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SoCalCircuit
07-08-2011, 03:02 AM
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/urine-trouble-woolley-admits-to-prairie-meadows-indiscretion/ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

CryingForTheHorses
07-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Class act this guy is,Couldnt he find a bathroom...Guess you can take the boy from the country but you cant take the country from the boy...Lets hope he gets housebroken...

Bruddah
07-08-2011, 11:05 AM
Class act this guy is,Couldnt he find a bathroom...Guess you can take the boy from the country but you cant take the country from the boy...Lets hope he gets housebroken...

He said he and the folks at Prarie Meadows had the situation worked out. I hope they gave him a mop and bucket and told him to go and CLEAN IT UP BOY!

onefast99
07-08-2011, 01:20 PM
“Was nobody who actually seen it,” Woolley said of the incident.

I'm sure it will be on youtube soon!

Hanover1
07-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Paulick once again demonstrates his tireless efforts to promote our sport with yet another positive spin. This WAS newsworthy :rolleyes:

FenceBored
07-08-2011, 02:15 PM
When does the lab report come back?

Milkshaker
07-08-2011, 03:22 PM
"Paulick once again demonstrates his tireless efforts to promote our sport with yet another positive spin. This WAS newsworthy."

Ray Paulick is not obligated to promote the sport. He reports on it.

Chip Woolley, on the other hand, DOES have an obligation to promote and even act as an ambassador for the sport. Winning the Kentucky Derby brought him a great deal of prestige and widespread positive publicity. He has benefited both professionally and personally from his enhanced status as a longshot cowboy who won America's most famous horse race.

If Woolley doesn't want to be a role model, fine. But at the very least, he should be able to refrain from pissing in public at a licensed racetrack. That's not too much to ask under the "giving something back to the game" category.

And if he can't adhere to even the most minimum of standards, then Woolley deserves to have that story made public. If you are a public figure who acts like a jerk, you should expect your name in the headlines.

Hanover1
07-08-2011, 06:49 PM
"Paulick once again demonstrates his tireless efforts to promote our sport with yet another positive spin. This WAS newsworthy."

Ray Paulick is not obligated to promote the sport. He reports on it.

Chip Woolley, on the other hand, DOES have an obligation to promote and even act as an ambassador for the sport. Winning the Kentucky Derby brought him a great deal of prestige and widespread positive publicity. He has benefited both professionally and personally from his enhanced status as a longshot cowboy who won America's most famous horse race.

If Woolley doesn't want to be a role model, fine. But at the very least, he should be able to refrain from pissing in public at a licensed racetrack. That's not too much to ask under the "giving something back to the game" category.

And if he can't adhere to even the most minimum of standards, then Woolley deserves to have that story made public. If you are a public figure who acts like a jerk, you should expect your name in the headlines.

So if I ran 2nd in the Derby I only have to be polite and proper once in a while? Paulick "reported" an important story for everyone to digest. We all needed to know this :rolleyes: Wolley owes nobody a thing, except an honest days work to his bosses and loyalty to his family. He owes you nothing-he owes me nothing. Why all these other people?
As a person who is read by other folks in the industry, Paulick bears much more responsibility that does Woolley. How many folks reach Woolley every day to get information vs Paulick? This is an easy one here.......if junk journalism is your bag, read on. Somehow I expect you may still consider this a classy article.

JustRalph
07-08-2011, 09:26 PM
I am guessing a few shots of Jack Daniels were involved in this incident

Hanover1
07-08-2011, 09:42 PM
On the harness side we had a guy who was much closer to a slot, as in the coin tray....he was barred from the sport for a few years. Not sure it got a whole lot of press, and rightfully so. Enough issues of serious nature out there to focus on rather than a drunken incident (in the harness guys situation...). I would hope we enjoy reading articles that pass along information we can use, as opposed stuff like this. Paulick has penned some good stuff, but this was worse than a slow day at the office.....

thaskalos
07-08-2011, 09:50 PM
So if I ran 2nd in the Derby I only have to be polite and proper once in a while? Paulick "reported" an important story for everyone to digest. We all needed to know this :rolleyes: Wolley owes nobody a thing, except an honest days work to his bosses and loyalty to his family. He owes you nothing-he owes me nothing. Why all these other people?
As a person who is read by other folks in the industry, Paulick bears much more responsibility that does Woolley. How many folks reach Woolley every day to get information vs Paulick? This is an easy one here.......if junk journalism is your bag, read on. Somehow I expect you may still consider this a classy article.
I don't know...there doesn't seem to be an overabundance of news to report lately in this game; the Woolley story was a nice change of pace as far as I am concerned.

