Has any other president lied as much???

[newtothegame]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/turns-out-obamas-story-about-his-mothers-healthcare-struggle-is-inaccurate/

Turns Out Obama‘s Story About His Mother’s Healthcare Struggle Is Inaccurate

A new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott sheds new light on the life of Barack Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, including her final years. Scott found while assembling information for “A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother,” that Dunham in fact did have health coverage for her ovarian cancer, based off Dunham’s own past correspondence. Washington Examiner’s Byron York: (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/fresh-doubt-cast-obamas-health-care-story#ixzz1RoHGi2zJ)
“Dunham decided to stay in Jakarta, where she underwent an appendectomy. But the pain did not go away, and Dunham feared, correctly, that she was terribly ill. In January 1995 she left Indonesia to go home to Honolulu, where she was diagnosed with advanced uterine and ovarian cancer. She began a regime of surgery and chemotherapy.

That is the time during which Obama says his mother battled insurance companies to cover her illness. But Scott, who had access to Dunham’s correspondence from the time, reveals that Dunham unquestionably had health coverage. ‘Ann’s compensation for her job in Jakarta had included health insurance, which covered most of the costs of her medical treatment,’ Scott writes. ‘Once she was back in Hawaii, the hospital billed her insurance company directly, leaving Ann to pay only the deductible and any uncovered expenses....

[ElKabong]

[Scott found while assembling information for “A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother,” that Dunham in fact did have health coverage for her ovarian cancer, based off Dunham’s own past correspondence.

That is the time during which Obama says his mother battled insurance companies to cover her illness. But Scott, who had access to Dunham’s correspondence from the time, reveals that Dunham unquestionably had health coverage. ‘Ann’s compensation for her job in Jakarta had included health insurance, which covered most of the costs of her medical treatment,’ Scott writes. ‘Once she was back in Hawaii, the hospital billed her insurance company directly, leaving Ann to pay only the deductible and any uncovered expenses....

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Now why didn't the media find this out? If this were Palin or Bachmann's story and not Obama's, it would be all over tv, newspapers.

Time to take the gloves off once the repub nominee is chosen and have a 427 Org (or whatever it's called) to shine the light on lies like this.

Obama is turning out to be a more pathetic creep than Weiner or Nixon...Lying about your mother's terminal illness "situation" for political gain. Disgusting! :mad:
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[redshift1]

A Singular Woman.

Published May 3 2011.

Wow I know there are slow readers but 70 days to find this latest betrayal of american trust by satan incarnate. Outrageous !!.



Breaking news alert...... muckrakers asleep at the wheel.

[newtothegame]

A Singular Woman.

Published May 3 2011.

Wow I know there are slow readers but 70 days to find this latest betrayal of american trust by satan incarnate. Outrageous !!.



Breaking news alert...... muckrakers asleep at the wheel.

There ya go Red.....!!! When you can't argue the topic....shoot how long it takes or the messenger, whatever....ANYTHING else but this (one of many) lie

[newtothegame]

A Singular Woman.

Published May 3 2011.

Wow I know there are slow readers but 70 days to find this latest betrayal of american trust by satan incarnate. Outrageous !!.



Breaking news alert...... muckrakers asleep at the wheel.
Not too mention, how long did it take Obama to release the RIGHT BC? what does that say for him???
Amazing how your words are so one sided.....

[ElKabong]

still waiting for his fine published work via the harvard law review

[redshift1]

There ya go Red.....!!! When you can't argue the topic....shoot how long it takes or the messenger, whatever....ANYTHING else but this (one of many) lie

Point being why is this now an issue, not a single mention until York's article then suddenly daisy chained throughout the conservative blogosphere on July 12th.

Remember York will be eternally famous for:

http://www.amazon.com/Vast-Left-Wing-Conspiracy-Democrats/dp/1400082390/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

In which he accuses the democrats of gasp !!! trying to run a competing platform to deny Bush his preordained second term. What were those crazy democrats thinking .


