantic City. More people would then spend money on useful products and businesses. It's time for gullible, naive stupid politicians to quit believing the baloney that building more casinos create jobs and prosperity for cities and states. Nonsense, I say! They only create prosperity for casino owners. And it probably costs state governments twice or three times in crime costs, broken family costs, welfare costs on addicted casino gamblers compared to the revenue it brings their state coffers. In my opinion, casinos are a blight on the landscape in the USA...and Canada for that matter. I take great joy when I read about some of the casinos going broke. Wise people don't spend money on casino games. They know better than to bet on negative- expectation casino games.

3. Cutting out unnecessary U.S. Federal government jobs and perks. Why do you need so many representatives in Congress? Traditionitis? There are words called 'amendment', 'reform', 'courage' to make cuts in those numbers. Why do U.S. Federal Government politicians feel that 'spokesmen' in every department are necessary?..or better still, why have spokesmen in any department?...let goverment department managers be the spokesmen...in other words add that responsibility to the big, high salaries they are making already. But, the first cuts should come on politicians pay and perks!

4. Boot out illegal immigrants. They cost taxpayers a small fortune. The Canadian government is trying to do just that right now. Offering a financial incentive for illegal immigrants to leave the country. Yes...questionable tactics to some...but at least it would save taxpayers a bundle in the long run from paying all those extra government benefit costs in the future. Same plan for the USA. That would leave more jobs for legal American citizens, if illegal immigrants were asked to leave the country I would think.

T2W

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elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 12:35 AM

Well before we hammer the guy we should all at least wait and see whats in the bill. I'm extremely doubtful but who knows.

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 12:38 AM

Well before we hammer the guy we should all at least wait and see whats in the bill. I'm extremely doubtful but who knows.

Didnt we have to do this "wait" to see what's in the bill previously?? How did that turn out?

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 12:43 AM

Didnt we have to do this "wait" to see what's in the bill previously?? How did that turn out?

LOL! Well played!

At least this time the people will get to see it since the Dems can't just ram it through. :)

Who knows... it may actually make sense... though I doubt it.

Tom

09-09-2011, 12:44 AM

It will make no sense.
Never been a surer thing.

Sugar Ron

09-09-2011, 12:47 AM

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 12:49 AM

LOL! Well played!

At least this time the people will get to see it since the Dems can't just ram it through. :)

Who knows... it may actually make sense... though I doubt it.

It may, then again it may not. Obama's problem is that he has already had so much B.S with him (that we have already heard for the last three years), it's hard to even want to listen anymore.
And it's not just people on this board who feel this way. Members of congress even passed on attending...that should say enough right there.
Now that's not to say NOT attending was right or wrong.....
Just saying that even members of congress are tired of the same ole same ole'...
Kind of hard to believe anything he says at this point till he starts showing that he CAN get it done. Promises mean nothing when they are empty!

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 12:50 AM

Another terrific speech by BO

Did exactly what he needed to do ... take off the gloves and get into a street fight with the con losers ... and tell them he's takin' the plan straight to the people...
yep, straight to the people...who are sure to relate the Immelt was proudly sitting there and what was GE's tax bill again??
Yeah, right to the "people".....:lol:

LottaKash

09-09-2011, 12:57 AM

HUSKER55

09-09-2011, 06:57 AM

if BO was really serious he would get rid of all of his czars. and quit flying around in airforce one like it was a taxi cab.

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 09:13 AM

You have a job, or I should say a business. I seem to remember you telling me what a great business you have and how people were beating down your door. This program is for people who don't have anything. I'm on retirement income and I don't think this is about me. They don't have to lower my taxes.

It isn't about me either. It's about TALENTED PEOPLE who are currently unemployed, not the LAZY DREGS who want to live off government from cradle to grave (Obama's BASE).

There was plenty about how it will be paid for. Additional cuts by the deficit commission. Savings from Medicare and Medicaid. And elimination of tax breaks and loopholes on corporations. Of course none of this will happen if the Republicans don't cooperate-and they won't.

And if it's believed that Obama's method of paying for another stimulus will CAUSE MORE JOB LOSSES, his "plan" should be voted down by both Republicans and Democrats. (See definition of "insanity").

You keep jabbering about expanding domestic drilling but you never explain how this will help the economy. A 2004 Energy Department report said opening ANWR to drilling would add 876,000 barrels a day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853...-little-impact/

That would have meant we would still import two thirds of our oil. Without that we would import 70%; a difference of 3.3%. Further, producing our own oil would not necessarily reduce our costs since OPEC could cut production and keep prices high. I doubt that the few extra jobs created would have much of an impact. In any case, domestic production of oil is now at an eight year high. http://www.npr.org/2011/05/14/13631...ic-oil-drilling
Here is a story about what would really happen if we opened up more domestic drilling. http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/25/new...rices/index.htm
Opening up currently closed ocean drilling would add 500,000 barrels a day. Not now, by 2030. By then oil consumption will increase by 11,000,000 barrels a day. So our increased production will only cover 5% of the increase in production.

I have described my plan for drilling more than once here. We give oil companies THE OPTION of drilling here with THE STIPULATION that it must be refined here and sold here at REDUCED PRICES to AMERICAN DRIVERS ONLY. If oil companies don't like those terms, they don't participate. But I'd bet that the brass at these companies would see this opportunity as GREAT PUBLIC RELATIONS and would JUMP AT THE OPPORTUNITY to be seen in a good light by ALL AMERICANS. As for OPEC, we tell them up front that if they do anything in opposition to this plan, we will treat it as an act of war that will be met with action ranging from boycotts to blockades to bombing of their operations.

The guy who wants to shoot people on his lawn is complaining about incivility. And the worst part is that I am sure he does not perceive the irony.

You deliberately alter my words in the above statement. I said that IF the people "on my lawn" were there to intimidate any member of my family (especially a 12 year old child scared out of his wits) and/or I felt that they were possibly threatened with physical harm, I would have NO SECOND THOUGHTS about pulling out the street sweeper and turning them into lawn fertilizer.

Learn to read and comprehend!

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 09:25 AM

Stocks Tumble Worldwide After Obama Speech (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-09/stocks-tumble-worldwide-after-obama-speech.html)

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 09:48 AM

This is an in progress poll taken in my local newspaper. I live in an area infested with liberals who overwhelmingly voted for Obama.

andtheyreoff

09-09-2011, 10:37 AM

I honestly cannot believe anyone would ct like such a complete and total moron as that POS did tonight!

He is by FAR stupider than even I ever thought he was! :lol::lol::lol:

My frigging Rice Krispies have a better plan that than his - they told me so!

Snap, Crackle, and POOP!
Guess who POOP is?

:lol::lol::lol:

Did you write this post before the speech, or after?

And can you tell us why you thought it was stupid?

Tom

09-09-2011, 11:01 AM

Did you write this post before the speech, or after?

And can you tell us why you thought it was stupid?

After. And, here's why...tip o' the hat to ArlJim for the link.....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/obama-pass-this-jobs-bill-or-else-20110908

Sounds like a used car salesman!
Crazy Barry, his prices are in-saaaaane!

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 11:28 AM

:confused: Um, here's why what? Did you actually read that article? It actually gives a favorable, "daring" impression of the speech:

It was a reelection campaign speech that may go a long way toward convincing dubious voters that Obama "gets it"—that he understands how tough life is for middle-class and unemployed Americans.

His package, a $447 billion mix of tax cuts and spending, is not as big or bold as his liberal allies wanted. It's not even quite what Obama's own economic advisers believe is necessary to put more than a modest dent in the 9 percent unemployment rate.

But it's something; it would help the unemployed. And it's big and bold as a political statement: Obama is daring Republicans to fight a package that is loaded with tangible benefits for specific constituencies, that includes measures once backed by the GOP and that would have a do-nothing Washington doing something, anything, about jobs.

Go ahead, he dared Republicans, make me be the reasonable one.

Tom

09-09-2011, 11:39 AM

:confused: Um, here's why what? Did you actually read that article? It actually gives a favorable, "daring" impression of the speech: I only watched the video, That was enough. I don't care what other people think about it - I have my own evaluation of it. The video summarized the stupidity of it.

It was a reelection campaign speech that may go a long way toward convincing dubious voters that Obama "gets it"—that he understands how tough life is for middle-class and unemployed Americans. Yes, many morons will have been swayed. But to use a joint session of congress for political gain is unacceptable. Obama does not get it at all. He is supposed to be a leader, not a side show act.

His package, a $447 billion mix of tax cuts and spending, is not as big or bold as his liberal allies wanted. It's not even quite what Obama's own economic advisers believe is necessary to put more than a modest dent in the 9 percent unemployment rate.

But it's something; it would help the unemployed. And it's big and bold as a political statement: Obama is daring Republicans to fight a package that is loaded with tangible benefits for specific constituencies, that includes measures once backed by the GOP and that would have a do-nothing Washington doing something, anything, about jobs.

Go ahead, he dared Republicans, make me be the reasonable one.This is a leader talking? This is how he get compromise? Sorry, I'll pass on this insignificant little weasel of a man and his limited scope of thought. There was nothing new at all i that speech 0 just blaming others, alienation, demonizing, and the tired old liberal agenda of power through spending. You want to see business start hiring, - get rid of Obama care and all the uncertainty it brings and open up drilling, fracking, whatever, for our own energy here at home - that will create millions of jobs - real jobs, not "green crap."

It was a bad speech and it is a bad plan. From a bad president.

mostpost

09-09-2011, 11:45 AM

As for OPEC, we tell them up front that if they do anything in opposition to this plan, we will treat it as an act of war that will be met with action ranging from boycotts to blockades to bombing of their operations.

Thank God our leaders are more rational than you. Here is something that might help you.

http://www.angerclassonline.com/Pennsylvania-Anger-Management.aspx

Robert Goren

09-09-2011, 11:46 AM

Most of the tax break stuff in some form or another will pass. The rest is dead. If the republicans were smart they pass it all and if it didn't work, then they could hammer him with it. If they don't pass it he wiill hammer them with it. I think they are scared to death that it would work and they would be left out in the cold. I really can't see any other reason for not passing it.

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 11:50 AM

Based on the White House Fact Sheet:

American Jobs Act (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/08/fact-sheet-american-jobs-act)

This really isn't a bad piece of legislation. :eek:

Republicans should now take the lead on appropriate deficit reduction via House paper and the Committee of 12 and then pass this thing.

Thats the way transactional politics used to work in our two party system... :rolleyes:

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 12:51 PM

Thank God our leaders are more rational than you. Here is something that might help you.

http://www.angerclassonline.com/Pennsylvania-Anger-Management.aspx
BLAH BLAH BLAH. A REAL LEADER would tell OPEC how it's gonna be if they don't get their act together. We're still the big dog on the block despite what you hear in the media.

boxcar

09-09-2011, 01:28 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63043.html

Caution, wait at least two hours after eating before reading this.

An excerpt from the link Tom posted:

The people of this country work hard to meet their responsibilities. The question tonight is whether we’ll meet ours. The question is whether, in the face of an ongoing national crisis, we can stop the political circus and actually do something to help the economy. (Applause.) The question is — the question is whether we can restore some of the fairness and security that has defined this nation since our beginning.

What!? Did he really say "an ongoing national crisis"? What happened to the "summer of recovery"? :bang: What happened to all the MM's reporting about economic recovery? If we have been in recovery mode now for all these many months, how can we also be in "an ongoing crisis" simultaneously? What happened to the Recovery Act?

Cute. So, now we've transitioned out of "recovery mode" into "crisis mode" overnight. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

boxcar

09-09-2011, 01:30 PM

This is an in progress poll taken in my local newspaper. I live in an area infested with liberals who overwhelmingly voted for Obama.

I do, too, unfortunately. Doesn't infestation call for an exterminator solution? Can't we just "take them out"? :D

Boxcar

CryingForTheHorses

09-09-2011, 01:33 PM

It was a bad speech and it is a bad plan. From a bad president.