And, while I agree with you completely on your comment that Woolley doesn't owe us a thing...I must add that asking a public figure to refrain from urinating on the floor of a casino doesn't seem like much of a demand.

But in his defense...it must be noted that he DID promise never to do it again....

Hanover1
07-08-2011, 10:01 PM
I don't know...there doesn't seem to be an overabundance of news to report lately in this game; the Woolley story was a nice change of pace as far as I am concerned.

And, while I agree with you completely on your comment that Woolley doesn't owe us a thing...I must add that asking a public figure to refrain from urinating on the floor of a casino doesn't seem like much of a demand.

But in his defense...it must be noted that he DID promise never to do it again....

I believe the guy is sincere, he sure appeared genuine during his national exposure (take that as you wish here..lol}. However the harness guy could not be depended on not to repeat, hence the ban. Asking anyone to refrain from that behavior is not asking them for anything as well.....

PaceAdvantage
07-09-2011, 11:29 PM
Once again, Hanover1 is looking for unflattering or negative news to be swept under the rug. I'm sensing a pattern here...

You would have fit right in with Pravda back in its heyday (1912-1991).

rrpic6
07-10-2011, 06:17 AM
I did not witness any bad behavior first hand, however, I did hear some stories about Wooley's drinking and antics at Mountaineer Park the week of the 2009 West Virginia Derby. I think he had a few mint juleps in him too when he got interviewed right after Mine That Bird won the Ky. Derby.

RR

Hanover1
07-10-2011, 06:30 PM
Once again, Hanover1 is looking for unflattering or negative news to be swept under the rug. I'm sensing a pattern here...

You would have fit right in with Pravda back in its heyday (1912-1991).

Once again PA is diagnosing poster intent, and seeing things as well. Spend yet more time digging up crap....good job by all here. Lets just be sure to bookmark this site for anything derogatory we might want to read about-PA wants it that way. Next time you take a piss be sure to post where it occured. Many thanks once again for the singular attention.
PA, go play with someone else, I am not in need of your attentions, nor is anyone else.

point given
07-10-2011, 07:10 PM
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/urine-trouble-woolley-admits-to-prairie-meadows-indiscretion/ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't think this is what Stronach had in mind when he installed the horse whizzers at his casinos.

Can there be a possible whiz off between Woolley and Piesen in the future :eek: :lol:

PaceAdvantage
07-11-2011, 09:04 PM
Once again PA is diagnosing poster intent, and seeing things as well. Spend yet more time digging up crap....good job by all here. Lets just be sure to bookmark this site for anything derogatory we might want to read about-PA wants it that way. Next time you take a piss be sure to post where it occured. Many thanks once again for the singular attention.
PA, go play with someone else, I am not in need of your attentions, nor is anyone else.It's nothing personal. Not sure why you are taking it as such.

I just would like to understand why you think that when a trainer of a Kentucky Derby winner, who was in the media spotlight for quite sometime, takes a piss in the middle of a CASINO FLOOR, it's not newsworthy?

What exactly is newsworthy to you? Take off the rose colored glasses man...that's why horse racing is in trouble to begin with.

Hanover1
07-12-2011, 03:26 PM
It's nothing personal. Not sure why you are taking it as such.

I just would like to understand why you think that when a trainer of a Kentucky Derby winner, who was in the media spotlight for quite sometime, takes a piss in the middle of a CASINO FLOOR, it's not newsworthy?

What exactly is newsworthy to you? Take off the rose colored glasses man...that's why horse racing is in trouble to begin with.