Are you so naive as to believe politicians are not liars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

[lamboguy]

i don't know if any president lies as much as this one, but they all lie to some degree. i think the better question is what they lie about. personally i don't think they get elected so they can lie to us and get away with it. the office has certainly been cheapened up quite a bit after the tragic end to president kennedy. i can't make a case for one guy that has a high degree of morality in that group.

[JustRalph]

Kennedy and LBJ were pretty damn good liars in their own right.

[Marshall Bennett]

Nixon will likely go down as having top honors, although others have lied more often. It cost Nixon his job.

[cj's dad]

Don't forget Bill "I did not have sex with that woman"Clinton

[PhantomOnTour]

"Read my lips...."
-Bush

[OntheRail]

I couple more... from BO :liar:

"I'll Not Hire Lobbyist"
"Transparency"

[Tom]

Of all the lying SOSs we have had, this is hardly a good example - it was not a lie as much as it was what the libs keeps whining about - bi-partisanship cooperation. See why no self respecting repub will ever work with a dem again?

Unlike the other sorry excuses of presidents, 41 "lied" to help the nation, not himself.

[Robert Goren]

Say what you want about Obama and Clinton, But GWB lying about WMDs got a bunk of our fine young soldiers killed. His lie did more harm than a president's lies since LBJ and Nixon lied about Vietnam.

[bigmack]

Say what you want about Obama and Clinton, But GWB lying about WMDs got a bunk of our fine young soldiers killed.
You've heard that he and many others believed the intelligence reports. How is it you believe he lied? Do you have insight not seen by mortal men or do you choose to believe something because your brain can't move in any other direction?

[Robert Goren]

You've heard that he and many others believed the intelligence reports. How is it you believe he lied? Do you have insight not seen by mortal men or do you choose to believe something because your brain can't move in any other direction? Have you got some links where he have admitted that he was misled by faulty intelligence reports and that if he knew what he knows now he would have never gone into Iraq. If he did, that must have been the day I had my surgery and I missed it.

[Marshall Bennett]

GWB lying about WMDs got a bunk of our fine young soldiers killed.
Are you sure? They weren't found but intelligence told him otherwise. Even Democrats agreed at the time to go in, seek & destroy. That's quite a broad statement to say any president lied and got soldiers killed. In fact, it's a dumb statement.

[Robert Goren]

Are you sure? They weren't found but intelligence told him otherwise. Even Democrats agreed at the time to go in, seek & destroy. That's quite a broad statement to say any president lied and got soldiers killed. In fact, it's a dumb statement.The democrats, like me, believed his lies. We never believed he would lie about going to war. We were fools, but we got over it and learned from it. . It is now been pretty well established that there was a lot of reports saying there were no WMDs and he with held them from the congress and the American public including you. It was only after the war was started that they began to come to light. Valerie Plame was outed as a CIA agented after her husband, Joe Wilson, leaked some of the reports to the NY Times. He was one of the first, but certainly not the last. There is no one that I know except apparently you who doesn't know that LBJ lied to gets us into Vietnam.

[rastajenk]

Joe Wilson's personal agenda damaged his own credibility. The Plame stuff was merely Bush Derangement Syndrome stuff its highest level.

Do you think the world would be better off today with Saddam and his goon sons still in power?

[Tom]

They shot at US Air Force planes in violation of the cease fire from the Gulf War, thereby resuming hostilities.

Nothing else matters - we were justified and legally right to do whatever the
Hell we thought was a proper response. You shoot at a US Air Force Jet, prepare to die.

[Marshall Bennett]

[QUOTE=Robert GorenThere is no one that I know except apparently you who doesn't know that LBJ lied to gets us into Vietnam.[/QUOTE]

Where in any of my post do I mention LBJ or Vietnam? What are you driving at?
Btw, it's quite apparent that you've bought into every ounce of crap your liberal media has fed you over the past few years. Just because it matters to you, doesn't mean anyone else gives a shit.
Once again, what does LBJ have to do with anything? That's old news.

[mostpost]

They shot at US Air Force planes in violation of the cease fire from the Gulf War, thereby resuming hostilities.