In all honesty Tom..Lets face it..You just dont like OBAMA because he is BLACK...This man has a good plan!!!! Tell me why its a bad plan..Tell us what you would do as you seem to know it all.

skate

09-09-2011, 01:33 PM

he did a nice job while keeping the drain open

boxcar

09-09-2011, 01:36 PM

It was a bad speech and it is a bad plan. From a bad president.

And you forgot one: a really bad NON-EXISTENT job's bill. This "job's bill" is conspicuously M.I.A. Has anyone seen it?

Boxcar

Tom

09-09-2011, 03:35 PM

In all honesty Tom..Lets face it..You just dont like OBAMA because he is BLACK...This man has a good plan!!!! Tell me why its a bad plan..Tell us what you would do as you seem to know it all.

You know Tom, I USED to think you were a decent guy, but with all due respect, GFY.

You are obviously far more ignorant that I ever thought.
I have already posted better things to do - go have someone read them for your, since you don't seem to comprehend too much.

Tom

09-09-2011, 03:38 PM

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 03:54 PM

This administration was completely wrong last time they wasted trillions of dollars - you want to spend another haft tril on next year's excuses?

You know this is what kills me right here.

This plan is essentially an additional $450 BILLION in more Tax Breaks and you have a problem with that because Obama is proposing it. Its not about whose side is right or wrong its about trying to fix the problem. You post on here all the time about where your tax dollars are going. That we shouldn't have more taxes. Blah Blah Blah.

You should like this proposal but because of the man who announced it you hate it.

There are problems with it sure but they can be readily addressed before it is passed.

Greyfox

09-09-2011, 03:59 PM

In all honesty Tom..Lets face it..You just dont like OBAMA because he is BLACK...This man has a good plan!!!! Tell me why its a bad plan..Tell us what you would do as you seem to know it all.

That is a terribly unfair criticism of Tom without grounds for justification.
Whether or not the plan has merit, will be in the "eating of the pudding."
The plan has positive points that should have been implimented 3 years ago.
They weren't.
Now it is simply a band aid solution that could stop the bleeding, for awhile.
But businesses plan for long term solutions. Employers who buy into the plan have no requirement to carry the newly employed any great distance.
Like Obama's other plans it has holes. This boat may or may not float.
Unfortunately, at this point, the Republicans cannot afford to dismiss this request with haste and will have to buy into parts of his package.

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 04:01 PM

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 04:09 PM

That is a terribly unfair criticism of Tom without grounds for justification.
Whether or not the plan has merit, will be in the "eating of the pudding."
The plan has positive points that should have been implimented 3 years ago.
They weren't.
Now it is simply a band aid solution that could stop the bleeding, for awhile.
But businesses plan for long term solutions. Employers who buy into the plan have no requirement to carry the newly employed any great distance.
Like Obama's other plans it has holes. This boat may or may not float.
Unfortunately, at this point, the Republicans cannot afford to dismiss this request with haste and will have to buy into parts of his package.

Agreed.

Tom

09-09-2011, 04:09 PM

You know this is what kills me right here.

What's that, that you shoot off your big mouth thinking you know what you are talking about when you don't. I can see why ignorance would kill you.

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 04:17 PM

Yeah, elysiantraveller, you's crazy.. it has nothing to do with the scumbag, dirtbag, a-hole, piece of shit, traitor Obama; it's the plan, man! Da plan! :lol:

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 04:20 PM

What's that, that you shoot off your big mouth thinking you know what you are talking about when you don't. I can see why ignorance would kill you.

I point out you are being hypocritical and you personally attack me.

Explain yourself.

For a person with 48,000 posts you do very little of it.

Tom

09-09-2011, 04:24 PM

Explain myself?

Go buy a dictionary if you don't understand the words.
Or wait for Dan to explain it to you. He has a such a god grass of things.

mostpost

09-09-2011, 04:25 PM

And you forgot one: a really bad NON-EXISTENT job's bill. This "job's bill" is conspicuously M.I.A. Has anyone seen it?

Boxcar

The bill will be presented to Congress when it is written up in that legal-lawyer talk. The regular people talk details are all over the interwebs.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 04:29 PM

In all honesty Tom..Lets face it..You just dont like OBAMA because he is BLACK...
Oh look. Another Canadian jerk-off.

mostpost

09-09-2011, 04:31 PM

Explain myself?

Go buy a dictionary if you don't understand the words.
Or wait for Dan to explain it to you. He has a such a god grass of things.

You should get in touch with Mike at A+. Maybe you can get a group discount on the Anger Management classes.

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 04:31 PM

In all honesty Tom..Lets face it..You just dont like OBAMA because he is BLACK...This man has a good plan!!!! Tell me why its a bad plan..Tell us what you would do as you seem to know it all.
First of all, let's get something straight. It's not HIS plan. He isn't capable of putting that together. It was crafted FOR him by those who are knowledgable of his ideology, condensed for him to read and regurgitated in front of a live TV audience during prime time. He reads well when there are no unfamiliar words like "corpsmen" in the text. In all fairness, the plan DOES include tax incentives for businesses to hire but there is FAR TOO MUCH emphasis on infrastructure and construction workers and teachers, ALL UNION JOBS. There is NOTHING about drilling which is the only way we buy ourselves some time to get out of this mess while alternative energy sources are researched and developed. We have a LONG WAY TO GO before that happens. I said we needed tax incentives close to two years ago and he's finally coming around to that idea. Hopefully it doesn't take another two years to realize that we need to DRASTICALLY INCREASE DOMESTIC ENERGY EXPLORATION. He needs to abolish the capital gains tax and repatriate American corporate funds overseas. You don't do these things by threatening millionaires and billionaires or babbling about corporate jet owners and hedge fund managers. And I don't care if he's white, black, blue or green. It's his job killing POLICIES that I can't stand. It's the CLASS WARFARE. It's the goddamn RACE CARD and all the other nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with getting this economy back on track. If he wants to accomplish anything, someone has to sit him down and explain it to him because it's obvious he's in over his head.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 04:33 PM

a group discount on the Anger Management classes.
It's already booked up with all your delightful chums from Wisconsin.

Tell us again about Issa being a scumbag. (That's angry, right?)

Tom

09-09-2011, 04:37 PM

You should get in touch with Mike at A+. Maybe you can get a group discount on the Anger Management classes.

Ah mostie, still no clue what is going on I see.
Consistency is always appreciated, thanks for being clueless.

ArlJim78

09-09-2011, 04:42 PM

this "plan" is like all of the previous ones. it's expensive, all of it's elements have not produced the desired results when they've been tried before, it assumes that a few tweaks by Washington can "jump start" the economy, it actually provides disincentives to work, it will reward selected cronies (unions and Solyndra type ventures), and it doesn't address the real problems.

like all other government stimulus programs it's a pipe dream, and doing nothing would be a far better choice. we must learn to resist this notion that all problems can be fixed in Washington.

boxcar

09-09-2011, 04:44 PM

In all honesty Tom..Lets face it..You just dont like OBAMA because he is BLACK...This man has a good plan!!!! Tell me why its a bad plan..Tell us what you would do as you seem to know it all.

Since Tom didn't address the last sentence, I will.

First, I don't like Obama....because I don't like his ideology or his plan. The "plan" (which really none of will know until the details are written, assuming the bill is actually read this time before it's passed) is nothing more than phony band-aid, short term "fixes" -- maybe. It's nothing less than another stimulus plan, except now the the term "stimulus" isn't being used because the term has fallen from grace in utter disgrace!

You want my plan in a nutshell: Here it is: Shrink Government so that the Private Sector can have a chance to Grow! All Obama has done, since he's been in office is grow, grow and grow government. And look what has happened to the Private Sector, as a result! The Feds need to stand down. They need to get out of the way so that the People who actually produce Goods and Services (and therefore, Wealth!) can have a chance to shine.

ObamaCare is albatross that is hanging around the necks of virtually all businesses. Therefore, it needs to be repealed.

Cut spending.

Cut capital gains taxes.

EPA rules, which are expensive to implement need to be rescinded those regulations. In general, scale back many unnecessary and expensive regulations.

We need to scrap the Income Tax for an eminently fairer, simpler and transparent tax code -- preferably a consumption-based tax.

Fundamental Welfare Reforms -- both corporate and personal.

Tens of thousands of jobs could be created "overnight" if the government would remove its restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not to mention the benefits we'd all reap at the pump!

Boxcar

skate

09-09-2011, 04:51 PM

mcschell...i could smell you coming, years ago.

boxcar

09-09-2011, 04:56 PM

First of all, let's get something straight. It's not HIS plan. He isn't capable of putting that together. It was crafted FOR him by those who are knowledgable of his ideology, condensed for him to read and regurgitated in front of a live TV audience during prime time. He reads well when there are no unfamiliar words like "corpsmen" in the text.

The skinny I'm getting from inside the Beltway is that "the plan" was the brainstorm of his teleprompter. That darn machine is smarter than he is. :D

Boxcar

mostpost

09-09-2011, 04:58 PM

It's already booked up with all your delightful chums from Wisconsin.

Tell us again about Issa being a scumbag. (That's angry, right?)
Nope, just factual.

skate

09-09-2011, 04:59 PM

the left will never take of the problem because they are afraid to admit their huge mistake.

Spuriuos "CRact" made the housing bubble happen, to the extent that has NEVER before in the history of Mankind happened before.

If you cant admit it, you'll never solve the problem.:cool:

Then...take a good look at your "Job-Killing Dodd-Frank finance bill...:D

And and and, please do what you are told (by UncleGeorge) Close Fanny/Freddie...

Butsy butsy, i understand you wont.

What the A-Bamma-Nation did establish was "a way out", the solution is the Ballot.

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 05:02 PM

Go buy a dictionary if you don't understand the words.
Or wait for Dan to explain it to you. He has a such a god grass of things.
Wow, how did you know that? They called me the Pope of Pot, cuz I grew such Holy Hashish :lol:

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 05:05 PM

Explain myself?

Go buy a dictionary if you don't understand the words.
Or wait for Dan to explain it to you. He has a such a god grass of things.

Another attack.

No Tom... why don't you like the bill?

Elaborate please.

lsbets

09-09-2011, 05:12 PM

boxcar

09-09-2011, 05:16 PM

Another attack.

No Tom... why don't you like the bill?

Elaborate please.

What bill? Do you have a copy of it?

Boxcar

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 05:22 PM

What bill? Do you have a copy of it?

Boxcar
Box, Elysian has already told us we have to "wait" to see what's in it......
But like most little sheep, the left is in here telling us how good it is. hell McShell even called tom a racist for NOT liking it as it was "a good plan" and NO ONE has even seen this "good plan" yet!!!!
But not too worry, the left will continue to make it RACIST and how us on the right HATE Obama because he is BLACK if we dont pass it!!! lol
Can you say "gullible"???
At this point the left is so far reaching for something to hang their hats on , that it has almost become pitiful!
So McShell, since this is such a "good" plan instead of asking Tom what he doesnt like, why don't you show us IN THE BILL, what parts you do like??

bigmack

09-09-2011, 05:22 PM

Nope, just factual.
(Let me see if I can get as repulsive as McShell.)

Let's be honest, mostpost. You hate ISSA because he is LEBANESE!

No. I don't have it in me to be that much of a F'ing CREEP.

Lefty

09-09-2011, 05:25 PM

Accusing people who don't like his ideology that we hate him because he's black is a very lazy way to debate and it's vile!

I don't like Obama's ideology. You'll never convince me he's not a socialist.
He's been preaching fiscal responsibility for over 2 years while spending money like it was sand on the desert. Now he wants another half trillion. Given his poor performance, why should the repubs even consider giving it to him?

BTW, I admire Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Herman Caine, George Washington Carver and Charles White, just to name a few good men, both living and dead. There are others but you get the idea.

So let go of that racist crap. it's a freakin' lie and you on the left know it.

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 05:32 PM

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 05:34 PM

What bill? Do you have a copy of it?

Boxcar

Way to jump in. I posted the meat of the bill earlier on here.

Tom

09-09-2011, 05:38 PM

Meat?
Or roadkill?

