Do you consider the owner?

[pondman]

I've become sort of a hawk when it comes to shippers. In the last few years, I've tried to consider the owners intent.

I notice at Delaware park today (8/24), Percusionist being dropped into the 8th from Belmont. It will get slammed as a favorite (3-1)...but overtime this is a solid gold mine on it's own in this soft spot.

But the reason I'm writing this is because it's owned by Darly Stable. It seem some owners prefer to remain inconspicous-- little know trainers and jockeys (at least at Deleware.)

I'm just wonder how many people out there actually look at the owners? Would you bet a horse that was being shipped for the simple reason it was owned by a hot owner.

[PhantomOnTour]

Yes, I am one.
Owner stats are not published anywhere except for most wins, but there are other hidden gems. Some outfits are deadly with certain trainers when they try turf for the first time, others deadly with FTS, and some love to win at the big meets like SAR and KEE.

[turninforhome10]

I've become sort of a hawk when it comes to shippers. In the last few years, I've tried to consider the owners intent.

I notice at Delaware park today (8/24), Percusionist being dropped into the 8th from Belmont. It will get slammed as a favorite (3-1)...but overtime this is a solid gold mine on it's own in this soft spot.

But the reason I'm writing this is because it's owned by Darly Stable. It seem some owners prefer to remain inconspicous-- little know trainers and jockeys (at least at Deleware.)

I'm just wonder how many people out there actually look at the owners? Would you bet a horse that was being shipped for the simple reason it was owned by a hot owner.
They are looking for a spot to either win or dump the horse. Percussionist is looking for a n1x spot that he can finally win. If he can't win againiist n2l allowance n1x is way to tough. Plus the horse is 5. It looks like Darley gambled on this one and lost and wants out.
I would bet the horse if both connections trainer and owner were hitting good on the shipping and the horse is looking for an easy spot to win. This time they are just looking to recoup some money back as looking at his PPS he is cheap speed although Cal Nation and Kkan of Khans are some pretty nice horses he has been running against. Wills Afleet looks tough in this spot in for the 16k on a class drop.

And this is the 9th race at Delaware.

[pondman]

Percussionist is looking for a n1x spot that he can finally win. If he can't win againiist n2l allowance n1x is way to tough.

Be carefull about comparing New York purses with a casino purse. It's similiar to my response in other threads. Not that I encourage anyone to bet this horse because of low odds-- however over time the ROI is high for horses shipping into restricted races from New York (if it says allowance, you've got to look at it.) They dominate the fields.

Thought it was interesting of all the races possible-- this horse showing up here.

I also recommend not looking at the trainer on a drop/ship. Many of the big dollar owner pass it to a little known trainer (and jockey) when looking for a big score at a B track.

[LottaKash]

I pay attention to the "owners", when certain conditions are present...

For instance, when a horse is "owned & trained by" the same person...Especially so, if the trainer is of quality...

When the breeder is "still" the owner...I look for him journeying around from track to track, and/or continually trying to find some changing and/or favorable conditions that the horse may be eligible to...This is especially so, if the owner is also the trainer, thus giving him free reign to gypsy about...

When the owner is one, who by his past, is worth looking out for, negatively speaking that is, to see what he or they may be up to...

best,

[Ocala Mike]

I look for anything owned by Augustin Stable, nom de course of George Strawbridge, Jr. I had the dubious distinction of conducting a residency tax audit of Mr. Strawbridge back in the early 90's when I worked as an Income Tax Auditor for NY State. I believe he got a "no change" as a Pennsylvania resident.

His main man is Jonathan Sheppard, but I believe he also has some horses with Graham Motion and others at some smaller tracks.


Ocala Mike

[Marlin]

I'll pitch homebred firsters for low percentage trainers in higher class maiden races when needing to seperate contenders. My logic is that the breeder/owner considers them "pets" and typically over-evaluates the actual talent. The trainer has no choice but to race them over their heads.

[turninforhome10]

I'll pitch homebred firsters for low percentage trainers in higher class maiden races when needing to seperate contenders. My logic is that the breeder/owner considers them "pets" and typically over-evaluates the actual talent. The trainer has no choice but to race them over their heads.
I do to after looking at the produce record of the mare.

[mountainman]

I touched on the topic of owners in an article I did for Hp magazine exploring how to size up invaders. In my opinion, owners are an important and grossly overlooked part of the handicapping puzzle- most notably when a horse has recently been sold, or the listed owner, rather than the trainer of record, does the conditioning and calls the shots. There are ways of determining when this is the case.

[proximity]

in the latter part of the 2000s one mid-atlantic owner created multiple 30% + trainers.... so this can be important.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Look for the lightly raced horses from the high-end breeding farms to do well, as was pointed out by PhantomOnTour - the owners love to win there. Sometimes horses that won last meet and have performed poorly elsewhere wake up when they return to Lexington - often at big prices.

[plainolebill]

I don't track it anymore but when I did I found that some prominent owner/trainer combos would fire with FTS and another prominent owner with the same trainer would seldom win with FTS. I can only assume that was owner preference.

One example was Sadler who a few years ago almost never won with a FTS, then the Barbers gave him some horses, they were live FTS and for a while there were some nice payoffs.

[Hanover1]

Always.....

[TheGhostOfOscarB]

Guess you guys never heard of James Selvidge , "Hold You Horses".

He did work on this 0ver 30 years ago