Minority Majority...son soon soon

[skate]

The U.S. has long been on its way toward becoming “majority minority” country.
European ancestry make up less than 50% of the population, soon. Between 2000 and 2010, minorities accounted for 98% of the population growth in large metropolitan areas. This expansion has caused big shifts in racial composition: Between 1990 and 2010, the share of the white population in big metropolitan areas fell to 57% from 71%.

[skate]

Well it will be nice to have the advantage of ‘minority’ status… preferential treatment… getting jobs, getting into college, etc.

Or will suddenly the meaning of simple mathematics and the words minority and majority change? I guess it depends on what the meaning of is… is.:confused:

[Robert Goren]

I just hope they treat us better than we treated them. Payback could be a bitch.

[skate]

I just hope they treat us better than we treated them. Payback could be a bitch.

Welppers there Robert, you gots a mighty good point and back to ya.

Funny, i dont know if anyone would be at fault, but but but we can consider that the people South of the USA, when they (Spainish etc.) came to the Americas, they treated the People already there...not so nice.

as a matter of fact they (S. Amer) made the first , second and third settlers from N. Amer look rather friendly.
AND and and ... it wasnt even close.

[bigmack]

I just hope they treat us better than we treated them. Payback could be a bitch.
Your brain works in strange ways.

[hcap]

Immigrants—some 25 million between 1860 and 1920—mostly arrived by boat through New York Harbor.

At the time the population of the US was approx 76 million. Many of our grandparents were part of that wave of 25 million.

[Tom]

I just hope they treat us better than we treated them. Payback could be a bitch.

Yes, after we went and welcomed them to the greatest nation on the face of the earth, gave them freedom, and all that other rotten stuff.

You ever see people sneaking OUT of the country?

[Tom]

Immigrants—some 25 million between 1860 and 1920—mostly arrived by boat through New York Harbor.

At the time the population of the US was approx 76 million. Many of our grandparents were part of that wave of 25 million.

The good old days, when they did it legally. And the call us racists for trying protect our borders. Out record speaks for itself. As does that of Mexico - the butt hole of N America.

[jelly]

I just hope they treat us better than we treated them. Payback could be a bitch.



Who's them?

[Marshall Bennett]

the share of the white population in big metropolitan areas fell to 57% from 71%.
And the crime rate in those cities collectively rose 14%. :D

[hcap]

And the crime rate in those cities collectively rose 14%. :D
I don't think that is correct.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/dont-fear-the-city-urban-americas-crime-drops-to-lowest-in-40-years/239366/

A new FBI report reveals that big cities are the safest they've been in decades

[hcap]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/national-crime-statistics_n_799099.html

WASHINGTON — Reports of violent and property crimes continued to decline in the first half of 2010, according to preliminary crime report released by the FBI Monday.

The FBI's semiannual uniform crime report shows that reports of violent crime dropped 6.2 percent from January to June and property crime reports were down 2.8 percent.

The dip in reported crimes follows a three-year trend of decreasing crime rates despite a sagging economy.

According to the FBI, murders dropped 7.1 percent in the first six months of 2010 while robberies decreased by 10.7 percent. Reports of vehicle thefts also dropped by 9.7 percent.

FBI crime reports have shown a steady decrease in crimes rates since 2008. In the annual report for 2009, released in September, reports of violent crimes dropped 5.3 percent and reported property crimes fell 4.6 percent.

[Tom]

The dip in reported crimes follows a three-year trend of decreasing crime rates despite a sagging economy.

Nobody got nuthin' worth takin' no more!

[Marshall Bennett]

I don't think that is correct.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/dont-fear-the-city-urban-americas-crime-drops-to-lowest-in-40-years/239366/

A new FBI report reveals that big cities are the safest they've been in decades
Was intended to be a joke. Now you've wasted all this time correcting what was intended to be a joke. Lighten up a little hcap. Smile.