A public poll within an unbiased media (good luck with that...) would indeed bear out that noone is really interested where Mr Woolley relieves himself. Please......Just look at how tasteful the thread title is....
As for my perception that your previous was personal, the content speaks for itself. Detecting "a pattern" in MY opinions is a singular observation you felt was newsworthy enough to share with everyone. It was far from an impartial observation as a moderator. And now, my "rose colored glasses" are the reason why horseracing is in trouble to begin with. Personal? You decide folks.....
Some of us prefer to talk about the good things and some prefer the bad things. Whats wrong with either take on this? I comment on what sparks my interest, and I find it interesting that so many folks find where Woolley takes a whizz newsworthy. Certainly not tasteful, or helpful to the sport in any way. Take it up with Woolley in person, or rejoice in his indiscretion with a public forum soliciting comments, while bashing those that don't see things your way. I see a pattern here.......

Hanover1
07-12-2011, 03:33 PM
It's nothing personal. Not sure why you are taking it as such.

I just would like to understand why you think that when a trainer of a Kentucky Derby winner, who was in the media spotlight for quite sometime, takes a piss in the middle of a CASINO FLOOR, it's not newsworthy?

What exactly is newsworthy to you? Take off the rose colored glasses man...that's why horse racing is in trouble to begin with.

Its nothing personal. Not sure why you are taking it as such? I guess my name was the tip....Who was the post about? Or was it a general statement you felt my name looked good with? In order to stay on topic here, I will add this: Nothing like getting pissed on, then the dude tells you its raining.

FenceBored
07-12-2011, 04:03 PM
A public poll within an unbiased media (good luck with that...) would indeed bear out that noone is really interested where Mr Woolley relieves himself. Please......Just look at how tasteful the thread title is....
As for my perception that your previous was personal, the content speaks for itself. Detecting "a pattern" in MY opinions is a singular observation you felt was newsworthy enough to share with everyone. It was far from an impartial observation as a moderator. And now, my "rose colored glasses" are the reason why horseracing is in trouble to begin with. Personal? You decide folks.....
Some of us prefer to talk about the good things and some prefer the bad things. Whats wrong with either take on this? I comment on what sparks my interest, and I find it interesting that so many folks find where Woolley takes a whizz newsworthy. Certainly not tasteful, or helpful to the sport in any way. Take it up with Woolley in person, or rejoice in his indiscretion with a public forum soliciting comments, while bashing those that don't see things your way. I see a pattern here.......

So, only "helpful" things should be considered "newsworthy." How doesn't that indicate a desire to sweep 'unhelpful' things under a rug?

Relwob Owner
07-12-2011, 05:14 PM
Its nothing personal. Not sure why you are taking it as such? I guess my name was the tip....Who was the post about? Or was it a general statement you felt my name looked good with? In order to stay on topic here, I will add this: Nothing like getting pissed on, then the dude tells you its raining.


Couple of things I have noticed here, Hanover. First, with regards to the article, I definitely think it was newsworthy. Not at all flattering, but newsworthy. At the very least, I would think that current or potential future owners are glad it was news, as they cant be too impressed/happy with his actions.

Next, I see how you think PA is singling you out. Here is a way to look at it and maybe it will help put it in context. It is pretty clear that PA is more than a moderator on here and that is known once you have been here for a while(took me a while to learn as well, like some other things on here). So, I dont think he is singling you out at all, as he disagrees with many on here, not just you and takes on the role of moderator and of a "regular" poster.

I respect your opinion and I am sure others do and just thought/hoped my perspective of some things you have noted on this thread might be of value.

PaceAdvantage
07-12-2011, 05:21 PM
Gee thanks Relwob for explaining me... :lol:

Relwob Owner
07-12-2011, 05:32 PM
Gee thanks Relwob for explaining me... :lol:


sorry if I I butted in!

PaceAdvantage
07-12-2011, 05:35 PM
sorry if I I butted in!No need to apologize...that's what it's here for...

Grits
07-12-2011, 05:43 PM
Gee thanks Relwob for explaining me... :lol:

You jus' so transparent; I hope you never run for public office. You'd get buried.:lol:

Relwob Owner
07-12-2011, 05:53 PM
No need to apologize...that's what it's here for...