Nothing else matters - we were justified and legally right to do whatever the
Hell we thought was a proper response. You shoot at a US Air Force Jet, prepare to die.
Did they? You know this how? Because George Bush told you it happened? Here's an update. George Bush lied.

[mostpost]

Where in any of my post do I mention LBJ or Vietnam? What are you driving at?
Your # 18 in this thread.
That's quite a broad statement to say any president lied. Johnson qualifies under the heading of any president.
Btw, it's quite apparent that you've bought into every ounce of crap your liberal media has fed you over the past few years. Just because it matters to you, doesn't mean anyone else gives a shit.
Every time one of you cons posts something you've found in your conservative media, I have little problem disproving it. Very seldom can you come back with a counter argument. It is well documented that Dick Cheney spent a lot of time at the CIA pressuring their analysts to interpret intelligence in a certain way.
Once again, what does LBJ have to do with anything? That's old news.
Old news-anyone who won't learn from history is doomed to repeat it.

[Marshall Bennett]

You left part of my post out. Lying to get soldiers killed. I stand by my post.

[bigmack]

Did they? You know this how? Because George Bush told you it happened? Here's an update. George Bush lied.
Lied about what? (Be careful. Anything you say he lied about could have been said said by volumes of other people.)

[mostpost]

You left part of my post out. Lying to get soldiers killed. I stand by my post.
Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. Many soldiers died as a result. Read some history.

[Tom]

Did they? You know this how? Because George Bush told you it happened? Here's an update. George Bush lied.

What planet do you post from?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-06-29/news/9906290108_1_no-fly-zone-iraqi-anti-aircraft-artillery-air-force-f-16s

Read you own local papers.

[Tom]

Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. Many soldiers died as a result. Read some history.

August 4, maybe, but you also dispute the August 2 incident?

[newtothegame]

Point being why is this now an issue, not a single mention until York's article then suddenly daisy chained throughout the conservative blogosphere on July 12th.

Remember York will be eternally famous for:

http://www.amazon.com/Vast-Left-Wing-Conspiracy-Democrats/dp/1400082390/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

In which he accuses the democrats of gasp !!! trying to run a competing platform to deny Bush his preordained second term. What were those crazy democrats thinking .


Are you so naive as to believe politicians are not liars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

The question was not IF politicians lie........guess you have problems reading. Iclearly stated the question in the opening thread!

[newtothegame]

Did they? You know this how? Because George Bush told you it happened? Here's an update. George Bush lied.
So then based on this premise, how do you know Ghadaffi has committed crimes aginst his people which is the reason OBAMA led us into Libya? How do you know ANYTHING is true for that matter??? Geeze, get a grip there mosty!

[redshift1]

The question was not IF politicians lie........guess you have problems reading. Iclearly stated the question in the opening thread!

If that's what you believe why make a post that Obama lied as if Its front page news. Seems most posters here agree politicians lie so what's your point except more tribal drumbeating.

These post are like Obama-Porn....(see Rule 34). Send me another glossy pictorial showing Obama lying over and over again just make sure Its in plain brown wrapping.


.

[mostpost]

What planet do you post from?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-06-29/news/9906290108_1_no-fly-zone-iraqi-anti-aircraft-artillery-air-force-f-16s

Read you own local papers.

Yet we lost not a single aircraft over Iraq. The response to those incidents by the Clinton administration was the proper one. Sending in 100,000+ troops on the ground was not.

[ElKabong]

Did they? You know this how? Because George Bush told you it happened? Here's an update. George Bush lied.

Headline from Tom's link, below...A good friend of mine was part of a unit that had one of their aircraft fired upon in 1999. We should have vaporized Hussein that same day.

U.s. Jets Trade Fire With Iraqis As Un Weighs Eased Sanctions

[newtothegame]

If that's what you believe why make a post that Obama lied as if Its front page news. Seems most posters here agree politicians lie so what's your point except more tribal drumbeating.

These post are like Obama-Porn....(see Rule 34). Send me another glossy pictorial showing Obama lying over and over again just make sure Its in plain brown wrapping.


.