[Marshall Bennett]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/national-crime-statistics_n_799099.html

WASHINGTON — Reports of violent and property crimes continued to decline in the first half of 2010, according to preliminary crime report released by the FBI Monday.

The FBI's semiannual uniform crime report shows that reports of violent crime dropped 6.2 percent from January to June and property crime reports were down 2.8 percent.

The dip in reported crimes follows a three-year trend of decreasing crime rates despite a sagging economy.

According to the FBI, murders dropped 7.1 percent in the first six months of 2010 while robberies decreased by 10.7 percent. Reports of vehicle thefts also dropped by 9.7 percent.

FBI crime reports have shown a steady decrease in crimes rates since 2008. In the annual report for 2009, released in September, reports of violent crimes dropped 5.3 percent and reported property crimes fell 4.6 percent.
See post #14.

[hcap]

I am smiling. I am so used to correcting misinformation posted by conservatives here, I assumed it was just another booboo. :)

[BlueShoe]

The U.S. has long been on its way toward becoming “majority minority” country.
European ancestry make up less than 50% of the population, soon.
Not quite. According to the 2010 census, 72.4% of us are white, 63.7% non Hispanic white. 16.3% are Hispanic or Latino. Predictions by radical Latino activists about a Hispanic majority in the near future is utter nonsense. Birthrates of Latino/Hispanic women is declining, and is expected to closely equal white women in a few years. The only state with a Hispanic majority is New Mexico, although California may reach this status by mid century. No state has a Black majority or is expected to do so. Mississippi has highest percentage of Black residents, 37%.

[skate]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/national-crime-statistics_n_799099.html

WASHINGTON — Reports of violent and property crimes continued to decline in the first half of 2010, according to preliminary crime report released by the FBI Monday.

The FBI's semiannual uniform crime report shows that reports of violent crime dropped 6.2 percent from January to June and property crime reports were down 2.8 percent.

The dip in reported crimes follows a three-year trend of decreasing crime rates despite a sagging economy.

According to the FBI, murders dropped 7.1 percent in the first six months of 2010 while robberies decreased by 10.7 percent. Reports of vehicle thefts also dropped by 9.7 percent.

FBI crime reports have shown a steady decrease in crimes rates since 2008. In the annual report for 2009, released in September, reports of violent crimes dropped 5.3 percent and reported property crimes fell 4.6 percent.

Has everything to do with sending the Immigrants home.

Same ratio.

[skate]

Not quite. According to the 2010 census, 72.4% of us are white, 63.7% non Hispanic white. 16.3% are Hispanic or Latino. Predictions by radical Latino activists about a Hispanic majority in the near future is utter nonsense. Birthrates of Latino/Hispanic women is declining, and is expected to closely equal white women in a few years. The only state with a Hispanic majority is New Mexico, although California may reach this status by mid century. No state has a Black majority or is expected to do so. Mississippi has highest percentage of Black residents, 37%.


Quite so...on update.


–An earlier report (http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2011/0826_census_race_frey.aspx) from Mr. Frey showed that while “majority minority” status is still a few decades away, THAT DAY IS ALREADY HERE FOR BABIES. “The new Census results show 49.8% of infants under age one are members of a race-ethnic minority — up from 42.4% in 2000,” Mr. Frey writes. “Given this trajectory, and the fact that the Census was taken well over a year ago, it is almost certain we have now ‘tipped’ racially, and more than half of all national births are minorities.” (See a map showing the difference between the minority population among babies and seniors. (http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/08/31/u-s-moves-closer-to-minority-majority/tab/interactive/))

Why did you show BLACK status?

[BlueShoe]

Why did you show BLACK status? ??? :confused: The topic is minority population trends in the US. African-Americans comprise 13% of our population, and are therefore a minority. Is there a disagreement or conflict somewhere?

[Marshall Bennett]

Too bad they're not only 13% of our prison population. We wouldn't be building so many.