Got it ;)

pktruckdriver
07-12-2011, 06:48 PM
Not newsworthy :eek::eek:

His actions are ridiculous, and yes this should be reported here, but not if I did this, okay.

the story came from the Paulick Report and made it to Bossman's awesome forum, where in my opinion it should have gone, this site is the best, and keeps getting better everyday, heck even I can get things heated up once in a while, right? But it almost always concerns horse racing, and everything and everyone to do with horse racing, and this guys fits into that, he won the KY derby for God's sake...could anyone of us done this, not me


Did he use a container like us truckers do, or just go on the carpet or floor?


Really poor behavior from a KY Derby winning Trainer, but then we are all human, right, and we all do something we regret, sometimes it gets made public other times it is not, too bad this time it is public.


Can you see a public service announcement in his future, lol.


patrick

Hanover1
07-12-2011, 09:11 PM
So, only "helpful" things should be considered "newsworthy." How doesn't that indicate a desire to sweep 'unhelpful' things under a rug?

Another case of dictating what you determine are facts to fit your assumption that I want to "sweep things under the rug". Please post where I EVER stated that I wanted ANYTHING swept under the rug, to clarify for those unsure if what I am accused of. My comments deride the quality of what many determine is newsworthy, and was never a request/demand to sweep ANYTHING under any rug.....get off the bandwagon Board....you have tried this before, and you look just as foolish this time. You have no dog in this fight, yet chose to pipe in, again..........I see a pattern.

thaskalos
07-12-2011, 09:48 PM
It is pretty clear that PA is more than a moderator on here and that is known once you have been here for a while(took me a while to learn as well, like some other things on here). So, I dont think he is singling you out at all, as he disagrees with many on here, not just you and takes on the role of moderator and of a "regular" poster.

Where have I been?

I never realized this...;)

saratoga guy
07-12-2011, 10:47 PM
I guess everyone might have a different idea of what constitutes "news".

There's "need to know", "want to know", and a more nebulous "eh, I guess that's kinda interesting, maybe...".

We can all agree on the newsworthiness of some topics, ex, war, the local school board meeting, a drop in stock prices, etc.

But on that nebulous other end of the spectrum newsworthiness becomes a lot more subjective.

In this particular case I think this story is entertainment masquerading as news. And entertainment of the worst kind - at someone else's expense. Something akin to those "Worst Beach Body" issues of the magazines sold at supermarket check-out counters.

I think the intent of the piece -- ie, having a laugh at the guy -- was exposed first by the article's headline -- which was actually a punchline, and second by the use of the grammatically incorrect quote.

A writer is making conscious choices the whole time a piece is being written -- and particularly when choosing to include a quote, or simply to paraphrase. To insert the grammatically incorrect quote seems to have no other intent than to add to the guy's embarrassment by making him look like a yokel.

The piece - particularly the tone - seemed a little sleazy to me.

Relwob Owner
07-12-2011, 11:14 PM
Where have I been?

I never realized this...;)

Yeah, pretty obvious thought on my part but after HO said something PA observed was "far from an impartial observation as a moderator", I thought he needed to have it pointed out since he thought he was getting singled out.....

PaceAdvantage
07-13-2011, 01:52 AM
I believe my official title is Administrator. Not moderator.

There's a difference... :lol:

FenceBored
07-13-2011, 12:52 PM
Another case of dictating what you determine are facts to fit your assumption that I want to "sweep things under the rug". Please post where I EVER stated that I wanted ANYTHING swept under the rug, to clarify for those unsure if what I am accused of. My comments deride the quality of what many determine is newsworthy, and was never a request/demand to sweep ANYTHING under any rug.....get off the bandwagon Board....you have tried this before, and you look just as foolish this time. You have no dog in this fight, yet chose to pipe in, again..........I see a pattern.

[Hanover1]Paulick once again demonstrates his tireless efforts to promote our sport with yet another positive spin. This WAS newsworthy :rolleyes:

See, here we go with the initial and obvious example. Paulick's job is not "to promote our sport." His job is to report on our sport. The fact that you even think his job is promotion demonstrates your desire to massage the news to achieve a particular end. And the clear implication of your sarcastic "yet another positive spin. This WAS newsworthy." is to imply that negative stories that do not provide "positive spin" are not newsworthy, i.e. shouldn't be reported.