Well, as I said and asked the question.....
Seems not ONE president has been caught in so many lies. About his family none the less to make a political statement. There is NOTHING sacred to this guy. family, people, NOTHING!
Now you may take light of it......and yes, ALL politicians lie. I am not even remotely naive enough to think otherwise. But, in THIS presidents case, I have to wonder when is he telling the truth, not if he is lying!

[mostpost]

August 4, maybe, but you also dispute the August 2 incident?
There was apparently a confrontation on Aug. 2. There is a question as to who fired first. There was some testimony that the Maddox fired three warning shots at approaching North Vietnamese ships and the North Vietnamese returned fire. There is also evidence that the Maddox was within North Vietnamese territorial waters. Territorial as claimed by the Vietnamese but not recognized internationally.

The point is Johnson used the Aug. 2 incident and the incident which did not occur on Aug. 4 to drag us deeper into the war. He lied and fifty thousand Americans died, far more than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. The result? The same as would have occurred had we just stayed home. A communist Vietnam, which is becoming a tourist attraction.

[newtothegame]

If that's what you believe why make a post that Obama lied as if Its front page news. Seems most posters here agree politicians lie so what's your point except more tribal drumbeating.

These post are like Obama-Porn....(see Rule 34). Send me another glossy pictorial showing Obama lying over and over again just make sure Its in plain brown wrapping.


.Or, would you prefer to talk about the number of deaths in Afghanistan during THIS PRESIDENTS term to date???

Seems more during this presidents term then Bush's entire time.....That will make great front page news.....better for ya??

1031 deaths since the beginning of 2009!!!!!
630 2001-2008
http://icasualties.org/oef/

[mostpost]

Well, as I said and asked the question.....
Seems not ONE president has been caught in so many lies. About his family none the less to make a political statement. There is NOTHING sacred to this guy. family, people, NOTHING!
Now you may take light of it......and yes, ALL politicians lie. I am not even remotely naive enough to think otherwise. But, in THIS presidents case, I have to wonder when is he telling the truth, not if he is lying!

He actually has not been caught in many lies at all. Not fulfilling a campaign promise is not a lie if you are prevented from fulfilling it by outside forces. It is not a lie unless you can prove that there was no intention to fulfill the promise at the time it was made.

If some of Ann Dunham's medical bills were paid by the insurance company and some were not, it is not a lie that she had to fight to get her medical bills paid.

If you make a promise to post all bills on the internet, that promise is fulfilled by Thomas. In case you don't know, Thomas is the library of congress service where all bills are posted as they are being debated. Changes are posted as they occur. There is no need to post them elsewhere.

[newtothegame]

He actually has not been caught in many lies at all. Not fulfilling a campaign promise is not a lie if you are prevented from fulfilling it by outside forces. It is not a lie unless you can prove that there was no intention to fulfill the promise at the time it was made.

If some of Ann Dunham's medical bills were paid by the insurance company and some were not, it is not a lie that she had to fight to get her medical bills paid.

If you make a promise to post all bills on the internet, that promise is fulfilled by Thomas. In case you don't know, Thomas is the library of congress service where all bills are posted as they are being debated. Changes are posted as they occur. There is no need to post them elsewhere.
So let me be clear....it is "intent" that determines if its a lie or not???

Ahhh ok, well then since its intent, how can you say Bush lied unless you knew his intent? WHICH YOU HAVE NO CLUE......

[newtothegame]

He actually has not been caught in many lies at all. Not fulfilling a campaign promise is not a lie if you are prevented from fulfilling it by outside forces. It is not a lie unless you can prove that there was no intention to fulfill the promise at the time it was made.

If some of Ann Dunham's medical bills were paid by the insurance company and some were not, it is not a lie that she had to fight to get her medical bills paid.

If you make a promise to post all bills on the internet, that promise is fulfilled by Thomas. In case you don't know, Thomas is the library of congress service where all bills are posted as they are being debated. Changes are posted as they occur. There is no need to post them elsewhere.

And I would refer you back to the Obama rant I went on posting ALOT of his "shortfalls"...you determine which are lies...just as the public is!