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 05:38 PM

No no, Box might really be on to something - the bill might not actually even exist. I have an idea that Obama and some of his socialist cronies scratched a few notes into a spiral notebook about 20 minutes before the speech, and now they're scrambling to come up with something more official looking.. :eek:

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 05:38 PM

Elysian has already told us we have to "wait" to see what's in it......
But like most little sheep, the left is in here telling us how good it is.

My stance on the bill here is pretty well documented.

Its a band-aid that should help in the short-term. I'm sure, as with anything else this Administration puts out there, it lacks enforcement on deficit reduction. That said if Republicans can now come to the plate on the side of cutting spending via house paper and the committee of 12 I see no reason why you wouldn't pass this.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 05:39 PM

Wow, I had no idea that every person on this forum's heart was absolutely free of racism. I mean, it exists in this country, and it exists in this world, but somehow on this forum, which is so often filled with rabid personal hatred and bile toward the President, is completely prejudice-free*. To even suggest such a thing is the height of offense! :mad: This is me being offended!

*Except for Muslims. Duh.
You had better have rock solid evidence before you say to another person "you don't like someone because of their skin color."

Now you come waltzing in here talking about "absolutely free of racism."

Tell us all about your racism, "buddy."

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 05:41 PM

Meat?
Or roadkill?

Still waiting on why you don't like it... :sleeping:

I'm seriously just starting to think you are a flamer.

Pell Mell

09-09-2011, 05:48 PM

I didn't even know Obama was black...in my day he would be a Mulatto. :confused:

Tom

09-09-2011, 06:01 PM

Still waiting on why you don't like it... :sleeping:

I'm seriously just starting to think you are a flamer.

Read some posts - I have been quite clear on many occasions.
I'm seriously starting to think you have a comprehension problem. Or are you just frigging too lazy to look stuff yourself?

YOU post SPECIFIC clauses that will be in the bill and I will do you a solid and enlighten you.

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newtothegame

09-09-2011, 06:09 PM

My stance on the bill here is pretty well documented.

Its a band-aid that should help in the short-term. I'm sure, as with anything else this Administration puts out there, it lacks enforcement on deficit reduction. That said if Republicans can now come to the plate on the side of cutting spending via house paper and the committee of 12 I see no reason why you wouldn't pass this.
Ok, fair enough (since NO ONE can produce the bill yet lol) ,
but please, tell me and the rest of us how this is ANY different then stimulus. Which was much more in cost, had the same promises basically, and produced nothing. Now of course there will be those that tell us if it wasnt done, then this would of happened. There is no way to substantiate any of that rhetoric. All we know is we have 9% + unemployment, a HUGE mountain of debt, a president (who the only jobs he referred to from best I heard were UNION jobs in the publc sector,) and our economy is sinking daily!
So tell us how it differs?? What is this one going to do that stimulus didnt??

The Judge

09-09-2011, 06:16 PM

how is it that he can't compromise? How is it that the right votes against their OWN ideas when he presents them?

As far as I can see from the rights response on last nights speech, the Republicans should send him walking now. Even though even mention the need to change Social Security and Medicare? How could his bringing this up help him?

This man has been trying to compromise since he took office. Even to the point of alienating his own base of supporters in order to move the this country along and all he gotten for his effort is "NO" from the party of "NO"

"His plan won't work even when if it's my plan" . Yeah Right!!

Tom

09-09-2011, 06:16 PM

Everything they promised about the porkulous bill was a lie.
Unemployment went up, the millions of jobs never happened.
Shovel-ready jobs did not exist.
All the money still has not been spent.

These fools have nothing but talk to offer.

Instead of grandstanding last night with empty rhetoric and threats and blame, he should have invited 20 of the top business people and asked them why they are not investing and what would get them to hire again.

But last night was not about jobs, it was a campaign speech,

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 06:22 PM

Show me... didn't see it anywhere... saw a lot of pictures.

Based on the White House Fact Sheet:

American Jobs Act

This really isn't a bad piece of legislation.

Republicans should now take the lead on appropriate deficit reduction via House paper and the Committee of 12 and then pass this thing.

Thats the way transactional politics used to work in our two party system...

This administration was completely wrong last time they wasted trillions of dollars - you want to spend another haft tril on next year's excuses?

You know this is what kills me right here.

This plan is essentially an additional $450 BILLION in more Tax Breaks and you have a problem with that because Obama is proposing it. Its not about whose side is right or wrong its about trying to fix the problem. You post on here all the time about where your tax dollars are going. That we shouldn't have more taxes. Blah Blah Blah.

You should like this proposal but because of the man who announced it you hate it.

There are problems with it sure but they can be readily addressed before it is passed.

What's that, that you shoot off your big mouth thinking you know what you are talking about when you don't. I can see why ignorance would kill you.

I point out you are being hypocritical and you personally attack me.

Explain yourself.

For a person with 48,000 posts you do very little of it.

Explain myself?

Go buy a dictionary if you don't understand the words.
Or wait for Dan to explain it to you. He has a such a god grass of things.

And essentially here we are... :)

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 06:24 PM

You had better have rock solid evidence before you say to another person "you don't like someone because of their skin color."
Now you come waltzing in here talking about "absolutely free of racism."
Tell us all about your racism, "buddy."Wow, such an impressive "get" of my post. :rolleyes: Stick to diddling your guitar..

TvR6d08L3nc

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 06:25 PM

This man has been trying to compromise since he took office.
Really? Explain Obamacare then. He got EXACTLY what he wanted and the opposition was silenced. Then that airhead Pelosi marched around with that big freakin hammer just to rub it into the faces of the people who were protesting this garbage legislation that did nothing but waste time and money and will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court next July. Obamacare is at the core of the economic problems we're experiencing today. That is why companies aren't hiring.

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 06:26 PM

Ok, fair enough (since NO ONE can produce the bill yet lol) ,
but please, tell me and the rest of us how this is ANY different then stimulus. Which was much more in cost, had the same promises basically, and produced nothing. Now of course there will be those that tell us if it wasnt done, then this would of happened. There is no way to substantiate any of that rhetoric. All we know is we have 9% + unemployment, a HUGE mountain of debt, a president (who the only jobs he referred to from best I heard were UNION jobs in the publc sector,) and our economy is sinking daily!
So tell us how it differs?? What is this one going to do that stimulus didnt??

Its not going to have any drastic effect. I agree with that. But... if you have a chance to cut another $450 billion in spending somewhere while providing more tax incentives for small businesses to hire I see no problem with it. Like I said nothing this Adminstration puts out hampers their ability to spend here you have a chance to take a proposal and slash spending by another half a trillion.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 06:36 PM

Wow, such an impressive "get" of my post. :rolleyes: Stick to diddling your guitar..
At least I talent enough to play. Goofs like you are saddled with a life diddling your dink.

Don't look now, I think you have Cheeto & Hot Pocket smudge on your mouth.

Get ready to snicker at Colbert. Start diddling.

The Judge

09-09-2011, 06:43 PM

ArlJim78

09-09-2011, 06:48 PM

Its not going to have any drastic effect. I agree with that. But... if you have a chance to cut another $450 billion in spending somewhere while providing more tax incentives for small businesses to hire I see no problem with it. Like I said nothing this Adminstration puts out hampers their ability to spend here you have a chance to take a proposal and slash spending by another half a trillion.
we always have the chance to slash spending and use it for something else. we didn't need Obama for that. nothing prevents us from doing it except for the fact that there is no political will to slash anything. they're going to have trouble coming up with any kind of cuts, and you think its trivial to throw another half trillion on top of it for programs which you yourself admit will not have any drastic effect. really? do you throw your own money around like that?

bigmack

09-09-2011, 06:48 PM

A right wing that cannot and will not be appease no matter what he does.
The Judge buying "The Party of No", hook, line & sucker.

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 06:53 PM

Opposition was "silenced" he got what he "wanted." This is a complete re-write of history. I know that you probably believe that and that's unfortunate.
Actually I saw what was called the "health care summit" on live TV. Remember the quote "I'm the president"? Remember the disrespect to John McCain? To Paul Ryan who was one of the very few who understood the economic implications and presented them in written format that Obama simply dismissed without any meaningful discussion. Remember the LIES Obama told to the pro-life Democrats to secure their votes? There's no "re-write" here, just first hand information seen live on TV as it happened.

The Judge

09-09-2011, 07:06 PM

bigmack

09-09-2011, 07:15 PM

is there any opposition the "Obamacare" today? As you said its being drugged though every court in the land. It's been fought tooth and nail even after the provisions the left wanted was the first to go. The opposition has never been silenced on this bill at all.

I have an idea lets wait until "July 2014" to implement the major parts? That should silence the critics.

The nation called for health care reform and more coverage for those without coverage. Now its"OBAMA CARE".
Don't worry, Judge. He's OK with "ObamaCare."

"The prescription drug program that now is part of Medicare obviously has been very helpful but the costs had been going up and up and up," the president explained. "So part of the Affordable Care Act health care reform, also known as ObamaCare -- by the way, you know what? Let me tell you, I have no problem with folks saying ObamaCares. I do care."

"If the other side wants to be the folks who don't care, that's fine with me."http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/president-obama-addresses-obamacare-label-i-

See, he turned it around. "I care. They don't." :jump:
____________________________

"implement the major parts? That should silence the critics." :confused:

Haven't you heard about all the waivers they've been handing out? That must be as a result of some of the "major parts" being a "major pain in the keister", huh?

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 07:16 PM

is there any opposition the "Obamacare" today? As you said its being drugged though every court in the land. It's been fought tooth and nail even after the provisions the left wanted was the first to go. The opposition has never been silenced on this bill at all.

I have an idea lets wait until "July 2014" to implement the major parts? That should silence the critics.

The nation called for health care reform and more coverage for those without coverage. Now its"OBAMA CARE".
The opposition was silenced at the summit BEFORE and DURING the passing of this bill. By "silenced" I don't mean they had their mouths duct taped. I mean that deals were done behind closed doors and promises were made that were quickly broken. "Health care reform" would be a good thing but Obamacare is a disaster. So much so that people who supported it (and him) are lining up for waivers and getting them. That doesn't look too good now does it? And we all know its affect on the job market. Companies are saying it's cheaper to pay the fine than it is to comply. It will be repealed before the 2012 election.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 07:22 PM

It will be repealed before the 2012 election.
Ain't no way. Post Willard in the double O.

boxcar

09-09-2011, 07:23 PM

Way to jump in. I posted the meat of the bill earlier on here.

No, you posted a link to a rough outline of a bill. I want the details. There is no actual bill, yet the Teleprompter-in-Chief kept insisting that we "pass the bill now"? Pass what? Or do you advocate that we pass the outline, then Congress can worry about filling in the devilish details later? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

fast4522

09-09-2011, 07:23 PM

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 07:31 PM

Ain't no way. Post Willard in the double O.
I have no idea what you mean by that.

But your byline is a verse from The Royal Scam by Steely Dan, one of my favorite artists who I actually saw up in Saratoga about 10 years ago at SPAC as well as in 1974 at the Nassau Coliseum when they opened for the Doobie Brothers and Loggins and Messina. One of the best concerts I've ever been to. I have their sheet music book. Wild chords.

boxcar

09-09-2011, 07:35 PM

Its not going to have any drastic effect. I agree with that. But... if you have a chance to cut another $450 billion in spending somewhere while providing more tax incentives for small businesses to hire I see no problem with it. Like I said nothing this Adminstration puts out hampers their ability to spend here you have a chance to take a proposal and slash spending by another half a trillion.

Let me see if I have this right. I'm doing my annual household budget. I tell my better half, "Hon, we gotta cut some 'pork' from our expenses because we're overspending and we're not able to pay off our credit card statements in full every month." I analyze all my expenses. I make some suggestions to my wife, telling her that I can slash our annual expenses by 5K. My wife says: That's great, sweetheart, because with those cuts I can take that money and buy the new flooring I've been wanting for the house. :bang: :bang:

Question: If I give my wife her way, have I actually cut my annual budget?