[Hanover1]
On the harness side we had a guy who was much closer to a slot, as in the coin tray....he was barred from the sport for a few years. Not sure it got a whole lot of press, and rightfully so. Enough issues of serious nature out there to focus on rather than a drunken incident (in the harness guys situation...). I would hope we enjoy reading articles that pass along information we can use, as opposed stuff like this. Paulick has penned some good stuff, but this was worse than a slow day at the office.....
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A) Not something of a "serious nature" = shouldn't get "a whole lot of press".
B) Not information we can use = waste of space.

Well, I don't know about you, but I can certainly use the information that someone has a tendency to piss in the coin tray. Gives me yet another reason not to play the slots.

Let's try another one.
[Hanover1]
So if I ran 2nd in the Derby I only have to be polite and proper once in a while? Paulick "reported" an important story for everyone to digest. We all needed to know this :rolleyes: Wolley owes nobody a thing, except an honest days work to his bosses and loyalty to his family. He owes you nothing-he owes me nothing. Why all these other people?
As a person who is read by other folks in the industry, Paulick bears much more responsibility that does Woolley. How many folks reach Woolley every day to get information vs Paulick? This is an easy one here.......if junk journalism is your bag, read on. Somehow I expect you may still consider this a classy article.
Say what? If Ray were to step up and pee on the side of the auctioneers stand in the middle of Keeneland's September Yearling Sale, would that be better or worse than reporting on Wooley's transgression? Rational minds say "worse."

But frankly, there is an issue of a more serious nature that hasn't been touched on here. If Chip Riley, the farmhand from central Iowa were do to what Chip Wooley did he wouldn't be allowed back onto the grounds quite so quickly. If Chip Jones, a PM blackjack dealer, did it on his night off he'd find himself with a lot of nights off. What Prarie Meadows is doing is covering up for a 'celebrity' due to the 'positive spin' press they feel they can get having a "Derby winning trainer" on their backside all meet. And you seem to be right up on that bandwagon beating the bass drum. Is this really the way to generate legitimate positive appeal for racing?

I can see the campaign now:
"Come on down to the track and watch the trainers pee everywhere but the bathroom and the management laugh it off with a hearty 'nothing to see here folks.'"
That's some postive spin for you.

CryingForTheHorses
07-13-2011, 05:26 PM
Not newsworthy :eek::eek:

His actions are ridiculous, and yes this should be reported here, but not if I did this, okay.

the story came from the Paulick Report and made it to Bossman's awesome forum, where in my opinion it should have gone, this site is the best, and keeps getting better everyday, heck even I can get things heated up once in a while, right? But it almost always concerns horse racing, and everything and everyone to do with horse racing, and this guys fits into that, he won the KY derby for God's sake...could anyone of us done this, not me


Did he use a container like us truckers do, or just go on the carpet or floor?


Really poor behavior from a KY Derby winning Trainer, but then we are all human, right, and we all do something we regret, sometimes it gets made public other times it is not, too bad this time it is public.


Can you see a public service announcement in his future, lol.


patrick


Good post...This man went from being the guy who won the kentcky derby to now being know as the guy who pi**ed in the casino and got caught.!!...I envied this guy walking on crutches to saddle his horse,Seemed like a all american "good ole boy"...Wins the derby and becomes a hero!!..Makes you think what owners wonder about the internel workings of this guy.If this was me I would be ejected off the grounds..Just like the person that was caught crapping in the bushes beside the grandstand here at Calder...WHAT are these people thinking.Kind of hard to respect them.

saratoga guy
07-14-2011, 01:11 AM
Well, I don't know about you, but I can certainly use the information...

You're ramping this up to the level of a must-know piece of news by using a bunch of straw-man what-ifs.

As I said earlier, I guess everyone has their own defintion of "news" - but it's hard to elevate this beyond entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash news. The kind you see in supermarket tabloids.

The guy did something that was incredibly stupid and totally embarrassing - but ultimately it didn't have a negative effect on anyone other than himself.

It's hard to claim then that we all would have been missing something if this story went unreported.

pktruckdriver
07-14-2011, 03:58 AM
You're ramping this up to the level of a must-know piece of news by using a bunch of straw-man what-ifs.

As I said earlier, I guess everyone has their own defintion of "news" - but it's hard to elevate this beyond entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash news. The kind you see in supermarket tabloids.

The guy did something that was incredibly stupid and totally embarrassing - but ultimately it didn't have a negative effect on anyone other than himself.

It's hard to claim then that we all would have been missing something if this story went unreported.


What about the people who had to clean it up, they were affected by this stupid act, did the slot machine take all his money and he went nuts a p---d on it for revenge, not sure, sounded like he went on the carpet next to the machine in the middle of the casino, please, Chip have some sense.


patrick

PaceAdvantage
07-14-2011, 04:00 AM
The guy did something that was incredibly stupid and totally embarrassing - but ultimately it didn't have a negative effect on anyone other than himself.Try telling that to the poor rug.

saratoga guy
07-14-2011, 04:15 AM
What about the people who had to clean it up, they were affected by this stupid act


You know, I almost added in parantheses "except, of course, for the guy who had to mop the floor" -- but I figured that was kind of a given, and besides, does that really mitigate my point?

saratoga guy
07-14-2011, 04:17 AM
Try telling that to the poor rug.

Well, at least he.. she.. er, it, can take solace in being in the good company of just about every public swimming pool in the country.

FenceBored
07-14-2011, 11:53 AM
You're ramping this up to the level of a must-know piece of news by using a bunch of straw-man what-ifs.

As I said earlier, I guess everyone has their own defintion of "news" - but it's hard to elevate this beyond entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash news. The kind you see in supermarket tabloids.

The guy did something that was incredibly stupid and totally embarrassing - but ultimately it didn't have a negative effect on anyone other than himself.

It's hard to claim then that we all would have been missing something if this story went unreported.

There are levels between "entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash" news and "must know" news. There must be, cause this doesn't fit in either of these two categories. But, if you insist on the strawman argument that there are only two categories ...

saratoga guy
07-14-2011, 05:24 PM
There are levels between "entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash" news and "must know" news... But, if you insist on the strawman argument that there are only two categories ...

Yikes - that seems like a straw man argument itself - since it's hard to interpret my post as saying there are "only two categories", particularly since just five posts earlier I said there was a whole spectrum of newsworthiness.

But, we could go on like this all day... The premise of the discussion is: Was the piece that was the topic of this thread really newsworthy?

By talking about things being swept under the rug and mentioning a possible cover-up, it seems that you've ramped it up to a need-to-know issue that is definitely newsworthy.

I disagree. I think it's hard to defend the newsworthiness of the piece - particularly given the way it was written.

But again - everyone has their own definition of 'news', especially at the 'entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash news' end of the spectrum -- which is where I think this belongs.

Relwob Owner
07-14-2011, 05:32 PM
I believe my official title is Administrator. Not moderator.

There's a difference... :lol:


Agreed.....if HO realized this, he would see he isn't getting singled out.

Back to the topic of if it was newsworthy, I don't think there is a doubt it was.

FenceBored
07-14-2011, 07:05 PM
Yikes - that seems like a straw man argument itself - since it's hard to interpret my post as saying there are "only two categories", particularly since just five posts earlier I said there was a whole spectrum of newsworthiness.


Humorless, aren't we?


But, we could go on like this all day... The premise of the discussion is: Was the piece that was the topic of this thread really newsworthy?

By talking about things being swept under the rug and mentioning a possible cover-up, it seems that you've ramped it up to a need-to-know issue that is definitely newsworthy.


I'm not saying there's a need-to-know, I'm saying there isn't a need-not-to-know. That's how I read Hanover1's position (as did PA based upon his response). That's what I was responding to.


I disagree. I think it's hard to defend the newsworthiness of the piece - particularly given the way it was written.


Don't read many small town newspapers or trade newletters, do you? Seems like a fairly typical deprecating style in an embarassing anecdote type story. Seen it a million times, will see it a million more.


But again - everyone has their own definition of 'news', especially at the 'entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash news' end of the spectrum -- which is where I think this belongs.

