Self Explanetory [Archive] - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

Relwob Owner

07-09-2011, 10:15 AM

E ain't even close to an A on my keyboard.

'12 doesn't look good for your kind, Chum.

Look on the bright side. You work best when you "fight the power."

Funny-you get on Hcap for spelling....meanwhile, you dont even know the difference between "appraise" and "apprise"....the "a" that you added isnt close to the "i" on my keyboard so that doesnt look good as an excuse for ya. How does '12 look for people like you, Chum? :eek:

We're right with Johnny C., hopin' for the best.

Keep us appraised, ChickyBaby.

Here is a link for ya so you can avoid mixing the two up in the future.

http://www.educationbug.org/a/appraise-vs-apprise.html

hcap

07-09-2011, 11:26 AM

E ain't even close to an A on my keyboard.

I an now legally blind. Slows me down. Sometimes I have trouble spelling. Dealing with it

Now how long have you been legally dumb? And when do you intend to deal with that?

senortout

07-09-2011, 12:13 PM

WHY WOULD ANYONE COMPROMISE IF THEY BELIEVED THEY WERE RIGHT?

He's married and he loves his wife
His employees feel they have a value to the organization
Other parties will be more likely to listen to ideas
Other countries will respect his power, and his restraint in the use of same

But, you already knew that, didn't you?

I'm sure you did.

hcap

07-09-2011, 12:34 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/12/breaking_the_filibuster_in_one.html

Breaking the filibuster in one graph
By Ezra Klein

If you're looking for some good historical data on the filibuster, the fine folks who keep up (the surprisingly useful) Senate.gov site have you covered. They've tracked the number of cloture filings (when the majority begins the process of breaking a filibuster), cloture votes (when they vote to break the filibuster), and clotures (when the majority actually breaks the filibuster) in each Congress since 1919, when the Senate first gave itself the power to break a filibuster. Here's what it all looks like in graph form:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/assets_c/2010/12/breakingthefilibuster-thumb-454x283-31546.jpg

Gee, I wonder which party is responsible, and possibly be the main reason Congress rarely gets anything done.?

Rookies

07-09-2011, 12:47 PM

I don't get it, since when did having no principles become something to boast about?

Don't think that was the intent here, Jim. But, when the phrase: " NO MATTER WHAT" is used, that's the choice posed.

Throughout human history, from the 'Twelve Tables' through the 'Divine Right of Kings' to the 'Nuremberg Laws' and 'Jim Crow' to name 4 odious examples, certain preferred power groups have thought their voice was the only correct one for society and should be defended to the death- NO MATTER WHAT.

Sometimes, as in this quote, there are fictional artifices, but ones which people can agree on to get a desired result-

Compromise: The art of dividing a cake in such a way that everybody believes he got the biggest piece. Sherry Rothfield

Everyone needs to decide the appropriate time(s) to stand on principle or give some to get some.

JustRalph

07-09-2011, 01:12 PM

another thread about nothing ?

ArlJim78

07-09-2011, 03:12 PM

Don't think that was the intent here, Jim. But, when the phrase: " NO MATTER WHAT" is used, that's the choice posed.

Throughout human history, from the 'Twelve Tables' through the 'Divine Right of Kings' to the 'Nuremberg Laws' and 'Jim Crow' to name 4 odious examples, certain preferred power groups have thought their voice was the only correct one for society and should be defended to the death- NO MATTER WHAT.

Sometimes, as in this quote, there are fictional artifices, but ones which people can agree on to get a desired result-

Compromise: The art of dividing a cake in such a way that everybody believes he got the biggest piece. Sherry Rothfield

Everyone needs to decide the appropriate time(s) to stand on principle or give some to get some.
I fail to see what could ever be wrong with sticking to your principles no matter what.

in the examples you gave, compromise was not the solution, it was other people who STUCK to their principles.

we are in desperate need of less compromise on the federal level. compromise is another way of saying let's keep doing the same thing and kick the can down the road. funny how compromise wasn't so important when democrats had free reign over all branches of guv. then it was open season to ram everything through NO MATTER WHAT anyone said about it.

Now with one branch controlled by Republicans suddenly it's compromise and flexibility which everyone is screaming about.

in private matters go ahead and compromise until your hearts content if you feel so strongly about it. but sometimes bad ideas must be defeated, not accepted in some watered down compromise solution and you will never defeat them if you're always looking for the middleground.