[skate]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/national-crime-statistics_n_799099.html

WASHINGTON — Reports of violent and property crimes continued to decline in the first half of 2010, according to preliminary crime report released by the FBI Monday.

The FBI's semiannual uniform crime report shows that reports of violent crime dropped 6.2 percent from January to June and property crime reports were down 2.8 percent.

The dip in reported crimes follows a three-year trend of decreasing crime rates despite a sagging economy.

According to the FBI, murders dropped 7.1 percent in the first six months of 2010 while robberies decreased by 10.7 percent. Reports of vehicle thefts also dropped by 9.7 percent.

FBI crime reports have shown a steady decrease in crimes rates since 2008. In the annual report for 2009, released in September, reports of violent crimes dropped 5.3 percent and reported property crimes fell 4.6 percent.

let's see if we can't delve into this a little.

my thinking has it that as you say the crime rate has been going down for as far back as we have records.

also, S. Amer and Asian people, i address them only because it would be more in line with the immigration situation, we could include Russian, French, English or even Africa/Blacks, but they are fewer in number, so for the motive of addressing "minority/Majority" i'll only include them (S. Amer/Asian).

This will help others from 'Detterring' from the path. :cool:

Here we go babe...the people we are talking about have built into their customs , just what we (USA) are losing, that being ethics, morals and religious backrounds. Their overal condition both mental and physical is set higher than ours (USA).

Resulting in a lower crime rate.

But but but, to me that is not where the problemo resides. These are very fine people and i so stated, over and over.
The problem is what looks(future) to be "too much supply" vs "demand".
We have too many people looking for cheap work, which in turn lets the employer cut pay scale. The economy has not been able to Flow naturely.

So, if im correct, we must stop or send people away, it is not the fault of the people. To achieve a normal pay scale, one which keeps up with the higher cost of running the Gov. we need less supply of workers.
Otherwise the country goes under. Years ago the country needed People, not so today.

Now we do have an alternative. We could promote a "Freedom Bus" ride whereupon we deliver outside this country, those people such as Mostly Toasted, Hiccups, redshoe,Barney and Dodd, Shummer and FishBellieBill, along with some others.:)

[skate]

??? :confused: The topic is minority population trends in the US. African-Americans comprise 13% of our population, and are therefore a minority. Is there a disagreement or conflict somewhere?


oh i dont know. i thinking that the Black people have been around 12% for about 200 years, but if you are correct and we should include everyone...well then you missed some.

i was thinking more to the tune of immigration and birth rate, maybe being too high.

the-skate covers Much, but i like cut back on the ink:cool:

[hcap]

Too bad they're not only 13% of our prison population. We wouldn't be building so many.
Funny thing is South Africa under Apartheid was internationally condemned as a racist society. How come the leader of the "free world" locks up its Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than the most openly racist country in the world?

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/images/internationalinc.jpg

Now if we just look at gender. All males get locked up at a tremendous rate. And the ratio is more significant than black/white. What do you propose we do?

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/images/genderinc.jpg

So many criminals. No wonder we are going broke. Maybe re-institute Devils Island. That way we leave 'em and forget 'em. Save a bundle

[BlueShoe]

How come the leader of the "free world" locks up its Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than the most openly racist country in the world?
Could the fact that in the USA black males commit crimes at a rate eight times that of white males possibly have something to do with it?

[johnhannibalsmith]

...
You ever see people sneaking OUT of the country?

46Zilzal?

[hcap]

Could the fact that in the USA black males commit crimes at a rate eight times that of white males possibly have something to do with it?You did mot answer the question. Crime and murder was rampant ib South Africa under apartheid.

Explain this....

Western and Central Europe homicide rate = 1.5 per 100,000 people.

Canada is 1.85 per 100,000.

USA is 6.1 per 100,000 people.

.................................................