Boxcar

bigmack

09-09-2011, 07:42 PM

I have no idea what you mean by that.

But your byline is a verse from The Royal Scam by Steely Dan, one of my favorite artists who I actually saw up in Saratoga about 10 years ago at SPAC as well as in 1974 at the Nassau Coliseum when they opened for the Doobie Brothers and Loggins and Messina. One of the best concerts I've ever been to. I have their sheet music book. Wild chords.
Funny you should mention that. I just received the complete SD songbook. Having a ball playing Bodhisattva, Home @ Last & others on keyboard.

My cryptic post was: Post (after) Willard (Romney) in the double O. (Oval Office)

Mike at A+

09-09-2011, 07:51 PM

Funny you should mention that. I just received the complete SD songbook. Having a ball playing Bodhisattva, Home @ Last & others on keyboard.

My cryptic post was: Post (after) Willard (Romney) in the double O. (Oval Office)
But I heard today that the SC is hearing the case next July. Could be wrong but I think that's what they said on TV.

My claim to fame is that I learned to play Aja on my 1929 Wurlitzer with that book. Took a LONG time. I don't really read music that quickly but I did learn for guitar back in the 60's and kinda picked up piano by ear when I was in college. If you like SD, get Fagen's latest CD (Morph the Cat - 2006 I think). Of course, The Nightfly is his best IMO.

CryingForTheHorses

09-09-2011, 07:52 PM

You know Tom, I USED to think you were a decent guy, but with all due respect, GFY.

You are obviously far more ignorant that I ever thought.
I have already posted better things to do - go have someone read them for your, since you don't seem to comprehend too much.

Ok I was a little harsh and I apoligize to you.Maybe I dont know all the details of what he has done bad.I did watch his speech and heard him talking about rebuilding america and giving tax credits to small business and trying to make ammends with the republican party.Ill keep my nose out of politics and stick to my horses.Sorry to have offended you..PS..I really am a good guy.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 08:11 PM

PS..I really am a good guy.
You're giving yourself WAY too much credit.

For years Tom has been kind enough to congratulate you on victories and you come in here and accuse him of that? Shame on you. :ThmbDown:

PaceAdvantage

09-09-2011, 08:15 PM

Wow, I had no idea that every person on this forum's heart was absolutely free of racism. I mean, it exists in this country, and it exists in this world, but somehow on this forum, which is so often filled with rabid personal hatred and bile toward the President, is completely prejudice-free*. To even suggest such a thing is the height of offense! :mad: This is me being offended!

*Except for Muslims. Duh.Bush was white. How do you explain all the rabid personal hatred and bile towards him on this forum from 2001-2008?

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 08:21 PM

Bush was white. How do you explain all the rabid personal hatred and bile towards him on this forum from 2001-2008?

Show me. Not including use of the word "goofy".

CryingForTheHorses

09-09-2011, 08:23 PM

Oh look. Another Canadian jerk-off.

Canadian Jerkoff..At least Im not Illegal and pay my taxes quarterly.I am a law abiding citizen who employs american people.I am a homeowner and have a unblemished record..I am living the american dream because I worked for it..If lots of the american people would get off their ass's and do the jobs that the illegals do ,We wouldnt have as many people out of work.Too many people are afraid to get their hands dirty.

porchy44

09-09-2011, 08:27 PM

FantasticDan

09-09-2011, 08:30 PM

At least I talent enough to play. Goofs like you are saddled with a life diddling your dink.

Don't look now, I think you have Cheeto & Hot Pocket smudge on your mouth.

Get ready to snicker at Colbert. Start diddling.

Always amusing when the self-loathing lash out.. A forum staple! :ThmbUp:

Spiderman

09-09-2011, 08:31 PM

Obama made a winning speech. He was feisty and was strong in presenting this bill to Congress. He took Richmond today and will be on the trail promoting The American Jobs Act (AJC) in several states.

The economy needs an effort and the Republicans cannot afford to continue obstructionist policy. The party of 'no' must see the light or they will become the party of 'no seats in Congress'.

The act allows for deeper reduction of taxes in conjunction with the Special Committee activity. To my understanding the AJC will be paid by the reduced deficit spending that is greater than the required $1.5 trillion due to be reduced.

Fully Paid for as Part of the President’s Long-Term Deficit Reduction Plan.

To ensure that the American Jobs Act is fully paid for, the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target. The President will, in the coming days, release a detailed plan that will show how we can do that while achieving the additional deficit reduction necessary to meet the President’s broader goal of stabilizing our debt as a share of the economy.

The full context of the preliminary facts, originally posted by elysiantraveller:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/08/fact-sheet-american-jobs-act

Only the die-hards and anti-Obama coven on PA opposes taking any immediate action toward helping the economy. Consider if the September jobs report again shows no gain in employment or the month following. We have a double-dip Depression (with a capital D).

elysiantraveller

09-09-2011, 08:33 PM

To answer a couple of you:

Corporate tax rates aren't going down neither are capital gains. Not during this Administration. What this bill can do is provide companies tax credits for hiring. That is as good as its going to get for the next two years.

I understand that there isn't a live bill for us to discuss and I doubt it has any real enforcement. I'm as skeptical as everyone else is when Obama claims its "paid for." Thats why I said the Republicans need to take advantage of the fact there is about $450 billion in real pork that can be cut out and prompt some real spending cuts.

IF THAT HAPPENS: We cut unnecessary spending while providing tax breaks to companies that hire people and improving infrastructure.

That seems completely fine with me...

JustRalph

09-09-2011, 08:52 PM

Bush was white. How do you explain all the rabid personal hatred and bile towards him on this forum from 2001-2008?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_KJXdKMwZqBgHPdXXdGWnEP

fast4522

09-09-2011, 08:53 PM

Barack Hussein Obama will not receive the chance, there is no more magic left to the witch Pelosi, and big little man Harry can count on one hand what bits of legislation he will have the opportunity to say he was a force in.

bobbyb

09-09-2011, 09:02 PM

Canadian Jerkoff..At least Im not Illegal and pay my taxes quarterly.I am a law abiding citizen who employs american people.I am a homeowner and have a unblemished record..I am living the american dream because I worked for it..If lots of the american people would get off their ass's and do the jobs that the illegals do ,We wouldnt have as many people out of work.Too many people are afraid to get their hands dirty.

Hey BigMack or whatever,
I'm from California - work transfered to Canada - My Nephew who is in the line of fire presently, stationed outta San Diego - USN Air - I think about him and pray for him everyday - You say "Canadian Jerkoff" - when you get some idle time on your hands travel South a little bit and cuddle up with them - You are the Jerk.
Just in case your having a problem receiving the latest news out of Afganistan, Canadian soldiers are also sacrificing there lives along with US and the rest of the forces.
Canada has supported the USA for decades in war and peace and you have the b*lls to come out with that remark. - Your an idiot - You really don't know how lucky you are................

An apology to Tom would be asking too much......................
bobby

trying2win

09-09-2011, 09:20 PM

Since Tom didn't address the last sentence, I will.

First, I don't like Obama....because I don't like his ideology or his plan. The "plan" (which really none of will know until the details are written, assuming the bill is actually read this time before it's passed) is nothing more than phony band-aid, short term "fixes" -- maybe. It's nothing less than another stimulus plan, except now the the term "stimulus" isn't being used because the term has fallen from grace in utter disgrace!

You want my plan in a nutshell: Here it is: Shrink Government so that the Private Sector can have a chance to Grow! All Obama has done, since he's been in office is grow, grow and grow government. And look what has happened to the Private Sector, as a result! The Feds need to stand down. They need to get out of the way so that the People who actually produce Goods and Services (and therefore, Wealth!) can have a chance to shine.

ObamaCare is albatross that is hanging around the necks of virtually all businesses. Therefore, it needs to be repealed.

Cut spending.

Cut capital gains taxes.

EPA rules, which are expensive to implement need to be rescinded those regulations. In general, scale back many unnecessary and expensive regulations.

We need to scrap the Income Tax for an eminently fairer, simpler and transparent tax code -- preferably a consumption-based tax.

Fundamental Welfare Reforms -- both corporate and personal.

Tens of thousands of jobs could be created "overnight" if the government would remove its restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not to mention the benefits we'd all reap at the pump!

Boxcar

Boxcar:

Great post! I like it. Especially about the part about shrinking the Government. Even though I'm a Canadian, we have the same problem here. Too many unnecessary government jobs and programs. And many government workers here get perks unknown to a lot of private sector workers.

--I like to say that at least 80% of politicians suffer from G.A.S.S.S. and EXCUSITIS.

--G.A.S.S.S. is an acronym standing for GREED, ARROGANCE, STUPIDITY, SPINELESSNESS AND SPENDTHRIFTNESS.

--EXCUSITIS is a term in David J. Schwartz Ph.D's great book entitled "THE MAGIC OF THINKING BIG". Mr. Schwartz describes those who suffer from EXCUSITIS the failure disease as those who:

"Are quick to explain why they HAVEN'T...they DON'T...why they CAN'T and why they AREN'T."

In my opinion, the remaining 20% of politicians have positive attributes and qualities that are the exact opposite to the above.... These politicians show great intelligence, plus courage to stand up for taxpayers. I love their fiscal conservative philosophy Too bad they are usually in the minority.

T2W

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 09:28 PM

Its not going to have any drastic effect. I agree with that. But... if you have a chance to cut another $450 billion in spending somewhere while providing more tax incentives for small businesses to hire I see no problem with it. Like I said nothing this Adminstration puts out hampers their ability to spend here you have a chance to take a proposal and slash spending by another half a trillion.
Again, these are nothing more then WORDS. And, to top it off, the spending cuts you are talking about are supposed to happen over TEN YEARS. Now tell me when congress has reduced spending? What makes me believe they will now? See this is at the heart of most cons arguments. Less government and lower spending levels. We have got to get spending under control. Until this happens, our economy will continue to struggle in my oppinon. Our credibility around the world is shrinking because of our lack of financial responsibility.

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 09:37 PM

is there any opposition the "Obamacare" today? As you said its being drugged though every court in the land. It's been fought tooth and nail even after the provisions the left wanted was the first to go. The opposition has never been silenced on this bill at all.

I have an idea lets wait until "July 2014" to implement the major parts? That should silence the critics.

The nation called for health care reform and more coverage for those without coverage. Now its"OBAMA CARE".

Yeah Obamacare has been a BIG success...companies are jumping right on board. Remember, it was us on the right who said uninsured would increase under this.....

"
In 2008, when George W. Bush was president, according to Gallup, 14.9 percent of adult residents of the United States lacked health insurance coverage. That increased to 16.2 percent in 2009, the year that Obama was inaugurated, and to 16.4 percent in 2010, the year that Obama signed his law requiring that all Americans have health insurance.

In the first half of this year, according to data released by Gallup [Tuesday], the percentage of adults in the United States lacking health insurance ticked up to 16.8 percent."

http://moonbattery.com/?p=1975

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 09:48 PM

Hey BigMack or whatever,
I'm from California - work transfered to Canada - My Nephew who is in the line of fire presently, stationed outta San Diego - USN Air - I think about him and pray for him everyday - You say "Canadian Jerkoff" - when you get some idle time on your hands travel South a little bit and cuddle up with them - You are the Jerk.
Just in case your having a problem receiving the latest news out of Afganistan, Canadian soldiers are also sacrificing there lives along with US and the rest of the forces.
Canada has supported the USA for decades in war and peace and you have the b*lls to come out with that remark. - Your an idiot - You really don't know how lucky you are................

An apology to Tom would be asking too much......................
bobby

You're probably right on the money here since it was Tom (whom you ask for an apology) who came in here and ran off at the mouth, calling someone who is a stand up guy, a racist because he didnt like Obama.
If you're gonna cast stones, cover your azz up cause they will come flying right back.
I too thought your TOM was a decent guy (actually spoke to him opn phone a few times), but after his showing here in off topic, where mind you, your true colors usually shine through), not so sure now.
As to your canadian statement, BM never said ALL canadians, he said "another". Which to me means he knows a few canadian jerk offs. I am sure you could say the same about some americans. Hell I know a few american jerk offs! I might be considered one in some circles. And I am perfectly fine with that!