Tom

07-09-2011, 04:21 PM

It is explanatory to me - libs will always compromise their principles.
Weak willed and spineless.

Dick Schmidt

07-09-2011, 07:09 PM

Strange how different times see different things. While he was laid up back in the 50's, John F. Kennedy wrote a book called Profiles in Courage about this very subject. He praised senators who stood up for their beliefs even though they knew they were unpopular back home and would surely get them defeated in the next election. Kennedy and most of his readers thought they were heroes for standing up for what they believed and not buckling under to popular pressure.

The whole idea behind representative government is to elect the "best and brightest" and then have them follow their conscience. Compromise is how government gets through the day, but when it comes to serious moral issues, it is a slow death. We compromised for 50 years over slavery, and three generations were bought and sold. The British and French tried to compromise with Hitler, and how did that work out? There must come a time when any member of congress should stand up and say what he/she believes, knowing that it spells defeat in the next election. A profile in courage indeed.

Dick

Freedom is never more than onegeneration away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do thesame.

HUSKER55

07-09-2011, 07:20 PM

THAT went right past a lot of people but you are correct!

bigmack

07-09-2011, 08:43 PM

Funny-you get on Hcap for spelling....meanwhile, you dont even know the difference between "appraise" and "apprise"....the "a" that you added isnt close to the "i" on my keyboard so that doesnt look good as an excuse for ya.
Much obliged. Thanks for following my posts with eager interest. Wanna go steady?

Tom

07-09-2011, 11:28 PM

Good post, Dick~!

The words from that are very disturbing these days:

Best
Brightest
Conscience

Our form of government is doomed if we rely on any these thing today.

PaceAdvantage

07-10-2011, 12:17 AM

I an now legally blind. Slows me down. Sometimes I have trouble spelling. Dealing with it Very sorry to hear this hcap...

hcap

07-10-2011, 08:13 AM

Very sorry to hear this hcap...Thanks Mike. Main reason I am not quite as involved here as I used to be.

HUSKER55

07-10-2011, 08:19 AM

SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT AS WELL HCAP.

Hope progress is made and you can get "repaired". :)

GL

Tom

07-10-2011, 09:09 AM

Thanks Mike. Main reason I am not quite as involved here as I used to be.

I thought you might be having the surgery...sorry to hear.
Keep the positive attitude...:ThmbUp:

ElKabong

07-10-2011, 11:25 AM

Hcap,

Best wishes for your eyesight to get better, and soon,

hcap

07-10-2011, 11:36 AM

Thanks guys. Much appreciated

johnhannibalsmith

07-10-2011, 02:35 PM

Belatedly - get better and keep the spirit and remain a contributor. Even when you drive me batty, I still prefer it to when you go silent. :cool:

Rookies

07-10-2011, 03:55 PM

hcap

07-10-2011, 04:19 PM

On occasion, those of us on the correct side of the equation ;) , will jump in to assist you, but only if it's about 10-1 for the bad guys! No real Lefty needs his fellow travellers to assist in the defeat of the forces of evil...:lol:

Seriously, stay with us! Never ending twists and turns ici.:ThmbUp:
Thanks Rookies.

Somehow I don't believe John Kennedy's Profiles in Courage was referring to screwing up SS and Medicare, diminishing support for the working poor, or drastically cutting taxes to what the Rethugs want. Tax rates less than 1/2 of what they were when Kennedy was President-after he HAD already cut them.

I also don't believe Profiles in Courage was referring to the courage of hedge funders, Exxon Mobilers or right wing fundamentalists.

I may not be able to see my computer screen that well, but the obvious cronyism of the rethugs is PLAIN to see.

bigmack

07-10-2011, 04:38 PM

I also don't believe Profiles in Courage was referring to the courage of hedge funders, Exxon Mobilers or right wing fundamentalists..
This ain't a trailer park where people buy into wives' tales like R's being the party of the rich.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/partyoftherich.png
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219081/party-rich/peter-schweizer

________________________

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/eyechART.png

boxcar

07-10-2011, 04:55 PM

hcap

07-10-2011, 05:14 PM

Very sorry to hear of your eye troubles, 'cap. That can't be fun.

I surely hope your problem is treatable and that improvement is on the near horizon for you. I'll be keeping you in my prayers.

BoxcarThanks Box. I will recover some sight. And have.

A series of treatments are needed. Outcome is still not definite as to how much will be restored.

hcap

07-10-2011, 05:19 PM

________________________

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/eyechART.png
So maybe I can't spell, but at least I can still do punctuation ;)

Tom

07-10-2011, 05:25 PM

Hey, spelling isn't all it's crucked up to be.:D

hcap

07-10-2011, 05:43 PM

This ain't a trailer park where people buy into wives' tales like R's being the party of the rich.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/partyoftherich.png
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219081/party-rich/peter-schweizer

So you use an article from the
http://c5.nrostatic.com/images/logo_test_2010_FF1.jpg

Well given that it basically spins it your way and I am sure If I wanted to spin the facts my way

I could just as easily.

To keep it on a more direct evidential plane.
Why pray tell were the Bush Tax Cuts rammed thru the Congress by the little Daddy Warbucks-the rethugs-acting as standins for their billionaire Bigger Daddy Warbucks?

And continue to shill for same Big monied interests today? Undoubtedly causing the stalemate over the debt ceiling?

Ideologues, thy name is Republican

hcap

07-10-2011, 05:45 PM

Hey, spelling isn't all it's crucked up to be.:D
Ain't that the trute.

bigmack

07-10-2011, 05:49 PM

To keep it on a more direct evidential plane.
Why pray tell were the Bush Tax Cuts rammed thru the Congress by the little Daddy Warbucks-the rethugs-acting as standins for their billionaire Bigger Daddy Warbucks?
Don't be silly. You know, and I know and the American people know that John & Jane Q. Middleclass gained just as much from the BT-Cuts.

This portrayal of the rich being heavily R is hogwash and you know it.

Makes for a catchy, class warfare slogan, but it's a steaming load.

hcap

07-10-2011, 06:09 PM

Don't you ever get tired being wrong?

The Bush tax plan vs. the Obama tax plan in one chart

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/assets_c/2010/08/GR2010081106717-thumb-454x592-23659.gif

And.....

Charts: Bush Era Tax Cuts for the Wealthy vs. Obama Tax Plan
http://indiedesign.typepad.com/2010_images/political_ruminations_2010/stats-charts/bush-era-tax-cuts-vs-obama-tax-plan.gif

.................................................. ..................

CHART: Without The Bush Tax Cuts, The Debt Would Be At Sustainable Levels

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/debtnobush0607.png

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/280288/TAX-CUTS-DEBT.jpg

hcap

07-10-2011, 06:18 PM

The Economist, a conservative publication, had a fascinating editorial this week, explaining that Republicans are creating a crisis, on purpose, for no reason. The United States has a manageable debt, low interest rates, low inflation, and the ability to borrow on the cheap. But because right-wing extremists are chiseling away at our political system, we’re quickly approaching a point of no return.

The sticking-point is not on the spending side. It is because the vast majority of Republicans, driven on by the wilder-eyed members of their party and the cacophony of conservative media, are clinging to the position that not a single cent of deficit reduction must come from a higher tax take. This is economically illiterate and disgracefully cynical.

This newspaper has a strong dislike of big government; we have long argued that the main way to right America’s finances is through spending cuts. But you cannot get there without any tax rises. In Britain, for instance, the coalition government aims to tame its deficit with a 3:1 ratio of cuts to hikes. America’s tax take is at its lowest level for decades: even Ronald Reagan raised taxes when he needed to do so.

And the closer you look, the more unprincipled the Republicans look…. Both parties have in recent months been guilty of fiscal recklessness. Right now, though, the blame falls clearly on the Republicans.

http://www.economist.com/node/18928600?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ar/shameonthem

bigmack

07-10-2011, 08:07 PM

Without The Bush Tax Cuts, The Debt Would Be At Sustainable Levels
Have you gone completely crackers? That is wholesale balderdash.

Rookies

07-10-2011, 08:25 PM

Too bad 'News (no longer) of the World' didn't publish that, as they await thousands of charges of illegal eavesdropping and phone tapping.

But, the Big Faux has bigger fish to fry- HIMSELF! :lol:

bigmack

07-10-2011, 08:47 PM

Too bad 'News (no longer) of the World' didn't publish that, as they await thousands of charges of illegal eavesdropping and phone tapping.

Keep us posted on that captivating story.

I get a bang outta little kids that play into the whole Cheney is the devil, Rove is evil, Murdoch is nefarious, etc. Speaks volumes.

I have a cousin that was an editor for the WSJournal. He quit because Murdoch bought it.

Don't look now, Rook. Boo! :eek:

Rookies

07-10-2011, 08:54 PM

Keep us posted on that captivating story.

I get a bang outta little kids that play into the whole Cheney is the devil, Rove is evil, Murdoch is nefarious, etc. Speaks volumes.

I have a cousin that was an editor for the WSJournal. He quit because Murdoch bought it.

Don't look now, Rook. Boo! :eek:

You were the one, as usual, that poo-poohed this as minor league chatter. :rolleyes: A newspaper that lasted 168 YEARS falls, a mega billion dollar deal is about to fall and hundreds of criminal charges may be laid up to and including Murdoch.

But carrry on, in your normal see-no-evil fantasy world, will ya ? :jump:

bigmack

07-10-2011, 09:02 PM

You were the one, as usual, that poo-poohed this as minor league chatter. :rolleyes: A newspaper that lasted 168 YEARS falls, a mega billion dollar deal is about to fall and hundreds of criminal charges may be laid up to and including Murdoch.

But carrry on, in your normal see-no-evil fantasy world, will ya ? :jump:
You want me to see evil? :lol:

Give me a reason to give a rats ass about some rag in the UK. Face it, you don't give a shit either, you've just got some Rupurt lodged in your keister.

Give it time. It'll wane. :ThmbUp:

toetoe

07-10-2011, 10:27 PM

E ain't even close to an A on my keyboard.

'12 doesn't look good for your kind, Chum.

Look on the bright side. You work best when you "fight the power."

With all due respect ...

:lol: .

falconridge

07-11-2011, 01:13 AM

Very sorry to hear of your eye troubles, 'cap. That can't be fun.

I surely hope your problem is treatable and that improvement is on the near horizon for you. I'll be keeping you in my prayers.

Boxcar
Spoken like a gentleman. :ThmbUp:

The same goes, of course, for Tom's and PA's benedictions. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

hcap,

Over the next few weeks, my wife will have cataracts removed from both her eyes, and then undergo a much more probing series of tests--and possibly exploratory surgery--to determine if the mini-strokes she suffered five years ago caused any permanent damage to her vision. She remained mum (she's also a grandmum, five times over) about the affliction until only a couple of weeks ago, when her primary care physician (and mine host) finally prevailed upon her to make--and keep!--an appointment with her ophthalmologist. The basic vision test revealed that she's blind as a bat in her left eye; I think she even misread the uppermost big E. I pray she hasn't waited too long.

Here's hoping that you, too, receive all the treatment necessary to keep your own keenly discerning peepers as sharp and clear as they can be.

Stay in touch, won't you? :)

hcap

07-11-2011, 07:46 AM

'E", so that s what's at top?

Never wore glasses until about 1 year ago.
Sometimes what is taken for a given is so rudely pulled out from under your feet. Upsets the "hey I'm still 20 and invulnerable" apple cart. And then of course you hit like a ton of bricks. (still denying the warning signs all the way down)

Thanks falconridge. I understand what your wife is facing. Tell her though the advances made in Ophthalmology over the last 10 years are absolutely amazing. When I began my treatments I asked my specialist (after being floored by the hi-tech retinal imaging procedures) "what could you have done 10 years ago without these machines"? Answer: "in your case very little and you would have 1/10 the the chance of being able to see again". Granted the fonts are set quite large on my machine, but the fact that I can write this paragraph-with only a few errors ;) ;) -pretty much attests to the advances in medical science

All my best and thanks again

Tom

07-11-2011, 09:55 AM

In spite of our OT battles, hcap is a very nice person and has helped a lot of people on the board through PMS and emails.

We have to make sure we never let our "virtual wars" creep into the real world.

Imagine rake fighting at Toga!

bigmack

07-11-2011, 02:25 PM

People assume hcap & I detest each other. On the contrary, I think he's a mensch. Well, maybe mensch is a bit thick. :rolleyes:

He may be loony as a bat on some...Scratch that, most subjects, but I could easily sit down and dine with the loon without incident.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/mebaby-1.jpg
Mackalopolus