With less than 5% of world population the USA has over 2.4 million of 9.8 million world prisoners! The majority of U.S. inmates are in due to the drug war.

[lsbets]

Could the fact that in the USA black males commit crimes at a rate eight times that of white males possibly have something to do with it?

Could it be that the War on Poverty followed by the War on Drugs led to the breakdown of the black family in the inner city and the corresponding increase in crime and incarceration rates? End the war on drugs and the crime and incarceration rates plummet.

[Marshall Bennett]

hcap, go on a tour of urban Detroit, St. Louis or Memphis and come back with your bleeding heart antics. Tell me blacks haven't made a difference. The blacks that are locked up is through a justice system everyone flys by, regardless of race. This isn't an issue along party lines, it's bold cold facts my friend.

[hcap]

But why is the US homicide rate so much worse
than our industrialized counterparts?

The "War on Poverty" is a set of safety net programs. All the European countries and Canada show 1/4-1/6 the murder rate, yet have instituted much larger safety nets. The war on drugs and the breakdown of family structure does contribute, but I suspect there are other historical/cultural issues

[hcap]

hcap, go on a tour of urban Detroit, St. Louis or Memphis and come back with your bleeding heart antics. Tell me blacks haven't made a difference. The blacks that are locked up is through a justice system everyone flys by, regardless of race. This isn't an issue along party lines, it's bold cold facts my friend.
Nothing wrong with bleeding from the heart.

Unless it"s a coronary event

[Tom]

What does the USA have that south Africa does not?


Democrats.

Move along, nothing here to see.

[jelly]

I've been in dozens of Black homes in the ghetto and it is shocking how much more articulate the older generations is to the current one.



The rise of Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates and Democrat control of most major citys probably has something to do with it.

[skate]

46Zilzal?

:D

[hcap]

I've been in dozens of Black homes in the ghetto and it is shocking how much more articulate the older generations is to the current one.

The rise of Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates and Democrat control of most major citys probably has something to do with it.

How do you knuckledraggers explain this

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/images/genderinc.jpg
Giving women the right to vote? Maybe men were so pissed off they had to take out there frustrations by killing their wives more often? No one yet has explained why homicide rates in more "socialistic" countries is way less than the USA.

Western and Central Europe homicide rate = 1.5 per 100,000 people.

Canada is 1.85 per 100,000.

USA is 6.1 per 100,000 people.


Mind control?

[skate]

But why is the US homicide rate so much worse
than our industrialized counterparts?

The "War on Poverty" is a set of safety net programs. All the European countries and Canada show 1/4-1/6 the murder rate, yet have instituted much larger safety nets. The war on drugs and the breakdown of family structure does contribute, but I suspect there are other historical/cultural issues

we have a spoiled part of our population-ality. and it is getting worse.

How do you spoil? how, with a whip or jail? you tell me...pa pa palease.

And once there...now what?
Hint;
Nutter and the-Coz give you correct lead.

teen black unemp. is now 46.4% and climbin...a;)

[skate]

How do you knuckledraggers explain this


Giving women the right to vote? Maybe men were so pissed off they had to take out there frustrations by killing their wives more often? No one yet has explained why homicide rates in more "socialistic" countries is way less than the USA.



Mind control?


Capitalism should equal freedom, which lets people "do-dare-ting".

Socialism equals more control, which "da-dent let people do-dar-ting"

i'll say it this way... so as you can claim it was your Idea.:kiss: so..dont tell...;)

[Tom]

The democrats have done everything then can to destroy morals and vaules. Now you whine and cry when you get the kind of country you wished for?

[hcap]

skate, assuming I understand what you are trying to say, "more freedom allows more murders", why is the homicide rate here 5x other countries? Are you saying Canada's political system is 5x more "socialistic" and mind controlling?

What about the steep discrepancy between genders? Woman, I guess are swayed more by socialistic government propaganda?