[mostpost]

Or, would you prefer to talk about the number of deaths in Afghanistan during THIS PRESIDENTS term to date???

Seems more during this presidents term then Bush's entire time.....That will make great front page news.....better for ya??

1031 deaths since the beginning of 2009!!!!!
630 2001-2008
http://icasualties.org/oef/
Casualties in Iraq (US in first column)
2003 486 53 41 580
2004 849 22 35 906
2005 846 23 28 897
2006 822 29 21 872
2007 904 47 10 961
2008 314 4 4 322
2009 149 1 0 150
2010 60 0 0 60
2011 42 0 0 42
Total 4472 179 139 4790
Casualties in Afghanistan. (US in first column)
2001 12 0 0 12
2002 49 3 18 70
2003 48 0 10 58
2004 52 1 7 60
2005 99 1 31 131
2006 98 39 54 191
2007 117 42 73 232
2008 155 51 89 295
2009 317 108 96 521
2010 499 103 109 711
2011 215 27 64 306
Total 1661 375 551 2587

What do we see here? There were relatively few casualties in Afghanistan during George Bush's term. The 9/11 attacks originated in Afghanistan. There was an average of 566 American casualties in Iraq during George Bush's term. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Bush ignored Afghanistan. Obama did not. Had Bush done his job properly, the war in Afghanistan would have been over long before Obama took office.

[ElKabong]

He actually has not been caught in many lies at all. Not fulfilling a campaign promise is not a lie if you are prevented from fulfilling it by outside forces. .

What, GWB prevented Healthcare discussions from being televised on CSPAN?

[NJ Stinks]

i don't know if any president lies as much as this one, but they all lie to some degree. i think the better question is what they lie about. personally i don't think they get elected so they can lie to us and get away with it. the office has certainly been cheapened up quite a bit after the tragic end to president kennedy. i can't make a case for one guy that has a high degree of morality in that group.

I thought Gerald Ford was highly ethical.

[PaceAdvantage]

Did they? You know this how? Because George Bush told you it happened? Here's an update. George Bush lied.And yet you bought the "Osama+Afghanistan being behind 9/11" story?

Why is that one believable yet everything else is a lie? I believe we've danced this dance before.

Selective believability to fit your agenda perhaps?

[mostpost]

So let me be clear....it is "intent" that determines if its a lie or not???

Ahhh ok, well then since its intent, how can you say Bush lied unless you knew his intent? WHICH YOU HAVE NO CLUE......
I have quite a number of clues in regards to Iraq.
From Tomas E. Ricks book "Fiasco"
on pages 40 and 41 of that book an unnamed Pentagon officer recalls studying Annex Bravo of the invasion plan. He is struck by the discrepancies between the text of the plan and the target list. The text was full of phrases like, "We're not sure, we don't know this." Brig. Gen Mark Hartling also had concerns about conflicting intelligence> Those concerns were ignored by the administration.

On page 47 Brent Scowcroft, Bush I's security advisor expressed opposition to an invasion of Iraq saying, (There is) "Scant evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist organizations and even less to 9/11. Henry Kissinger and James Baker opposed invasion and Colin Powell urge caution.

On pages 49 and 50 at an August 26, 2002 speech to the VFW Cheney said unequivocally that there is no doubt Saddam Hussein possesses Weapons of mass destruction. But sitting on the same stage with Cheney was Anthony Zinni. Zinni was a retired Marine Corp General who had been Commander in Chief of Centcom. As such, he had access to all the intelligence from the Iraq region. Furthermore, although retired, he had retained his top secret clearance and was serving as a consultant for the CIA on Iraq. His comment on Cheneys allegation was "In my time at Centco, I watched the intelligence and never-not once- did it say 'He has weapons of mass destruction.'"

On pages 52 and 53 Ricks discusses the Sept 2002 NIE which purported to confirm that Saddam did indeed have WMDs. It claimed that Saddam already possessed both Biological and Chemical weapons and was working on delivery methods. The NIE claimed that Saddam was developing a nuclear capabilty

It was only a year later that a Senate Intelligence Committee declared that the Sept 2002 NIE had been "Stunningly wrong." But not just stunningly wrong. It had been a series of failure in analytic trade craft which all pointed towards a single conclusion.