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 09:51 PM

Opposition was "silenced" he got what he "wanted." This is a complete re-write of history. I know that you probably believe that and that's unfortunate.

As far as many of the left is concerned that's been his biggest weakness, attempting to appease the right. A right wing that cannot and will not be appease no matter what he does.

Question judge....when exactly was it he was trying to "appease" the right....???
When Obama told them all to take a seat in the back of the bus???
lol Yeah he has been really trying to work with those on the right.....:bang:

ArlJim78

09-09-2011, 10:08 PM

Obama doesn't want compromise, his arrogance won't allow it.
he only wants someone to blame, he wants the campaign issue, to be able to run against the party of no. he waited nearly three years to hatch this warmed over "jobs" bill which is simply stimulus-lite.

half of the money in his latest proposal adds nothing new to the equation because it merely continues programs already in place like the payroll tax cut and the unemployment extension. are we seeing robust job creation now? then maybe we should be ending these programs instead of re-upping them. this constant tinkering with stimulus and tax gimmicks is not helpful.

sure businesses who are going to hire anyway will be able to obtain a credit, but the credit alone is not sufficient to justify hiring a person. and its already been tried last year.

the rest of the "investment" portion is also like throwing money down a well.

government IS the problem, not the solution. get government out of the way if you want to create jobs.

bigmack

09-09-2011, 10:09 PM

Canada has supported the USA for decades in war and peace and you have the b*lls to come out with that remark. - Your an idiot - You really don't know how lucky you are................
Any hope of you singing "O Canada" while you recite your post?

Good gawd. I said another Canadian jerk off. There was one other around this joint. That's two. NOT the entire nation.

Tom has contributed more to this place in humor alone than anyone and I am not going to see another chump come in here and start pointing a finger of racism when it's not there.

Viva Canada! :ThmbUp:

boxcar

09-09-2011, 10:27 PM

Boxcar:

Great post! I like it. Especially about the part about shrinking the Government. Even though I'm a Canadian, we have the same problem here. Too many unnecessary government jobs and programs. And many government workers here get perks unknown to a lot of private sector workers.

--I like to say that at least 80% of politicians suffer from G.A.S.S.S. and EXCUSITIS.

--G.A.S.S.S. is an acronym standing for GREED, ARROGANCE, STUPIDITY, SPINELESSNESS AND SPENDTHRIFTNESS.

--EXCUSITIS is a term in David J. Schwartz Ph.D's great book entitled "THE MAGIC OF THINKING BIG". Mr. Schwartz describes those who suffer from EXCUSITIS the failure disease as those who:

"Are quick to explain why they HAVEN'T...they DON'T...why they CAN'T and why they AREN'T."

In my opinion, the remaining 20% of politicians have positive attributes and qualities that are the exact opposite to the above.... These politicians show great intelligence, plus courage to stand up for taxpayers. I love their fiscal conservative philosophy Too bad they are usually in the minority.

T2W

Thanks, T2E, but not so great. Just a little common sense.

The root cause to our nation's problems is morality. I think about 80% of the people are as screwed up as the politicians they put into office. Take for example how many "conservatives" are so eager to put a moderate Republican into the WH. They have no idea that the only real difference between a "moderate" and a "liberal" is that the former takes a more circuitous and, therefore, slower route to get the nation to the same destination that the latter would. All moderate conservatives accomplish is kick the can down the road a bit.

I'll go one further: We're only one Supreme Court justice away from having a solid left-wing majority on that court. If this should ever happen, it's all over for this country. (Judicial tyranny would rule the day.) This nation's freedoms and individual liberties are hanging by a slim thread, yet so few people seem to realize this. Why do I broach this subject? Obviously, because it's more likely that a "moderate", if elected and given a SC opportunity, would choose the wrong nominee, which would be just as disastrous for the country if BO were reelected and got another opportunity to nominate a jurist to the court.

Boxcar

The Judge

09-09-2011, 10:29 PM

Tom

09-09-2011, 11:18 PM

Ok I was a little harsh and I apoligize to you.Maybe I dont know all the details of what he has done bad.I did watch his speech and heard him talking about rebuilding america and giving tax credits to small business and trying to make ammends with the republican party.Ill keep my nose out of politics and stick to my horses.Sorry to have offended you..PS..I really am a good guy.

Tom, thanks, and for the PM, too.
I apologize to you, too. I should have walked away when I read it, but I didn't. You have been a good friend over the years and I respect you. The internet makes instant replies too easy.

Don't ever back away from your opinion, no matter who disagrees with you. I agree, you are a good guy. :ThmbUp:

newtothegame

09-09-2011, 11:21 PM

From the time he first to office until this very day.

Here is a article from 2009 it shows the lengths he went to create bi-partisan support for a Federal Judgeship Appointment. This was his 1st Federal Judge Appointment.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091122/EDIT0501/311229938/1147/EDIT07

Until this very day: He changed the date of his speech even though he knew how it would look to his supporters.

Do do remember the record number of threaten Republican filibusters don't you. Obama gave in to Republican positions without getting anything in return.

Do you think the Left was complaining because he stood up to the right? The complaints were because he didn't.

Keep the facts straight...you say he changed the date....The republica date was ALREADY set, he tried to infringe upon that date and was asked to reconsider it.
The left is complaining because he is not fulfilling what he promised to do. The left thinks he isnt far enough left.

Obama, until this past November was only held up by his own damn party. So lets not misconstrue facts. If his own party wopuld of supported his agenda and not got scared, they could of passed whatever they wished, JUST LIKE OBAMACARE.

Tom

09-09-2011, 11:22 PM

You're giving yourself WAY too much credit.

For years Tom has been kind enough to congratulate you on victories and you come in here and accuse him of that? Shame on you. :ThmbDown:

Naw, he is a good guy. We both just had a bad day.
Don't hold it against him. It's not everyday some offers an olive branch.
Tom's a keeper!

Tom

09-09-2011, 11:27 PM

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bigmack

09-09-2011, 11:29 PM

Naw, he is a good guy. We both just had a bad day.
Don't hold it against him. It's not everyday some offers an olive branch.
Tom's a keeper!
K, Tommy.

Fellow Mc: Making an accusation of someone like that is ONE BIG MATZAH BALL. Until you are entirely sure of what you accuse, I'd lay off that one.

Mc's unite! :ThmbUp:

newtothegame

09-10-2011, 12:54 AM

Again, these are nothing more then WORDS. And, to top it off, the spending cuts you are talking about are supposed to happen over TEN YEARS. Now tell me when congress has reduced spending? What makes me believe they will now? See this is at the heart of most cons arguments. Less government and lower spending levels. We have got to get spending under control. Until this happens, our economy will continue to struggle in my oppinon. Our credibility around the world is shrinking because of our lack of financial responsibility.

Here is an example of why I have a hard time believing the government can ever cut spending or spend with some financial sanity.....

Govt. Spends $4 Million Dollars to House 12 Homeless People

Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:44pm
"Government officials in Bethesda, Maryland, have decided to spend $4 million dollars to provide housing for 12 homeless people for one year.http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/hoc.jpg (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/govt-spends-4-million-dollars-to-house-12-homeless-people/hoc/)

That’s right. The taxpayer will be providing free housing to a dozen folks in Maryland at the rate of $330,000 per person a year.

This should raise some eyebrows, as the median price of a single family home in the U.S. is $172,000."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/govt-spends-4-million-dollars-to-house-12-homeless-people/

Ok, so we take care of them...no biggie! But, WHY NOT JUST BUY THEM A HOUSE AND STILL come out cheaper in the long run????
Ohhh, I see, it didnt mention the other necessities like food, energy, water, gas, etc etc. I bet this tax payer funded bill will be on the rise....~!

mostpost

09-10-2011, 02:07 AM

Keep the facts straight...you say he changed the date....The republica date was ALREADY set, he tried to infringe upon that date and was asked to reconsider it.

Who cares if the Republican date was already set. We are talking country vs. party. When Boehner wrote to Obama his reasoning for postponing the Speech was not that the Republicans were having their debate on Wednesday. It was that Congress would be returning on that Wednesday and there would not be sufficient time to accomplish all the procedures and security checks necessary.

Obama agreed to the change in date out of respect for the Congress. The Republicans silly debate did not and should not have had anything to do with it.

If I were President, every time the Republicans had a debate, I'd hire a band and march through the arena.

ElKabong

09-10-2011, 02:26 AM

If I were President, every time the Republicans had a debate, I'd hire a band and march through the arena.

With petty thoughts like the above, it's no wonder you were a postal worker and not a preznit.

mostpost

09-10-2011, 03:28 AM

Here is an example of why I have a hard time believing the government can ever cut spending or spend with some financial sanity.....

Govt. Spends $4 Million Dollars to House 12 Homeless People

Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:44pm
"Government officials in Bethesda, Maryland, have decided to spend $4 million dollars to provide housing for 12 homeless people for one year.http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/hoc.jpg (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/govt-spends-4-million-dollars-to-house-12-homeless-people/hoc/)

That’s right. The taxpayer will be providing free housing to a dozen folks in Maryland at the rate of $330,000 per person a year.

This should raise some eyebrows, as the median price of a single family home in the U.S. is $172,000."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/govt-spends-4-million-dollars-to-house-12-homeless-people/

Ok, so we take care of them...no biggie! But, WHY NOT JUST BUY THEM A HOUSE AND STILL come out cheaper in the long run????
Ohhh, I see, it didnt mention the other necessities like food, energy, water, gas, etc etc. I bet this tax payer funded bill will be on the rise....~!

So the government in Bethesda, Md. spent to $4M to buy an apartment building and renovate it and now they are going to let 12 people live there rent free. That means it will cost $330,000 per person per year. :rolleyes:
If we believe that we have to believe that at the end of one year the government of Bethesda is going to tear that building down. Either that or they are going to buy the building again next year; and every year thereafter.

Now if the author of this article is trying to deceive us on this, then he is also most likely trying to deceive us on the free rent. I could not find anything definite on this particular project, but several similar projects charge rent to the tenants. The rent is usually based on a percentage of income (30% in most cases).

It is not necessarily true that person who is homeless is not working. So these tenants could very well be contributing to the cost of this project. Certainly the author offers no proof that the units will be rent free. No quotes from officials, no rental contracts, nothing. And yet you believe every thing he writes

trying2win

09-10-2011, 03:31 AM

How can Obama mention a jobs bill and not address "outsourcing"' (growing trade deficit) as the sole problem to address. Everyone in my town that has lost their job was due to outsourcing.

All Republican candidates love outsourcing and want it to be expanded.
Democratic candidates like Obama pay nothing but lip service to what should be done, but no action is taken. In that regard Obama has been wishy washy and a weak president.

As I said before we should treat companies that hire in the USA like royalty
and companies that outsource like scum.

I give up on the job thing. Republicans and democrats neither one will address the real issue why unemployment is so high.

Porchy:

You're right on the money with your comments on outsourcing. I made a post in this thread earlier about the same theme. I even "walked the talk" awhile ago, and I sent a letter of complaint about this kind of thing to my member of parliament representing the area I live in Canada. I got a wimpy reply many weeks later stating something to the effect that "We should not get into protectionism." My contention is ...WHY NOT? Canadian jobs are at stake for crying out loud. I'm guessing a lot of the same sort of 'outsourcing' thing to third world companies, is happening in the USA too, right? If so, it's time for more people to take a stand, speak out, complain to your government representative, publicly embarrass these $#&*! Canadian and American companies who are doing outsourcing. I'll list a couple right here who should be in the HALL OF SHAME:

1. TD CANADA TRUST. I recently phoned two of their call centres for some info on my accounts with them. The first call centre was in Canada I believe. So that's fine. But get this....when I phoned a second call centre about my TD Visa account, I noticed the man had an accent. I asked him where he was answering from, and he said "Bangalore, India!" Can you believe that? Banks like TD Canada Trust make multi millions in profits every year, yet they have the gall to outsource Canadian jobs to India! Talk about corporate greed to the nth degree!