[hcap]

The democrats have done everything then can to destroy morals and vaules. Now you whine and cry when you get the kind of country you wished for?Have the other countries with stronger Democratic/Socialistic forms of government somehow raised morals and vaules?

[Tom]

Have the other countries with stronger Democratic/Socialistic forms of government somehow raised morals and vaules?

No one has democrats like ours.

[hcap]

How about the French? Lately you admire countries you wanted to nuke. And if I remember correctly, that included every country including New Jersey :)

[skate]

skate, assuming I understand what you are trying to say, "more freedom allows more murders", why is the homicide rate here 5x other countries? Are you saying Canada's political system is 5x more "socialistic" and mind controlling?

What about the steep discrepancy between genders? Woman, I guess are swayed more by socialistic government propaganda?

Woman swayed by Propaganda...yep and we (USA) have been Feminined.

Look...with more freedom comes more responsibility

and when you take the responsibility away thru spoiling, as in giving away the property of others to those being spoiled, you end up with the spoiled people developing a "me First because i'm entitled" attitude, hence spoiled.
and with less responsibility comes less morality, hence the ethics take a back seat. Therefore, here and forever more, You betcha...when you lose the morals/ethics...bingo==more murders...yeppers.

You see, im thinking when i say something that's real simple, you and others can read between the lines somewhat.

[skate]

Have the other countries with stronger Democratic/Socialistic forms of government somehow raised morals and vaules?


you cant just take ONE part/section of an economy or country and make IT fit another society without seeing what else is happening with that society, such as the mode of living.

The higher living mode(so called mode) will bring along with Capitalism an openess to everything, crime included.
that does mean that crime will be higher, but you'll need a higher moral/ethics when you have a lower judicial restraint

[hcap]

skate, although i don''t agree with Tom 99% of the time I understand him 99% of the time. I have made an effort to understand, you but alas it may be an impossible task.

Anyway, you can explain your last 2 posts without giving me a headache?

[Tom]

Must be the 1% you miss with me, because I understand exactly wheat he is saying.;)

[hcap]

Great minds think alike.
Fill in the rest
Feeble minds ____________

Ok you explain skates' last 2 posts. And when you are finished, maybe you can lend me your skaterise/English dictionary? Include those tricky grammatical rules and how to understand gesturing which skate obviously does as he types.
(Could explain why he doesn't get that most of us miss what he is sayin')

[Tom]

Great minds think alike.
Fill in the rest
Feeble minds ____post charts___________

Ok you explain skates' last 2 posts. And when you are finished, maybe you can lend me your skaterise/English dictionary? Include those tricky grammatical rules and how to understand gesturing which skate obviously does as he types.
(Could explain why he doesn't get that most of us miss what he is sayin')

Steeeeerike! :lol::lol:

[hcap]

If I could post a chart of how often skate uses English, I would, but the X axis would probably be invisible.

So I ask once again can you explain his last 2 posts? If you feel more comfortable you may use a "lifeline" and call a friend. Even skate.

[skate]

skate, although i don''t agree with Tom 99% of the time I understand him 99% of the time. I have made an effort to understand, you but alas it may be an impossible task.

Anyway, you can explain your last 2 posts without giving me a headache?

I understand exactly what you are saying.

you are saying that you do not understand.

i understand that you do not understand.

i know , you get all excited and find issues difficult to follow, take you time, breath in, breath out, slowly.

i find similarity with people on the left and sweethearts like yourself.
After some time, issues will correctly sink into your thoughts, take your time.

Look look look... you and others do this sort often and im not being critical, but look at your last sentence "effort to understand "Comma" you but alas...", take it slow, do you see anything funny with your punctuation?

Oh, i understand you can error, but i think you do this so often that you try to get me to complain... i could care less.

i understand that you can error, don't let this be a bother.

i get a feeling of self- serving if i were to continue to point out tivialities such as SO many media people do, in order to just to try and sway thoughts with trivial...