Finally on pages 54 and 55, Ricks discusses the conflicts between the professional intelligence analysts at the CIA and NSA and the analysts working for Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz at the Pentagon.

Ricks ends with this quote from Greg Thielman-State Department Proliferation expert. "The were cherry picking the information that we provided to use whatever pieces of it that their overall interpretation. Worse than that, they were dropping qualifiers and distorting some of the information that we provided to make it seem even more alarmist and dangerous than the information that we were giving them."

Clearly George W. Bush wanted to invade Iraq. He ignored legitimate information that told him Iraq was not a current threat. He withheld that information from the public. He emphasized incomplete and inaccurate information. He knew the information was false. He lied.

[JustRalph]

Now the vaunted NY Times is calling him an outright liar

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43754315/ns/today-books/

This guy will lie about anything.........

[ElKabong]

Now the vaunted NY Times is calling him an outright liar

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43754315/ns/today-books/

This guy will lie about anything.........

Yeah, but his uncle / grammpa / whatever was among the first troops to free Jews from Auschwitz......so THERE!

[newtothegame]

I have quite a number of clues in regards to Iraq.
From Tomas E. Ricks book "Fiasco"
on pages 40 and 41 of that book an unnamed Pentagon officer recalls studying Annex Bravo of the invasion plan. He is struck by the discrepancies between the text of the plan and the target list. The text was full of phrases like, "We're not sure, we don't know this." Brig. Gen Mark Hartling also had concerns about conflicting intelligence> Those concerns were ignored by the administration.

On page 47 Brent Scowcroft, Bush I's security advisor expressed opposition to an invasion of Iraq saying, (There is) "Scant evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist organizations and even less to 9/11. Henry Kissinger and James Baker opposed invasion and Colin Powell urge caution.

On pages 49 and 50 at an August 26, 2002 speech to the VFW Cheney said unequivocally that there is no doubt Saddam Hussein possesses Weapons of mass destruction. But sitting on the same stage with Cheney was Anthony Zinni. Zinni was a retired Marine Corp General who had been Commander in Chief of Centcom. As such, he had access to all the intelligence from the Iraq region. Furthermore, although retired, he had retained his top secret clearance and was serving as a consultant for the CIA on Iraq. His comment on Cheneys allegation was "In my time at Centco, I watched the intelligence and never-not once- did it say 'He has weapons of mass destruction.'"

On pages 52 and 53 Ricks discusses the Sept 2002 NIE which purported to confirm that Saddam did indeed have WMDs. It claimed that Saddam already possessed both Biological and Chemical weapons and was working on delivery methods. The NIE claimed that Saddam was developing a nuclear capabilty

It was only a year later that a Senate Intelligence Committee declared that the Sept 2002 NIE had been "Stunningly wrong." But not just stunningly wrong. It had been a series of failure in analytic trade craft which all pointed towards a single conclusion.

Finally on pages 54 and 55, Ricks discusses the conflicts between the professional intelligence analysts at the CIA and NSA and the analysts working for Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz at the Pentagon.

Ricks ends with this quote from Greg Thielman-State Department Proliferation expert. "The were cherry picking the information that we provided to use whatever pieces of it that their overall interpretation. Worse than that, they were dropping qualifiers and distorting some of the information that we provided to make it seem even more alarmist and dangerous than the information that we were giving them."

Clearly George W. Bush wanted to invade Iraq. He ignored legitimate information that told him Iraq was not a current threat. He withheld that information from the public. He emphasized incomplete and inaccurate information. He knew the information was false. He lied.

So, Bush lied because YOU know hnis intent, and now you tell us we should believe an author of a book ( who makes money fom its sales), ????
LMAO....JOKE!

[dav4463]

Bush lied, people died.

Clinton lied, but it was only about sex. It's none of our business.

Obama lies, but only to inspire us and protect us. He cares. ;)