Winter Memories WOW!

[Stillriledup]

"What a filly"

-Tom Durkin

[turninforhome10]

Best stretch move this year by any horse any where IMHO. It was only an 1/8 of a mile burst but Lezcano knows what a rocket feels like. Barely blowing afterwards. She is a gorilla turf monster. Just amazing. Better move than Frankel.

[Jasonm921]

She is a freak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poZrlkBK0hs

[Casino]

Boys next.

[BIG49010]

I don't know if she is nominated, but I would go for Bev D. at AP, that races is usually light on tallent. 750k also.

[Jasonm921]

They look to be placing her very carefully based on the conditions. With this outfit I think we may have her for a few more years if she stays healthy.

[toussaud]

she's just 3

[TravisVOX]

I'll bet two of the key targets are Garden City @ Bel and the Queen Elizabeth @ Kee... 3yoF turfers have a great summer/fall calendar to have fun with.

[Phantombridgejumpe]

did the late pick 4 pay over $100?!?!?

[Beachbabe]

I believe they're going to shoot for a Grade 1 now.

[Si2see]

did the late pick 4 pay over $100?!?!?

not even close for 50 cent, by the time all of the other scratches played out. Winter Memories was my single on 4 tickets today. All four tickets hit, and still barely paid over $200

[jognlope]

Whatever she's having.... energy and heart, wow!!

[davew]

is that the normal jockey? I was not impressed with the route taken, the horse won in spite of him.

[RXB]

Better move than Frankel.

Scratching my head here.

[turninforhome10]

While Frankel basically had the course to himself, Winter Memories got stopped horribly and exploded on the outside. Just a visually impressive move.

[RXB]

While Frankel basically had the course to himself, Winter Memories got stopped horribly and exploded on the outside. Just a visually impressive move.

Frankel dusted the best older miler in Europe. Winter Memories ran past tiring G2 3YO North American grass fillies. There is a huge difference between the two.

She was not "stopped horribly" in that race; Durkin's call was way overblown.

[turninforhome10]

Frankel dusted the best older miler in Europe. Winter Memories ran past tiring G2 3YO North American grass fillies. There is a huge difference between the two.

She was not "stopped horribly" in that race; Durkin's call was way overblown.


Performance wise Frankel was brilliant and I believe his is probably one of the best horses in the world right now, if not the best. I am truly not taking anything away from him, but that burst of speed from Winter Memories was pretty spectacular, visually. Frankel is in a league of his own and Cecil thinks he is one of the best he ever saddled.

[JustRalph]

While Frankel basically had the course to himself, Winter Memories got stopped horribly and exploded on the outside. Just a visually impressive move.

I am not one to analyze these things, but it sure looked to me like those other horses stopped really bad.

I agree it was visually impressive...........but I am a little suspect

[TheGhostOfOscarB]

Sorry, but Durkins call was profoundly overstated.

That brief steady cost WM between nothing , and maybe 1 L if you want to be generous.

That said, it was an impressive effort.

[Bettowin]

She has really become much lighter in the last 8 months. Working out in the morning BC week.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tband81/MorningWorkoutsBreederSCup2010#5537667651689178706

[MNslappy]

woooo-ho-ho-ho-hooooo! that was good.

reminds me of this one...

2007 Donn Hcp
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyInpUK2BLc)

[Jasonm921]

Oscar B. Lezcano stood straight up in the irons. How, at that moment is it overstated? Not knowing the result of the next 20 or so seconds of the the race...people would have been jumping and down on this board pointing to that as a legitimate excuse if she would have lost.

[turninforhome10]

Bottom line for a horse especially a 3yo filly to get checked and rebreak like she did was visually impressive. Sorry I even brought up Frankel as it is really comparing Apples to Oranges. Winter Memories is a very nice filly and when she beats G-1 elders she will be the real deal. Overstated call or not, I can't take anything away from either horse as we were blessed enough to have both great horses perform magic for us.

[Cardus]

I believe they're going to shoot for a Grade 1 now.

On what are you basing your belief?

[Robert Goren]

How many 3yo filly G-1 turf races are there?

[turninforhome10]

On what are you basing your belief?
For Beach Babe
"Toner said the Woodford Reserve Lake Placid Stakes (gr. IIT) at nine furlongs Aug. 21 at Saratoga is next on the schedule for Winter Memories.

"Our main goal has always been the Queen Elizabeth (gr. IT) at Keeneland," he said. "Her mother won the Queen Elizabeth and we’re hoping to do the same thing."

[TheGhostOfOscarB]

Oscar B. Lezcano stood straight up in the irons. How, at that moment is it overstated? Not knowing the result of the next 20 or so seconds of the the race...people would have been jumping and down on this board pointing to that as a legitimate excuse if she would have lost.


Really. So I guess you have to add what, 5 lengths to the winning margin. Nice.

Horse had barely begun to run at that point and was waiting for the straight before tipping out. It amounted to nothing. Illusion. That kind of check would only be a major factor late in the race, say the 1/8 pole. It's ok. Sometimes you have to watch 100k races like me before you figure this stuff out.

[Robert Goren]

Really. So I guess you have to add what, 5 lengths to the winning margin. Nice.

Horse had barely begun to run at that point and was waiting for the straight before tipping out. It amounted to nothing. Illusion. That kind of check would only be a major factor late in the race, say the 1/8 pole. It's ok. Sometimes you have to watch 100k races like me before you figure this stuff out.after numerious horses bolt to a stop over the years. I wonder it really doesn't help.

[cpitt84]

Performance wise Frankel was brilliant and I believe his is probably one of the best horses in the world right now, if not the best. I am truly not taking anything away from him, but that burst of speed from Winter Memories was pretty spectacular, visually. Frankel is in a league of his own and Cecil thinks he is one of the best he ever saddled.

What about black caviar?

[toussaud]

right now i would go

1. black caviar
2. so you think
3. frankel
4. blind luck
5. harve de grace

[turninforhome10]

Really. So I guess you have to add what, 5 lengths to the winning margin. Nice.

Horse had barely begun to run at that point and was waiting for the straight before tipping out. It amounted to nothing. Illusion. That kind of check would only be a major factor late in the race, say the 1/8 pole. It's ok. Sometimes you have to watch 100k races like me before you figure this stuff out.
I am so tired of the condescending attitude in this forum. 100k races? So what. I have been watching races for 20+ years. Saddled 30 winners as an assistant trainer, worked as an agent, and bred 3 stakes horses. Qualify your answer or comment without your ego.
The three year old filly showed great courage in getting stopped, probably lost approx 5 lengths and 30-40% momentum and made a huge move to rocket past horses and was geared down to win, all in a quarter mile. She is still getting good and it was second off a layoff. I grant you that the field was suspect, but that does not take away the move. The move was impressive, illusion or not. Why take away from it, to help me better understand something. I have qualified where I come from? Thanks for the insight. It is noted.
While Black Caviar is a known commodity, and she is truly a grand horse and truly one of the worlds best, Frankel is still untapped, he won easily on WED and I still think he is in hand. No horse has made him run all out. And when Cecil say he thinks the horse rates with Shergar that goes a long way.

[Cardus]

I am so tired of the condescending attitude in this forum. 100k races? So what. I have been watching races for 20+ years. Saddled 30 winners as an assistant trainer, worked as an agent, and bred 3 stakes horses. Qualify your answer or comment without your ego.
The three year old filly showed great courage in getting stopped, probably lost approx 5 lengths and 30-40% momentum and made a huge move to rocket past horses and was geared down to win, all in a quarter mile. She is still getting good and it was second off a layoff. I grant you that the field was suspect, but that does not take away the move. The move was impressive, illusion or not. Why take away from it, to help me better understand something. I have qualified where I come from? Thanks for the insight. It is noted.
While Black Caviar is a known commodity, and she is truly a grand horse and truly one of the worlds best, Frankel is still untapped, he won easily on WED and I still think he is in hand. No horse has made him run all out. And when Cecil say he thinks the horse rates with Shergar that goes a long way.

Trainers can be guilty of overkill, though.

[turninforhome10]

Trainers can be guilty of overkill, though.
Yeah I know but Cecil? He has had some pretty nice stock.

[Stillriledup]

When Durkin said "its WIDE open" did he mean for 2nd?

Congrats to Winter Memories.....just another day of regret for those who bet a ton on her in the BC last year and didnt get paid.

[Tom]

I am not one to analyze these things, but it sure looked to me like those other horses stopped really bad.

I agree it was visually impressive...........but I am a little suspect

It was the roller-derby finish. She was the jammer, the pack was a big ball of tiring flesh except for the place horse. Try that in a full filed and she gets 4th.

Impressive today, but, after watching it a couple of times......not as much. I'll wait for the figures - how fast was that last fraction?

[toussaud]

new jock this time too?

i really didn't like her ride in the last. don't' know if she would have won anyway but the ride was god awful

[classhandicapper]

I'll wait for the figures - how fast was that last fraction?

The preliminary figure is a 93, but I would have been shocked if the figure was fast because the first 6 furlongs were ridiculously slow. She came home in 23.75 (while not running) and then 10.68 when she got loose - which is ridiculously fast. Every horse in the field came home faster than 12 (11.68 was the slowest and 11.16 was second fastest).

[toussaud]

Trainers can be guilty of overkill, though.
Remember When Biancone said that Christine Daae was "better than All Along". In fact she hasn't won a race since.

[salty]

Did the weather the day that hungry island won not matter? I did not see any mention of the torrential downpour in any of the articlesthat led to the garden city. Was it listed as a firm turf so nobody realized that the turf had buckets of rain poured down on it when winter memories was upset?