Now... i would stop here, but im not sure if you get the message, because i know that you can become very upset... oh what the heck , time will tell.;)

[Tom]

Post #44 is one the most insightful I have ever read here at PA.
Seriously.


Read it slowly.
The go compare the USA and Nigeria on anything.

[hcap]

So skate, I inserted a comma by mistake? And therefore because I screwed up the language, you should get a pass for also screwing up the language?

Let's see, you blow up the World with a 20 megaton nuke and I step on an ant :lol:
very astute. Ok for scoring with a post I could understand, you get a pass for the dozens of others that read like Professor Irwin Corey on acid.

Be that as it may, go back and explain your previous 2 posts before you just told me I put a comma in the wrong place.

Feel free to use Tom as your "lifeline"

[Tom]

He could do worse! ;)

[hcap]

If I remember you were his lifeline buddy a few times before. :lol:

I am trying to bury the hatchet with skate. I no longer notice when he calls me "hiccups". But that doesn't mean the post # 44 is clear, particularly in context that the 3 of us had going. Or so I thought the 3 of us.

You dot recall that we were discussing murder rates in the USA 5 or 6 x greater than Europe and Canada?

I said this

skate, assuming I understand what you are trying to say, "more freedom allows more murders", why is the homicide rate here 5x other countries? Are you saying Canada's political system is 5x more "socialistic" and mind controlling?

What about the steep discrepancy between genders? Woman, I guess are swayed more by socialistic government propaganda?

Neither of you lifeline buddies answered in any cogent way.

[Rookies]

If I remember you were his lifeline buddy a few times before. :lol:

I am trying to bury the hatchet with skate. I no longer notice when he calls me "hiccups". But that doesn't mean the post # 44 is clear, particularly in context that the 3 of us had going. Or so I thought the 3 of us.

You dot recall that we were discussing murder rates in the USA 5 or 6 x greater than Europe and Canada?

I said this



Neither of you lifeline buddies answered in any cogent way.

The Cons have no answer or clue here HCap, but I'll take a shot at your question and the brave, new world of a place that has a majority of minorities. I live in it in Toronto, a city of approx 4.5 million in its total surrounding area.

Hint:the key is plural...;)

Back in the future...

[skate]

So skate, I inserted a comma by mistake? And therefore because I screwed up the language, you should get a pass for also screwing up the language?

Let's see, you blow up the World with a 20 megaton nuke and I step on an ant :lol:
very astute. Ok for scoring with a post I could understand, you get a pass for the dozens of others that read like Professor Irwin Corey on acid.

Be that as it may, go back and explain your previous 2 posts before you just told me I put a comma in the wrong place.

Feel free to use Tom as your "lifeline"

the point is not that i pointed to your mistake, noppers, you make numerous error and i ignore them.

i make Corey look passive, in my mind, because your predicate leads to baseless thought.
So rather than engross myself into an immortal impressive being, i make room for others like yourself. That way, you wont feel completly undistinctive, hence, i believe it is important to keep open dialectic.

You see, if i become clear on any issue, with someone that refuses to understand basics, then in my mind , i become offensive.

It would be hurting for ME 'the-skate' to step on an aint.;)

[skate]

So skate, I inserted a comma by mistake? And therefore because I screwed up the language, you should get a pass for also screwing up the language?

Let's see, you blow up the World with a 20 megaton nuke and I step on an ant :lol:
very astute. Ok for scoring with a post I could understand, you get a pass for the dozens of others that read like Professor Irwin Corey on acid.

Be that as it may, go back and explain your previous 2 posts before you just told me I put a comma in the wrong place.

Feel free to use Tom as your "lifeline"

aaaa A...little wake up call here...Tom is a lifeline to many on this board, but i think your "feel free...." comment , in an attempt to link Tom with skate becomes corrosive in the fact that i Know my shortside, as others also know.

while i look for the nail, Tom drives it home:cool:

[skate]

If I remember you were his lifeline buddy a few times before. :lol:

I am trying to bury the hatchet with skate. I no longer notice when he calls me "hiccups". But that doesn't mean the post # 44 is clear, particularly in context that the 3 of us had going. Or so I thought the 3 of us.

You dot recall that we were discussing murder rates in the USA 5 or 6 x greater than Europe and Canada?

I said this



Neither of you lifeline buddies answered in any cogent way.


i have no idea how you (anyone) could not see my answer.

The answer i gave says that Capitalism brings with IT, more responsibility, and without "More Responsibility" the result will be higher crime.
:)

[hcap]

The Cons have no answer or clue here HCap, but I'll take a shot at your question and the brave, new world of a place that has a majority of minorities. I live in it in Toronto, a city of approx 4.5 million in its total surrounding area.

Hint:the key is plural...;)

Back in the future...I guess you backwards Canucks are under complete Socialistic Propaganda and Mind Control, just like all the other European slave states like them Frogs and Limeys and Krauts. How else could homicide rates be less than here in Amurica?

Oh, wait! The answer is clearly spelled out by skate in his above posts. Apparently you childlike, wards of the state, stinkin' foreigners have less responsibility in the matter of who da f**k shoots who :D

[hcap]

i have no idea how you (anyone) could not see my answer.

The answer i gave says that Capitalism brings with IT, more responsibility, and without "More Responsibility" the result will be higher crime.
:)The above is not what you meant and what you meant is ridiculous

[skate]

I guess you backwards Canucks are under complete Socialistic Propaganda and Mind Control, just like all the other European slave states like them Frogs and Limeys and Krauts. How else could homicide rates be less than here in Amurica?

Oh, wait! The answer is clearly spelled out by skate in his above posts. Apparently you childlike, wards of the state, stinkin' foreigners have less responsibility in the matter of who da f**k shoots who :D


gees,,,slow down, just for me, will ya.

Look...see, i really dont like to say this, but You got what i said Backwards.:confused:

Again, If and when you have less crime, then you have more responsibility.;)

[hcap]

I am assuming you mean personal responsibility, and with that comes is more self control.

OK, so answer these questions.

1- Is responsibility related to forms of government?

2-In countries with more Socialism, do citizens have more or less responsibility than citizens in the USA?

3-If yes, how does socialism require more responsibility than more capitalistic countries?

4- If socialistic countries do not require more responsibility, what factors other than personal responsibility account for homicide rates being a fraction of what they are in the USA

[skate]

I'll try to answer

#1 More gov. = more control=less freedom=less Responsibility for a driver of a car=more responsibility for the person required to be seat belted.

Quote " When the great way is lost, there arise codes of conduct and behavior" .

I added the quote, it makes it easier to see my side, that being, the issue is not Black or White, i can give you an answer to a "Specific", but not an answer to everything in every society, mainly that is because what you ask is not set, what is in question is "Drift".
The more we drift into codes of conduct, rather than obtain Morals, the less freedomwe maintain.
With "That" Morality,virtue to guide a person, rather than a court, police, or laws comes a freedom to Move forward "not backwards", it is just a natural Human trait.
You get locked up under rules or go into jail, then you might consider killing, suicide etc., you become frustrated.



Oh sure you can argue, because the variation is so large.

You must get the drift, you dont have to go in the direction, it is your choice.

take a good look at ALL of the new rules we come under, you can see that the so called "Great Way is Lost".






4- If socialistic countries do not require more responsibility, what factors other than personal responsibility account for homicide rates being a fraction of what they are in the USA.

my answer to #4

Why....you seem to ask me this one question a lot.
Socialistic countries do require MORE under law. Hence, that law brings less freedom and it brings less freedom to kill, so it might be possible to have a lower murder rate because you have more laws and if that is best for you fine.

Here is what i would call for in order to lower the murder rate..."permit to carry" with NO law.