--I don't like my personal information possibly being put in jeopardy by some greedy bank, that is outsourcing to some foreign country. How do we know we can trust these people in foreign countries with our bank information? So basically I complained to my government rep about 'outsourcing' in general, and my dislike of TD Canada Trust outsourcing VISA info to a foreign country. The member of parliament gave me wimpy answers on both questions.

2. GENERAL ELECTRIC. Check out where your light bulbs are being produced at for example. You'll probably find them produced in Asian countries.

--In my opinion, Canadian and U.S. governments should not give tax breaks to these so-called Canadian or American companies.

--I noticed recently that TD Canada Trust bought out Bank of America's Canadian credit card business. Any predictions that TD Canada trust will outsource some of those BOA Canadian credit card jobs to Bangalore, India?

--Please feel free to list any other Canadian or American companies that have outsourced jobs to third world countries, and you feel should be publicly embarrassed, and who also should be in the HALL OF SHAME!

T2W
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~"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

-- Dante Alighieri

trying2win

09-10-2011, 04:09 AM

Less government and lower spending levels. We have got to get spending under control. Until this happens, our economy will continue to struggle in my oppinon. Our credibility around the world is shrinking because of our lack of financial responsibility.

New:

You're right about your U.S. Federal Government's reckless spending. You know, spending like 'drunken sailors'. We have similar problems with our Federal, Provincial and City of Edmonton governments here in Canada too.

I'm impressed with the wisdom and common sense of PACE ADVANTAGE members, when they express their opinions on financial topics like this. How come most of our government representatives can't see or understand the same prudent things? What excuses are they offering? Are they afraid of certain public sector unions, lobby groups, or not being re-elected so they can keep their own personal gravy trains rolling in, if they don't spend enough?

T2W

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--Dr. Robert Anthony

newtothegame

09-10-2011, 04:21 AM

Who cares if the Republican date was already set. We are talking country vs. party. When Boehner wrote to Obama his reasoning for postponing the Speech was not that the Republicans were having their debate on Wednesday. It was that Congress would be returning on that Wednesday and there would not be sufficient time to accomplish all the procedures and security checks necessary.

Obama agreed to the change in date out of respect for the Congress. The Republicans silly debate did not and should not have had anything to do with it.

If I were President, every time the Republicans had a debate, I'd hire a band and march through the arena.

Now now mosty, you libe come here TALKING about how the left is trying to work with the right...then you start off your comments like that.....:lol:
True colors shining through again huh? Not too worry though, Obama addressing the GOP, telling them they can take a seat in the back of the bus still is better....:lol:

newtothegame

09-10-2011, 04:23 AM

Who cares if the Republican date was already set. We are talking country vs. party. When Boehner wrote to Obama his reasoning for postponing the Speech was not that the Republicans were having their debate on Wednesday. It was that Congress would be returning on that Wednesday and there would not be sufficient time to accomplish all the procedures and security checks necessary.

Obama agreed to the change in date out of respect for the Congress. The Republicans silly debate did not and should not have had anything to do with it.

If I were President, every time the Republicans had a debate, I'd hire a band and march through the arena.

Are you sure YOU spoke right...or who spoke wrong?? :lol:

Obama Wants to ‘Put Party Ahead of Country’: White House Spokesman Misspeak or Freudian Slip?

Posted on September 8, 2011 at 8:50pm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-wants-to-put-party-ahead-of-country-white-house-spokesman-misspeak-or-freudian-slip/

I will give you guys credit though...at least you libs use the same ole tired words.....too bad you all can't keep them in the right order!! :lol:

newtothegame

09-10-2011, 04:26 AM

So the government in Bethesda, Md. spent to $4M to buy an apartment building and renovate it and now they are going to let 12 people live there rent free. That means it will cost $330,000 per person per year. :rolleyes:
If we believe that we have to believe that at the end of one year the government of Bethesda is going to tear that building down. Either that or they are going to buy the building again next year; and every year thereafter.

Now if the author of this article is trying to deceive us on this, then he is also most likely trying to deceive us on the free rent. I could not find anything definite on this particular project, but several similar projects charge rent to the tenants. The rent is usually based on a percentage of income (30% in most cases).

It is not necessarily true that person who is homeless is not working. So these tenants could very well be contributing to the cost of this project. Certainly the author offers no proof that the units will be rent free. No quotes from officials, no rental contracts, nothing. And yet you believe every thing he writes

Mosty mosty mosty.....are you ok? Meds? Run out of prescriptions??

I really could not care so much about the tenants, or future tenants.
It's about THREE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND EACH PER YEAR!!!
For that price, we could of bought them houses for life!!!!!
I would bet anything they wouldnt be so willing to THROW AWAY money if it were their own!
Just goes to show how the government thinks versus REALITY!

newtothegame

09-10-2011, 04:29 AM

New:

You're right about your U.S. Federal Government's reckless spending. You know, spending like 'drunken sailors'. We have similar problems with our Federal, Provincial and City of Edmonton governments here in Canada too.

I'm impressed with the wisdom and common sense of PACE ADVANTAGE members, when they express their opinions on financial topics like this. How come most of our government representatives can't see or understand the same prudent things? What excuses are they offering? Are they afraid of certain public sector unions, lobby groups, or not being re-elected so they can keep their own personal gravy trains rolling in, if they don't spend enough?

T2W

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~"In life you can only have two things...REASONS OR RESULTS...And REASONS DON'T COUNT!"

--Dr. Robert Anthony

You have the answer......just look above at the bolded type. It hasn't been about , we the people, for the people...for some time. I say it's about high time we continue kicking the older ones out. Need to continue to take out the trash in the form of long tern congressional members who have no clue what its like in the private sector!

ArlJim78

09-10-2011, 10:41 AM

guys even the NYtimes, a member of state run media in top standing, doesn't buy the presidents job bill. they are saying the very same things that I have been saying, its not going to have any impact on hiring, and that the companies that will take the credit are those which which are doing well and would have hired anyway. for companies not now hiring, the credit doesn't change the calculation. Its a dumb idea on the level of the Cash For Clunkers program.

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Employers Say Jobs Plan Won’t Lead to Hiring Spur (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/business/economy/in-the-real-world-will-the-jobs-plan-make-a-difference.html?_r=1)

The dismal state of the economy is the main reason many companies are reluctant to hire workers, and few executives are saying that President Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s jobs plan — while welcome — will change their minds any time soon.

That sentiment was echoed across numerous industries by executives in companies big and small on Friday, underscoring the challenge for the Obama administration as it tries to encourage hiring and perk up the moribund economy.

Companies are focused on jittery consumer confidence, an unstable stock market, perceived obstacles to business expansion like government regulation and, above all, swings in demand for their products.

“You still need to have the business need to hire,” said Jeffery Braverman, owner of Nutsonline, an e-commerce company in Cranford, N.J., that sells nuts and dried fruit. While a $4,000 credit could offset the cost of the company’s lowest-cost health insurance plan, he said, it would not spur him to hire someone. “Business demand is what drives hiring,” he said.

CryingForTheHorses

09-10-2011, 10:45 AM

mostpost

09-10-2011, 11:18 AM

How can it cost this much??..Damn I could live like a shiek on 330k a year.I think the problem is when the goverment is involved the price of everything skyrockets because the taxpayers foot the bill.JMO

What you need to realize is that The Blaze is not a source of accurate reporting.
They claim that $4M is being spent to house 12 people. They claim the 12 people will be living rent free.

Here is the truth of the matter. The Montgomery County Housing Opportunities Commission purchases properties and rehabs them for use by the homeless. That part of the Blaze story is correct. However, the Blaze story makes it seem as if the operating budget for the building is $4 Million per year. Do you really think that is possible? The story says the building has been converted to one bedroom and studio apartments.
I live in a large one bedroom apartment in a very nice building in a quiet residential neighborhood. i'm sure my landlord does not charge me less rent than what is required to pay upkeep, utilities and mortgage payments. And whatever else he needs to pay for.

If he charges me $1100 for rent (it's actually quite a bit less) we can calculate that his costs for my apartment for one year are $13200. Multiply that times 12 apartments and you get total costs of $158,400 a year. Costs maybe higher in Maryland than in Illinois, but I doubt they are 25 times higher.

What the Blaze has done is taken a one time cost ($4M) and turned it into an annual cost.

There is also the question of whether the tenants will be living there rent free. The Blaze story says they will, but offers no documentation for that claim. I could not find information for this particular project, but for several other similar projects I found that the tenants did pay rent based on ability to pay; usually 30% of income.

I pointed all of this out to Newt in a previous post and he chose to ignore that. It was as if I was writing in invisible ink.

The Judge

09-10-2011, 11:24 AM

CryingForTheHorses

09-10-2011, 11:55 AM

K, Tommy.

Fellow Mc: Making an accusation of someone like that is ONE BIG MATZAH BALL. Until you are entirely sure of what you accuse, I'd lay off that one.

Mc's unite! :ThmbUp:

Thanks Tom and Bigmack..Guess I need to put brain in gear before engaging mouth.. :blush:

mostpost

09-10-2011, 12:06 PM

Mosty mosty mosty.....are you ok? Meds? Run out of prescriptions??

I really could not care so much about the tenants, or future tenants.
It's about THREE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND EACH PER YEAR!!!
For that price, we could of bought them houses for life!!!!!
I would bet anything they wouldnt be so willing to THROW AWAY money if it were their own!
Just goes to show how the government thinks versus REALITY!

You posted the above at 3:26 AM. You must have been sleeping. It does not cost $4M a year. That would be impossible. See my post #146 to McSchell racing.

Further proof that the $4M is a one time payment comes in the very story you linked to. $1M of the funds comes from the Obama stimulus plan. Those funds are in the form of a grant not a continuing fund.

Now I find I was somewhat in error here. I thought this was a rehab. It is in fact a new building. That is further proof the $4M was spent to construct the building and not to operate it.

boxcar

09-10-2011, 12:10 PM

mostpost

09-10-2011, 12:19 PM

Read some posts - I have been quite clear on many occasions.
I'm seriously starting to think you have a comprehension problem. Or are you just frigging too lazy to look stuff yourself?

YOU post SPECIFIC clauses that will be in the bill and I will do you a solid and enlighten you.

1.

2.

3.

Ok here we go.

1. Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow

Cutting the payroll tax in half for 98 percent of businesses: The President’s plan will cut in half the taxes paid by businesses on their first $5 million in payroll, targeting the benefit to the 98 percent of firms that have payroll below this threshold.
A complete payroll tax holiday for added workers or increased wages: The President’s plan will completely eliminate payroll taxes for firms that increase their payroll by adding new workers or increasing the wages of their current worker (the benefit is capped at the first $50 million in payroll increases).
Extending 100% expensing into 2012: This continues an effective incentive for new investment.
Reforms and regulatory reductions to help entrepreneurs and small businesses access capital.

Here you have tax cuts. A 50% reduction. Plus you have a complete elimination of payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare for any company that hires workers. Am I wrong that you have been consistently saying that high taxes inhibit growth?

Less regulation. Now you are not in favor of that?

mostpost

09-10-2011, 12:24 PM

Read some posts - I have been quite clear on many occasions.
I'm seriously starting to think you have a comprehension problem. Or are you just frigging too lazy to look stuff yourself?

YOU post SPECIFIC clauses that will be in the bill and I will do you a solid and enlighten you.

1.

2.

3.
continuing:
2. Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America

A “Returning Heroes” hiring tax credit for veterans: This provides tax credits from $5,600 to $9,600 to encourage the hiring of unemployed veterans.
Preventing up to 280,000 teacher layoffs,while keeping cops and firefighters on the job.
Modernizing at least 35,000 public schools across the country,supporting new science labs, Internet-ready classrooms and renovations at schools across the country, in rural and urban areas.
Immediate investments in infrastructure and a bipartisan National Infrastructure Bank, modernizing our roads, rail, airports and waterways while putting hundreds of thousands of workers back on the job.
A New “Project Rebuild”, which will put people to work rehabilitating homes, businesses and communities, leveraging private capital and scaling land banks and other public-private collaborations.
Expanding access to high-speed wireless as part of a plan for freeing up the nation’s spectrum.

All of these create jobs. At least temporarily. And they fix things that desperately need to be fixed.

We await your objections with baited breath. or is it bated breath?

cj's dad

09-10-2011, 12:31 PM

Ok here we go.

1. Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow

Cutting the payroll tax in half for 98 percent of businesses: The President’s plan will cut in half the taxes paid by businesses on their first $5 million in payroll, targeting the benefit to the 98 percent of firms that have payroll below this threshold.
A complete payroll tax holiday for added workers or increased wages: The President’s plan will completely eliminate payroll taxes for firms that increase their payroll by adding new workers or increasing the wages of their current worker (the benefit is capped at the first $50 million in payroll increases).
Extending 100% expensing into 2012: This continues an effective incentive for new investment.
Reforms and regulatory reductions to help entrepreneurs and small businesses access capital.

Here you have tax cuts. A 50% reduction. Plus you have a complete elimination of payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare for any company that hires workers. Am I wrong that you have been consistently saying that high taxes inhibit growth?

Less regulation. Now you are not in favor of that?

Good God, Mosties using Geraldo's material:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/geraldo/blog/2011/09/09/president-obamas-jobs-creation-plan

boxcar

09-10-2011, 12:32 PM

Who cares if the Republican date was already set. We are talking country vs. party. When Boehner wrote to Obama his reasoning for postponing the Speech was not that the Republicans were having their debate on Wednesday. It was that Congress would be returning on that Wednesday and there would not be sufficient time to accomplish all the procedures and security checks necessary.

Obama agreed to the change in date out of respect for the Congress. The Republicans silly debate did not and should not have had anything to do with it.

If I were President, every time the Republicans had a debate, I'd hire a band and march through the arena.

If you want the truth of the matter, Obama had to change the date because HE screwed up royally ! (Haven't I said that his teleprompter is smarter than he is!? :rolleyes: ) Obama's plan was clearly to upstage the Republican debate, but he shot himself in the foot, forgetting (or totally ignorant of the fact) that he had to take the Congressional Calendar into consideration prior to scheduling his speech Obama wanted to circumvent House Parliamentary Procedure, while also forgetting about the insurmountable logistical problems that such a short notice would impose upon the House.

The "brightest man in the room" embarrassed himself with his own stupidity. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

Robert Goren

09-10-2011, 12:33 PM

The one tax cut that might not pass is the "returning heros" The GOP while it can't say enough about how great our soldiers almost never does any thing that would actually help them.

cj's dad

09-10-2011, 12:35 PM

continuing:
2. Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America

A “Returning Heroes” hiring tax credit for veterans: This provides tax credits from $5,600 to $9,600 to encourage the hiring of unemployed veterans.
Preventing up to 280,000 teacher layoffs,while keeping cops and firefighters on the job.
Modernizing at least 35,000 public schools across the country,supporting new science labs, Internet-ready classrooms and renovations at schools across the country, in rural and urban areas.
Immediate investments in infrastructure and a bipartisan National Infrastructure Bank, modernizing our roads, rail, airports and waterways while putting hundreds of thousands of workers back on the job.
A New “Project Rebuild”, which will put people to work rehabilitating homes, businesses and communities, leveraging private capital and scaling land banks and other public-private collaborations.
Expanding access to high-speed wireless as part of a plan for freeing up the nation’s spectrum.

All of these create jobs. At least temporarily. And they fix things that desperately need to be fixed.

We await your objections with baited breath. or is it bated breath?

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-08/politics/obama.plan.overview_1_unemployed-workers-tax-credit-wage-insurance?_s=PM:POLITICS

And again at CNN. SHAME !!:liar:

ArlJim78

09-10-2011, 12:48 PM

AiJim78, from your article

'As President Obama faced an uphill battle in Congress to win support even for portions of the plan, many employers dismissed the notion that any particular TAX BREAK or incentive would be persuasive. Instead, they said they tended to hire more workers or expand when the economy improved. "

This seems a strange position for any business to take wouldn't you say? They don't need tax breaks (there goes the Republicans).

They want people to spend money? Think the Government should close down the Post Office and stop spending do you. Guess what? Some economist say the Government is the only one spending now , therefore needs to spend more not less.

newtothegame now how many times have I read this:

'Mosty mosty mosty.....are you ok? Meds? Run out of prescriptions??"

talk about same old tired words even you must admit this is getting a little old and tired.
No it's not strange at all, and they aren't saying they don't need or wouldn't welcome a tax break. what is being offered is a one time credit if they hire someone who has been laid off. and yes any business who does so while this plan is in effect will apply for the credit, because hey why not if they're giving money away. the point that is being made is that its the general economic conditions and each businesses confidence that they are healthy enough to justify the hiring which will determine if they hire, not the tax credit.
the tax credit doesn't change those conditions. so it amounts to simply giving away money to businesses, Im sure there is some small stimulative effect as a result, but it certainly isn't going to energize a greater amount of hiring. except maybe scammers because there are always scammers when the government is passing out money.

The Judge

09-10-2011, 01:01 PM

I merely took an excerpt from an article posted by ArlJim.

If by "BUSINESS DRIVEN" you mean someone has to buy something I agree. All I want to know is if consumers aren't spending , businesses aren't spending whose left? The Government !!!

bigmack

09-10-2011, 01:09 PM

The one tax cut that might not pass is the "returning heros" The GOP while it can't say enough about how great our soldiers almost never does any thing that would actually help them.
And Reagan ruined farmers. Bla, bla, bla.

boxcar

09-10-2011, 01:11 PM

continuing:
2. Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America

#2 is only a half-truth -- AT BEST. It would have been more accurate and truthful to have said, "Putting BLACK Workers Back on the Job...". Now, before you accuse me of making a racist kinda remark, read the following:

Maxine Waters: Congressional Black Caucus ‘Handprint All Over’ Obama’s Jobs Plan

Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters lauded President Obama for his new jobs plan — dubbed the American Jobs Act — and stated her view that the president clearly took the Congressional Black Caucus’ postions into account when crafting the proposal.

“He heard us. As a matter of fact we can see our hand print all over this proposal. We’re pleased about it,” Waters said Friday on MSNBC.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/maxine-waters-congressional-black-caucus-handprint-all-over-obamas-jobs-plan/

We can be dead certain that if this lunatic, racist, left-wing extremist is all happy and giddy over BO's plan, it cannot be good for mainstream America.

Boxcar

The Judge

09-10-2011, 01:12 PM

this was a direct "copy" from your article it says that the business community wants people to spend money not they don't want "any PARTICULAR tax break."

Where do you think this money that the people need to spend will come from?

mostpost

09-10-2011, 01:14 PM

If you want the truth of the matter, Obama had to change the date because HE screwed up royally ! (Haven't I said that his teleprompter is smarter than he is!? :rolleyes: ) Obama's plan was clearly to upstage the Republican debate, but he shot himself in the foot, forgetting (or totally ignorant of the fact) that he had to take the Congressional Calendar into consideration prior to scheduling his speech Obama wanted to circumvent House Parliamentary Procedure, while also forgetting about the insurmountable logistical problems that such a short notice would impose upon the House.

The "brightest man in the room" embarrassed himself with his own stupidity. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

One cannot overstate the insignificance of the Republican debate. If you think Obama cared even the tiniest bit about upstaging it you are delusional. Why upstage something that no one is paying attention to?

bigmack

09-10-2011, 01:17 PM

One cannot overstate the insignificance of the Republican debate. If you think Obama cared even the tiniest bit about upstaging it you are delusional. Why upstage something that no one is paying attention to?
Why oh why is it insignificant and when you say no one is paying attention do you mean not one person watched?

Thanks in advance to your wisdom.

newtothegame

09-10-2011, 01:23 PM

You posted the above at 3:26 AM. You must have been sleeping. It does not cost $4M a year. That would be impossible. See my post #146 to McSchell racing.

Further proof that the $4M is a one time payment comes in the very story you linked to. $1M of the funds comes from the Obama stimulus plan. Those funds are in the form of a grant not a continuing fund.

Now I find I was somewhat in error here. I thought this was a rehab. It is in fact a new building. That is further proof the $4M was spent to construct the building and not to operate it.
I really could care less what you think (as you told us republicans, remember??), READ THE STORY! I didnt choose to pick the one year time line. If you dont believe it, thats fine. But I am sure you can show us a story to the contrary! :lol:

mostpost

09-10-2011, 01:30 PM

Good God, Mosties using Geraldo's material:
And again at CNN. SHAME !!

I'm looking at the above quotes and wondering what is he babbling about?
I think I figured it out. You think I am posting copyrighted material without attribution. I think you're nuts. All that material was put out by the White House, not by either CNN or FOX. I copied it from Elysiantraveler's post #41 in this thread. If ET copyrighted his post, you may have an argument, otherwise.......

lsbets

09-10-2011, 01:51 PM

One cannot overstate the insignificance of the Republican debate. If you think Obama cared even the tiniest bit about upstaging it you are delusional. Why upstage something that no one is paying attention to?

Bullshit. In the world of politics that debate was huge. The White House picked the date intentionally. When I first heard it, I thought, wow, what a strong move. Then Boehner said, sorry come the next day. Of course Obama caved, and once again showed that he is the weakest man to ever sit in the Oval Office. There were a lot of ways that he could have shot back and come out looking strong, but he doesn't have it in him.

That was obvious to most everyone looking at it, but once again you come armed with excuses.

cj's dad

09-10-2011, 01:54 PM

I cut and pasted the reply into google and it came up Fox (Geraldo) and CNN.

YOU posted it as though it was your thoughts. Since I know you are not that smart, I checked and what do you know, I was right. AGAIN !! :cool:

boxcar

09-10-2011, 02:16 PM

One cannot overstate the insignificance of the Republican debate. If you think Obama cared even the tiniest bit about upstaging it you are delusional. Why upstage something that no one is paying attention to?

Two things. First, this strategy would have fit perfectly with this narcissist's psychological profile. This is a guy who cannot handle competition. Remember when he ran for the Senate. He ran against NO ONE!

Secodly, your delusional, as usual! Tell that to MSNBC. They got their highest ratings of the season -- 5.4 million. (Talk about irony!) More than 5 mil watched it on Fox. On CNN, 3.1 mil. So, just these three networks alone garnered about 13.5 million viewers.

But since you brought up "insignificance", you would have done far better to have applied your remarks to your messiah who owns the bully pulpit:

Obama TV ratings drop for joint session speech – lowest ever!!

President Obama’s jobs speech represented the lowest ratings he’s received for any address to a joint session of Congress of his presidency.

The speech garnered 31.5 million viewers, according to the website TVbythenumbers, which was slightly lower than his Sept. 2009 health care speech to Congress, which drew 32.1 million viewers and is probably the fairest comparison.

And that number dropped from his high back on February 2009 of 52.4 mil to the Joint Session. But that wasn't his highest number either. His highest number (not to the Joint Session) was 56.5 mil when he announced the death of his Muslim soul mate bin Laden. (Goes to show that people like to listen to good news and not the run-of-the-mill drivel he's been dishing out these last 2-1/2 years or so.)

So, you tell me, who is becoming increasingly irrelevant and insignificant!

Boxcar

Tom

09-10-2011, 03:22 PM

Who cares if the Republican date was already set. We are talking country vs. party.

There was nothing pressing in that "save my job" speech. No bill exists, no specific text exists. It was a campaign speech designed to create sound bites for future commercials. Nothing there that could not have been posted on the net Tuesday. He was pandering to the simpleton voting block.

mostpost

09-10-2011, 03:43 PM

Two things. First, this strategy would have fit perfectly with this narcissist's psychological profile. This is a guy who cannot handle competition. Remember when he ran for the Senate. He ran against NO ONE!
He ran against Allen Keyes. Oh! You're right!! He ran against nobody. :rolleyes: But to say he only runs against weak opponents is nonsense. His original opponent was Jack Ryan who was a very strong candidate.