[toussaud]

Did the weather the day that hungry island won not matter? I did not see any mention of the torrential downpour in any of the articlesthat led to the garden city. Was it listed as a firm turf so nobody realized that the turf had buckets of rain poured down on it when winter memories was upset?


n ow that i think about it, breeders cup race she lost, that wasn't what i would call firm turf either. Rosie fell off a horse that had to be put down on a turn because of the turf conditions. maybe she just likes it hard.

[Tom]

The preliminary figure is a 93,

Not the Beyer. ;)

[cj]

Exposed.

[classhandicapper]

Exposed.

I guess that's the trip that separates the great deep closers from the fast closers.

Some horses have an explosive last 1/4 when they aren't used very hard early to get position, but getting used hard making that big wide move during reasonable fractions just to get into contention is tough. Only the champions seem to have that second move in the stretch after making that first move.

I have to say I'm disappointed. Her explosiveness has been very impressive to me. I was hoping she had that reserve, but I guess not.

I cashed on the winner (not red boarding I tweeted it a couple of days ago), but I'm still disappointed.

[KirisClown]

1dnl-L7t4oQ

[FenceBored]

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Let's play "count the strokes" w/ our contestant Colm O'Donoghue on Together. Can you say "I bet he's glad that he's wasn't subject to the new British rules today?" I knew you could.

[JustRalph]

Only race I made any money on today. I thought the exotics would pay better

I was thinking about this thread when betting the race

[Robert Fischer]

Let's play "count the strokes" w/ our contestant Colm O'Donoghue on Together. Can you say "I bet he's glad that he's wasn't subject to the new British rules today?" I knew you could.

she wouldn't have put away marketing mix under a drive ? :confused:

[OTM Al]

Only race I made any money on today. I thought the exotics would pay better

I was thinking about this thread when betting the race

Half an exacta for me paid half of nothing. Knew Together was better than this bunch but figured Summer Soiree would hold. Consider that Together is a second stringer when it comes to Euros and just raced back on a week's rest, anyone still think Winter Memories is ready for tthe big leagues yet? Let her take the winter and maybe grow up a little more. A crushing in the BC would do her no good at all.

[Canarsie]

Only race I made any money on today. I thought the exotics would pay better

I was thinking about this thread when betting the race

This race was out of whack. Serling tweeted early that Summer Soiree was paying less than Winter Memories in the P3.

Of course this dummy had Together on top with those two mentioned above underneath.

Not that it means anything but Bris had her top rated.

[classhandicapper]

Knew Together was better than this bunch

I have to say I was sort of shocked she paid 9-2. She had just raced well in a pretty tough race for older mares where the one of the horses that just finished close to Winter Memories got buried. Plus she had a good record in Europe. Maybe some people didn't like the "back in 7 days", but I think that's sort of over thinking it. I actually thought it might be a positive.

[FantasticDan]

0 for her last 12 could have figured into it a little. ;)

[1GCFAN]

I expected a bigger tri as well.

[classhandicapper]

0 for her last 12 could have figured into it a little. ;)

I guess you are right. That never entered into my own thinking because I thought she had been running against better.

I will say one other thing. I think this 3YO filly turf division is very good. Compare this race to the race for 3YO colts in CA.

[Robert Fischer]

i'm not ready to repeat the cycle and exaggerate Together's performance either. She had a good trip here. Winter Memories had a good trip last time, but it didn't look good. WM's trip in her last "troublesome" win was a helluva lot easier than her task today.

[classhandicapper]

WM's trip in her last "troublesome" win was a helluva lot easier than her task today.

I agree. That was a very long wide run.

Last time, IMO, Winter Memories had what I would call a very easy trip in terms of energy consumption before she finally got loose and closed.

The thing that impressed people (me at least) was the feeling that very few horses in America could have won with that same trip because they lack the pure late speed and acceleration needed to have gotten up in the last 1/8th of a mile given how fast it was and how fresh some of the horses in front of her were. She was a demonstrating a somewhat unique talent in one area of overall ability.

IMO the tough part about evaluating lightly raced horses (especially on turf and synthetic) is measuring what a horse has in reserve vs. what their maximum acceleration and speed is so you know their overall ability.

There are some mediocre horses that can absolutely fly late if not used hard early, there are more even paced types with a lot more energy in reserve, and there are special ones with both. But you don't always know what you are dealing with until after they are tested with a more demanding trip early.

[toussaud]

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/thoroughbred-racing/toner-winter-memories-just-tired-will-get-a-rest/

[outofthebox]

Winter Memories is tired after her tough 6 race campaign? She's done enough!

[Robert Fischer]

Half an exacta for me paid half of nothing. Knew Together was better than this bunch but figured Summer Soiree would hold. Consider that Together is a second stringer when it comes to Euros and just raced back on a week's rest, anyone still think Winter Memories is ready for tthe big leagues yet? Let her take the winter and maybe grow up a little more. A crushing in the BC would do her no good at all.

you're right Al, she's a little tired, needs a rest...