A trainer at a racino gets himself banned temporarily from the "casino premises" (unclear to me if that's just the casino proper or includes the track and the backside) for urinating in a public area near a slot machine. How specifically isn't this newsworthy?

Did an arrest need to occur?

Pretend that he was drunk. The article doesn't say how he got home, but let's say he drove himself. Had he been stopped and hauled in on a DUI charge would that be newsworthy in your mind (assuming that there wasn't an accident/injury involved [as I can't imagine anyone thinking an injury accident isn't newsworthy])?

saratoga guy
07-15-2011, 12:37 AM
I'm not saying there's a need-to-know, I'm saying there isn't a need-not-to-know.

We could keep hamering away -- but we simply disagree. I don't think that's going to change on this issue.

But - to defend my sense of humor (and I admit, if that 'straw man' accusation was a joke, I missed it) --

I ain't no English teacher, but aren't "need to know" and "not a need not to know" the same thing (double negative)?

FenceBored
07-15-2011, 07:50 AM
We could keep hamering away -- but we simply disagree. I don't think that's going to change on this issue.

But - to defend my sense of humor (and I admit, if that 'straw man' accusation was a joke, I missed it) --

I ain't no English teacher, but aren't "need to know" and "not a need not to know" the same thing (double negative)?

:D Nope, it's not even the colloquialism the first part of your sentence ('I am not no English teacher ...') expands out to.

Honest question: How is a promotion based upon the personal details of the lovelife of jockeys (as exemplified by the "Battle of the Exes") less 'entertainment-gossipish-snickering-trash' (i.e. more newsworthy) than a trainer getting (even temporarily) banned from a track-owned property for misbehavior?

Hanover1
07-15-2011, 12:42 PM
It is amazing that a vast majority of the comments posted after the article, support my stance regarding this piece, and without any reference to sweeping a damn thing under any rugs. Do you sweep dirt under rugs, or do you clean it up? Depends on what you consider dirt vs trash, actually. The comments after the piece speak in the same spirit I do/did on this item. It is a garbage piece, and hardly newsworthy. Please explain how it has affected your life and future behavior at the windows during your rebuttal please... Case closed you Honor, the defense rests......sweep that under your rug.

FenceBored
07-15-2011, 02:26 PM
It is amazing that a vast majority of the comments posted after the article, support my stance regarding this piece, and without any reference to sweeping a damn thing under any rugs. Do you sweep dirt under rugs, or do you clean it up? Depends on what you consider dirt vs trash, actually. The comments after the piece speak in the same spirit I do/did on this item. It is a garbage piece, and hardly newsworthy. Please explain how it has affected your life and future behavior at the windows during your rebuttal please... Case closed you Honor, the defense rests......sweep that under your rug.

:confused: Do you think if you just make stuff up that makes it real?

By my quick count only about 18 of the 75 comments could be construed as agreeing with you that Paulick shouldn't have run the story (somebody making a joke about it doesn't count - that's what my first comment in this thread was), hardly a "vast majority."

So there's no "reference to sweeping a damn thing under any rugs" from those that agree with you. There are certainly references to the idea that not publishing would be sweeping it under the rug.

How about If this would have been anybody else, they would have taken some sort of action, but because he won the KY Derby, they are taking it easy on him. I hope they (Prairie Meadows) remembers this the next time a horseman gets in trouble in the casino. -- comment #6 (http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/urine-trouble-woolley-admits-to-prairie-meadows-indiscretion/#PageComment_91190) (emphasis added)

or

Does any one think if a jockey or any other trainer pulls this stunt he is not going to be arrested, fined, or suspended?
-- comment #43 (http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/urine-trouble-woolley-admits-to-prairie-meadows-indiscretion/#PageComment_91359)

or (the case closer)
National attention? This is the only place I've seen the story and we race at Prairie Dog Town. None of our casual race fans have clue one about this site. ALSO racing needs to STOP sweeping bad press incidents under the carpet. You do that too often and you become NEBRASKA. Shine the light of day on it. -- comment #46 (http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/urine-trouble-woolley-admits-to-prairie-meadows-indiscretion/#PageComment_91384) (empasis added)

Don't trip on that lumpy carpet now.