PQ- Political Quotient

[cj's dad]

check out this site to find your political IQ and have the results compared to where you align with politicians.

www.timgroseclose.com

Interesting.

BTW- Note to libs- Lenin and Marx are not on the list.

[ArlJim78]

My PQ score is 3

[cj's dad]

I'm shocked at mine, it is:

Here’s your PQ: 15.9

Politicians with similar PQs are:

Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4

[ArlJim78]

oh my god cj's dad!! you're a RINO!!!!:lol: :lol:

[dartman51]

Wow...that's very telling. I scored a 19.5

[DJofSD]

The test at: http://timgroseclose.com/calculate-your-pq/

[cj's dad]

oh my god cj's dad!! you're a RINO!!!!:lol: :lol:

Truthfully, I am an Independent or as it is called here in the Peoples Republic of Maryland - "Unaffiliated"

Still, I am shocked !

I have scheduled a psyche evaluation for later today.

[Robert Goren]

I proudly got a 94.9 The only time I agreed with the republicans was on the Canadian drug bill.

[ArlJim78]

Robert I'm curious what politicians are you near with that score?

[cj's dad]

Robert I'm curious what politicians are you near with that score?

Hillary Clinton (D-NY 2001-06)
87.6

Barack Obama (D-IL 2005-06)
87.7
87.7

Ted Kennedy (D-MA 1963-2007)
89.2

Robert Kennedy (D-NY 1965-67)
96.5

Nancy Pelosi (D-CA 1987-06)
100.7

[Rookies]

I felt that I was truly 'fair and balanced' = 83% :lol:


Of course, I definitely agreed with American citizens buying drugs from Canada... well the legal ones...:lol:

[Tom]

Here’s your PQ: 5.3

Politicians with similar PQs are:

Michele Bachmann (R-Minn, 2007-09) PQ=-4.1
James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9

[cj's dad]

Can I still hang out in the tent this August :confused:

[Tom]

OK, but you will have to sit on the LEFT side! :D

[mostpost]

I hope everyone is sitting down. I scored a 100. I simply answered the correct answer for each question.

Using a standard grading scale, Robert Goren and I scored A's. Rookies scored a C, but he is Canadian. :lol: The cons all scored F's. The results are not at all surprising. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[chrisl]

I do not remember a standard grading scale being mentioned on that website. Or any reference to a A grade etc.

[mostpost]

Here is a link to a criticism of the methodologies used in the Groseclose study.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html

As I read it Groseclose used the number of times a news organization quoted experts, think tanks and congressmen to determine whether that organization was biased in a certain direction. If a news org. quoted the NAACP more often than it quoted the Heritage foundation it was considered to have a liberal bias. If it quoted Eric Kantor more often than Barney Frank that media outlet was called conservative.

The problem with this is all think tanks are not equal. All sources are not equal. All Congressmen are not equal. If you are writing a story on Global Warming you would want to interview scientists who have produced peer reviewed studies on the subject. Most of those would conclude that GW is a fact and is caused by humans. If you were writing about racism, you would interview experts from the NAACP. It would be difficult to find a source that favors racism. Does that mean the reporter favored the more liberal NAACP

The link also questioned the fact that different news organizations were studied for different periods of time. Time was studied for two years while US News and World Report was studied for eight years but no effort was made to allow for those differences.

All in all the Groseclose study seems very flawed. Groseclose is a political scientist, which is not the same as a scientist. It appears that Groseclose started out with a belief; "There is a liberal bias in media" and found data to prove that thesis. The correct scientific method is to ask the question, Is there a bias-either liberal and conservative-in media? Then allow the data to supply the answer.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Here’s your PQ: 20.6

Politicians with similar PQs are:


Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4
Jack Kemp (R.-N.Y., 1971-86) PQ=20.4
Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5

[Robert Goren]

Hillary Clinton (D-NY 2001-06)
87.6

Barack Obama (D-IL 2005-06)
87.7


87.7





Ted Kennedy (D-MA 1963-2007)
89.2

Robert Kennedy (D-NY 1965-67)
96.5

Nancy Pelosi (D-CA 1987-06)
100.7 Humm.... Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. It sure beats being any where close to the likes of Nixon. There is a conservative that you can be proud of. I know that a bunch of conservatives will try to claim he wasn't a real conservative, but the test doesn't lie.

[mostpost]

I do not remember a standard grading scale being mentioned on that website. Or any reference to a A grade etc.

Basic knowledge man. Liberals get A's. Conservatives get F's. ;)

[GameTheory]

Here is a link to a criticism of the methodologies used in the Groseclose study.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html

As I read it Groseclose used the number of times a news organization quoted experts, think tanks and congressmen to determine whether that organization was biased in a certain direction. If a news org. quoted the NAACP more often than it quoted the Heritage foundation it was considered to have a liberal bias. If it quoted Eric Kantor more often than Barney Frank that media outlet was called conservative.