Secodly, your delusional, as usual! Tell that to MSNBC. They got their highest ratings of the season -- 5.4 million. (Talk about irony!) More than 5 mil watched it on Fox. On CNN, 3.1 mil. So, just these three networks alone garnered about 13.5 million viewers.
So it was watched by 20% of the people who voted for John McCain in 2008. In other words nobody of significance.

But since you brought up "insignificance", you would have done far better to have applied your remarks to your messiah who owns the bully pulpit:

Obama TV ratings drop for joint session speech – lowest ever!!

President Obama’s jobs speech represented the lowest ratings he’s received for any address to a joint session of Congress of his presidency.

The speech garnered 31.5 million viewers, according to the website TVbythenumbers, which was slightly lower than his Sept. 2009 health care speech to Congress, which drew 32.1 million viewers and is probably the fairest comparison.

And that number dropped from his high back on February 2009 of 52.4 mil to the Joint Session. But that wasn't his highest number either. His highest number (not to the Joint Session) was 56.5 mil when he announced the death of his Muslim soul mate bin Laden. (Goes to show that people like to listen to good news and not the run-of-the-mill drivel he's been dishing out these last 2-1/2 years or so.)

So, you tell me, who is becoming increasingly irrelevant and insignificant!

Boxcar

Do I really have to explain why the numbers were lower. Half the country were either at work or on their way home from work. You can't compare the audience for a speech which takes place at 9 Eastern to one that starts at 7.

bigmack

09-10-2011, 03:49 PM

Do I really have to explain why the numbers were lower. Half the country were either at work or on their way home from work. You can't compare the audience for a speech which takes place at 9 Eastern to one that starts at 7.
Perfect timing locally. 10 minutes before "Mr. Hope" yapped, power went out.

Lucky me, I was in the car and picked it up on an LA rad station. Each time he exclaimed "Pass this Bill!", I passed another car on the highway, waving to the driver, "Hey, Bill."

I lost count of how many times he said it, but I made record time. :jump:

boxcar

09-10-2011, 03:56 PM

Do I really have to explain why the numbers were lower. Half the country were either at work or on their way home from work. You can't compare the audience for a speech which takes place at 9 Eastern to one that starts at 7.

Yeah, and do I have to explain whose fault that was? :lol: :lol: He shot himself in both feet when he tried to pull a fast one on the House. Of course, he could have waited until 9, and he might have gotten a few people to pull away from the football game. Then he could have added to his Blame List, the NFL for giving him exceedingly low viewership numbers. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

Saratoga_Mike

09-10-2011, 03:59 PM

Box,

I thought the Bible instructs us to pray for our leaders? How are you doing on that count? It seems like you've failed miserably.

Greyfox

09-10-2011, 04:28 PM

Box,

I thought the Bible instructs us to pray for our leaders? How are you doing on that count? It seems like you've failed miserably.

Not so. A leader is someone who shows leadership. Box is okay re: prayer.

hcap

09-10-2011, 04:35 PM

Box,

I thought the Bible instructs us to pray for our leaders? How are you doing on that count? It seems like you've failed miserably.

I mentioned this last week when box thought Ecclesiastes was all about free market capitalism.

Of course he told me he never cursed the king and unlike Tom, who likes to use POS often, was always in tune with this verse

King James Bible

Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

.................................................. ..........

I have to give box credit for the second part however. He never curses the rich. He reserves that for the poor.Fills up a hell of a lot of his bedchamber I imagine

elysiantraveller

09-10-2011, 04:46 PM

Two things. First, this strategy would have fit perfectly with this narcissist's psychological profile. This is a guy who cannot handle competition. Remember when he ran for the Senate. He ran against NO ONE!

Secodly, your delusional, as usual! Tell that to MSNBC. They got their highest ratings of the season -- 5.4 million. (Talk about irony!) More than 5 mil watched it on Fox. On CNN, 3.1 mil. So, just these three networks alone garnered about 13.5 million viewers.

But since you brought up "insignificance", you would have done far better to have applied your remarks to your messiah who owns the bully pulpit:

Obama TV ratings drop for joint session speech – lowest ever!!

President Obama’s jobs speech represented the lowest ratings he’s received for any address to a joint session of Congress of his presidency.

The speech garnered 31.5 million viewers, according to the website TVbythenumbers, which was slightly lower than his Sept. 2009 health care speech to Congress, which drew 32.1 million viewers and is probably the fairest comparison.

And that number dropped from his high back on February 2009 of 52.4 mil to the Joint Session. But that wasn't his highest number either. His highest number (not to the Joint Session) was 56.5 mil when he announced the death of his Muslim soul mate bin Laden. (Goes to show that people like to listen to good news and not the run-of-the-mill drivel he's been dishing out these last 2-1/2 years or so.)

So, you tell me, who is becoming increasingly irrelevant and insignificant!

Boxcar

It was also the beginning of the NFL season.

skate

09-10-2011, 05:09 PM

You're giving yourself WAY too much credit.

For years Tom has been kind enough to congratulate you on victories and you come in here and accuse him of that? Shame on you. :ThmbDown:

welp...you have that "well said"

But you know, i shouldn't jump in here at this point, but i will, just to say that what mcsmell really did was to point out what it takes to become so "Left".

Errors aside, when given some facts, we should concede when we are wrong, you give the people on the left a complete sketch of the facts and somehow they just dont understand.

welp Mcsmell came accross, after some prompting, so i congratulate him.

the-skate, being without error, can just think about how tough that must be.

skate

09-10-2011, 05:11 PM

Box,

I thought the Bible instructs us to pray for our leaders? How are you doing on that count? It seems like you've failed miserably.

he look...the next bus, take it and dont get off...ever,:D

boxcar

09-10-2011, 05:39 PM

It was also the beginning of the NFL season.

Cry me a river, why don't you? As I told Mosty, shame all over Obama because when he played his juvenile political game with Boehner, he unwittingly shot himself in both feet!

Of course, BO always had the option of waiting until the prime time slot on Friday, then he could have put on his Blame List -- "the weekend -- the commoners' time to play".

And then there was always the truly smart option: He could have cut short his vacation and gave his speech over the airwaves, and forgotten about the joint session nonsense and just focused on addressing Americans at prime time with no conflicts of any nature. Who knows: He might have gained 500,000 more viewers? :)

Boxcar

Tom

09-10-2011, 05:43 PM

Box,

I thought the Bible instructs us to pray for our leaders? How are you doing on that count? It seems like you've failed miserably.

It is laughable to call Obama a leader! :lol::lol::lol:

boxcar

09-10-2011, 05:54 PM

Box,

I thought the Bible instructs us to pray for our leaders? How are you doing on that count? It seems like you've failed miserably.

"Seems" is the operative word in your post.

Besides, I have committed to memory Ps 109:6-13, and there is no better book in the bible to consult for prayers than the Psalms.

Boxcar

PaceAdvantage

09-10-2011, 06:32 PM

Show me. Not including use of the word "goofy".Look for yourself. It's all here...all the way back to March 2001.

elysiantraveller

09-11-2011, 01:29 AM

Cry me a river, why don't you?

I'm not crying you a river I'm just telling you that the beginning of the NFL season hurt ratings too. I didn't watch the speech, I watched the game, because I knew it would be on youtube the second it was over.

If you don't think the fact the NFL game was on hurt its ratings you are a fool.

Tom

09-11-2011, 08:19 AM

Didn't the game start after the speech?

Either way, it shows the importance the PEOPLE put on this fool's campaign speech. :lol:

boxcar

09-13-2011, 06:16 PM

I'm not crying you a river I'm just telling you that the beginning of the NFL season hurt ratings too. I didn't watch the speech, I watched the game, because I knew it would be on youtube the second it was over.

If you don't think the fact the NFL game was on hurt its ratings you are a fool.

Yeah, it hurt and it's HIS fault! What part of this don't you understand? He played his stupid game and wound up shooting himself in both feet!

Meanwhile, the rest of the poor nation that was deprived of seeing him and listening to his speech had a chance these last few days to play catch up and to read all about it, or see it on UTubee, etc. And what has his fantastic announcement done for his ratings? Nothing! No uptick! Flat! People just aren't very excited about this guy anymore. His veneer has rubbed off. There's no more sizzle to him. He's becoming as insignificant to mainstream America as a tick on a rump of a bull elephant.

Obama speech didn't boost approval

President Obama's major jobs speech last week has not moved the needle on his approval ratings, according to the Gallup tracking poll.

The three-day tracking average stood at 43 percent approval on Sept. 8, and remains stuck there as of Monday. Disapproval, meanwhile, has ticked up 1 percentage point from 49 percent to 50 percent.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/sep/13/obama-speech-didnt-boost-approval/

Boxcar

newtothegame

09-15-2011, 01:05 AM

It's the rethugs who are blocking all the measures...the party of "no"...the party who is for big corporations keeping this bill from passing (as in the past with other bills)....
Ohhh wait....dayum...it's not the rethugs lol...

Hill Dems pick apart Obama jobs plan
By: Manu Raju
September 14, 2011 04:59 AM EDT

President Barack Obama’s new jobs plan (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62792.html) is hitting some unexpected turbulence in the halls of Congress: lawmakers from his own party.

As he demands Congress quickly approve his ambitious proposal aimed at reviving the sagging economy, many Democrats on Capitol Hill appear far from sold that the president has the right antidote to spur major job growth and turn around their party’s political fortunes.

“Terrible,” Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) told POLITICO when asked about the president’s ideas for how to pay for the $450 billion price tag. “We shouldn’t increase taxes on ordinary income. … There are other ways to get there.”

“That offset is not going to fly, and he should know that,” said Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu from the energy-producing Louisiana, referring to Obama’s elimination of oil and gas subsidies. “Maybe it’s just for his election, which I hope isn’t the case.”

“I think the best jobs bill that can be passed is a comprehensive long-term deficit-reduction plan,” said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), discussing proposals to slash the debt by $4 trillion by overhauling entitlement programs and raising revenue through tax reforms. “That’s better than everything else the president is talking about — combined.”

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DEF91CE7-00CC-4D50-8666-DA41AEF46CB6

and more Dems who are opposed....read at the link...lol

boxcar

09-15-2011, 07:07 PM

Meanwhile, while each passing day brings us closer to the elections, here's more bad news for Team BO in the form of a trifecta:

Jobless Claims, Inflation Rise, Manufacturing Gets Weaker

Applications for unemployment benefits continued to rise in the past week, while inflation pushed higher and a key manufacturing index weakened.

Getty Images
The weekly jobless claims number, which is closely watched as an indicator for employment trends, unexpectedly rose 11,000 to 428,000, well ahead of estimates of 411,000.

"UNEXPECTEDLY rose"? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Gotta love the MM -- all negative news is always, always prefaced with "unexpectedly".

The consumer price index, meanwhile, gained 0.4 percent when including volatile food and energy prices, after an increase of 0.5 percent in July. The so-called core CPI, though, gained 0.2 percent, which was in line with expectations.

Consumers paid more for a range of goods and services last month, pushing up inflation and squeezing Americans' purchasing power.

For the 12 months ending in August, the core index surged 2 percent, the biggest year-over-year increase in nearly three years. That's at the top end of the Federal Reserve's informal inflation [cnbc explains] target. It could limit the central bank's ability to take further steps to try to revive the economy.

Food prices rose 0.5 percent, the biggest increase since March. That was due to higher prices for cereals and dairy products. Energy costs increased 1.2 percent.

"The large CPI gain in the face of weakening confidence, slowing consumer spending and softening production provides a poor backdrop for expansion," said Citigroup economist Steven C. Wieting in a note to clients.

Other indicators from a major government data release this moring also were not not encouraging: New York manufacturing activity contracted in September for the fourth consecutive month.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44532025

But I'm so thankful for Porkulous One. Things would be so much worse without it. :rolleyes:

Boxcar