The problem with this is all think tanks are not equal. All sources are not equal. All Congressmen are not equal. If you are writing a story on Global Warming you would want to interview scientists who have produced peer reviewed studies on the subject. Most of those would conclude that GW is a fact and is caused by humans. If you were writing about racism, you would interview experts from the NAACP. It would be difficult to find a source that favors racism. Does that mean the reporter favored the more liberal NAACP

The link also questioned the fact that different news organizations were studied for different periods of time. Time was studied for two years while US News and World Report was studied for eight years but no effort was made to allow for those differences.

All in all the Groseclose study seems very flawed. Groseclose is a political scientist, which is not the same as a scientist. It appears that Groseclose started out with a belief; "There is a liberal bias in media" and found data to prove that thesis. The correct scientific method is to ask the question, Is there a bias-either liberal and conservative-in media? Then allow the data to supply the answer.These types of studies always have their flaws, and are very questionable. (And the guy is trying to sell books.) Nevertheless, it isn't like it is hard to pick up on the biases of various news outlets. They are gallingly blatant most of the time, and all the "big names" have an easily identifiable and obvious slant (NYT, WSJ, all the TV news networks, etc). Bottom-line: none of them are committed to truth.

[Tom]

I do not remember a standard grading scale being mentioned on that website. Or any reference to a A grade etc.

He is the product of a liberal educational system.

[Dave Schwartz]

Here’s your PQ: 29

Politicians with similar PQs are:

Jack Kemp (R.-N.Y., 1971-86) PQ=20.4
Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5
Ron Paul (R-Tex, 1976-2009) PQ=31.8
Rick Lazio (R-N.Y., 1993-2000) PQ=34.4
Tom Ridge (R-Penn., 1983-1994) PQ=37.4

[ArlJim78]

I'd like to know how Michelle Bachmann scored a negative 4.
I came in at 3 and I didn't notice where there might have been an opportunity to be any more conservative.
Something to shoot for I guess:D

[Dave Schwartz]

I have a couple of comments:

1. I find it more than coincidental that higher scores are aimed at the democrats.

2. The redundancy of some questions skews the scores.


Finally, Mosty...

Basic knowledge man. Liberals get A's. Conservatives get F's.

Do you understand that this mentality causes you to lose any and all credibility? Do you further understand that it absolutely negates any opinions you might have in any conversation or discussion anywhere?

I always get amused at people who cannot think for themselves yet have put forth the idea that they have strong opinions.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[rastajenk]

I came in at 3 and I didn't notice where there might have been an opportunity to be any more conservative.Me too. I think that may have been a typo on the Bachmann score.

How 'bout that Tom coming in at 5.3? He may have some 'splainin' to do in front of the Conservative Review Board. :D

[johnhannibalsmith]

Here’s your PQ: 23

Politicians with similar PQs are:


Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4
Jack Kemp (R.-N.Y., 1971-86) PQ=20.4
Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5
Ron Paul (R-Tex, 1976-2009) PQ=31.8




HORRIFYING!

[hcap]

Great minds think alike.


Here’s your PQ: 94.9

Politicians with similar PQs are:

Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y., 2001-06) PQ=87.6
Barack Obama (D-Ill., 2005-06) PQ=87.7
Ted Kennedy (D-Mass., 1963-2007) PQ=89.2
Robert Kennedy (D-N.Y., 1965-67) PQ=96.5
Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif., 1987-06) PQ=100.7
Barney Frank (D-Mass., 1981-2009) PQ=103.8

[GameTheory]

Finally, Mosty...



Do you understand that this mentality causes you to lose any and all credibility? Do you further understand that it absolutely negates any opinions you might have in any conversation or discussion anywhere?

I always get amused at people who cannot think for themselves yet have put forth the idea that they have strong opinions.
Yes. Just like I was saying about the media, you can't be both committed to an ideology and to the truth.

[ArlJim78]

I'm guessing that Fidel Castro comes in at about 82, Hugo Chavez around 89.

[mostpost]

I have a couple of comments:

1. I find it more than coincidental that higher scores are aimed at the democrats.

2. The redundancy of some questions skews the scores.


Finally, Mosty...



Do you understand that this mentality causes you to lose any and all credibility? Do you further understand that it absolutely negates any opinions you might have in any conversation or discussion anywhere?

I always get amused at people who cannot think for themselves yet have put forth the idea that they have strong opinions.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

"Liberals get A's. Conservatives get F's," was just to aggravate conservatives. Glad to see it worked. ;)

While we're here, I wanted to let you know I just finished your New Pace seminar. Looks to me like an excellent way to establish who the contenders are, especially the not so obvious contenders. I don't like the idea of playing multiple horses in every race nor of playing a four horse box in an exacta.

I'm going to try using New Pace to pick the contenders and other methods (Stolen from others and developed myself) to narrow down to a win play and a two horse exacta box.

All in all, well worth the money, with a lot of intelligent ideas. Amazing for a guy who gets F's. :lol: :lol:

[hcap]

I'm guessing that Fidel Castro comes in at about 82, Hugo Chavez around 89.
But I bet they can use "the internets" :cool: